Author Topic: What are these? (Read 2555 times)

Joboo2334 · « **on:** Feb 07, 2014, 02:11 PM »

This is the second pond I've fished in with these clear larva. Normally both are good fishing but I haven't got a bite at either place.

Kevin23 · « **Reply #1 on:** Feb 07, 2014, 02:13 PM »

Hard to tell from the picture, but they look like some sort of freshwater shrimp or the like. Panfish food no doubt. Fishing is usually fantastic until they all get full on those things and then it sucks for a week or two.

Joboo2334 · « **Reply #2 on:** Feb 07, 2014, 03:56 PM »

Thanks

anderson_dc · « **Reply #3 on:** Feb 07, 2014, 06:06 PM »

They are phantom midget, not shrimp.

Kevin23 · « **Reply #4 on:** Feb 07, 2014, 06:29 PM »

Quote from: anderson_dc on Feb 07, 2014, 06:06 PM

They are phantom midget, not shrimp.

Who are you calling short!

I think you mean phantom midges

Idahogator · « **Reply #5 on:** Feb 07, 2014, 06:40 PM »

With such a prize winning photo, any guess is just that, best just print a copy and burn it.

On the other hand, hm, could it be mysis: malacostracan superorder Peracarida ?

Kevin23 · « **Reply #6 on:** Feb 07, 2014, 06:45 PM »

Well, there's your answer. We have narrowed it down to the superorder of phantom midget shrimp. I think I saw that on the menu at long john silvers last week.

Idahogator · « **Reply #7 on:** Feb 07, 2014, 06:49 PM »

Oh my, don't eat there, you're too young to die.

Stick around, we'll kill you with science.

Joboo2334 · « **Reply #8 on:** Feb 07, 2014, 07:40 PM »

They look like mesquito larva. Do they hurt the pond. Sorry about the crappy picture.

anderson_dc · « **Reply #9 on:** Feb 07, 2014, 07:41 PM »

Quote from: Kevin23 on Feb 07, 2014, 06:29 PM

Who are you calling short!

I think you mean phantom midges

LOL Dang auto correct.

Seen them in a couple ponds I have fished and asked a biologist about them. Good panfish food and generally come out when the substrate becomes anoxic.

Mr.Seaguar · « **Reply #10 on:** Feb 07, 2014, 10:11 PM »

an Iowa fisheries biologist told me less than 1% of all water bug type things have been identified.

Joboo2334 · « **Reply #11 on:** Feb 07, 2014, 11:14 PM »

Both these ponds seem like they're dead seas. I'm not even sure I marked a fish but those things make the vexlar look like a Christmas tree. The owner and I are both worried. These are my honey holes.

anderson_dc · « **Reply #12 on:** Feb 08, 2014, 03:45 AM »

Check them after ice out and see if there is a fish kill or not.

mjmeyer · « **Reply #13 on:** Feb 08, 2014, 07:20 PM »

As said, Phantom Midges. AKA Fish Food. The larval form of the midge, which looks like a mosquito without the biting mouthparts.

Joboo2334 · « **Reply #14 on:** Feb 09, 2014, 08:41 AM »

that is the critter messing up my fishing. Thanks for the help.

I've been ice fishing for years and have never seen anything like it.

blufloyd · « **Reply #15 on:** Feb 09, 2014, 08:48 AM »

hmmm I think I can fake those with fly tying bench.....

mjmeyer · « **Reply #16 on:** Feb 09, 2014, 12:00 PM »

Quote from: blufloyd on Feb 09, 2014, 08:48 AM

hmmm I think I can fake those with fly tying bench.....

I was thinking that, too. When you see tons of them like the photo, it may be the wrong time to mimic them, unless larger, fatter or maybe slightly brighter. Since they are probably always present (they won't emerge until spring), they could be a very successful ice-fly.

ASATMillerbluegill · « **Reply #17 on:** Feb 10, 2014, 07:10 AM »

toothfish · « **Reply #18 on:** Feb 10, 2014, 08:34 AM »

I have seen these twice. Both times they were abundant and came up in the hole immediately after drilling. Both times the ponds had suffered massive fish kills . No fish to keep numbers of these in check.
Good news is the fish stocked in these ponds grew rapidly the next two years. These ponds went through a drought and then heavy rains caused water level over vegetation which died and caused a low oxygen situation. That was the official DNR "cause of fish kill".

Joboo2334 · « **Reply #19 on:** Feb 10, 2014, 10:00 AM »

You re no fun at all toothfish. I was afraid of that though. The water even smelled funky.

ASATMillerbluegill · « **Reply #20 on:** Feb 10, 2014, 10:37 AM »

is this the midge that is responsible for EHD in deer?

mjmeyer · « **Reply #21 on:** Feb 10, 2014, 01:29 PM »

Quote from: ASATMillerbluegill on Feb 10, 2014, 10:37 AM

is this the midge that is responsible for EHD in deer?

"The Culicoides variipennis attacks in swarms with the Bluetongue virus; this can be devastating to livestock and is the most economically important arthropod borne animal diseases in the United States." - Wikipedia

BUT That's not the Phantom Midge: "A glassworm is a type of midge larva called Chaoborus. They are also known as phantom midge larvae, because they are transparent. They can be found commonly in lakes all over the world and can be up to 2 centimeters in length. Chaoborus adults do not bite or suck blood."- again Wikipedia

ASATMillerbluegill · « **Reply #22 on:** Feb 11, 2014, 09:16 AM »

Quote from: mjmeyer on Feb 10, 2014, 01:29 PM

"The Culicoides variipennis attacks in swarms with the Bluetongue virus; this can be devastating to livestock and is the most economically important arthropod borne animal diseases in the United States." - Wikipedia

BUT That's not the Phantom Midge: "A glassworm is a type of midge larva called Chaoborus. They are also known as phantom midge larvae, because they are transparent. They can be found commonly in lakes all over the world and can be up to 2 centimeters in length. Chaoborus adults do not bite or suck blood."- again Wikipedia

thanks!!!

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