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IceShanty Main => General Ice Fishing Chit Chat => Topic started by: Alternative Reefer on Jan 15, 2022, 04:51 AM
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Couple days ago I got into it with another fisherman on the ice. Here is the story.
I pull up to a spot I fish when I am pressed for time. Last year I pretty much had this area to myself. I hammered the fish all winter long. Kept it to myself as much as possible. Unfortunately word got out this small little area had perch, crappies and gills just stacked up in their. It is super easy access.
I drop my grandson off at school and I head to the spot. When I get there the main spot I fish two guys had tip ups strewn all over the area so I look at plan B. Another shack set up., Third spot occupied. So plan D. As I am loading my sled some dipcrap gets out of his minivan with another guy and a small child. He shouts out loud "HONEY HOLE". I just laugh, gigs up my spot is ruined the idiots found it. So I drag my sled to spot D. It is a nice overcast day, light wind 31 degrees. So I am going to sit outside and not in the shack. I drill three holes because I can have three lines and I spread them out 15 feet about between them Soaking two minnows and jigging with the third. I am not taking up that much area, this is a large flat that the fish roam so it is ok fishing all over.
As I get my first dead stick placed the honey hole guy comes over and drills a hole right next to me. Less than four feet from my second dead stick hole. I kindly let him know that he drilled a hole pretty close and I was fishing that hole. He laughs and says, I;m gonna be like those internet guys and tell you you don't own the water. I said your right.........you can fish there if you want but so am I and I am not moving. ( I have been bullied out of my spots too many times over the last few years by guys that decide if they make it hard for you to fish you will leave, so now I refuse to move). I give people plenty of space and I avoid fishing most weekends to avoid assholes.....this was a Wednesday. So the guy says to me you have a hole there, there and there but I can't fish here? I said, I do not care where you fish. I am just telling you I am not leaving. He starts getting even dumber. He starts puffing his chest and talking stupid so I just say your a real tough guy huh! I said it's pretty crapty for you to crawl up my ass like this. He then shouts, relax dude, it's just perch and crappies! I said exactly, its just perch and crappies so why are you crawling up my ass. I can tell his buddy wants no part of this as he never once lifts his head or says anything. As I am setting up my line I just said out loud, I can not believe you are gonna fish right on top of me. His buddy finally just pulled his ducer and started walking away and the dipcrap followed.
I watched as he avoided all the other fishermen and gave them a wide berth. If the guy would have just said, hey you mind if we fish next to you? I would have said sure, I have a hole right there, maybe give me about ten feet so we don't tangle lines that would be great. Just be courteous.
Another fisherman walked over after and said I agree with everything you said. He walked over to see where he drilled his hole and shook his head and asked if he wanted to jump in the shack with you too?
Was I wrong? What is proper etiquette in this situation?
For the record I didn't even catch a fish out of that hole. The spot has been over fished and I didn't catch a fish over 7" that entire day. I drive past on the weekend and there is 30 guys there fishing it now. I get off the ice and an old guy pulls up, hows the fishing? I say it sucks. Oh really he says, I sat down here on my lawn chair all summer, I was catching perch and crappies. I ate so many my wife and I got sick from eating them. He leaves and another guy from out of town pulls up. I heard they are nailing perch and crappies in here. Guys were nailing them all fall. My FIL told me about it and says he fishes here all the time.
Less than one season the parasites fished the area dry.
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IMO you weren’t wrong , the guy was just another (Richard Cranium) , plus he’s teaching a child bad habits , crappy role model
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you were ok IMO. it used to be you could avoid most of the _icks and spot snipers by going during the week. now the dead beats _icks are rich off gov. money and are out all week. just remember to let them start it and then you can finish it. ;D
remember when 30 guys could set up in an area and have a bunch of laughs? seems those days are gone.
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remember when 30 guys could set up in an area and have a bunch of laughs? seems those days are gone.
I pretty much have to deal with combat fishing all spring and fall. I have no issue fishing in a group or next to someone. But come ice fishing for some reason I just want to be left alone. I couldn't imagine walking up to a guy in his shack and just striking up a conversation or trying to peer into a guys bucket to see if he is catching anything. I even resort to outright lying to people on the ice. I don't keep fish often but if I am that bucket is as sacred as my wallet, stay the heck out of it. If anyone asks I tell them it sucks or was slow or the fish are small. I fish with my uncle and he is just the opposite, before he is off the ice he has told 20 people. Then he wonders why all the good spots are crowded.
The only thing I ever ask is how thick is the ice. If there are fish there I am pretty confident I can get them to bite. It wasn't like that a few years ago. I couldn't catch a fish with dynamite.
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Your 100% right! I had the same thing a few years back. But it was a old guy about 70 yrs old and I said to myself it's not worth say anything to him so I let him go. But in the past it happened to me so what I did is fire up the jiffy and put a hole inches from him, ice chips flying all over him! He is yelling and screaming! He left right after I drilled the hole!!
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I'm amazed that guys risk their lives over a fish.
The smart way to handle that situation would have been to defuse, not esculate. You could have swallowed your injured pride and drilled one more hole away from the idiot's hole. Problem solved.
Instead you're still worked up about it. Your poor decision to esculate is letting that jamoke live rent free in your head. And he's stealing from you your must precious resource, Grandpa, TIME. You could be with your grandson sharing and teaching. But instead, here you are, all worked up, angry and righteous.
My old Grandma used to say, between drags on her Chesterfield and shots of Old Overholt, "Two wrongs don't make a right."
People are nuts these days. You are arguing with a stranger... over fish.
What would you have done if the crazy ***** pulled a gun on you ?
I'll bet you love your grandson. Next time do the right things to make sure you're around for him as lonng as possible. It'd be a shame if he lost you over a fish...
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"Somebody just back of you while you are fishing is as bad as someone looking over your shoulder while you write a letter to your girl. " - Ernest Hemingway
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Couple days ago I got into it with another fisherman on the ice. Here is the story.
I pull up to a spot I fish when I am pressed for time. Last year I pretty much had this area to myself. I hammered the fish all winter long. Kept it to myself as much as possible. Unfortunately word got out this small little area had perch, crappies and gills just stacked up in their. It is super easy access.
I drop my grandson off at school and I head to the spot. When I get there the main spot I fish two guys had tip ups strewn all over the area so I look at plan B. Another shack set up., Third spot occupied. So plan D. As I am loading my sled some dipcrap gets out of his minivan with another guy and a small child. He shouts out loud "HONEY HOLE". I just laugh, gigs up my spot is ruined the idiots found it. So I drag my sled to spot D. It is a nice overcast day, light wind 31 degrees. So I am going to sit outside and not in the shack. I drill three holes because I can have three lines and I spread them out 15 feet about between them Soaking two minnows and jigging with the third. I am not taking up that much area, this is a large flat that the fish roam so it is ok fishing all over. This is quite a story that such morons are allowed to participate in such a tranquil sport and try and make it hard on people. Where has common courtesy gone. This kind of thing just ruins it for those that just want to have a little fun. You know guys can work together and figure out what's working and it's a better experience that way. Why do people want to sit right on top you and make all kinds of racket. You did the right thing.
As I get my first dead stick placed the honey hole guy comes over and drills a hole right next to me. Less than four feet from my second dead stick hole. I kindly let him know that he drilled a hole pretty close and I was fishing that hole. He laughs and says, I;m gonna be like those internet guys and tell you you don't own the water. I said your right.........you can fish there if you want but so am I and I am not moving. ( I have been bullied out of my spots too many times over the last few years by guys that decide if they make it hard for you to fish you will leave, so now I refuse to move). I give people plenty of space and I avoid fishing most weekends to avoid assholes.....this was a Wednesday. So the guy says to me you have a hole there, there and there but I can't fish here? I said, I do not care where you fish. I am just telling you I am not leaving. He starts getting even dumber. He starts puffing his chest and talking stupid so I just say your a real tough guy huh! I said it's pretty crapty for you to crawl up my ass like this. He then shouts, relax dude, it's just perch and crappies! I said exactly, its just perch and crappies so why are you crawling up my ass. I can tell his buddy wants no part of this as he never once lifts his head or says anything. As I am setting up my line I just said out loud, I can not believe you are gonna fish right on top of me. His buddy finally just pulled his ducer and started walking away and the dipcrap followed.
I watched as he avoided all the other fishermen and gave them a wide berth. If the guy would have just said, hey you mind if we fish next to you? I would have said sure, I have a hole right there, maybe give me about ten feet so we don't tangle lines that would be great. Just be courteous.
Another fisherman walked over after and said I agree with everything you said. He walked over to see where he drilled his hole and shook his head and asked if he wanted to jump in the shack with you too?
Was I wrong? What is proper etiquette in this situation?
For the record I didn't even catch a fish out of that hole. The spot has been over fished and I didn't catch a fish over 7" that entire day. I drive past on the weekend and there is 30 guys there fishing it now. I get off the ice and an old guy pulls up, hows the fishing? I say it sucks. Oh really he says, I sat down here on my lawn chair all summer, I was catching perch and crappies. I ate so many my wife and I got sick from eating them. He leaves and another guy from out of town pulls up. I heard they are nailing perch and crappies in here. Guys were nailing them all fall. My FIL told me about it and says he fishes here all the time.
Less than one season the parasites fished the area dry.
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Don’t matter where you go , hawkers lurking & watching for the easy ! I have a ton of spots & never fish the same spot 2 days in a row unless ice conditions dictate it . I use the silent treatment & it works good . Always carry , as coming off in darkness you never know who’s around. Don’t sweat it & move on & find more fish , they’ll be fishing for dinks for 10 years before they move !! Tighlines
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Start drilling holes a foot apart all the way around him.
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People follow me all the time. Little did they know, that I have no clue where the fish are. ;D
Cuz I like to pick a spot and fish that spot all over several times in the same year to try to figure out the area. I bring a comfy seat and the shelter so I can camp/sleep all day if I wanted to.
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I had the same problem told 1 friend I was catching crappie big average 12" thick body out of my kayak over the summer he invited 6 of his family members to go ice fishing after 2 weekend fishing trips you can catch a fish over 6"
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IMO you weren’t wrong , the guy was just another (Richard Cranium) , plus he’s teaching a child bad habits , crappy role model
x2 RC’s are everywhere. Dipcrap wouldn’t of stood a chance here with us if he pulled that crap!! End of story!!
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x2 RC’s are everywhere. Dipcrap wouldn’t of stood a chance here with us if he pulled that crap!! End of story!!
Heck Yeah. Run an Auger up his assss! ;D
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After drilling his first hole , you were trying to have a battle of wits w/ an unarmed person.
Paint the ice yellow & go back to da shanty.
Your spot got burned.
I lose about 1 per year and it just makes me scout more during the off season for a new one. Till the inevitable happens again.
Swift Tines
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You muricans seem to go apecrap over "your" spots. What he did was just being an idiotic googan, sure glad I've never had to deal with that kind of crap on ice up here. As stupid as some newbies here may be, they seem to stick to open water, have never run into an ice googan in over 20 years of ice fishing.
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Your 100% right! I had the same thing a few years back. But it was a old guy about 70 yrs old and I said to myself it's not worth say anything to him so I let him go. But in the past it happened to me so what I did is fire up the jiffy and put a hole inches from him, ice chips flying all over him! He is yelling and screaming! He left right after I drilled the hole!!
Yeah, the 70-year-old will be dead soon, so no problem going forward. Trouble is I'm 70.
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You muricans seem to go apecrap over "your" spots. What he did was just being an idiotic googan, sure glad I've never had to deal with that kind of crap on ice up here. As stupid as some newbies here may be, they seem to stick to open water, have never run into an ice googan in over 20 years of ice fishing.
It's fairly common down here. A few years back I was the ONLY one out on a pond. Been fishing maybe an hour and heard someone else rustling around... rustling stopped really close. Reeeeally close.
I got out of the fish house, and some dbag was popping his hub up right against mine... like literally touching it. We had some words, and his sawed off runt azz moved.
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It's fairly common down here. A few years back I was the ONLY one out on a pond. Been fishing maybe an hour and heard someone else rustling around... rustling stopped really close. Reeeeally close.
I got out of the fish house, and some dbag was popping his hub up right against mine... like literally touching it. We had some words, and his sawed off runt azz moved.
That sucks. In over 40 years of fishing, I can only remember 2 runs ins I've had with others trying to fish on top of me for no reason. Both were in open water. Thankfully, both resolved themselves in my favor, first idiot got hit by a giant cloud of midges he couldn't handle, second were a group of Asians trying to use giant sinkers on a rocky bottom in strong current. Needless to say I prevailed.
As I fish over 100 days per year over the past decade, were talking about well over 2000 outings. I really like my solitude when fishing, and with a good 500.000 lakes and rivers in Quebec, I'm blessed to be able to find spots away from crowds on most of my outings. That being said, it I live in a city of close to 3,000,000 people, so it takes a bit of homework at times.
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It's too bad that rude clowns can ruin a perfectly good day. Some people just don't know any better. As I've gotten older I try harder to live and let live.
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Facebook and the group admins perpetuate this behaviour.
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I have to say it…. Take social media, computers and phones away…. Our fishing spots would be safe again!!!! We’ll, at least the spots no one has spot burned!!!😁
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Ice fishing has turned into a crowded chit show. Kinda why I’ve gotten out of it.
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Unreal but not really anymore….
“People don’t ya know”
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Speaking of entitled people: I allowed a guy to ice fish my private ponds two years in a row. The third year I wanted to give the pond a break and he came unglued! It was like I owed him to fish the pond!
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Speaking of entitled people: I allowed a guy to ice fish my private ponds two years in a row. The third year I wanted to give the pond a break and he came unglued! It was like I owed him to fish the pond!
maybe he was winning money somewhere with your trophy raised fish? lol
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Speaking of entitled people: I allowed a guy to ice fish my private ponds two years in a row. The third year I wanted to give the pond a break and he came unglued! It was like I owed him to fish the pond!
Like taking candy away from a baby.
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One of my favorite quotes comes to mind its "I think people like you are what gives A**holes a bad name"
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maybe he was winning money somewhere with your trophy raised fish? lol
Perhaps. He also asked me to fish it in the summer which I said was O.K. as long as he used a fly rod. He said fly fishing was for sissies and never showed up.
This was before he got totally honked off. He won't be coming again.
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I just pulled off a two night camp out on the ice with my 11 year old son. It was super fun, but I thought it was strange when I got old of my pop up in the morning that another group had set up close enough I could have thrown a baseball into the middle of their setup. They ended up being quiet and we’re not a problem but I found it strange there was not another fisherman within a half mile and they chose to set up right by me. I had a couple ideas to try next time.
1. Before the start drilling turn up some rap music LOUD! If they start dancing try country.
2. Move the luggable loo right in the middle of their business to conduct your businesses to test how strongly they adhere to the principle of anybody having a right to any spot on public water. If it comes to number two I would be prepared to fight.
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You were not in the wrong. Here is the thing though. What i've learned the numerous times this has happened to me over the years. most of these people have 0 idea what they are doing. I mean almost all of them.
to the point where I do not even care anymore. its almost funny. I don't care that they have all the right gear, I will outfish them most likely 3 feet from them. and i'm not even that good!
It just gives me a story to tell. and sometimes the people are like what on earth are you doing and I get a chance to show them how I fish.
Ice fishing can get pretty packed now a days. I think more ice fisherman is great. Manufacturers innovate and give us better products. But just remember they are likely not great at ice fishing.
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I'm amazed that guys risk their lives over a fish.
The smart way to handle that situation would have been to defuse, not esculate. You could have swallowed your injured pride and drilled one more hole away from the idiot's hole. Problem solved.
Instead you're still worked up about it. Your poor decision to esculate is letting that jamoke live rent free in your head. And he's stealing from you your must precious resource, Grandpa, TIME. You could be with your grandson sharing and teaching. But instead, here you are, all worked up, angry and righteous.
My old Grandma used to say, between drags on her Chesterfield and shots of Old Overholt, "Two wrongs don't make a right."
People are nuts these days. You are arguing with a stranger... over fish.
What would you have done if the crazy ***** pulled a gun on you ?
I'll bet you love your grandson. Next time do the right things to make sure you're around for him as lonng as possible. It'd be a shame if he lost you over a fish...
I'm sorry....but this does zero to help anyone. All this does is allow these type of people to become more embolden and do more stupid crap. If someone is acting like the guy did, he needs to get called out. Now, I would agree that getting into a physical altercation would be way overboard. However, a shouting match and letting a guy know he is a prick.....totally justified. Maybe he won't be a jerk next time,or his buddy will tell him what an Idiot he was. By giving into these actions it is a sign of acceptance and the actions become acceptable.
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No!! in no way shape or form. It's getting totally stupid out there now. It's to bad that a peaceful thing has turned into a "it's all about what I want" thing. Welcome to the NEW WORLD. Disgusting.
Just be safe out there.
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There are way too many Karens on the ice ;)
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There are way too many self proclaimed "expert anglers" who seem to have no idea what etiquette is.
That doesn't even include the learning experience the child/son should be learning from a moment like this.
As for diffusing the situation, you shouldn't have to explain your actions beyond what he said.
You were not wrong. Sure you could have offered the olive branch, but that would only reaffirm his belief that his actions are acceptable.
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Nope you are not in the wrong at all.
I hate it when I'm out on the lake and there's no one else out there. Then out of nowhere somebody comes out and heads all the way across the lake straight to where I'm at.
And they start the old line of questions how's the fishing, get any big ones, what you catching them on, etc.
Usually I want to tell them to go find their own spots or get the heck away from me and my friends.
But I usually just lie to them and tell them the fishing is no good and leave it at that.
But there's no point in setting up on top of someone else especially if you're not going to ask nicely first.
I know on some of the smaller lakes there might only be a few good spots and maybe you intend to fish one only to find someone beat you to the spot.
At a minimum I would ask nicely if they minded if I fish close to them. And I would still give them plenty of room.
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I have not gone out this year because the beards with barn coats crowd me out. Trespassing to boot.
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I have not gone out this year because the beards with barn coats crowd me out. Trespassing to boot.
I have a beard and wear a barn coat :P
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One of my favorite quotes comes to mind its "I think people like you are what gives A**holes a bad name"
Me too! Mine is: I used to be a people person................ then people ruined it!
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Your 100% right! I had the same thing a few years back. But it was a old guy about 70 yrs old and I said to myself it's not worth say anything to him so I let him go. But in the past it happened to me so what I did is fire up the jiffy and put a hole inches from him, ice chips flying all over him! He is yelling and screaming! He left right after I drilled the hole!!
That’s GREAT! ;D
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Me too! Mine is: I used to be a people person................ then people ruined it!
Matching hat and a horse and buggy?
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This is easy. If it ever happens to me, I just act SUPER overly friendly and ummm, sorry to be politically incorrect, actually physically retarded, slurring my speech and asking all sorts of questions like why the sky is blue and how the lake gets hard enough to walk on. Maybe ask some questions on where babies come from, tell them a story about how your uncle Ernie touched you "down there" during a family picnic... you know, act really happy they showed up, like SUPER happy about it!! Then tell them you made a stinky in your pants, oops, can you help me clean it?
To me this is a golden opportunity to have a fricken blast with someone! It can be tough not to laugh though!
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This is easy. If it ever happens to me, I just act SUPER overly friendly and ummm, sorry to be politically incorrect, actually physically retarded, slurring my speech and asking all sorts of questions like why the sky is blue and how the lake gets hard enough to walk on. Maybe ask some questions on where babies come from, tell them a story about how your uncle Ernie touched you "down there" during a family picnic... you know, act really happy they showed up, like SUPER happy about it!! Then tell them you made a stinky in your pants, oops, can you help me clean it?
To me this is a golden opportunity to have a fricken blast with someone! It can be tough not to laugh though!
lol we need to hang out!
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I guess I have been lucky on the ice at least. The metro lakes I fish are pretty pressured both open and ice fishing. Open water I have been on a favorite spot on a canal and had people watching me catch fish and come and setup within 5’ on either side of me, and get in my face when I explained that there was plenty of canal to fish and I didn’t like them crowding up on me. They both got pretty aggressive so I packed up and left. Just about 100 yards and started catching again, and sure enough they reeled in and started heading my way. Fine with me because the conservation officer who showed up about ten minutes after they were laughing and asking me was I going to move again happened to be a close friend. They stopped laughing as soon as he found out that neither one of them had valid licenses. 😁 ice fishing I have only had folks come up and tell me that where I was fishing was a favorite spot did they mind if they setup in fairly close proximity. As I have gotten older it takes me longer to heal up so I try not to have the need to unlike 40 years ago! 👻
Keep it safe! JDL
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Me too! Mine is: I used to be a people person................ then people ruined it!
Bawahahaaa!
Classic
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If Im going to be combat fishing and I want to get rid of people that are too close I just blast the appropriate music to accomplish it. It may be Polish. It may be Mexican. It may be death metal. If the guys can handle being 10ft from the speaker at full blast for an hour he's earned it. Either that or I'll bring my spaniel out with me and have her on a 25ft lead. It gets old fast when she tries to get to every one of your fish as soon as they come out of the hole. It's easy to get her to stop. If you are me😁 Otherwise, good luck.
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If Im going to be combat fishing and I want to get rid of people that are too close I just blast the appropriate music to accomplish it. It may be Polish. It may be Mexican. It may be death metal. If the guys can handle being 10ft from the speaker at full blast for an hour he's earned it. Either that or I'll bring my spaniel out with me and have her on a 25ft lead. It gets old fast when she tries to get to every one of your fish as soon as they come out of the hole. It's easy to get her to stop. If you are me😁 Otherwise, good luck.
Problem with the whole music thing is that I would be torturing myself just as much as the other person!
Kind of defeats the purpose of the peace and quiet of being in nature.