Jawjackers

[JiggerMan]

Yup, racist discrimination...   We're just to cold for them.

I showed that to them in person and read it to them.  they stuck to that they were illegal. 
i think ruttnutt actually got a message from the owner of JJ saying that he also found out that they were illegal and suggested ways for us to try and change it. 

[RepGerg]

So I use Fincky Foolers that dead stick the bait and have a flag trip on the run no doubt all legal it’s a tip up for rods but of course they sell a kit to convert the device to a hook setter then if used that way illegal additionally I made “slammers” 25 years ago for pike and steelhead and recently putzed around and made coat hanger hook setters all illegal now, funny wardens have been standing next to me when a slammer trips and have commented how effective they are at catching fish.
Needs to be clarified much better mine are homemade.

[Chris338378]

It'd be interesting to see what the Guppy Cops would say if they saw someone using one that the person took off all the JawJacker stickers, painted them a different color, and put a sticker with a different name on it  such as Icerigger the DownRigger.  I'd be telling them that's not a JawJacker, look is a Icerigger the Downrigger.   

[saphireblue99]

So I can go deer hunting with a rifle, shotgun, pistol , flintlock, inline muzzleloader, bow and arrow , crossbow . Hunt  Coyote with an AK, bazooka basically anything. Get as many doe licences as I can get. Yet can['t use a basically primitive fishing device  that keeps fish from swallowing the hook that I am going to release anyway

[Chute82]

So I can go deer hunting with a rifle, shotgun, pistol , flintlock, inline muzzleloader, bow and arrow , crossbow . Hunt  Coyote with an AK, bazooka basically anything. Get as many doe licences as I can get. Yet can['t use a basically primitive fishing device  that keeps fish from swallowing the hook that I am going to release anyway

That’s why it’s  the commonwealth of PA and not the common sense

[Chris338378]

You're a million percent right there.  If it's something that'd be common sense there's not a snowball's chance in hell it'll happen or be done by the state.

[Spider1]

So I can go deer hunting with a rifle, shotgun, pistol , flintlock, inline muzzleloader, bow and arrow , crossbow . Hunt  Coyote with an AK, bazooka basically anything. Get as many doe licences as I can get. Yet can['t use a basically primitive fishing device  that keeps fish from swallowing the hook that I am going to release anyway

Yeeeeeesssss. Now yer getting the idea!

[RuttNutt]

So I can go deer hunting with a rifle, shotgun, pistol , flintlock, inline muzzleloader, bow and arrow , crossbow . Hunt  Coyote with an AK, bazooka basically anything. Get as many doe licences as I can get. Yet can['t use a basically primitive fishing device  that keeps fish from swallowing the hook that I am going to release anyway

Unfortunately...………………………………………………..

[JMZ]

If anyone gets a citation for using a self-hooking device in PA they should post it on tis site. We could band together and have a class action lawsuit. Otherwise I would not bother asking the fish commission. They may get a bug-up-their-ass and change the regulation. If I see a fish warden coming, I"m going to disengage the devices and tell him they are dead sticks.

Should we start a topic to post ONLY if you get harassed by PAFC or are given a citation?

[RuttNutt]

Yeah, just title it: "Harassed by the JawJacker Police!" 

[Peccavi18]

Anyone find out anything in the off season, about JawJackers /autosetters and legality?  Shopping for tip ups before they sell out and want to make sure I'm in the clear with the law.

[RuttNutt]

Nope. It sounds like the PF&BC is sticking to their opinion that they are illegal, even though nothing in the law says they are! 

So I altered my JawJackers in case I get checked by an officer! 

[jimhaney08]

I bought the Finicky Foolers to try this year based in part on this thread from last year.  Great info for everyone.  Many thanks to those who were in discussion with PFBC about the matter.

[clayboy]

They feel unfair advantage i figure. I also agree why is trolling legal? It hooks the fish?

[Icemole]

 Years back there was something listed in the book about devices that hooked the fish not being approved devices. It is no longer in the book, not sure when it disappeared but thinking when the book became a magazine with Ads.  Back in 2010 when JJ came out I asked the PFBC about them ... at that time I was told they were legal... Sadly I no longer have that E-mail. Not sure if it was lost when one of my older computers died or if I screwed up and deleted it.  I did a half hearted search of my old posts to see if I put it on one of them but no luck so far.... will keep looking.

[RuttNutt]

They feel unfair advantage i figure. I also agree why is trolling legal? It hooks the fish?

AMEN! 

[RuttNutt]

Years back there was something listed in the book about devices that hooked the fish not being approved devices. It is no longer in the book, not sure when it disappeared but thinking when the book became a magazine with Ads.  Back in 2010 when JJ came out I asked the PFBC about them ... at that time I was told they were legal... Sadly I no longer have that E-mail. Not sure if it was lost when one of my older computers died or if I screwed up and deleted it.  I did a half hearted search of my old posts to see if I put it on one of them but no luck so far.... will keep looking.

I doubt it would make any difference even if you had an old e-Mail from someone at the PF&BC.................. when I contacted them they were adamant that they were illegal. Would probably just claim that the person was wrong or the official position on the devices has changed..............o r some BS like that! 

[mschutter]

Who pays the Fish and Boat Commission? The fisherman do. So why are you guys complying to some bureaucrats wins? I not paying $60 per jawjackerwhen make 3 of them for that price. I hope the fish warden stops me and fines me. The warden has no law to stand on and I am win I will sue the Pennsylvania fish and Boat Commission in court for false arrest.  Stop acting like boot licking slaves.and start acting like free Americans. Man I can tell of you boys are boot licking Republicans. Free men don't boot lick some bureaucrat and they voted  Libertarian!

[gallitzinice]

Since this is going down hill fast, I'll help it on its way.

Me, I just hook the fish myself, like a man--don't need any help.   

[DrummerManDrew]

Who pays the Fish and Boat Commission? The fisherman do. So why are you guys complying to some bureaucrats wins? I not paying $60 per jawjackerwhen make 3 of them for that price. I hope the fish warden stops me and fines me. The warden has no law to stand on and I am win I will sue the Pennsylvania fish and Boat Commission in court for false arrest.  Stop acting like boot licking slaves.and start acting like free Americans. Man I can tell of you boys are boot licking Republicans. Free men don't boot lick some bureaucrat and they voted  Libertarian!

Mschutter - Alike you I have personal opinions of what political stance I take, but airing out some pretty direct opinion isn't what this forum is for. This forum is here to help all of us understand and learn more about what we like to do, what works, what helpful. Stating "Slaves, Republicans, Libertarian's"- That's not welcome here so keep that to your self and respect the other people on this forum. If that's too much to ask, your free to leave at anytime!

[zcm_82]

Since this is going down hill fast, I'll help it on its way.

Me, I just hook the fish myself, like a man--don't need any help.   

Same... 

[WALL E GATOR]

Fishing this last Saturday, had one jaw jacker hole produce 6 trout. Most were hooked in the upper lip, a couple enough that I had to use pliers to get the hook out. So far this was the best luck I have had with Jaw Jackers to date, was just the right day and right bait I guess. No problem using them here in Idaho, but hey its Idaho this is where they come from.

[DrummerManDrew]

Fishing this last Saturday, had one jaw jacker hole produce 6 trout. Most were hooked in the upper lip, a couple enough that I had to use pliers to get the hook out. So far this was the best luck I have had with Jaw Jackers to date, was just the right day and right bait I guess. No problem using them here in Idaho, but hey its Idaho this is where they come from.

Did you use just the original JJ setup or did you have the motorized jig attachment on them? I am leaning towards buying a couple of these next season. I've spent too much already tis year! 

[WALL E GATOR]

Did you use just the original JJ setup or did you have the motorized jig attachment on them? I am leaning towards buying a couple of these next season. I've spent too much already tis year! 

I have both 4 reg JJ and then 2 jiggin bases. I didn't have the auto jigger bases going Saturday. They work but require a bit more setup.

[BIGDEERHUNTER63]

When i pull the tip up out of the hole I decide when to set the hook ,( only me). I don't want the device to fish for me . The thrill of setting the hook would be gone.

[GERKMANY]

I just purchased 2 jawjackers to use this season. I read the response to ruttnut. In NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM is the commission CORRECT! If you cannot PRODUCE a list of illegal methods, then why should I concede? Sounds more like LEGAL EXTORTION to fine you. The HYPOCRITES are saying “do what I say, but I can’t produce a legit document “.  Nope! Not gunna happen with me. It’s time for people to MAKE A STAND!!  Come fine me, see what happens.

No political affiliation here. 

PATRIOTS STAND UP TO TYRANNY

[Gunflint]

I just purchased 2 jawjackers to use this season. I read the response to ruttnut. In NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM is the commission CORRECT! If you cannot PRODUCE a list of illegal methods, then why should I concede? Sounds more like LEGAL EXTORTION to fine you. The HYPOCRITES are saying “do what I say, but I can’t produce a legit document “.  Nope! Not gunna happen with me. It’s time for people to MAKE A STAND!!  Come fine me, see what happens.

No political affiliation here. 

PATRIOTS STAND UP TO TYRANNY

They have ALWAYS been illegal in Minnesota and specifically called out in the regs.

I can live with that.

[GERKMANY]

@gunflint
I live in pa. When did I mention Minnesota?   

[Gunflint]

I know, I know. You are absolutely correct. It is weakness of mine.

Sorry 

[RuttNutt]

When i pull the tip up out of the hole I decide when to set the hook ,( only me). I don't want the device to fish for me . The thrill of setting the hook would be gone.

Well, I like the thrill of fighting a fish on an ultralight rod with light line.................i nstead of yanking it up through the hole hand over hand on 25 lb test!