Ya, I was on Sylvan one year, before the pay to play started. When 2 young beards came out, set up right behind me and there weren't that many guys out right then. They commenced to tell me that they were out the day before and got 200 gills and were planning on getting 300 that day. I told them 25 was about all I wanted to clean! The funny thing was I got my 25 and left and I didn't see them catch hardly any. Maybe Mother Nature was sending a little payback. Hex