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It's 24 degrees this morning on Wildcat Ridge in Rockaway. Next coldest spot is 25.7 in Oakridge in Jefferson according to the weather underground. Tonight is forecast to be 23 degrees. The wind completely died as of about 8 pm though at the Morristown airport and surrounding area. http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KMMU/2011/12/1/DailyHistory.html
I would have had a shot at getting out in CT Monday morning but the heavy wind on Friday night kept everything open and ruined any chances of that happening. Luckily there was no wind last night and a buch of places locked up. I could be in business by the end of the week. Let's hope for some more cold windless nights!
Like I said, pre lock up and after lock up the wind is good. It keeps the surface temp of the water and then ice..............ice cold!!!
Wind prevents water from freezing because of the surface movement and it breaks apart thin ice, and it eats away thick ice if there is any open water. After the ice forms wind makes it much more miserable to be out there. Windy days suck for ice fisherman.
Shanty needs to rethink this as well.That's only part true and not what I was saying at all. Both of us should have qualified our comments. I took it for granted that since we were talking about ice freezing that it was a given that ice freezes at 32 and nothing above that. Your comments above are only true if the air is warmer than 32 degrees.I was merely saying that the wind chill factor aids in making ice and helps to keep ice once it's formed since, for example, if the temperature is 32 outside and the wind chill factor is 25 then ice will be made faster and it helps to keep it chilled thereafter unless temps really warm. First, because the surface temp of the water is chilled to a freezing temperature faster with the wind than without it. Secondly, lets use your reasoning about windy days sucking for fisherman. The reason why a windy winter day sucks is because the wind chill factor makes you colder by taking body temperature away from the body as the wind carries your body heat from you. So the effect of wind on surface temps helps to chill those surfaces. However, saying that only means that ice forms only when the temp is at or below 32 degrees. Moreover, a wind chill factor of 10 degrees with a temp of 25 degrees will produce ice faster than if it was merely 25 degrees with no wind. This is simple logic and rational thinking. As far as wind preventing ice from forming I don't believe that is correct either if the temps are below freezing. Did you ever note when a body of water is forming ice near a beach (like Mt. Hope Pond) and the wind blows in toward the beach causing ice to form in layers upon the other layers that have already formed near the shoreline? This would continue to build up in thickness as well as outward toward the center of the pond. All ice forms from the shallower water to the deeper. Of course, then usually a calming of the wind enables the pond to lock up but wind cannot prevent it from happening unless it's a huge body of water, say like Ontario. Last December (2010) was windy the whole month, I know because I'm outdoors everyday and the ice locked up at Mt. Hope Pond early last year in spite of it being windy. Here's some pics below from last Dec. which I believe demonstrate what I am saying. Notice the white ice which has formed near the shoreline........it is layered and then thins as it changes to black ice............then another pattern of white ice which is layered then eventually the pond locked up the remaining surface with black ice further from shore. This is proof of what I am saying as I noted it first hand last year and drilled holes beginning close to shore and leading about 300' from the beach. The further from the beach the thinner the ice became. Why? Because the white ice formed in layers thus making it thicker because the wind was blowing water onto a frozen surface and forming more ice. Then the wind calmed and it formed some black ice, then more wind before it all locked up forming more layered white ice until finally on a calmer day or night the whole thing locked up with black ice. The subsequent wind chill for the remaining part of December didn't cause the ice to melt or break up but actually made it thicker since the wind chill factor made it much colder than 32 degrees for most of the rest of December. In fact Hopatcong also locked up pretty quick last year too because of this trend. They fished it on the 23rd of Dec. last year. From JigAwhopper on p11 Reports & Conditions Re: Hopatcong / Morris, Sussex « Reply #209 on: Dec 23, 2010, 10:15 AM »Quote Fished at the state park yesterday, straight out from the boat ramp. Ice was about 6 closer to shore but around 4" in some other places. Kind of windy and very slow. Some guys walked all the way across to the apartments on the other side. So I figure the whole bay is safe to walk on right nowhttp://www.erh.noaa.gov/er/bgm/wxtalk/script38.txt Especially paragraph 4 which states:-For example, a wind chill of 32 degrees does NOT cause water to freeze if the air temperatures is above freezing. However, higher wind speeds will help cool water faster, and if the air temperature IS below freezing, the wind will cause water to freeze faster.That's what I'm saying right there. Look at my post on 12/14/10 p3 and the pics I supplied in the link below. Note especially the 4th pic down in that post. I have reconsidered my own position on wind and it's positive effect in aiding the forming of ice. Notice also my many references to the wind prohibiting the forming of ice. In fact, I now believe it helped it not prohibited it. http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=128633.40
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