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Ice Fishing Tips -Check your local regulations! => General Tips => Topic started by: Air4Andy on Feb 16, 2007, 04:22 PM
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That is exactly my question. I just bought Y-Splitter and 2 5ft hoses so I can run a 20lb propane tank on my Mr Heater Big Buddy. I never thought about refilling a 1lb. I am pondering returning my $50 dollar worth of parts and buy a refill adapter. What do you think?
Also... question about the big buddy heater. Is it just me, or does your heater (when on high) turn off when the propane tanks are still like 1/2 or 1/3 full? Then you can turn it back on high again and it will stay lit for maybe 10 minutes. Turn it on again , then on for 5 minutes. I have to run the thing on medium for a while. Then the same thing happens. 10 min, 5 min, etc. Then low for ever to empty my 1lb tanks. I wish It would just run on high until the tanks are empty. Are your guys Big Buddy heaters the same? Thanks!
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you are not alone on this one....experience the same thing....drives you nuts....one of the biggest problems is too much air....what I did with mine, was wrap some electrical tape around the opening to restrict even the lightest amount of breeze that blows it out.....unless the tank is 3/4 full or more, it just poops out....danged if I can reason why.....sometimes I'd just like to boot the thing.....Grump
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If anybody has a propane heater that works like it's supposed to please tell us about it. I've got a Paulin model 5500 that I thought would be perfect for heating the shanty. It puts out 3500 btu's and is supposed to last 7 hrs on a single 16 oz. tank. Trouble is, unless it's over 20 degrees out it doesn't work. Dang thing runs for five minutes and shuts off.
I've also got a larger sunflower Mr. Heater that I use with a twenty pound tank, it won't work on the low setting and medium will drive me out of the shack, it eats propane and takes up too much room. I wish that little Paulin would work like it's supposed to, it would be perfect. I've called the company but all I get is an answering device and nobody ever calls me back. I've tried email on their website and get no response from that either.
So somebody, anybody, if you have one of these small propane heaters that works in cold temps like they're supposed to, please tell me about it ;D
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I have a Mr Heater Buddy Heater and have no problems at all.
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I forgot to mention that I also have an older Coleman 3000 btu that works of the 1lb tanks and will run a tank completely empty on low setting in about 6hrs.....Grump
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If anybody has a propane heater that works like it's supposed to please tell us about it. I've got a Paulin model 5500 that I thought would be perfect for heating the shanty. It puts out 3500 btu's and is supposed to last 7 hrs on a single 16 oz. tank. Trouble is, unless it's over 20 degrees out it doesn't work. Dang thing runs for five minutes and shuts off.
I've also got a larger sunflower Mr. Heater that I use with a twenty pound tank, it won't work on the low setting and medium will drive me out of the shack, it eats propane and takes up too much room. I wish that little Paulin would work like it's supposed to, it would be perfect. I've called the company but all I get is an answering device and nobody ever calls me back. I've tried email on their website and get no response from that either.
So somebody, anybody, if you have one of these small propane heaters that works in cold temps like they're supposed to, please tell me about it ;D
If you went to a bigger tank in colder weather, it would probably work fine. The tank takes the air temperature to make vapor for usage when it is called for. The smaller the tank, the less surface area to pull heat from. When it gets too cold for the tank to make vapor, your heater will take all the vapor out of the tank and refrigerate it. This means no more vapor for your heater to run on. When you shut off your heater, the tank will build up more vapor and then will run for awhile more, until the tank refrigerates again. That is why 1# tanks are almost worthless in cold weather. Just a few words of advice from Hank Hill.
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Why won't my Mr.Heater work on low with the twenty pound tank then ???
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It sounds like something is wrong with the temperature adjustment.
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Dont get me wrong, this heater (Big Buddy) works awesome!!! I just cant seem to empty the 1lb tank. It'll drain until 1/4 left or so and then turn Off like I said. My real question is... Is refilling a 1lb tank worth it or a hastle???
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You can refill a 1# with an adapter that you can buy, but I would never refill a 1# tank. They are not meant to be refilled.
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I use a sunflower type of heater. I purchased a 5lb refillable propane tank for it. Not as bulky as a 20lber and has enough propane in it to last the day. It did cost me as much as a 20lb tank though. Just another option for you.
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Don't get me wrong, this heater (Nig Nuddy) works awesome!!! I just cant seem to empty the 1lb tank. It'll drain until 1/4 left or so and then turn Off like I said. My real question is... Is refilling a 1lb tank worth it or a hastle???
[/quote} Lowe's was 2.25 each and i bought a case.They only lasted 3 weekends,The better is 20 lber but they are very heavy although they will last for several weekends.Biggest problem with the 1 pndrs is they freeze up fast and when you use the large BTU heaters the liquid propane can't turn into gas fast enough.I have at least 10 different heaters and my fav is the big buddy. :)
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if your going to refill the 1lbs a couple things to know. when they are empty put them in the freezer first they fill much better and are less likely to leak. if you fill them while warm they tend to get froz open and leak. good luck.
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You can refill a 1# with an adapter that you can buy, but I would never refill a 1# tank. They are not meant to be refilled.
That refilling move doesn't always work. Some tanks will fill, others will not. Even same brand tanks. Adaptor? Save your money! Rich
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When I want portability, light weight yet a good quantity of propane, I use my 5 lb tank instead of my 20 lb tank.
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I love by Big Buddy! I did go with the 20 lb tank... AWESOME! Lasts many trips. U Haul refills the tanks and will charge according to how much propane is put in, not a flat rate. Works awesome!
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One of the earlier posts had the answer to the 1#/big heater problem: the colder it is, the slower the LP evaporates, also the higher the load, the colder the tank becomes, chilling the LP even more, slowing the evaporating even more,yada, yada,
end result: less fuel in tank, less output available. there is probably a safety in the heater that closes the valve if the pressure is too low, shutting it off.
as to refilling: if you're not completely comfortable and knowledgeable about refilling propane, stick with the proffessionals, pick up a 5 or 10 lb'er. ;) :tipup: better safe to fish another day than save a couple bucks
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I have a Mr Heater Buddy Heater and have no problems at all. I like using a 20lb tank, I don't like running out of fuel midday.
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Yeah my Big Buddy does the same- runs great until about a quarter full- then she shuts down and the 1 lbs cylinders get cold and covered in frost. I, too, am going to switch over to either a 5, 10 or 20 lbs tank. Personally, I don't use my gas grill in the winter, so I will probably just use the exchange tank off of it over the winter.
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Best bet is to keep the propane tank a bit closer to the heat source. That way, the liquid fuel will be warm and will continu to give off vapours until the tank is empty.
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Best bet is to keep the propane tank a bit closer to the heat source. That way, the liquid fuel will be warm and will continu to give off vapours until the tank is empty.
The 1 pounders go in the side- no control over how close they get to the heat source
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You can refill a 1# with an adapter that you can buy, but I would never refill a 1# tank. They are not meant to be refilled.
I do refill my 1 pounders several times before I throw them away. Keep your 20 pound cylinder warm and your 1 pounder cold. In the freezer or a cold garage will work. The only thing to watch out for is the seal in the neck of the 1 pounder. If the seal gets bad by repeated use and refills, it will slowly leak, and its time to throw it away. If you do get a slow leak after filling, use a brass punch (repeat brass...not steel to avoid a possible spark) to re-seat the seal. If it wont seat. screw it on to your heater to keep from losing the gas. Then dispose of it when its empty.
Another thing to remember is only fill to 80 percent full. Thats what the new ones are filled too. This is to allow for gas expansion when the cylinder is in a warm environment. Chances are you wont get it past this anyway but some will over fill. Also, the 20 pound cylinder has to be upside down to allow the 1 pounder to be filled with liquid , not just gas.
All in all, its not much different then refilling refillable butane lighters.
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I have 2 big buddy heaters (bought a new one was going to return the other due to fan failure (my fault) but my conscious got to me so I have two) the issues I had with the heater was when it was really cold outside (0 degrees is spring weather) it would not run on high so this year I'm going to try to use a 30 lb tank and get the tank off the ice maybe that will work better By the way I called Mr heater about buying a new fan Assembly they are warrantying it for me :)
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I use an 11# propane tank that isn't the tall type. It is shaped kind of like a donut. It seems like propane vaporizes according to the surface area of the liquid in the tank. The reason I use this type of tank is that it vaporizes well. I use it for my buddy heater and for my Paulin sunflower type and it works well in all temperatures.
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To help in transporting your 20 lb, use a plastic milk container ( the ones thart hold 4 gal.) it just fit and will not tip over, and when out on the ice set the tank on top of it to keep it off the ice or use it as a table for table for you fish finder or your under water camera.
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I doubt getting the tank off the ice is much help. When it's -20, the surface of the ice is -20. The best thing to do is to keep the tank warm. Bring it inside the shanty and let the heater keep it warm too. I you could even lower it through a hole in the ice. The water is above freezing temperature....lol.
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I you could even lower it through a hole in the ice. The water is above freezing temperature....lol.
Actually that is true. 32 degrees is will promote better "vaporization" then 0. But with a 20 pound tank, you would need a pretty big hole. Bigger then legal size, at least here in Ohio.
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Actually....it started out as a joke but the more I think of it, the better it sounds. The bottle would surely float. If not, a small chain nailed to the wall of the ice shanty could be used and as the bottle emptied, it would get more boyant. The chain would be needed if the hole has started to freeze up and you would have to whack away around the edges of the hole to recuperate the bottle. You could make the hole in the ice shanty and having the bottle under the ice would give you more room in the shanty. I think that my joke has become a serious option.
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I use an 11# propane tank that isn't the tall type. It is shaped kind of like a donut. It seems like propane vaporizes according to the surface area of the liquid in the tank. The reason I use this type of tank is that it vaporizes well. I use it for my buddy heater and for my Paulin sunflower type and it works well in all temperatures.
Thanks dawg I think I'm going to have to try one now. :)
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Actually....it started out as a joke but the more I think of it, the better it sounds. The bottle would surely float. If not, a small chain nailed to the wall of the ice shanty could be used and as the bottle emptied, it would get more boyant. The chain would be needed if the hole has started to freeze up and you would have to whack away around the edges of the hole to recuperate the bottle. You could make the hole in the ice shanty and having the bottle under the ice would give you more room in the shanty. I think that my joke has become a serious option.
Now I've heard everything there poss. is to hear. As I'm shaking my head while reading this. Oh boy!!!! Some peoples kids. ;D
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I'm sure I've read this somewhere - perhaps on here even - cant you paint your bottles black to help absorb some heat? (Talking for the 20lb tanks - I like to set mine outside the shack and run the hose under one of the flaps.)
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Thanks dawg I think I'm going to have to try one now. :)
dd, I think you will like it. It should vaporize about like a 20 pounder.
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I'm sure I've read this somewhere - perhaps on here even - cant you paint your bottles black to help absorb some heat? (Talking for the 20lb tanks - I like to set mine outside the shack and run the hose under one of the flaps.)
In Iowa, anyway, they won't refill them or excahnge them if they're anything other than factory issue white. I was talking to the Cenex guy the other day and he said that alot of the duck hunters waint to pain theirs camo, but it's illegal as all get out....
-Munchy
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You could make the hole in the ice shanty and having the bottle under the ice would give you more room in the shanty. I think that my joke has become a serious option.
Hmmmm.........Actually, you'd have to drill a series of auger holes in the ice to make the hole large enough to house the cylinder, particularly the 20 # tank. What you could do is drill the ice cavity just deep enough to come close to the rim that holds the handle holes, then drill one corner of the cavity right down to the water. As it floods in, you'd have the tank safely in the water, unable to sink (if it sinks at all), and held stationary by the sides of the ice hole. (Sorry for getting off-topic here).
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Here is some info from another board that kinda says why they go out when its cold:
Whether a 100# tank (or multiple smaller tanks ganged together) is needed depends on how cold you want to be out in and how many BTUs the heater is. Give us that info and we can tell for sure. There are certainly situations where some commonly sold vented and unvented heaters will need a 100# tank in MN.
The required cylinder size depends on the combination of:
- BTU draw
- tank temperature
- size of the tank
- how full the tank is
This is due to a physical property of any liquid turning to a vapor, called vapor pressure. The propane in the tank is pressurized into liquid, and we burn the fumes off it.
Propane does not evaporate below -44 deg F, it stays as liquid. As you get closer to -44, less and less liquid evaporates to vapor, thus, less pressure. And that vapor pressure drop off FAST below 30 degrees!:
30 deg = 40% of 80 deg pressure
0 deg = 20% of 80 deg pressure
-20 deg = <10% of 80 deg pressure
Both the vented and unvented heaters, if not supplied with enough pressure (read: BTUs), may not run reliably or safely with too low of a pressure - because if the heater is not getting enough propane for its BTU rating and design, the thermocouple may not get hot enough and the heater can shut down.
Example: If you have a 35,000 BTU heater, and run it off a 20# tank at 0 degrees, you are probably going to have some problems. Like wise for a 75,000 BTU heater and a 100# tank - you would need two 100# ganged together for -20F to push that amount of BTU for more than a couple hours.
And to make things worse for us all, as you draw down the propane tank, you get less and less pressure, too. Here's a BTU chart of temp and fill level for a 100# tank - its proportionally less for smaller tanks. This means that the colder it is, the less usable propane there is, even in a full tank!
As you can see below, 0 deg F and a low 100# tank brings low BTU outputs into play that approach the BTU outputs of common BTU-sizes of vented and unvented heaters. Halve those 0 deg F numbers on the left side (approximately) for -20 deg F.
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VAPORIZATION RATE - 100 lb. Propane Cylinder (Approx)
Pounds of propane in cylinder Maximum continuous draw in BTU/hr
at various temperatures in degrees F.
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pounds
of
propane 0° 20° 40° 60° 70°
100 113,000 167,000 214,000 277,000 300,000
90 104,000 152,000 200,000 247,000 277,000
80 94,000 137,000 180,000 214,000 236,000
70 83,000 122,000 160,000 199,000 214,000
60 75,000 109,000 140,000 176,000 192,000
50 64,000 94,000 125,000 154,000 167,000
40 55,000 79,000 105,000 131,000 141,000
30 45,000 66,000 85,000 107,000 118,000
20 36,000 51,000 68,000 83,000 92,000
10 28,000 38,000 49,000 60,000 66,000
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This chart shows the vaporization rate of containers in terms of
the temperature of the liquid and the wet surface area of
the container. When the temperature is lower or if the container
has less liquid in it, the vaporization rate of the container is
a lower value.
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Also - Smaller tanks' behave differently than you would expect, too. I.e., A full 30# tank DOES NOT put out 45,000 BTU at 0 deg F like a 100# tank with 30 pounds in it does - it is actually less. This is because there is less liquid volume below the liquid-vapor interface.
That's it from Dr. Science - remember, he's not a real doctor, he's just a kook.
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lol wont let me post the other board lol
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I have a vented heater and when it gets really cold I pull the hose in, bring the tank inside the shanty, hook it back up and restart the heater. As long as my tank and fittings aren't leaking I don't have a problem with it. :o
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When the heater starts fading, you can swirl the propane container to get some pressure. Only the tanks with a hose going to the heater. I would wait for the heater to go out or shut it off for a mounted tank. The shaking or swirling momentarily doubles the surface of the liquid and makes more pressure. Same effect as shaking up your buddies beer before you give it to him. It works for a little while.
Another thing to do with a "remote" bottle is to hang it from the roof of the shack. If you get the propane up higher where the most of the heat is, the tank will keep its pressure up.
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I had a problem refilling 1 pound tanks on a cold day last week and came up with a solution. The 1 lb tanks would only fill about 10%, I believe because they were the same temp as the 20 lb tank (both frozen in the garage). What I do now is fill them up a little and then put them in the heater and turn the heater on, in a few minutes the tank will be covered with frost and really cold. I then remove the tank and refill with my adapter. The refilled tanks are as full as when you buy a new one, that never happened before.
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Refilling 1# tanks is simple you just have to be safe, keep all 1# bottles COLD freezing cold and either keep or get your 20# tank warm like 60 degrees or so I kept mine in the house for a night (you may not want to do this with a fresh filled tank). After all that take the tank outside and connect the 1# tank flip upside down and open the valve, now listen to the propane transfer when you hear it stop its full, I weigh them to see where there at, an empty tank weighs .15 or so.. after I fill them they weigh 1.15 +/- and if the valve sticks at the top I tap the tank upside down on a 2x4 or poke the valve with a small screwdriver. I keep all my refilled bottles in the shed (its not air tight) I do cover the valve with duck tape to keep out dirt. Mr. Buddy heaters I seem to hear alot about how they dont work correctly, I have used Mr. heater before but I now use my Reddy Heater Hot Spot its an over kill (15-25,000BTU) but I use it in my garage as well so double purpose and it only cost 69.99 OH! you can cook on it as well.
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update! This year I bought the quick disconnect hses from mr heater able to run 2 big buddies on high without a shut down due to propane issues best deal yet now to get some of those covers made for over the pilot light!
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I use an 11# propane tank that isn't the tall type.
What's the name and where do you get them.
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I've been able to refill the 1# tanks to around 50% with the adapter and starting out with them in the freezer.I was fortunate to get a 5# bottle for free on a job I was on this
summer and for me it's a perfect size.One bottle as compared to 3 or 4 to bring.Home Depot had them for about $37 last time I looked.
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D.O.T. regulations actually make it illegal to TRANSPORT refilled 1 lb cylanders. It is legal to refill them, although not recommended... just not transport them. As far as your heater going out when you still have propane, you may be using the propane faster than it can evaporate from the 1 lb cylanders. you would probably have more luck with say a 10 lb tank. Just my thoughts.
Dave
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Dont get me wrong, this heater (Big Buddy) works awesome!!! I just cant seem to empty the 1lb tank. It'll drain until 1/4 left or so and then turn Off like I said. My real question is... Is refilling a 1lb tank worth it or a hastle???
ive tried it and you can only fill them 70%full.... just use your 20lb or buy new 1lbrs
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I'm sure I've read this somewhere - perhaps on here even - cant you paint your bottles black to help absorb some heat? (Talking for the 20lb tanks - I like to set mine outside the shack and run the hose under one of the flaps.)
You can.... and it would absorb more heat, but that makes it illegal to refill then.... at least technically. They may still refill it, but they aren't supposed to... just an FYI.
Dave
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I use a 10lb tank on my Mr HEATER IT WORKS GOOD AND LASTS A LONG TIME.
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HOLD ON, HOLD, ON.... I just read on the back of my 1 lb. tank and it says "DO NOT REFILL"... "IT IS AGAINST STATE LAW TO TRANSPORT THESE TANKS IF THEY ARE REFILLED?" Read the back! I have seen the refill adapters at gander mountain though. **censored**????
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You can.... and it would absorb more heat, but that makes it illegal to refill then.... at least technically. They may still refill it, but they aren't supposed to... just an FYI.
Dave
you can paint them according to NFPA it "should"be in a reflective color But there is an exemption use in cold weather climates
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I too have been having the problem of my big buddy going out. What I did and it has cured the problem, I made cup holders out of foil bubble foil for the 1lb tanks to sit in and that helps keep the cylinder from getting cold and frosted up, therefore keeps the pressure from dropping in the tank and now my big buddy rarely goes out. Hope this tip helps.
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They say right on the back of them NOT to refill
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Why won't my Mr.Heater work on low with the twenty pound tank then ???
when using 20 lb tank a filter is a must because of the moisture that is in bulk tanks
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That is exactly my question. I just bought Y-Splitter and 2 5ft hoses so I can run a 20lb propane tank on my Mr Heater Big Buddy. I never thought about refilling a 1lb. I am pondering returning my $50 dollar worth of parts and buy a refill adapter. What do you think?
no need to split the hose you can hook to one side of the bigbuddy either side it dont matter propane will not leak out the other side even when there is nothing hooked to the otherside just as long as you use a filter to keep out any moisture present in the propane you will be fine
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How much does it cost you guys to refill a 20 pounder?
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85 cents a pound here
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about $1/lbs here
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Just bought the "Big" Mr. Heater. I love the settings from 4,000 BTU to 18,000 BTU and the fan helps to get pushing the heat in a hurry.
It takes 2 one lb tanks, or you can hook up a hose to a larger tank.
I bought mine at Fleet Farm, and they had portable tanks in 2 1/2 lb, 5 lb, 11 lb and 20 lb.
They also had 80 and 100 lb tanks, but that would be for a more permanent setup.
If you buy a hose, get the green one, then you do not need the filter.
The problem isn't with the moisture in the tank, it's with the crude that happens in the hose.
If you don't buy the green style (they are more expensive) or can't find one, make sure to get a filter.
Hope this helps,
Wiener
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you're absolutely right, the hoses without the plasticizer do not require a filter. Mr Heater sells these hoses as well.
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Has anyone tried filling the 5# tanks?
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ive been refilling for a year now...and NEVER a problem. saves LOTS of money and who did you ever hear of getting in trouble for refilling tanks... how will they know anyway??!!! just my 2 cents. Rebel.
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ive been refilling for a year now...and NEVER a problem. saves LOTS of money and who did you ever hear of getting in trouble for refilling tanks... how will they know anyway??!!! just my 2 cents. Rebel.
The propane in the 1lb cyl has two unique characteristics .
1st, its dryer that does not mean less water. It means it has hardly any other petroleum products (makes it cleaner to burn) in it compared to the propane delivered to your home or the company that fills your larger dot cyls.
2nd propane has no smell they add an oderant to let you know it's there. The oderant in the disposable non-refillable tanks is differant from the oderant used in all other propane so it can be tested to see if it was refilled.
Are they going to come busting in to your garage and arrest you? No, but burn something down, cause property damage, or bodily harm and or death, yes you will be prosecuted under the laws regulating this.
I believe the fine is up to $500,000 and 5yrs, more if they can prove arson or negligent homicide.
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the odourant in the 1lbs bottles is indeed the same as the odourant in regular refillables (Ethyl Mercaptan)
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Note 2: The use of 1.0 pound of ethyl mercaptan, 1.0 pound of thiophane, or 1.4 pounds of amyl mercaptan per 10,000 gallons of liquefied petroleum gas shall be considered sufficient to meet the requirements of Sec. 173.315(b)(1). This note does not exclude the use of any other odorant in sufficient quantity to meet the requirements of Sec. 173.315(b)(1).
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i have the same problem with my big buddy in real cold temps. when that happens i just bring the tank inside the shanty with me, making sure it is behind the heater or atleast 2 feet to the side of it. that helps keep the temp of the gas high enuf to promote evaporation.
as to the question of weither or not it is worth filling the one pound tanks off the bulk 20 pounders, i say definately! financially atleast it is. for instance, where im from, a one pound cylinder costs 2.75-3.00 and a 20 pound cylinder costs 18.00 normally a 20 pounder is actually filled to a weight of 17.5 pounds of actual propane. the math of it is pretty simple 18 bottles x 2.75= 49.50 ( if ya bought new cylinders each time ya needed them) OR.................17. 5 pounds / 18 = .97 cents. its a no brainer to me, i'll refill my own and save the money for the important things like beer and hot damn schnapps LOL
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Soooo.. when was the last time you guys have heard of some guy getting blown to bits because he refilled his propane cylinder?
No they aren't made to be refilled over and over and over. The metal is thin and rusting could eventually make them weak and the seals could eventually wear out too. I see nothing wrong with refilling them a few times.
I just think it's silly people think they magically become a fire hazard if you refill them once. If you're really that scared, what are you doing on a frozen lake? I'm sure you have a higher chance of falling through.
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gee nobody says anything about filling 5lbers off of your 100 lb tank or 40 lb tanks (40 easier to turn upside down)....
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Soooo.. when was the last time you guys have heard of some guy getting blown to bits because he refilled his propane cylinder?
No they aren't made to be refilled over and over and over. The metal is thin and rusting could eventually make them weak and the seals could eventually wear out too. I see nothing wrong with refilling them a few times.
I just think it's silly people think they magically become a fire hazard if you refill them once. If you're really that scared, what are you doing on a frozen lake? I'm sure you have a higher chance of falling through.
AMEN!
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Soooo.. when was the last time you guys have heard of some guy getting blown to bits because he refilled his propane cylinder?
No they aren't made to be refilled over and over and over. The metal is thin and rusting could eventually make them weak and the seals could eventually wear out too. I see nothing wrong with refilling them a few times.
I just think it's silly people think they magically become a fire hazard if you refill them once. If you're really that scared, what are you doing on a frozen lake? I'm sure you have a higher chance of falling through.
You asked so here you go
Suit alleges defective coupling caused fatal propane fire
2/27/2008 11:00 AM
By Michelle Massey, Texarkana Bureau
K-M Products MacCoupler
MARSHALL -- Gary Wayne Suggs, 51, was attempting to refill a propane container in a fifth-wheel trailer when a flash fire occurred, causing fatal injuries.
Gary's father, Billy Ray Suggs, alleges a defective coupling caused his son's death.
Billy Ray Suggs, individually and as estate representative, filed a product liability suit against K-M Products Inc. on Feb 25, 2008 in the Marshall Division of the Eastern District of Texas.
According to the original complaint, the deceased was attempting to refill a DOT-39, 1.02-pound propane cylinder from a 40-pound propane cylinder using a MacCoupler.
According to the K-M Products web site, the MacCoupler is the company's chief product, which it has been making for more than 20 years. It is used to fill 1 pound refillable propane cylinders with any 20 to 40 pound propane tank.
"It's easy and cost effective," the web site states. "Made of solid brass, the MacCoupler will last a lifetime and is a welcome addition to anyones camping gear, tool chest, or their RV or camper."
The web site includes downloadable instructions for proper use of the MacCoupler.
The plaintiff alleges K-M Products Inc. is liable because the coupler did not have sufficient, appropriate or securely affixed proper warning labels. Further, the plaintiff argues the defendant failed to use proper materials for the coupler and failed to adequately test or inspect the product and its components. The complaint states that the defendant knew the coupler was defectively designed and manufactured.
Suggs believes K-M Products is guilt of gross negligence and argues the company's conduct was heedless, reckless and with a conscious indifference to the welfare and safety of his son.
The plaintiff is seeking wrongful death damages for emotional pain, grief, and sorrow, and pecuniary losses including loss of care, maintenance, support, services, advice, counseling and losses by virtue of the destruction of the parent-child relationship. On behalf of the deceased, the plaintiff is seeking damages for pain and suffering, funeral and burial expenses.
Tyler attorneys John D. Sloan Jr. and J. Ryan Fowler of the Sloan, Bagley, Hatcher and Perry Law Firm and Kilgore attorney Thomas H. Brown are representing the plaintiff.
Judge T. John Ward is assigned to the litigation.
Remember DOT-39 is designated for disposable non-refillable cylinders, and their claiming their product is only for REFILLABLE CYLINDERS, good luck finding one
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If one person has an accident, does that mean it's always unsafe? How do we know this guy wasn't careless? What was he doing refilling it IN a trailer? This guy doesn't sound too careful.
Do you stop filling your car gas tank? Do you stop talking on your mobile phone? Each of these situations have killed someone (yes a phone exploded and severed a man's artery) If these propane products were that unsafe, trust me, they would be OFF the market. Yes everything has a risk. Fill you tank outside, not in an enclosed area like this doofus. Don't fill it around electrical equipment or someone smoking. Don't give the fuel a chance to ignite and it won't ignite. If the cylinder leaks when you're filling it, then stop immediately!!
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Ha!!! IN the fifth wheel trailer. Can you say pilot light??
Yes folks there is a human food chain and this feller was fairly low.
What no one else is gonna tell you is that a good majority of accidents with propane are caused by careless handling by those that manufacture/ sell and handle gasses professionally. not by end users
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I use a fiberglass tank that I can see the level of fuel
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I use a fiberglass tank that I can see the level of fuel
I have the 11 lb fiberglass great tank!
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2) "(yes it is illegal and I can prove it)"
Please do so, we've been thru so man of these threads where people say this but no one has yet given any concete evidence to support it. We've seen much to the contary however. I would welcome someone in the definite "know" to bring this to light.
DOT-39 disposable cylinders are manufactured under DOT guidelines because they contain and allow the handling and transportation of a HAZARDOUS MATERIAL listed as UN1075 (United Nations listing number used all over the world for the easy identifcation of hazardous materials)
They are manufactured with a one time use valve.
That does not refer to the amount of times you connect and disconnect your torch, heater, lantern, because in these situations only PROPANE VAPOR passes through the valve.
It refers to the amount of times LIQUID PROPANE is allowed to pass through the valve in order to fill container.
Here is a short list of just some of the regulations GOVERNING these cylinders due too if I listed all, it would be overkill (and possibly crash the site)
I excluded anything that dealt with COMMERCE so no one can say these do not pertain to a private individual, and went no where near the regs in the Homeland Security Act pertaining to acts of terrorism, (Did you know that by law if you are lying in a ditch alongside the road dying and I go by and see you I cannot stop and assist you because you might be a terrorist and setting a trap to steal my vehicle and use it as a weapon)
(5) Registration by DOT is required of any individual to fill with Liquid Petroleum Gas (LPG) any DOT container of less than 200lbs. water capacity which comes under the jurisdiction of DOT (this is the only one I should have to post It says it all short and sweet, but going to use to separate different areas of info )
N.F.P.A.58
6.5.1- Liquid propane shall be transferred into containers, including containers mounted on vehicles, only outdoors or in structures specially designed for that purpose according to code
7.2.2.1 -Transfer of L.P.-Gas to and from a container shall be accomplished only by qualified individuals trained in proper handling and operating procedures meeting the requirements of section 4.4 and in emergency response procedures
7.2.2.7- Containers shall be filled only after determination that they comply with the design, fabrication, inspection, marking, and requalification provisions of this code
7.2.2.8-“Single trip,” “non-refillable,” or “disposable” cylinders shall not be refilled with L.P.-Gas
(5) Registration by DOT is required of any individual to fill with Liquid Petroleum Gas (LPG) any DOT container of less than 200lbs. water capacity which comes under the jurisdiction of DOT
Subpart C—Specifications for cylinders
§178.65 Specification 39 non-reusable (non-refillable) cylinders
(i)(2)(viii)(A) For cylinders manufactured prior to October 1, 1996: “Federal law forbids transportation if refilled-penalty up to $25,000 fine and 5 years imprisonment (49 U.S.C. 1809)” or “Federal law forbids transportation if refilled-penalty up to $500,000 fine and 5 years imprisonment (49 U.S.C. 5124).”
(i)(2)(viii)(B) For cylinders manufactured on or after October 1, 1996: “Federal law forbids transportation if refilled-penalty up to $500,000 fine and 5 years imprisonment (49 U.S.C. 5124).”
178.65 Specification 39 non-reusable (non-refillable) cylinders
(a) Type, size, service pressure, and test pressure. A DOT 39 cylinder is a seamless, welded, or brazed cylinder with a service pressure not to exceed 80 percent of the test pressure. Spherical pressure vessels are authorized and covered by references to cylinders in this specification. (1) Size limitation. Maximum water capacity may not exceed: (i) 55 pounds (1,526 cubic inches) for a service pressure of 500 p.s.i.g. or less(i) Markings. (1) The markings required by this section must be durable and waterproof. The requirements of Sec. 178.35(h) do not apply to this section. (2) Required markings are as follows: (i) DOT-39. (ii) NRC. (iii) The service pressure. (iv) The test pressure. (v) The registration number (M****) of the manufacturer. (vi) The lot number. (vii) The date of manufacture if the lot number does not establish the date of manufacture. (viii) With one of the following statements: (A) For cylinders manufactured prior to October 1, 1996: ``Federal law forbids transportation if refilled-penalty up to $25,000 fine and 5 years imprisonment (49 U.S.C. 1809)'' or ``Federal law forbids transportation if refilled-penalty up to $500,000 fine and 5 years imprisonment (49 U.S.C. 5124).'' [[Page 895]] (B) For cylinders manufactured on or after October 1, 1996: ``Federal law forbids transportation if refilled-penalty up to $500,000 fine and 5 years imprisonment (49 U.S.C. 5124).'' (3) The markings required by paragraphs (i)(2)(i) through (i)(2)(v) of this section must be in numbers and letters at least \1/8\ inch high and displayed sequentially. For example: DOT-39 NRC 250/500 M1001. (4) No person may mark any cylinder with the specification identification ``DOT-39'' unless it was manufactured in compliance with the requirements of this section and its manufacturer has a registration number (M****) from the Associate Administrator. [Amdt. 178-114, 61 FR 25942, May 23, 1996, as amended at 65 FR 58631, Sept. 29, 2000; 66 FR 45389, Aug. 28, 2001; 67 FR 51654, Aug. 8, 2002; 68 FR 75748, 75749, Dec. 31, 2003]
(5) Registration by DOT is required of any individual to fill with Liquid Petroleum Gas (LPG) any DOT container of less than 200lbs. water capacity which comes under the jurisdiction of DOT
(g) No person may represent, mark, certify, sell, or offer a packaging or container as meeting the requirements of this subchapter governing its use in the transportation of a hazardous material unless the packaging or container is manufactured, fabricated, marked, maintained, reconditioned, repaired, and retested in accordance with the applicable requirements of this subchapter. No person may represent, mark, certify, sell, or offer a packaging or container as meeting the requirements of an exemption, a special permit, approval, or registration issued under this subchapter or subchapter A of this chapter unless the packaging or container is manufactured, fabricated, marked, maintained, reconditioned, repaired, and retested in accordance with the applicable requirements of the exemption, special permit, approval, or registration issued under this subchapter or subchapter A of this chapter. The requirements of this paragraph apply whether or not the packaging or container is used or to be used for the transportation of a hazardous material.
(5) Registration by DOT is required of any individual to fill with Liquid Petroleum Gas (LPG) any DOT container of less than 200lbs. water capacity which comes under the jurisdiction of DOT
Below is a link that describes all the required markings on a cylinder that is allowed to be refilled DOT-39 disposable cylinders have no markings stamped permently into them as required in order to be refilled The reason is they can not be refilled
http://www.propanesafety.com/Resource%20Library/Gas%20Check/Gas%20Check%20Cross%20References/gc3.2.1.pdf (http://www.propanesafety.com/Resource%20Library/Gas%20Check/Gas%20Check%20Cross%20References/gc3.2.1.pdf)
(5) Registration by DOT is required of any individual to fill with Liquid Petroleum Gas (LPG) any DOT container of less than 200lbs. water capacity which comes under the jurisdiction of DOT
If you still doubt, call the manufacture of these cylinders and asked them, I did . The employee I talked to was dumbfounded that any one would even try to refill one. They also can prove that what I state here is true It’s where I got some of the info.
The cost of two these cylinders is less then I pay for a dozen medium minnows that may or may not catch enough fish for a meal yet 1 cyl will keep me warm for 8 hrs.
I don’t understand all the posts on here about all the expensive electronics, augers, and shelters, and so on then the same posters want to save less then the cost of a dozen minnows and place not only themselves but possibly others in danger.
It makes no sense .
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hey...that's more like it. Now things are getting useful.
qualified persons to transfer liquid propane to containers is indeed enuff for me to say you are correct. It is indeed illegal to refill. Doesn't mean people are gonna stop doin it and highly unlkely any agency is was or ever will police it except at the commercial level.
I'll give up on all the rest due to being tired of it all......you win, I wanna get back to fishin
You say you don't understand why people do this?? Because risk vs reward is high. Is there a risk? yes. Is there a reward? yes. Here a 1lbs cylinder is touching $5 each at Wallyworld now. $13.99 if you by 3. As far a discussing electronics and costs of equipment etc, well not everyone out there has all the toys due to finances and even if they do it may be due to saving a few bucks here and there. My case
I do really appreciate you posting something mre concete regarding legalties. It really is the first time I've seen anthing. Right under my face too,I should have picked up on that little detail. still doesn't change anything tho. people are still gonna do it.
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when I last looked I stopped at the hardware store picked up 2 pack of I lbs for 3 bucks so why wastes time turn on the heat cut a hole and fish!!!!!
after all thats why were here
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around here their 5.00 for 2. i went to menards and bought the fittings to make my own filler adapter. cost me about 13.00 .it should be elbowed so 20# bottle can be sat upsidedown and 1# bottle hanging off it right side up.
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I bought the refill adapter and after some trial and error I was able to refill the 1# tanks successfully. I have a Mr. Heater Buddy, a Coleman SportCat and a couple of lanterns that I take depending on which FT I'm using. (Scout = Sportcat & single mantle lantern, Yukon = Mr. Heater and double mantle lantern if needed) I bought the 5# tank and hose to run the Mr Heater off of and it works fine. Had the tank get 3/4 covered by snow last weekend and it kept on chugging away.
The debate about refilling the 1# cylinders will continue. I am not going to say anything that will end it. Determine risk, decide if you are willing to accept it, and if so, manage the risks to reduce the chance for an accident or injury. For me, both refilling and using a 5# tank works.
Jeff
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when I last looked I stopped at the hardware store picked up 2 pack of I lbs for 3 bucks so why wastes time turn on the heat cut a hole and fish!!!!!
after all thats why were here
were did you get a 2 pk for 3$$???????????????????????????????????
they caost like 5 or 6 $$ :-\ :-\ :-\
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Just filled 9 for the first time tonight.Wow thats easy and cheaper than the store. Whats the difference in filling them and someone filling your 20 pounder,not much. I have to refill the tank on my forktruck at work everyday not really any dif.
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As long as you don't do it near open flames it shouldn't be very dangerous. Even if you have bad luck and some gas shoots out... big deal because you should be doing it OUTSIDE. And don't use the same tank for 5 years because they DO RUST. You don't want a rust hole blowing open while you are sitting in your flip over.
99% of all the bad things that happen in the world are because people are being careless. Just like people using the turkey deep fryers inside their garage or on their wood deck. If you prepare for the risks then you won't have problems.
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wow this really sux. I just got the MacCoupler. The economical reasons are obvious. Also it seems better as far as recycling to get more than 1 use out of each 1lber. "Save the enviornment" is on the package. Why would they sell it if its too dangerous? On the back it says..........
Refilled cylinders not to be sold or transported in Commerce.
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What's that Barny Fife line....."you know what happens next, Bluey!"
I have been told of a $50,000 fine for filling larger bottles with the old style valves, the new ones have a triangle like handle. It costs about $25 for the valve replacement.
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opd valves but remember 40 lb and over are exempt or "special use" smaller ones
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What's that Barny Fife line....."you know what happens next, Bluey!"
I have been told of a $50,000 fine for filling larger bottles with the old style valves,
That's only directed at retail outfitters, right? Kind of like all the OSHA rules? It's a hazard to have a hammer with a broken handle but I could have a million of them at home and the rules still don't apply.
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Yes, I bet your right! The hammer is a very good example. I have a few myself. Old ladders is another one.
Thanks,
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I sometimes refill the 1# bottles myself. I do it outside and where there is no open flame or anything .
Sure you only get them 3/4 full or so but in Alaska they are way spendy to buy all those 1#ers.
If you are worried about the bottles rusting and such mark the date of first use on them in sharpie and discard the old ones every so often. Also helps to spray with soapy water or dip the threaded end in a bucket of water tpo check for leaks before you bring them inside.
CHRIS
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I got a small Coleman Black Cat. Works great, one pound bottle lasts between six and seven hours on high. Keeps the chill off late season bow hunting in my pop-up, and in my little Clam Jr. I live in Northern Wi. close to the U.P.
I also have a Big Buddy. It also works great, too great for my pop-up and little Clam Jr. but it heats my 12X20 uninsulated work shed just fine.
I also refill 1 lb. bottles, and the first day I see road blocks set up checking my propane bottles I will quit doing it. (not really, I'll just get sneaky about it.)
All my stuff is almost new so that may be why they work good.
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Just ordered a 5 pound LP tank for ice fishing. Hope this will be the best of both worlds. Tired of the tanks that leak, freezing fingers and tanks that won't fill completely. Might be some extra weight and $100 for the tank and hose but the garage/porch and shed won't have green tanks everywhere anymore.
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fill the 5 lber from your 20 lber
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fill the 5 lber from your 20 lber
How do you do that?
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if you have the new style 5 pounder just have it filled as you would a BBQ 20lber. Same price per pound anyway.
If you have an older style tank with the older valve you can us one of these: Click on it to see the price.
(http://www.protanksupply.com/images/productimages/copperhogtail.jpg) (http://www.protanksupply.com/propane-pigtails_detail.asp?ID=4022)
You need the donor tank upside down and the receiving tank right side up.
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Does anyone know if you can fill a 20 gallon tank from a large home propane tank?
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sure if you can tip it upside down lol
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Ya...,I kinda figured. ;D
Thanks
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I fill the one pound tanks all the time, have the 1lb tanks cold ( put in freezer) and the 20lb tank have at room temp
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I bought one of the adapters at Tractor Supply and tried filling some 1 pounders but they all leaked out when I unscrewed them from it. Anyone else have this problem?
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I bought one of the adapters at Tractor Supply and tried filling some 1 pounders but they all leaked out when I unscrewed them from it. Anyone else have this problem?
Are you just removing them when complete or slowly pulling them off. I'm grabbing at straws here, as I have never had a problem. I just fill them, unscrew them and pull them off. Maybe if your slowly pulling them off the valve stays open, OR your small bottles are shot?????
There is a slight relief when pulling them off, but not much. ???
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They are completely leaking out. The valve must be sticking. Maybe because my 20 pounder is outside in the cold? I read back a few pages to try tapping them on a board to get it to seal. I'll try that.
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They are completely leaking out. The valve must be sticking. Maybe because my 20 pounder is outside in the cold? I read back a few pages to try tapping them on a board to get it to seal. I'll try that.
The twenty pounder needs to be inside the 1 pounder should be frozen. Your probably have a liquid flow back situation going on?
Once you warm your twenty pound (room temp) and freeze the one pounder then try it again. I hate following directions myself, but stuff seems to work better when you do.
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I keep a 20 lbder in the closet, and leave the 1 lbder out side. When it real cold out , then bring it in, screw it on and open the valve on the 20 lbder. It helps if I turn the 20 lbder upside down while filling, and shake it a little. When it stops making noises, your full, or you 1 lbder wasn't cold enough. Start over if not full.
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I can only use my 20 lb tank down to about half full and then it won't get hardly any in the small tank. Is this true for everyone else or are you able to use most of the 20 lb tank?
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i have no problems using mine past half way just make sure your big 1 is warm little one is coldddddddd
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My last short fill was because my 20lb. went dry. The one before that was ok.
I'll probably start a fight, but I think the guys that are having problems AREN"T following directions. BIG bottle WARM (ROOM TEMP 65-70F minimum), LITTLE bottle COLD, the colder the better (I freeze mine in the freezer over night, unless below zero outside). Big bottle turned UPSIDE DOWN. Big bottle valve WIDE OPEN 60-70 seconds.
Occasionally you get a bad bottle, that's the way things go. Mostly it works GREAT!
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Slightly different train of thought, buy a 5lb tank, get it filled at Costco for $3.45, no mess no fuss. Maybe keep one 1lb as a backup and not use it unless absolutely necessary. No need to buy any adapters or take a chance of a 1lb tank venting(maybe in the trunk of the car as you're rolling down the road. Sooner or later the 1lb tank valves go bad, so then you need to buy another and another, etc, that after 8 or so 1 lb tanks adds up to a brand new 5lb tank. A 5lb tank good for 10 years.
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Slightly different train of thought, buy a 5lb tank, get it filled at Costco for $3.45, no mess no fuss. Maybe keep one 1lb as a backup and not use it unless absolutely necessary. No need to buy any adapters or take a chance of a 1lb tank venting(maybe in the trunk of the car as you're rolling down the road. Sooner or later the 1lb tank valves go bad, so then you need to buy another and another, etc, that after 8 or so 1 lb tanks adds up to a brand new 5lb tank. A 5lb tank good for 10 years.
You are totally correct if your using a Big Buddy type heater. I have a Big Buddy, and use the larger tanks for it. I also have a Black Cat that I use for my Pop-up deer blind, two man tree stand, and Clam Jr. The Black Cat uses the one pound bottle as an integral part in positioning it to stand. I also admit to the possibility of the small tanks venting in your trunk, as I would have to yield to my gas tank leaking, catching a spark, and blowing up while I was driving.
Life is full of choices, some easy, some hard.
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Comes down to...sacred, don't refill...not sacred, refill. I'm not sacred. Btw I have a Dyna Glow...I think, and it only won't work when it gets all full of snow.
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Comes down to...sacred, don't refill...not sacred, refill. I'm not sacred. Btw I have a Dyna Glow...I think, and it only won't work when it gets all full of snow.
Ahmmm! I think you mean scared. I refill, but I do go to church on Sunday. I'm by no means sacred, but I do try.
Only funnin' you, I flip letters all the time.
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It's the t9 on my phone...thought that looked funny.
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Here is what can happen when you don't know what you are doing with propane!
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee250/gasman707/scan0001.jpg)
The cylinder (the one in pieces) was over filled by an untrained individual. Luckily no one was injured!
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and every year we see the disasters of using fire works. Bottom line is we are dealing with one pounders being filled by 20 pounders (20lbs when topped off).
Good God do you still drive a car after seeing photos of a car accident. Do you still fly after seeing plane crashes, do you go up in a high rise after 9/11. Stuff happens, I have yet to see a disaster from filling a one pound container.
If you don't want to fill them DON"T!
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Here is what can happen when you don't know what you are doing with propane!
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee250/gasman707/scan0001.jpg)
The cylinder (the one in pieces) was over filled by an untrained individual. Luckily no one was injured!
Hearsay until you provide a link. Considering you stole it from the site and uploaded it to your photobucket account does not make it real. "Edit: Ok, it's a scan"
All I see is a metal recycling platform next to a dumpster with a few physically damaged cylinders and some other metal sheets, screening and angle iron. No evidence of an explosion or fire, it's someone's trash pile. Maybe something crushed those other bottles but at least tell us the story. Where, when, etc...
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Hearsay until you provide a link. Considering you stole it from the site and uploaded it to your photobucket account does not make it real. "Edit: Ok, it's a scan"
All I see is a metal recycling platform next to a dumpster with a few physically damaged cylinders and some other metal sheets, screening and angle iron. No evidence of an explosion or fire, it's someone's trash pile. Maybe something crushed those other bottles but at least tell us the story. Where, when, etc...
I can not provide a link, it's being kept in house if you get my drift. And I didn't steal anything and greatly resent that insinuation!
All I trying to do is provide the other side of the story so a fellow fisher person doesn't get hurt attempting something they probably shouldn't from bad information posted by others who really have no idea and probally think its as simple as putting gas in your ice auger!
Ok, here are the facts, as I know and can report them .
I received this from my employer during a monthly safety meeting as part of our training.
This happened in the south this winter during the extreme cold spell we all heard about on the news.
It was at a beverage distributors warehouse during business hours which helped to minimize damage.
The cylinder was filled by an untrained employee early in the morning when the temp was very low.
The cylinder was past its re-qualification date and never had the relief valve changed as required.
The employee over filled the cylinder and as it warmed up significantly during the day, the propane expanded, the relief valve failed to open to release the excess pressure causing the cylinder to bleve (explode).
The released propane found and ignition source (as of yet unknown ) which then caused the other cylinders to release propane and increase the fire ( black charred metal and melted crash posts I believe are proof of a fire).
The metal and screening you see in the picture is whats left of the protective cylinder cage!
I do believe the employee and the manager who allowed him to work with no training are now on Obama's stimulus plan.
(Now here are some links, I don't believe researching the internet is stealing! Especially seeing I including the sources.)
NEVER BRING A PROPANE CYLINDER INTO YOUR HOUSE if you want to know why just do a news search on PROPANE FIRE every week. The amount of them will amaze you and most are from a portable heater and do it yourselfers like this genius! http://www.lakenewsonline.com/news/x1694765798/Rubber-water-hose-determined-as-cause-for-explosion (http://www.lakenewsonline.com/news/x1694765798/Rubber-water-hose-determined-as-cause-for-explosion)
Here's another one that no one could have seen coming due to someone Else's stupidity. How would you like this to be your son? He was only doing was his job at a hardware store that entailed filling customers cylinders when they brought them in. http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1287950.shtml?cat=1 (http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1287950.shtml?cat=1)
We all tell others to please be safe on the ice constantly on this site. So, let's be safe!
What I'm trying to say is please think before you try to fill these cylinders cause it is quite dangerous even if you know what you are doing, and please don't post how to!
There are children on here, as I'm reminded every time one of my posts are removed due to a reference to a naughty word (2 removed due to replying to a post with a reference in it, and 1 scolding for a joke about a worm and hair spray).
Here's the thank you one fisherman received for taking and friend fishing,
http://www.wisbar.org/res/capp/z1997/97-1420.htm (http://www.wisbar.org/res/capp/z1997/97-1420.htm)
And finally, I DON'T CARE IF YOU REFILL, YOUR LIFE NOT MINE! Just be smart and safe about it, and if you don't know do you really think you should tell others?
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I'ts still a personal choice. Those who are againt don't have to do it.
we are not talking about using garden hose to hook these 1#ers to our buddy heaters. Nor are we talking about refilling cylinders that once held other gasses.
I didn't read the whole page on the court case but saw where it said he was negligent in maintenance or inspections of a gas lantern. It did not specify that he was using refilled 1# cylinders. It could have been but it wasn't stated in what I read. All of the references in the previous post are good reminders to be careful with any hazardous gasses or other hazardous substances.
All refilled 1# bottles should be checked with soapy water for leaks.
People get hurt all the time even with non-hazardous stuff.
care and caution should be used whenever propane is used .
When I was a kid my dad kept a case of dynamite in the shop on the farm to take care of beaver dams. We never had an incident with it and it never caused any bodily harm or property damage. We were careful with it and I never was allowed to handle it myself. I would bet one stick of dynamite is probably more damgerous than a 1# propane cylinder.
I think refilling these cylinders can be done safely by those who take care and use the precautions stated by others previously. I personally haven't seen or heard about any cases involving 1# cylinders. I am sure they have caused injuries but it is probably not happening very often. If you feel it is that dangerous then maybe you should not use it at all even in larger cylinders.
just my $.02 Chris
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Gasman,
I apologize for my grammar. It was a poor choice of words. I was having an all thumbs moment and could not spell 'plagiarize' correctly in it's reference to using a picture gathered from the www so I wrote 'stole' instead. There was no harm intended your way.
I did not mean to infer you were a thief.
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Gasman,
I apologize for my grammar. It was a poor choice of words. I was having an all thumbs moment and could not spell 'plagiarize' correctly in it's reference to using a picture gathered from the www so I wrote 'stole' instead. There was no harm intended your way.
I did not mean to infer you were a thief.
According to Merriam-Webster Dictionary (giving credit where credit is due)
Main Entry: pla·gia·rize
Pronunciation: \ˈplā-jə-ˌrīz also -jē-ə-\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): pla·gia·rized; pla·gia·riz·ing
Etymology: plagiary
Date: 1716
transitive verb
: to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
Now you're just being vexatious, and still calling me a thief!
(Infer means to :to guess; speculate; surmise (also form websters) Now you're flat out telling me I'm a thief)
No where in the post did I take credit for, nor claim ownership over the picture or links. The picture was provided by my employer to me in training and I made that clear in the last post.
You clearly don't understand the intent of my posts on this subject, so *let me be clear* and explain.(*favorite saying and quote of Barack Obama, who I did not vote for but, will accredit this saying too, to avoid all future charges of stealing and plagiarism*)
1) If I get one person stop and think maybe I should be more careful about this, I've got a base hit!
2) If I get one person decide it's not worth it, and stop all together, I've hit a homerun!
3) If I get one person who has never done this and is researching it decide, "No way, it's not worth it!", I'm denting cars and busting windshields in the parking lot!!!
(These people will not be the first nor the last that I have saved from harm due to the hazards of propane use)
I thought the purpose of this site was for ice fishermen to share their knowledge and experiences too help others enjoy the sport and have fun.
Besides fishing and hunting my knowledge is wood working (10yrs building $250,000-$750,000 homes), driving (cdl/all endorsements and over 500,000 miles with no violations/accidents), and now the propane industry after 2 injuries took me out of the building industries.
I've personally delivered to, and repaired all most all styles of propane containers. My total amount of propane handled and delivered will break the 10,000,000 gallon (yes,that's 10 million) mark before this fall. If you have a question about propane I have, or know the person with the answer! I am not an expert, nor claim to be! I am a certified professional in numerous aspects of the industry, therefore I post the knowledge I have on to those who have asked. I have never started any of these topics on this subject just answered questions with the facts. If you disagree, prove me wrong and I will apologize. As of yet no one has been able to come up with anything except "it's not illegal to fill them just can't sell or transport in commerce", And I've proved this wrong also!
I also have all the proper equipment and tools to fill this style of cylinder. This equipment and tools can not be used (I do not and will not use, nor post info on to any who ask) because the refillable cylinders are no longer produced, nor can they be recertified in order to be filled due to legislation caused by accidents, injuries, and lawsuits!
You will not find posts on this site from me about flashers (and may other topics), I don't own one, and my only knowledge of them is from this site therefore I can not contribute, only read, use, and enjoy. I appreciate the info others post and with it plan too make that purchase someday.
You can bust my marbles all you want, and I will keep posting. So, why don't we just go fishing!
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time to bump this back to the top for the propane augers!!! >:D >:D >:D >:D
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I refill my 1# bottels all the time. They don't last forever, but I get at least five fills before the valve gets leaky.
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time to bump this back to the top for the propane augers!!! >:D >:D >:D >:D
Let sleeping dogs lie Maine, let them lie!! :) :) Fin
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As of yet no one has been able to come up with anything except "it's not illegal to fill them just can't sell or transport in commerce", And I've proved this wrong also!
Gasman.... can you post that info again?? I know that I agree with you 100% and I've been looking for that info for a long time... maybe some others should see it as well....
Thanks!!
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time to bump this back to the top for the propane augers!!! >:D >:D >:D >:D
You are pure evil Hazzy. ;)
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I've just put a 20# on mine. Will use it day after tomorrow
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Dont get me wrong, this heater (Big Buddy) works awesome!!! I just cant seem to empty the 1lb tank. It'll drain until 1/4 left or so and then turn Off like I said. My real question is... Is refilling a 1lb tank worth it or a hastle???
No ;)
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tank gets to cold try keeping it warm with a wrap or up of the ice. propane wont flow as good in the cold cold
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I bought a 6# from Fleet Farm. It has a pretty small foot print.
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Am I missing something here? I thought several years ago the 20 lb propane tanks were changed out with valves that don't operate upside down.
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I use a sunflower type heater from Walmart and a 10 lb. propane tank. Sits in an old milk crate perfectly!!!
Never had a freezing issue at all and lights up instantly! I burn it on low in my 949I hub and it's GREAT!