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IceShanty Main => General Ice Fishing Chit Chat => Topic started by: lipripper89 on Jan 28, 2012, 04:46 PM
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One of my best friends, Parker Bambenek, was hit by a snowmobile today on Big Bay DeNoc, Michigan. The man on the snowmobile ran over one of his tip ups, so Parker got out of his shack and was yelling at the guy as he drove away, the snowmobile then turned around and Parker was waving his arms trying to get him to slow down or stop, but it hit him instead. He went flying and hit the ice with two broken legs, he is in an ambulance on his way to Marquette General (where I will be shortly) as I type this.
I was going to be fishing with Parker on LBDN tomorrow but now I will be heading to BBDN to talk to as many people as I can about this in an attempt to get some information on the man or the sled he was on. I am told he was on an orange sled and there were two people on it. I am asking any of you fellow fisherman who frequent either of the DeNocs to ask everyone you talk to out there about this and contact the state police and myself if you know anything at all.
We need to come together on this as a community and help the cops catch this guy or next time it could be you, me, or someone you love.
To the driver of the sled......I will be looking, and the cops better find you first....
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Sorry to hear about your friend, hopefully those on the sled are caught.
God Bless.
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Ok, this is a serious issue, makes all of us angry, amounts to an assault, we all want to see these slugs get caught but we can express our feelings minus the salty language, I've already had to remove/alter a couple of posts, don't want to do that, considering the seriousness of this issue, please Lipripper, keep us posted on your friend's condition, thanks guys. Don
Iceshanty Moderator
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I don't know what to say about this. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/DRIFTER_016/Emoticons/blink-1.gif)
It's unbelievable that some person would run over someone on purpose. >:(
I hope that your friend recovers quickly and fully and that those responsible are locked up for a long time.
Attempted murder is a pretty serious crime in my book.
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Best wishes and a speedy recovery to your buddy. Hope they catch the person involved and throw away the key.
Dan
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Ok, this is a serious issue, amounts to an assault,
Not sure about the actual laws in Michigan but they would be extremely lucky to get off with an assault charge in Ontario.
Minimum would be assault causing bodily harm, or even up to attempted murder. Careless operation of a snowmobile would also be tacked on.
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Yeah, I would think it would be attempted vehicular homicide, or something along those lines. I hope he gets caught, but more important, I hope your buddy gets fixed up and healthy again.
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10:1 alcohol was involved!
It really sux that your friends fun trip was ruined so badly!
Not only do I hope they catch the guy and throw his worthless butt in jail, I also hope he is made to pay restution to your friend out of his own pocket and not just his insurance company.
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This is horrible. I pray for a quick recovery for your friend! Im certain he would be doing some time as this would be a felony for reckless driving, assault, fleeing the scene. If they can prove alcohal was a factor on top of that, this guy could be looking upwards of 15 years depending on his record.
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I will say a prayer for your friend and that the person/persons get caught and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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10:1 alcohol was involved!
You know this for sure? Any details?
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LipRip, hope your buddy heals fast and has no long term conditions to deal with over this. These characters need to be held responsible for this callus act of disregard for human life. They do not belong in society, hopefully they get state housing and free meals for a long long time, and soon! Hopefully someone is following their sled tracks and trying to get them NOW!
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I've asked that Parker be added to our churches prayer list. I hope he has a speedy recovery.
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Our thoughts and prayers go out to your friend !
Lets hope the driver is caught and made an example of !
Ever state should have rules like we do , you cant operate a snowmobile any faster than it takes to maintain forward motion within 100 feet of an ice fisherman .
In this situation I'm pretty certain that law wouldn't have worked because this guy sounds like he was on a mission and planned what he did but at least it would be an additional charge once hes caught .
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Shame to hear that bead news. Prayers out to your friend. Kind of unbelievable that someone would intentionally run another person over with a snow machine. I hope that person is found and brought to justice.
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Our thoughts and prayers go out to your friend !
Lets hope the driver is caught and made an example of !
Ever state should have rules like we do , you cant operate a snowmobile any faster than it takes to maintain forward motion within 100 feet of an ice fisherman .
In this situation I'm pretty certain that law wouldn't have worked because this guy sounds like he was on a mission and planned what he did but at least it would be an additional charge once hes caught .
Even with this law in NY we still have people fly by on sleds not all but enough.
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An excerpt from Michigan snowmobile regulations:
A Person Shall Not Operate a Snowmobile:
While under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
At a rate of speed greater than is reasonable for existing conditions.
In a forest nursery, planting area or public lands posted or reasonably identifiable as an area or forest reproduction when growing stock may be damaged or any designated wild, wilderness or natural area in the state.
On the frozen surface of public waters within 100 feet of a person, including a skater, not in or upon a snowmobile or within 100 feet of a fishing shanty or shelter except at the minimum speed required to maintain forward movement of the snowmobile, or on an area that has been cleared for ice skating, unless the area is necessary for gaining access to the public water.
Within 100 feet of a dwelling between the hours of midnight and 6 a.m. at a speed greater than the minimum required to maintain forward movement of the snowmobile.
Upon the land of another without consent of the owner or their agent, as required by the recreational trespass act.
In an area open to public hunting during the November 15-30 firearm deer season from 7 a.m. to 11 a.m. and from 2 p.m. to 5 p.m.
While transporting a bow unless it is unstrung or encased, or a firearm unless it is unloaded and securely encased.
? On or across a cemetery or burial ground, airport, railroad or a railroad right-of-way, or within 100 feet of a sledding, skiing or skating area.
To chase, pursue, worry or kill any wild bird or animal.
In a public or private parking lot in a careless or negligent manner.
Accident Reporting
The law requires that the operator of a snowmobile involved in an accident resulting in injury to, or death of, any person, or property damage in an estimated amount of $100 or more, must immediately notify a law enforcement agency within the county in which the accident occurred.
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An excerpt from Michigan snowmobile regulations:
A Person Shall Not Operate a Snowmobile:
While under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
At a rate of speed greater than is reasonable for existing conditions.
In a forest nursery, planting area or public lands posted or reasonably identifiable as an area or forest reproduction when growing stock may be damaged or any designated wild, wilderness or natural area in the state.
On the frozen surface of public waters within 100 feet of a person, including a skater, not in or upon a snowmobile or within 100 feet of a fishing shanty or shelter except at the minimum speed required to maintain forward movement of the snowmobile, or on an area that has been cleared for ice skating, unless the area is necessary for gaining access to the public water.
Within 100 feet of a dwelling between the hours of midnight and 6 a.m. at a speed greater than the minimum required to maintain forward movement of the snowmobile.
Upon the land of another without consent of the owner or their agent, as required by the recreational trespass act.
In an area open to public hunting during the November 15-30 firearm deer season from 7 a.m. to 11 a.m. and from 2 p.m. to 5 p.m.
While transporting a bow unless it is unstrung or encased, or a firearm unless it is unloaded and securely encased.
? On or across a cemetery or burial ground, airport, railroad or a railroad right-of-way, or within 100 feet of a sledding, skiing or skating area.
To chase, pursue, worry or kill any wild bird or animal.
In a public or private parking lot in a careless or negligent manner.
Accident Reporting
The law requires that the operator of a snowmobile involved in an accident resulting in injury to, or death of, any person, or property damage in an estimated amount of $100 or more, must immediately notify a law enforcement agency within the county in which the accident occurred.
and there lies the problem, lots of rules, the fine might be a hundred dollars, they keep making rules but the problem is enforcing them and actually penalizing someone when something happens. the laws mostly let you down, what happens in a case like this is almost always different than what you would expect
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An intentional act of running a person down like these guys did will, I hope and pray, result in a charge of attempted vehicular homicide or something very similar, however, being from another state I can only guess that there is such a charge in Michigan. I think the perps will be very unpleasantly surprised, particularly if the Michigan State Police are handling the case. BTW, that law about a $100.00 minimum is for mandatory reporting, nothing to do with a fine resulting or levied from this victim's injuries. Oh yeah...orange snowmobile...someone out there knows who it belongs to...can't wait to see who these slugs are and what the charge is ;)
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Thanks for all the thoughts and prayers guys. The Orthopedic surgian just told us that he is done with surgery and he should be able to stand in a few days, but recovery will take a few months. He ended up with rods and bolts in both legs, with the left leg being worse than the right.
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Well that is good to hear! Lets hope he recovers fully from this.
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That is horrible! I'll pray for your buddy, and I hope they catch the guys that did it and bring them to justice.
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This is shocking. I hope that everyone comes together locally for you guys to catch this idiot, and I hope for your buddy Parker's speedy recovery.
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Glad to here he is ok.
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Lipripper you may want to copy and paste your original post here http://lake-link.com/Michigan-Fishing-Reports/report.cfm/4052/Little-And-Big-Bay-De-Noc/ (http://lake-link.com/Michigan-Fishing-Reports/report.cfm/4052/Little-And-Big-Bay-De-Noc/) to help get the word out.
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That is an awful thing to happen. I see allot of sleds zipping by quite close and at ridiculous speeds form time to time and it make me nervous. Especially when the kids are with me. With the crap winter we've had here, the trails haven't been all that great and have been seeing more traffic on the lakes.
Unfortunately, when crap like this happens, it looks bad on the sledders, though I have many friends that ride and I think most of them are responsible riders.
Hope your pal recovers quickly, and can get back out there.
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Wow! Absolutely crazy story. I really hope your friend gets Through this ordeal alright. With the economy the way it is two broken legs hurt the wallet as well. Maybe you could organize some kind of fundraising derby at the lake, and also pass out fliers with a description of the sled/suspects! It would help get the word out to the locals and help pay for heat as it can take a while to get on disability while he recovers. A nice group photo of event would probably lift his spirits as well.
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Good god I just woke up and read this story, it's just unbelievable. I mean what can you say, it's just crazy talk.
I dunno if it is possible to maybe get some kind of fundraiser for this guy on IS, we have a great group on here, and every little bit would probably help in his recovery.
CNY
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Hoping for a speedy recovery for your friend!
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that's nuts I hope your bud has a speedy recovery and the law catches up to them before you revenge can be sweet but would not want you to end up in the pokie over the acts of those dirt bags
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In my eyes that would have gave me the right to use deadly force on the snowmobile driver. I hope you find the person driving the sled. It's sad to say there are more people like that out than we know.
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Ok, this is a serious issue, makes all of us angry, amounts to an assault, we all want to see these slugs get caught but we can express our feelings minus the salty language, I've already had to remove/alter a couple of posts, don't want to do that, considering the seriousness of this issue, please Lipripper, keep us posted on your friend's condition, thanks guys. Don
Iceshanty Moderator
more serious than simple assault. it is actually assault AND BATTERY causing serious injury which carries a more severe penalty.
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Speaking on behalf of the entire Iceshanty Family, we hope for a fast and speedy recovery for your friend!! God, I hope they find the guy who did this maliscious act!--KP @)
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Best wishes to your friend for a speedy recovery. I hope they catch the a-hole who hit him and prosecute to the full extent of the law.
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the charge should be attempted murder and all the other charges that go with it. should take his drivers license and he should have to have a million dollar insurance policy for at least ten years. no hunting or fishing for that ten years.
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no hunting or fishing for that ten years.
Double that and make sure it includes being behind bars.. >:(
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gods speed to your friend for health & justice!! WOW....
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Glad your friend is going to make it!!! Hard to believe something like this could/would happen! There seems to be more and more crazy crap happening in this world. The driver needs the max punishment Plus. Iam sure they will be caught.
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keep us up dated on if you find the jerk >:(
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Thanks for all the prayers and well wishes everyone. I just got back from seeing him in the hospital and he is doing well. The doctors say he will be able to leave tomorrow but will be in rehab for a month.
As for catching the guy, the state police say they have a suspect and they asked for Parkers medical information meaning they are talking to the prosecuter.
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hopefully they have caught them. hope your buddy has a speedy recovery
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Can not imagine what type of sick mind would purposely turn around and come back to run over another person. Michigan does have a concealed weapons law, lucky for the driver that your friend wasn't armed. Would have been a case of self defense.
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Its sad that we have such low life people in this world that would do something like that. Hopefully they find the the person who did it.
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I wish your friend a speedy recovery and for the guy that hit hit I wish him to get what he deserves.
Matt
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hope all gets better. and as a snowmobiler im ashamed that this has happened. >:( hope they nail the culprits to the wall !!!
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Hope the police get this guy. Would love to see him explain his actions to a judge. Hopefully, the judge will be a sportsman/woman and let this have it. Please keep us updated. My buddy and I were out fishing today and I told him about this story and he was appalled as well.
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That's good news hope their suspect is idiot that did this horrific act and nail him to wall!!! We don't need people like that in this world. Hope your buddy makes a full recovery. Keep us posted.
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wow... i really dont know what to say to that story. never thought someone would be that sick to do somethin like that. prayers for your friend. hope they find that guy and nail him.
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Horrific! This made me I'll. Crazy nut jobs like this is why I carry when I'm on the ice. But sill it wouldn't have helped...who would imagine the guy would hit you?
Seriously what the crisis wrong with people anymore?
I'll pray for your buddies rehab to go smoothly,
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Any new info on the idiots that did this heinous crime? >:(
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Some info from the local news.
http://www.ironmountaindailynews.com/page/content.detail/id/532851/Snowmobile-hits-ice-fisherman.html?nav=5002
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Thanks Gillfisher for the link! Hope that all involved are apprehended and brought to justice.
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hopefully they have caught them. hope your buddy has a speedy recovery
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this is truly unbelievable but it did get me to register here . The TV news is carrying this story and I've got a feeling this criminal will be in a world of hurt VERY soon.
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This don't say much for the pasanger that was on the sled with the driver. Not coming forward puts them as a accomplice to the crime. :callcops: JUST AS GUILTY :callcops:
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I don't know what to say about this. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/DRIFTER_016/Emoticons/blink-1.gif)
It's unbelievable that some person would run over someone on purpose. >:(
I hope that your friend recovers quickly and fully and that those responsible are locked up for a long time.
Attempted murder is a pretty serious crime in my book.
X2 drifter you took the words right outta my mouth.
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Assault with a deadly weapon at the very least.
I hope your buddy is able to make a complete recovery.
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I hope the guy a speedy recovery. In Michigan, he can be charged with felonious assault less than murder, failure to report an accident causing injuries (felony), and other charges as well depending what else the Dep. finds during the investigation. I have some family up in the area. I will forward the info on to them. Someone always talks eventually
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Jail time, fine and lose the privilege of ever riding a snowmobile again is in order for this guy. Sorry to hear your friend had this happen to him. It's mind boggling to say the least.
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Looks like they have identified & questioned the man who was driving the snowmobile. According to this report the two guys know each other and have had disputes before. I don't care how much you argue with someone, it doesn't give you the right to run them down with a snowmobile.
http://www.uppermichiganssource.com/news/story.aspx?list=~%5Chome%5Clists%5Csearch&id=713840#.Tyf_QqXWZc4 (http://www.uppermichiganssource.com/news/story.aspx?list=~%5Chome%5Clists%5Csearch&id=713840#.Tyf_QqXWZc4)
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Make sure your buddy gets in touch with a personal injury lawyer.
May as well take everything this guy owns!!! >:(
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Just to clarify, my friend did not know the guy AT ALL, and he didnt have a chance to argue. The man ran his tip up over, then turned around and ran him over. TV6 and the Delta County Sherriffs Department need to get it strait and start reporting the truth.
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Just to clarify, my friend did not know the guy AT ALL, and he didnt have a chance to argue. The man ran his tip up over, then turned around and ran him over. TV6 and the Delta County Sherriffs Department need to get it strait and start reporting the truth.
That happens all the time darn news people can't get nothing right. Hope your buddy gets healing and hopefully someone else gets to meet with BUBBA!!! :o
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I hope your buddy is able to make a complete recovery, and this sled "driver" will go straight to jail and I wish it will be the world of pain for him.
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Wow!! Sounds like attempted murder
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there is something more here we aren't getting. i find it hard to believe that a guy just ran over a tip up then turned around and arbitrarily ran over a dude.
obviously, there is nothing that warrents getting run over by a snowmobile, but i'll wait for a more detailed news report.
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there is something more here we aren't getting. i find it hard to believe that a guy just ran over a tip up then turned around and arbitrarily ran over a dude.
obviously, there is nothing that warrents getting run over by a snowmobile, but i'll wait for a more detailed news report.
You dont know people in the Garden area then, i am from Manistique and know alot of people in the area, including Garden. And there are some low life people there who have money and think they can do what ever they want. I've texted everyone i know and gave them all a description of the sled. If i hear anything from anyone that they might know this person, you bet your butt ill be posting the persons info on here as well as getting ahold of local authorities (which i am good friends with as well). I hope your friend makes a full and trouble free recovery! As for the guy on the sled, justice will find them in some way if they are never caught. Karma always comes back to bite someone back! If you know the make and model of the sled PM me ASAP!! I can get the word out to all my friends back home in that area!
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How about the comments under those news stories? Who are these messed up people stepping to the defense of this coward on the snowmobile??
I certainly don't know all the facts and don't want to jump to conclusions, but to me it seems cut and dry. You've got a reckless guy out on his snowmobile who feels he is untouchable. Ain't nobody gonna tell him where he can ride, how fast he can go...especially some sissy ice fisherman and his poor tip-up.
Then some guy is claiming he knows the suspect and his family will lie for him??...yeah, sure. Get them up on the stand looking at perjury charges and you will quickly find out the truth. The police and DA seem to be dragging their feet a bit, time to amp up the pressure on suspects passenger (GF) and family corroborating this bogus "Island" alibi.
Hope this all turns out well for Parker and the guilty party is brought to justice.
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You dont know people in the Garden area then, i am from Manistique and know alot of people in the area, including Garden
congratulations? what does that to do with the fact that there is more to the story?
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So hnd, if i understand you properly, you are saying that Parker is lying about how he was struck by the snowmobile? Or maybe that he did something to warrant the snowmobiler hitting him and shattering both of his legs?
Please clarify, just a little confused.
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So hnd, if i understand you properly, you are saying that Parker is lying about how he was struck by the snowmobile? Or maybe that he did something to warrant the snowmobiler hitting him and shattering both of his legs?
Please clarify, just a little confused.
I'm not hnd but I'll weigh in my opinion for you.
Hnd said only that there is more to the story - arbitrarily hitting tipups and running down fisherman just doesn't make sense.
We weren't there and are in danger of filling in the blanks as we see fit. I think hnd is simply warning that we should wait for the rest of the story before we hang the guy.
Alcohol explains the behavior.
Psychopathy explains the behavior.
A Bonnie and Clyde murderous rampage explains the behavior.
Keep in mind for the next one I am not making any accusations - I'll describe this as if I were the snowmobile operator.
If I were tooling along and hit someones tip up, I would [1]turn around and head back to the fisherman to apologize and make restitution.
Then, if, as I came to the fisherman he pulled a gun on me, I would [2]run him over since this is the obvious weapon I have available to defend myself.
Next, since I am afraid of being shot, I would [3]flee the scene.
Remember, no accusations from me. Not of you lipripper89 or your buddy. But I thought it might be good to show that there could be a plausible reason to run someone over with a vehicle.
And then if it were me, the sheriff would have heard of the incident from me first.
What I suspect happened here does not matter. That's why detectives investigate.
I do sincerely wish your friend a quick recovery. I also sincerely wish for swift justice. And please don't take what I've written here as calling anyone a liar.
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Very sad deal there just doesn't seem to be any Justis anymore . Big lawyers will probley ask him for money to fix his clients snowmobile :'(
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Well I would say that the fact that the guy fled and didnt contact the police pretty much sums it up. If you were defending yourself and hadnt purposely run the guy over you would have nothing to hide. This needs no comment as to who was wrong here. He had both of his legs broken and went to the hospital because the man hit him with a snowmobile. I'd say that warrants a "hanging".
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WOW... UNBELIEVABLE Sorry to hear about such a horrible act of violence.. We pray for a speedy recovery...
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So hnd, if i understand you properly, you are saying that Parker is lying about how he was struck by the snowmobile? Or maybe that he did something to warrant the snowmobiler hitting him and shattering both of his legs?
Please clarify, just a little confused.
no apparently you are very awful at understanding properly.
we get that you are upset and that seems reasonable. but there are ALWAYS two sides to every story.
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Keep in mind for the next one I am not making any accusations - I'll describe this as if I were the snowmobile operator.
If I were tooling along and hit someones tip up, I would [1]turn around and head back to the fisherman to apologize and make restitution.
Then, if, as I came to the fisherman he pulled a gun on me, I would [2]run him over since this is the obvious weapon I have available to defend myself.
Next, since I am afraid of being shot, I would [3]flee the scene.
I'm a snowmobiler first and an ice fisherman second. Any real snowmobiler would instantly turn off the machine and walk to the fisherman after running over a trap. He wouldn't rip around and thread his machine between all the other traps to get to the guy to say sorry.
Anyway, we are all speculating until the details are released. But there is certainly more to the story. People on motorized machines don't just mow people down without a reason.
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yes we don't know both sides of the story we do know someone has two broken legs and the assailant ran so what possible re son could he or she have
to justify this and not own up
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no apparently you are very awful at understanding properly.
we get that you are upset and that seems reasonable. but there are ALWAYS two sides to every story.
I too believe we are missing some truth. This in no way justifies the horrible act but............. From and investigative stand I would first look at the facts. Fact, a snowmobile ran over or came way to close to an ice fishermans equipment (how far was the tip up from the fisherman?)Fact, the ice fisherman comes out hooting and hollering waving arms. Fact, male early 20's (yes age often matters in emotional control) gives the snowmobiler a peace of his mind most likely showing little verbal restraint. Fact, an argument ensued and threats or gestures of attack POSSIBLY made. Fact, the snowmobiler then runs down the victim with the snowmobile. Another fact is that this obviously was not a hi speed run down. Anyone that has been on a sled knows that if you run straight into someone at any significant speed they would end up on top of you. This doesn't sound right. I would go as far as saying that he and the victim were at a stand still and during a conflict the snowmobiler lunged forward hitting him and was again POSSIBLY challenged to do so or trying to stop the snowmobiler/jumping in front of him. The snowmobiler realized the extent of what had transpired and took off. He is still at fault in this no doubt. This snowmobiler was obviously a jerk and a coward for his actions and not coming forward. I do see though how this may have been provoked but still is not acceptable behavior.
Sorry if anyone takes offense to my version but WE ARE DEFINITELY MISSING SOME INFO. I too wish the victim a speedy recovery and hope this guy serves his time.
However this unfolded, I hope others can learn the extent of lack of personal restraint. You don't pop off at the mouth to anyone that may have accidentally ran over something they may not have seen. Nor do you assault anyone in any manner if not assaulted first. Freaking out on someone who may be unaware of any wrong doing is ridiculous. Many people are killed in road rage incidents every year under similar circumstances. Some by gun some by vehicle some stabbed to death. Approach every situation as an accident before laying into anyone, unless they implicate purposefull wrong doing to you, you should continue to conduct yourself in a civilized manner.
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Freak , that's a very insightful assessment of the possible scenarios .
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I too believe we are missing some truth. This in no way justifies the horrible act but............. From and investigative stand I would first look at the facts. Fact, a snowmobile ran over or came way to close to an ice fishermans equipment (how far was the tip up from the fisherman?)Fact, the ice fisherman comes out hooting and hollering waving arms. Fact, male early 20's (yes age often matters in emotional control) gives the snowmobiler a peace of his mind most likely showing little verbal restraint. Fact, an argument ensued and threats or gestures of attack POSSIBLY made. Fact, the snowmobiler then runs down the victim with the snowmobile. Another fact is that this obviously was not a hi speed run down. Anyone that has been on a sled knows that if you run straight into someone at any significant speed they would end up on top of you. This doesn't sound right. I would go as far as saying that he and the victim were at a stand still and during a conflict the snowmobiler lunged forward hitting him and was again POSSIBLY challenged to do so or trying to stop the snowmobiler/jumping in front of him. The snowmobiler realized the extent of what had transpired and took off. He is still at fault in this no doubt. This snowmobiler was obviously a jerk and a coward for his actions and not coming forward. I do see though how this may have been provoked but still is not acceptable behavior.
Sorry if anyone takes offense to my version but WE ARE DEFINITELY MISSING SOME INFO. I too wish the victim a speedy recovery and hope this guy serves his time.
However this unfolded, I hope others can learn the extent of lack of personal restraint. You don't pop off at the mouth to anyone that may have accidentally ran over something they may not have seen. Nor do you assault anyone in any manner if not assaulted first. Freaking out on someone who may be unaware of any wrong doing is ridiculous. Many people are killed in road rage incidents every year under similar circumstances. Some by gun some by vehicle some stabbed to death. Approach every situation as an accident before laying into anyone, unless they implicate purposefull wrong doing to you, you should continue to conduct yourself in a civilized manner.
wow dude really?
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Obviously there is a lot of information not know, the totality of the situation is only know by those involved. Speculating on the situation and making comments relating to the same helps no one. After working in law enforcement for over 30 years you learn there are times like these that you will never know what really happened. If there were no witness present other than those involved you can only go what those involved tell you and any physical evidence that you can obtain.
BOB
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Obviously there is a lot of information not know, the totality of the situation is only know by those involved. Speculating on the situation and making comments relating to the same helps no one. After working in law enforcement for over 30 years you learn there are times like these that you will never know what really happened. If there were no witness present other than those involved you can only go what those involved tell you and any physical evidence that you can obtain.
BOB
Well put.
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Well freak, you obviously have a very limited understanding of physics. If the snowmobile had been at a stand still and the guy lunged forward from a short distance The sled would not have shattered both of his legs. Again he has a double compound fracture of his tibia and fibula in his left leg, and a straight break of the tibia in the right leg. These injuries resulted in two rods and screws in the left and a rod and srews also in the right.
On another note I am sitting in his room right now talking to him and showing him your posts, just to clear it up he once again sais the man ran over his tip up, he yelled at him and the man turned around accellerated and hit him. His girlfriend is also here and she once again agrees. I feel like theres an echo in this forum since I seem to keep seeing the same story over and over, from the people who were there. Yes I was not there, but since I am sitting in the same room as both of them right now, and they are watching me type this, I would say I count as good source of info for you guys.
I hope that this post can now continue to accomplish what I intended it for. If you have something to say to Parker please by all means post. However if you plan to soak up the medias poorly collected information, please hold off on the negative posts.
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Get well soon Parker, and follow the Doc's orders (even, Ms Girlfriend, if that means waiting on him hand and foot :) )! If you ever make it out here to Montana, dinner is on me.
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If there is more to the story or not, the guy used his snow mobile as a WEAPON and should be put behind bars for a long time. No different that using a gun to shoot someone. Lipripper, I hope your buddy heals quickly and gets back to fishing. Don't listen to some comments from previous posters.
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Well freak, you obviously have a very limited understanding of physics. If the snowmobile had been at a stand still and the guy lunged forward from a short distance The sled would not have shattered both of his legs. Again he has a double compound fracture of his tibia and fibula in his left leg, and a straight break of the tibia in the right leg. These injuries resulted in two rods and screws in the left and a rod and srews also in the right.
On another note I am sitting in his room right now talking to him and showing him your posts, just to clear it up he once again sais the man ran over his tip up, he yelled at him and the man turned around accellerated and hit him. His girlfriend is also here and she once again agrees. I feel like theres an echo in this forum since I seem to keep seeing the same story over and over, from the people who were there. Yes I was not there, but since I am sitting in the same room as both of them right now, and they are watching me type this, I would say I count as good source of info for you guys.
I hope that this post can now continue to accomplish what I intended it for. If you have something to say to Parker please by all means post. However if you plan to soak up the medias poorly collected information, please hold off on the negative posts.
yes we understand you have the victim party's side of the story. and you are their friend so of course you are going to believe them. we dont' know them from adam, and to most, something doesn't add up. what we hear is a guy for no reason ran over your buddy. thats it. it doesn't make sense. obviously its awful your buddy was hit by a snowmobile. that action is inexcusable regardless of what may or may not have happened.
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My best to you Parker, do get well soon.
If you need something to cheer you up a bit, just think of Jason Pepin of Escanaba, the young fellow that won $3000 with a four and a half ounce perch.
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Parker - best of luck to you with a full and complete recovery, very unfortunate circumstance for you.
X2 on Ms Girlfriend waiting on him hand and foot through the recovery period and a few months beyond to wean him off the waitress service. :P
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If I was the guy driving the snowmobile I would ask for a jury trial, you liable to get someone like this guy to help you out !
yes we understand you have the victim party's side of the story. and you are their friend so of course you are going to believe them. we don't' know them from adam, and to most, something doesn't add up. what we hear is a guy for no reason ran over your buddy. thats it. it doesn't make sense.
He not only has great insight about the situation but also know how everyone else observes the situation. Wow.
BOB
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The issue here is that someone would do such a thing. No matter what actually happened, someone actually used the snowmobile as a weapon. Although I have heard the same exact story from several of the close friends of Parker and the same story was posted on facebook the day it happened. Last year I had a guy come after my friends on snowmobiles on Big Breevort lake, and then after me screaming while I was walking behind just because they cut through the same area of someones tip-ups, which were A) Crossing the mouth of the bay, and B) way to far away from the shanty to be considered legal. They backed off Im sure because they seen I was a woman and told me I better watch out or next time it would be more serious after I explained to the guy that I was sure it was only an accident (not wanting to get into a confrontation with the guy). If you want to comment about the legitamacy of the story take it to another forum, whats more important was that the snowmobile was used to physically harm this person, and that the guy got a away with it, and to bring awareness to the ice fishing public. :tipup:
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Well freak, you obviously have a very limited understanding of physics. If the snowmobile had been at a stand still and the guy lunged forward from a short distance The sled would not have shattered both of his legs. Again he has a double compound fracture of his tibia and fibula in his left leg, and a straight break of the tibia in the right leg. These injuries resulted in two rods and screws in the left and a rod and srews also in the right.
On another note I am sitting in his room right now talking to him and showing him your posts, just to clear it up he once again sais the man ran over his tip up, he yelled at him and the man turned around accellerated and hit him. His girlfriend is also here and she once again agrees. I feel like theres an echo in this forum since I seem to keep seeing the same story over and over, from the people who were there. Yes I was not there, but since I am sitting in the same room as both of them right now, and they are watching me type this, I would say I count as good source of info for you guys.
I hope that this post can now continue to accomplish what I intended it for. If you have something to say to Parker please by all means post. However if you plan to soak up the medias poorly collected information, please hold off on the negative posts.
I am sorry for any speculation and the intent of my post was not to knock Parker. Tell him I hope he gets well and everyone else please take my idiotic anecdote as exactly that. I wasn't their and I wasn't involved. I did not have anything but media to go from and they do often twist stories. I simply gave my point of view on the information that has been provided. Some of it the media and or police said came from Parker himself (right or wrong). If it were a friend of mine, myself or a family member I would probably not appreciate false speculation. For that I do apologize sincerely. I was trying to paint a mental picture the most logical way possible. The event the way you told it is very hard to visualize. No motive no conflict just straight negligence followed by a u turn then a speedy attempted murder. Many psychopaths are out their so It may have happened just like that. It is just a stretch for the imagination so I stretched it to mold a logical situation. Please dont take my speculation to heart because that is all it is. I was trying to piece together a puzzle. I dont want to be burned for comments especially because I am on your side. I would prosecute this guy to the fullest even if I believed that Parker wronged him first. No excuses for what happened. I hope he gets attempted murder. If this guy has children I dont want him raising them. You know what I mean? The last thing we need is more Idiots with no regard for human life.
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People are making me feel as if I over stepped my bounds on this one. I may have and again I'm sorry. Please dont use this to judge my character. I was only piecing a puzzle. I feel for Parker. I did not mean it to be a negative post. If requested I will remove my first post but not to hide from what I said just to show courtesy because it rubbed a few the wrong way. Sorry again I truly feel bad for stirring the pot here.
Too much CSI and Law and Order for me.
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The thing is I can believe Parkers story because we had a knuckle head in our area that did something similar with his truck and got away with MURDER for about 6 years. The truck killing he was getting away with resurfaced when he and his brother ran down some deer with their snowmobiles and killed them. The state had to step in on the case with the human victim because the local authorities were letting him get away with murder. Here are the links.
http://www.waupacanow.com/courts/134707533.html - The deer case
http://www.waupacanow.com/courts/109062479.html - The human case
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People are making me feel as if I over stepped my bounds on this one. I may have and again I'm sorry. Please dont use this to judge my character. I was only piecing a puzzle. I feel for Parker. I did not mean it to be a negative post. If requested I will remove my first post but not to hide from what I said just to show courtesy because it rubbed a few the wrong way. Sorry again I truly feel bad for stirring the pot here.
Too much CSI and Law and Order for me.
This happens when people speculate
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we'd love to go find this cretin on the ice for ya.
maybe, leave him UNDER the ice
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh266/rsniders/100_1383.jpg)
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The last thing we need is more Idiots with no regard for human life.
Amen! And your right Freak, we did over judge your statements as well as others. And fully understand why, because there are always two tales to each side. And everyone here is letting their anger get out of control, due to the pure lack of respect towards one of our fellow sportsman. The guy will be caught one day and heald accountable. Till then, let us just all worry about Parker making a full recovery, and the law enforcement actually doing their job, and bring this criminal down.
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I think what people are failing to realize is that this isn't a movie. It doesn't have to make sense. We didn't pay a price for admission so it's not as if things have to add up or we will be upset.
It's 2012 and the world is a funny and cruel place at times. Are people to believe that there isn't some crazy reckless young 20 something who wouldn't just run down some person to further his power trip and feeling of deity status? I know it's not logical, but in the world today, there is a very good chance that is exactly what happened. It doesn't always make sense. Look at all the evil things people are capable of.
No one will know for sure, but at this point a victim is badly injured and should be getting the benefit of the doubt I would think.
Speedy recovery Parker.
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If I was the guy driving the snowmobile I would ask for a jury trial, you liable to get someone like this guy to help you out !
yes we understand you have the victim party's side of the story. and you are their friend so of course you are going to believe them. we don't' know them from adam, and to most, something doesn't add up. what we hear is a guy for no reason ran over your buddy. thats it. it doesn't make sense.
He not only has great insight about the situation but also know how everyone else observes the situation. Wow.
BOB
thanks!
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we'd love to go find this cretin on the ice for ya.
maybe, leave him UNDER the ice
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh266/rsniders/100_1383.jpg)
lol.
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I was the passenger in a buddy's boat once when another buddy backed his boat right into us.
If you ask me and the passenger in the other boat what happened you get a significantly similar set of facts from each of us.
If you ask each of us why it happened and/or how it came about, you get TWO very DIFFERENT stories.
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This past summer in Utah, three guys in a boat ran over a woman who was swimming across the lake. There is an area that is protected for swimming, but it doesn't go completely across the lake. They knew that they had hit something. They went back and apparently talked with her. They left her in the lake to die. Pretty damned cold if ya ask me. They had been drinking and smoking pot. It wasn't malicious. They didn't mean to run her over, but they were afraid to face up to the consequences of their actions. It took a while before the facts came to light. But someone knows what happened, and hopefully they have a conscience, and they will want to see things made right.
Best wishes for Parker.
Fishrmn
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i imagine the dude was probable plastered. thats usually how these stories go.
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Not trying to say anyone is being dishonest or inaccurate
Just that different perspectives of the same situation can be quite divergent
That being said, the only possible justification for a snowmobiler in this situation would be self defense (if the snowmobiler were in jeopardy of death or threatened with significant physical danger from another)
AND so far there is NOTHING to suggest that this was the case for the snowmobiler in this incident
Hopefully legal proceedings will flush out the facts as much as possible; although I realize all too frequently this doesn't happen
Bottom line regardless of all else; Praying for Parker's recovery
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Wow, lot's of armchair detectives chiming in here with limited information...
I wasn't there so I don't know what happened, other than a fellow sportsman was badly injured. Here's to a speedy recovery and swift justice.
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there is always a bad apple in the crowd that shines a bad light on a group of people in this case ice fisherman.
A snowmobiler hit an ice fisherman so this puts a bad light on us fishermen?? How'd you deduce that one??
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A snowmobiler hit an ice fisherman so this puts a bad light on us fishermen?? How'd you deduce that one??
To your point I should not have made that assumption and I apologize for that. The story just enraged me so much and I should not have assumed the person on the machine was an ice fisherman. That was a bad assumption on my part and in this case I appreciate you correcting me.
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No prob. I did not assume the driver fished at all.
A respectable icefisherman would offer a replacement trap of equal or greater value than the one he ran over, not ram into the guy who's trap he busted... >:(
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the driver of the sled ran over to guy. I don't care what was said or what happened in the past. wrong just wrong
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Its kind of crazy how this post changed from in the beginning to where it is now. In the beginning everyone was expressing there thoughts for Parker then it went to people assuming Parker had more to do with it than was said by his best friend. There were even a few that sounded like they were sticking up for the guy on the snowmobile.(crazy!) None of us were there so lets put Parker in our thoughts and prayers because no matter what Parker did or didn't do he DID NOT deserve to be run over. Parker you are in my families thoughts and prayers we all hope you make a quick and full recovery and get back out on the ice!
The Sandman's
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If the guy on the snowmobile felt threatened,he could of just driven away. If he thought that his life was in danger and had to use the machine as self defense don't you think he would have notified enforcement immediately to get his version out first instead of hiding? People are saying things "don't make sense, more to the story, etc". Why? Watch any news broadcast and you can see how messed up some people are. I hope your buddy get's well soon and justice is served.
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Wow, lot's of armchair detectives chiming in here with limited information...
I wasn't there so I don't know what happened, other than a fellow sportsman was badly injured. Here's to a speedy recovery and swift justice.
You hit the nail right on the head.
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The only time a man should physically hurt another man is when his own life or the life of another is threatened.
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The first time I read this story I got a mental image of a snowmobiler running over a tip-up and the icefisherman coming out of his shanty yelling and cussing at the snowmobiler, the snowmobile turns around and the driver says to the passenger "watch me scare the crap out of this guy" and guns the snowmobile and heads straight for the fisherman expecting him to jump out of the way in a game of "chicken"... well the fisherman doesn't jump out of the way and there's no way for the sled to miss him at the last second and the fisherman gets hit and injured and the sled rider takes off scared to death.
This may be completely different from what actually happened, but it's the mental picture I have of what happened.
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GCD, does it matter if he moved or not? Is it not the responsibility of the operator to be aiming the machine in a direction as not to harm someone/shatter both of their lower legs?
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Remember the thread on "do you carry on the ice"? Would have been a good time to be packin'
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GCD, does it matter if he moved or not? Is it not the responsibility of the operator to be aiming the machine in a direction as not to harm someone/shatter both of their lower legs?
No, the fisherman shouldn't have to jump out of the way of a speeding sled to save himself from injury, and yes the sled operator is at fault and liable for damages.
I thought it was quite obvious the sledder was operating his machine in a wreckless and dangerous manner and don't understand why he hasn't been charged with the laws that he broke.
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I'm bummed to hear about this and I hope they catch those resposible. I hope your buddy is able to recover OK from this.
I've had a few close calls on Houghton Lake in MI. I've done enough snowmobiling here to know that there are a lot of people out there that bar hop on their sleds. That is why I quit, it was getting way to dangerous out there on the trails.
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No, the fisherman shouldn't have to jump out of the way of a speeding sled to save himself from injury, and yes the sled operator is at fault and liable for damages.
I thought it was quite obvious the sledder was operating his machine in a wreckless and dangerous manner and don't understand why he hasn't been charged with the laws that he broke.
Don't let anyone tell you that they didn't think this out too. We are human and when we hear a story our brains automatically put the pieces together. If we didn't we would show no emotion toward anything. Some people hear what they want like "broken legs". Others hear it all. Selective hearing or reading in this case leads to others thinking that by not giving an opinion they are better. To those people I say, who's judging based on whats been written now? The fact that you commented on the entire situation instead of just the "broken legs part doesn't make self righteous people better than you. You were just expressing your thoughts just like they are toward your writing. WHAT A PICKLE HUH? How come painting pictures of a man who posted in a negative light is acceptable but it is not of an incident on the ice? Some people need to grow up and quit thinking they are better than others when nobody has expressed negative feelings toward Parker himself at all. What is it they are really trying to defend?
Get well soon Parker and the condemnation of the snowmobiler have always been at the forefront of every message regardless of the speculation portrayed of the incident. Some speculate and strive to know more. Free thinking is a good thing. Some sit and either accept or rebuke others opinions with no thoughts of their own. I say giving your overview/opinion of a situation is less condemning than the direct negativity received from that overview/opinion. That's just my opinion. What say you haters?
I previously apologized for my original post but now I'm defending all of those who gave an opinion of what they think may have happened. These opinions were all prefaced by, built in or followed by compassion for Parker and disdain for the snowmobiler. Its ridiculous that people are personally attacked for trying to make better sense of a public situation. I am disgusted by the level of self righteous ego displayed by way of hypocritical garbage. Nobody but the snowmobiler attacked Parker.
This is my opinion and my other opinion is that this thread be moved to avoid future conflict.
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Thought process based in reason produces logic-filled response
Thought process based on emotion produces specious-filled response
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The problem is that noone asked you (or anyone) to speculate as to what happened from your computer chair 600 miles away. The post was looking for information in order to catch a potential criminal, which obviously led to well-wishes for the injured. Calling people self-righteous for pointing this out? Not sure I get it. You can lead a horse to water...
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The problem is that noone asked you (or anyone) to speculate as to what happened from your computer chair 600 miles away. The post was looking for information in order to catch a potential criminal, which obviously led to well-wishes for the injured. Calling people self-righteous for pointing this out? Not sure I get it. You can lead a horse to water...
I am saying people are self righteous for attacking those who had a thought on the sequence of events. Another sequence of events is news stories break, evidence is presented and people have questions, comments and concerns. You and I both. I'm not wrong, your not wrong. Attacking others who expressed sympathy and chose to express a view of the situation IS WRONG. Simple as that. Don't twist what I posted. All of us had an opinion about O.J. for example. Many situations arise where all of us assume orders of events and how they may have unfolded based upon facts or evidence. Those who act as though they havent in order to attack those who did are implicating themselves as self righteous hypocrites. Thanks again.
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Some of us sit back and wait for the story to unfold before we make any comments.
I sit here behind my 'puter anxiously awaiting to hear what the police and DA do.
Once they have finished their investigation and acted on their information I will voice my opinion.
Until that point I will say get well soon Parker and not bother with speculation. ;)2
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Some of us sit back and wait for the story to unfold before we make any comments.
I sit here behind my 'puter anxiously awaiting to hear what the police and DA do.
Once they have finished their investigation and acted on their information I will voice my opinion.
Until that point I will say get well soon Parker and not bother with speculation. ;)2
You can breathe easier. This is my last post to this topic. If the DA and Police sat back awaiting more information, then what? They do what they do based on hunches and shreds of evidence. They continually speculate in order to develop truth. If something doesn't add up, you better believe they start thinking out scenarios. It may not be my profession but neither is ice fishing or landscaping or writing or any other arbitrary profession. Those who post on here are not the criminals. The snowmobiler is. Those who choose not to post their thoughts great. Those who do great. Those who think they should scoff at others for thinking, NOT SO GREAT!!!
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I'm thinkin' and chokin' on the redundant drivel. :cookoo:
We're pulling for you Parker. ;)2
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You can breathe easier. This is my last post to this topic.
Thank God
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Never in all the time I have read other fishing/hunting forums have I witness one individual pontificate about a subject as LSF has on this incident. Others have posted concern/best wishes without questioning the situation. He can't seem to understand why they don't question what happened/didn't happen.
As I posted earlier we may never know what actually happened outside what those involved supply in their statements. The police will look into their backgrounds, check to see if there is a criminal record, and how it might relate to the situation. If they don't find a criminal record they will interview neighboors, people at work/school to determine if there is a history of violence/acting out, etc. The only other possibility that under the pressure of an interview that one of the individual admits something, that they had not stated before. Or possibility that one of individual makes a statement to someone else and that individual supplies the information to the police.
I am not going to begin to speculate on what happen, hopefully Parker will recover fully.
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Isn't the point of this forum and of all message boards to offer opinions and such? I don't think people are trying to ridicule anyone who has posted here. I for one like the discussion. It brings up talking points.
However in this particular case its a bit different. This isnt some random news story that no one has "greater" insight on. Usually there, we all read a news story then post our thoughts and scenarios.
In this case however we have an insider, "lipripper" who has at least 1 side of the story and "facts" that were not printed or misconstrued in the news posts. So in this case I can see how riplipper or others would take offense to any scenario in which those "facts" are not used properly.
If it were my friend and I heard what he told me, I'd be pretty upset if people questioned his recollection of the events and tried to spin it a different way. If we just had a news story, i could understand the "maybe this happened, or maybe that happened". But again, here we have as close to the victim as we will get.
Had we not had Parkers story through lipripper and just went off the news posts, I could see speculation and guesses holding merit. But when he states there was no prior history between the assailant and victim, or that there was no argument, I for one take that as fact since there is no motive to lie. Parker has no reason to lie, no matter what he may have done to provoke anything, you can't run someone down with a snowmobile.
I just don't understand why it's so hard for people to believe in todays world that people would do something like this. I stated it before, people are capable of some pretty evil things, Parker's events don't make a lot of sense, but that doesn't mean its not true. I for one have no reason to doubt Parker or lipripper in what they have shared. They are offering this information in an attempt to help trackdown the suspect and shed some light to others about being wary of this happening to any of us.
I keep checking back in here to see updates in the chase for the suspect and see updates on Parker. But all speculation IS warrented. Like I said, it's a message board, this is what we do.
Tell Parker to keep up the good fight. These things while tragic, usually end up with people getting what they deserve.