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IceShanty Main => General Ice Fishing Chit Chat => Topic started by: ksgoosekillr on Dec 02, 2019, 07:12 AM
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If you own a flip over and are like me, the front bar on my Nanook sits about 4" above the ice no matter what i did to the fabric on the tub. So i decided to design and make my own set of wind poles to stretch the fabric down so the poles actually sits on the ice. Was actually pretty easy and poles came out great. No more hassling with snow on the skirt or something else holding it down on glare ice. No one makes a wind pole kit for all the sections, only the one pole from each manufacturer. The top two sections are too short to be able to use their poles.
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I believe clam sells a pole kit
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I believe clam sells a pole kit
please post a link, because this is all that I could find:
https://shop.clamoutdoors.com/adjustable-front-spreader-pole.html#181=
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nice job on the pole man.
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please post a link, because this is all that I could find:
https://shop.clamoutdoors.com/adjustable-front-spreader-pole.html#181=
I’m not sure about the bars/tent hoops on a clam but I do know otter has nice adjustable wind poles. It’s under shelter accessories at otteroutdoors.com I’m a otter fan and user
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http:// https://shop.clamoutdoors.com/parts/ice-shelter-parts/fish-trap-parts/replacement-poles.html
Hope this helps , give clam a call , I’ve always found them to be very helpful
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http:// https://shop.clamoutdoors.com/parts/ice-shelter-parts/fish-trap-parts/replacement-poles.html
Hope this helps , give clam a call , I’ve always found them to be very helpful
None of those are what this is? The only adjustable pole they make is too long to be used on the roof? They sell a flip roof pole that is fixed in length, but none for the second or third section. Quite frankly if they cant make the fabric correct to get the front bar to lay on the ice I have my doubts that the one roof pole they offer is the correct length to stretch the fabric. I think Ill buy the one they offer and see how it works compared to the one I made.
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I’m not sure about the bars/tent hoops on a clam but I do know otter has nice adjustable wind poles. It’s under shelter accessories at otteroutdoors.com I’m a otter fan and user
They offer the same one that clam does an adjustable one that is too long to be used on the roof. I checked there as well.
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http:// https://shop.clamoutdoors.com/parts/ice-shelter-parts/fish-trap-parts/replacement-poles.html
Hope this helps , give clam a call , I’ve always found them to be very helpful
also one other note, all of those poles are for 1 1/4" dia poles. The Nanook uses 7/8" poles.
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I made dropper bars for my flip over. This not only holds the front down, but the sides as well. On the really windy days i just hold the side bars down with my boots.
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I made dropper bars for my flip over. This not only holds the front down, but the sides as well. On the really windy days i just hold the side bars down with my boots.
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Sweet idea
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Sweet idea
You can use 1/2in metal EMT conduit if you want it more rigid. I went with the 1/2in PVC to keep weight down. This is my 3rd or 4th season with it and no issues yet. Nice part it, i can just pop it apart and replace it if a piece breaks.
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also one other note, all of those poles are for 1 1/4" dia poles. The Nanook uses 7/8" poles.
Oh so sorry , on another note I called clam you can buy the parts and make your own
Pretty simple , made a set few years back
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If you own a flip over and are like me, the front bar on my Nanook sits about 4" above the ice no matter what i did to the fabric on the tub. So i decided to design and make my own set of wind poles to stretch the fabric down so the poles actually sits on the ice. Was actually pretty easy and poles came out great. No more hassling with snow on the skirt or something else holding it down on glare ice. No one makes a wind pole kit for all the sections, only the one pole from each manufacturer. The top two sections are too short to be able to use their poles.
any links to source the parts you used?
we've been using conduit couplers for the longer poles. the end clips we buy from shelter manufacturer.
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any links to source the parts you used?
+1. Made a set out of PVC a few years back. They work fine, but I like your set-up better.
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My frabill came with them
you guys can use abs vs emt or pvc. It should be available at any plumbing supply in short 4' sticks in small diameters - a bit more durable than pvc in the cold
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any links to source the parts you used?
we've been using conduit couplers for the longer poles. the end clips we buy from shelter manufacturer.
I actually made the parts on a 3d printer. If enough guys were interested I could make complete poles for guys. If it isnt on a Nanook (what i have) id just need to know the diameter and rough length measurements. Would be easy to crank out now that I have design done.
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Oh so sorry , on another note I called clam you can buy the parts and make your own
Pretty simple , made a set few years back
only its not that simple. Clam uses a special thin walled aluminum tubing that comes in 21' sticks. So their fittings are made to the ID and OD of that tubing. That tubing comes with a nice hefty per foot cost of $7-18 depending where you order and the qty you order. Not the EMT i used and is found off the shelf at all hardware stores for $2-5 per 10 ft section.
IM assuming since you made your own then you know this already and had to have ordered this tubing making your total cost including the end fittings you ordered from clam and the tube cost WAY more than what most normal wind poles sell for?
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also one other note, all of those poles are for 1 1/4" dia poles. The Nanook uses 7/8" poles.
http:// In stockSKU 1167, 4915, 4123,1836,1840,1074
$9.99
PRE X-LINE YUKON SHELTERS: The front spreader pole allows for additional stability within your shelter. Adjusts from 39.5" to 72", with 7/8 x 3/4" & 7/8" x 7/8" quick connects (Compatible with 7/8"
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http:// In stockSKU 1167, 4915, 4123,1836,1840,1074
$9.99
PRE X-LINE YUKON SHELTERS: The front spreader pole allows for additional stability within your shelter. Adjusts from 39.5" to 72", with 7/8 x 3/4" & 7/8" x 7/8" quick connects (Compatible with 7/8"
you realize the pole i made is for the top two sections and is only 20" long give or take, the bar you have shown here is for the front of the flip over. Clam does not make a short adjustable pole for the roof sections.
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Just trying to help , yes I know what it fits
Like I said I made mine years ago
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Has anyone made a pole for the back of the shack, or used one? I think Clam makes one with a stud end to go into the top of the sled and connects to the bar above and behind your head as you sit. I was thinking of getting one for windy days when I've got my Kenai pointed away from the wind, there's quite a bit of flap going on behind me. I thought a pole with a slight outward bend would work best to remove the slop, but I see the adjustable one Clam sells is straight, though I suppose it has to be mainly straight to be adjustable.
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Has anyone made a pole for the back of the shack, or used one? I think Clam makes one with a stud end to go into the top of the sled and connects to the bar above and behind your head as you sit. I was thinking of getting one for windy days when I've got my Kenai pointed away from the wind, there's quite a bit of flap going on behind me. I thought a pole with a slight outward bend would work best to remove the slop, but I see the adjustable one Clam sells is straight, though I suppose it has to be mainly straight to be adjustable.
i use mine on my nanook every time i set up. It helps a lot. Clam is pretty proud of their poles, and the shipping is a killer. Even their smallest pole is $22+ to get it mailed to you. I have had enough guys message me that Ill pry offer a replacement pole kit for various shacks. I didnt really make mine for wind though, more to get the darn front hoop pole to rest on the ice. Something a lot of folks fight.
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Also i am not selling these here, just sharing my idea to solve that problem. Ill post up a before after pic of my Nanook with the bars installed once i finish making them.
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Looking forward to them 👍
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I saw the pole I need for my Kenai is $11, hard to justify double the cost of the product for shipping though. Dang.
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i use mine on my nanook every time i set up. It helps a lot. Clam is pretty proud of their poles, and the shipping is a killer. Even their smallest pole is $22+ to get it mailed to you. I have had enough guys message me that Ill pry offer a replacement pole kit for various shacks. I didnt really make mine for wind though, more to get the darn front hoop pole to rest on the ice. Something a lot of folks fight.
do you think it's shrinkage or just poor design? if it's shrinkage maybe the poles could be used to stretch it back out over time. maybe it needs to get wet and then sit them up to stretch it out.
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do you think it's shrinkage or just poor design? if it's shrinkage maybe the poles could be used to stretch it back out over time. maybe it needs to get wet and then sit them up to stretch it out.
little of both. The did not make the fabric long enough, combine that with material shrinkage and its causing the bar to sit 4-6" above the ice on most that I have seen. Some guys have left them set up on hot days but that is only a temp cure until it gets cold again. I am able to use the pole set to get it on the ice now every time.
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little of both. The did not make the fabric long enough, combine that with material shrinkage and its causing the bar to sit 4-6" above the ice on most that I have seen. Some guys have left them set up on hot days but that is only a temp cure until it gets cold again. I am able to use the pole set to get it on the ice now every time.
It maybe both I know that the shrinkage is a factor but my otter did that when I put together called them ushering some choice words and they said to undo the sides of canvas from sled leave set up to stretch a few days and repeat with the back after reconnecting the sides.
My thought is that it’s not a design flaw as much as trying to keep the customer happy by keeping the canvas nice and tight so as not to make noise in the wind
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Clam actually makes two adjustable poles that work with 7/8" uprights. One is a short one that only opens to around 34" and the other one opens to 72". Call Clam and tell them what you're trying to do and they will send you what you need. I know because when I tried to order adjustable poles as a "roof suppoet" for my older Jason Mitchell shanty, they sent me the short ones that did not open long enough. When I called them and told them that they misunderstood what I was trying to do and that what they sent me wouldn't work -- they sent me the longer ones free of charge. You can't beat that for customer service.
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Clam actually makes two adjustable poles that work with 7/8" uprights. One is a short one that only opens to around 34" and the other one opens to 72". Call Clam and tell them what you're trying to do and they will send you what you need. I know because when I tried to order adjustable poles as a "roof suppoet" for my older Jason Mitchell shanty, they sent me the short ones that did not open long enough. When I called them and told them that they misunderstood what I was trying to do and that what they sent me wouldn't work -- they sent me the longer ones free of charge. You can't beat that for customer service.
already been through that they dont offer an adjustable one short enough for the roof. smallest they offer is 29" in compressed length.
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Clam actually makes two adjustable poles that work with 7/8" uprights. One is a short one that only opens to around 34" and the other one opens to 72". Call Clam and tell them what you're trying to do and they will send you what you need. I know because when I tried to order adjustable poles as a "roof suppoet" for my older Jason Mitchell shanty, they sent me the short ones that did not open long enough. When I called them and told them that they misunderstood what I was trying to do and that what they sent me wouldn't work -- they sent me the longer ones free of charge. You can't beat that for customer service.
i just made my own for a fraction of what they charge plus its stronger.
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As you can see, the short poles they sent me are 21" when retracted:
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As you can see, the short poles they sent me are 21" when retracted:
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I called clam and was instructed what they sell is on the website, and they no longer sell that length. So maybe i spoke to the wrong person, do you have a part number?
https://shop.clamoutdoors.com/adjustable-front-spreader-pole.html#181=
why are you so hard up on buying from clam vs making your own? I can make 3 poles for $16.85 and still have material left over. I cant even buy one pole from them for that amount. AND they are MUCH stronger.
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SKU# is 4123 Shelter type is Legend Thermal Price is $19.98 for two, shipping was $11.45
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SKU# is 4123 Shelter type is Legend Thermal Price is $19.98 for two, shipping was $11.45
oh you mean this one for $9.99 for one pole plus the $11.45 shipping?
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That's the one. Hope it meets your needs.
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That's the one. Hope it meets your needs.
Do you work for clam?
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No
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Hey Ksgoosekillr, thanks for the information on the wind poles. I have contacted clam about the adjustable poles the ones for $9.99 for my Legend and was going to order two of them I do not paying in USD but the shipping for two poles shipped to Calgary AB CDN was $47.00. I would like just to build my own and am having a hard time finding the C-clips which are used to attach the pole to the hoop. Its really to bad Clam does not include theses poles with the flipover when purchased. This will be my first and last Clam anything. Would you have any suggestions what could be used instead of the C -clips. Thanks appreciate this thread.
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Fishdude - Go to the shappell website-click on the page for the bayrunners-'C' clips for the bar are $1.50 USD ea.
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Thanks Capt for the advise. I actually have a Bay Runner and the C-clips on the bar are a smaller dimension. The clam let's call it the porch loop poles section is different size tubing then the Bay Runner. It's really to bad a person can buy shelters here in CDN but really have no support. I did have eskimo products and they actually have a couple distributers here where replacement parts can be purchased, they have great service. Thanks again.
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Hey Ksgoosekillr, thanks for the information on the wind poles. I have contacted clam about the adjustable poles the ones for $9.99 for my Legend and was going to order two of them I do not paying in USD but the shipping for two poles shipped to Calgary AB CDN was $47.00. I would like just to build my own and am having a hard time finding the C-clips which are used to attach the pole to the hoop. Its really to bad Clam does not include theses poles with the flipover when purchased. This will be my first and last Clam anything. Would you have any suggestions what could be used instead of the C -clips. Thanks appreciate this thread.
I used a 3d printer to make mine to be able to use EMT tube. Unlike all the end fittings on all flip manufacturers who use aluminum thin wall tubing. Mostly because that thin wall tubing is very expensive if you dont buy in bulk.
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Fishdude - Go to the shappell website-click on the page for the bayrunners-'C' clips for the bar are $1.50 USD ea.
Might as well buy the complete pole if you choose that route because that fitting is made for aluminum tubing.
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Im beginning to see most of you guys are happy paying more in shipping than for an actual part and are against making anything. Especially something 1/3 cheaper and stronger. Real head scratcher
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Most shanties that need windbars come with them anyways..
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Most shanties that need windbars come with them anyways..
Did you read what im using these bars for??
Because it has zero to do with wind no shanties come with them.
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Did you read what im using these bars for??
Because it has zero to do with wind no shanties come with them.
yeah you should call clam.they probably will make it right.you got a lemon shanty sir.my clam scout xl came with a wind bar.so did my guide and ive had a nanook and didnt have problems with the bar not touching the ice.I would raise hell to clam to make it right if the tent is too small.
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There is literally a ton of threads all over the net about this issue. Its not just one lemon shanty. Also its not just clam.
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There is literally a ton of threads all over the net about this issue. Its not just one lemon shanty. Also its not just clam.
well that sucks.ive had shappell,clam and frabill flips and never had that problem.good luck with the windbars.
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I used a 3d printer to make mine to be able to use EMT tube. Unlike all the end fittings on all flip manufacturers who use aluminum thin wall tubing. Mostly because that thin wall tubing is very expensive if you dont buy in bulk.
Just go to your local camper dealer and ask for replacement c clips for a pop up camper they sell the ends you need and they fit the emt pipes that clam uses go to the hardware store and buy the emt conduit it's like 3.95 for ten foot section and make your own
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Just go to your local camper dealer and ask for replacement c clips for a pop up camper they sell the ends you need and they fit the emt pipes that clam uses go to the hardware store and buy the emt conduit it's like 3.95 for ten foot section and make your own
Or i can make my own for pennies and the adjuster center piece also.
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Im beginning to see most of you guys are happy paying more in shipping than for an actual part and are against making anything. Especially something 1/3 cheaper and stronger. Real head scratcher
So, are you for or against people making their own? Not everyone owns a 3D printer (congrats on owning one and using it). Seems others have offered alternative methods to procure a similar brace, or procure the parts if people do not have a printer at their disposal, but you think all of those methods are frivolous. I guess thanks for sharing what you made and shame on others for adding to the discussion.
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So, are you for or against people making their own? Not everyone owns a 3D printer (congrats on owning one and using it). Seems others have offered alternative methods to procure a similar brace, or procure the parts if people do not have a printer at their disposal, but you think all of those methods are frivolous. I guess thanks for sharing what you made and shame on others for adding to the discussion.
OK once again and for the umpteenth time, you can not go buy the parts to make your own unless you want to pay out the wazoo. All the fittings minus the popup camper fitting are for aluminum poles. aluminum isnt cheap. one C clip from the popup camper costs the same as an entire pole from clam. You can order the part from clam and pay out the wazoo for shipping. I also said i was thinking of offering to make people fittings or poles if enough were interested. but all everyone who has commented seems to do is suggest expensive alternatives even after i offered to make some if people were interested so by all means go pay $20+ per pole to buy from clam or attempt to make your own. but thank you for reading everything i wrote before replying.
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Seems to me your pushing a sell on here..
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Seems to me your pushing a sell on here..
actually I havent sold anything nor tried to sell anything. I said if enough guys were interested Id make some. There is no profit to be made on these due to shipping and material costs.
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actually I havent sold anything nor tried to sell anything. I said if enough guys were interested Id make some. There is no profit to be made on these due to shipping and material costs.
It's only a few Penny's plus the 3d printer cost and the plastic resin and the uv light I have made my own for less than 15 bucks and it was 2 of them they wasn't adjustable just cut to the length I needed for the top , my clam fish trap pro came with the rear pole support
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It's only a few Penny's plus the 3d printer cost and the plastic resin and the uv light I have made my own for less than 15 bucks and it was 2 of them they wasn't adjustable just cut to the length I needed for the top , my clam fish trap pro came with the rear pole support
actually I havent sold anything nor tried to sell anything. I said if enough guys were interested Id make some. There is no profit to be made on these due to shipping and material costs.
They just don’t get building something for yourself. I don’t have that type of printer and am not that technically handy. But I would build something b4 paying
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They just don’t get building something for yourself. I don’t have that type of printer and am not that technically handy. But I would build something b4 paying
I think people understand building something for themselves, this guy just has a weirdly defensive attitude. Like the guy that pointed out Clam does indeed sell a smaller adjustable pole than what the OP believed and rather than thanking the guy that corrected his misinformation, the OP decided to move the goalposts and go on a weird rant.