I have ben out 2 times seen 2 but both short. and one lake was like fishing in coffee. 2 ft. down and I could barely see the fins on my deke. Now, not to hijack the thread., is it typical to have cloudy water early in the season on some lakes? I speared this lake 2 years ago, and could see bottom at 7 ft , and it was later in the season, cause I had just stared spearing. prolly mid feb.