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Vermont => Ice Fishing Vermont => Topic started by: Akbl4 on Mar 10, 2018, 06:00 PM
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Anyone know how the ice is on the Piermont setback?
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Just went out today. Still plenty of ice. Soft on top with some snow but decent underneath. No plank needed to get on either
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Thanks
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Anyone know how much snow this area got and how thick the ice is?
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Can you buy bait in Vermont to use at the setbacks?
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Can you buy bait in Vermont to use at the setbacks?
Yes NH has no bait rules/bait slips.
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Yes NH has no bait rules/bait slips.
Thanks!
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Anyone know snow and ice conditions?
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If you find out please let me know headed up tuesday next week Thank you
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Just FYI you cannot but bait in Vermont to use on the setback.
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Just FYI you cannot but bait in Vermont to use on the setback.
This is true but all you have to say (If even asked) is that you purchased the bait at Blah blahs NH bait shop.Vt. bait is certified(supposedly) and most NH dealers buy the exact same bait. It is a stupid rule for the Conn. river as folks can enter from the Vt. side with Vt bait but can't enter from the NH side with VT bait .
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The CT river is in NH. You can't take live bait in to NH weather your walking on ice or driving. Only licensed bait dealers. NH doesn't have a live bait Law but you can't transport it into the state.
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Went to the setback last night. 12-14 inches of is but none of it is very good. Be safe. Bite was very slow.
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The CT river is in NH. You can't take live bait in to NH weather your walking on ice or driving. Only licensed bait dealers. NH doesn't have a live bait Law but you can't transport it into the state.
The Conn. river divides Vt. and NH. ::)
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NH owns the CT river. It separates the two states but it is owned entirely by NH.
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NH owns the CT river. It separates the two states but it is owned entirely by NH.
Vt resident fishing license is good on the Conn. river to the NH high water mark or first bridge (I don't remember which it is ). That pretty much covers the river though.
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You are right you can fish the river with a resident Vt. license. A non resident VT fishing license is no good on the river. it is still HN waters to the first bridge on VT side and the hight water mark. I got a good education on this when fishing the setback. My wife and i were ice fishing and got checked by an NH warden i had a VT Resident and NH non Resident license. My wife (an NH Resident) had her NH resident and VT non Resident. Thinking it didn't mater witch one she showed him she handed the VT.
That was my first lesson of the day. VT resident only. her NH license was ok of corse. Next lesson. Our bait. he asked where i got it and i said Ed's in Hartford VT. He informed me about the law of bringing bait into NH and gave me a written warning. i said we and hundreds of others have fished the river for years bring bait onto the river especially ice fishing. The next day call NH fishing game and talked with them about this. They said the law has been on the books for years but not enforced but the warden was following the book and since then i have talked to others that have received warnings. So most people lie where they buy their Bait.
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You are right you can fish the river with a resident Vt. license. A non resident VT fishing license is no good on the river. it is still HN waters to the first bridge on VT side and the hight water mark. I got a good education on this when fishing the setback. My wife and i were ice fishing and got checked by an NH warden i had a VT Resident and NH non Resident license. My wife (an NH Resident) had her NH resident and VT non Resident. Thinking it didn't mater witch one she showed him she handed the VT.
That was my first lesson of the day. VT resident only. her NH license was ok of corse. Next lesson. Our bait. he asked where i got it and i said Ed's in Hartford VT. He informed me about the law of bringing bait into NH and gave me a written warning. i said we and hundreds of others have fished the river for years bring bait onto the river especially ice fishing. The next day call NH fishing game and talked with them about this. They said the law has been on the books for years but not enforced but the warden was following the book and since then i have talked to others that have received warnings. So most people lie where they buy their Bait.
Cat, Great post from you to clarify the bait rule. As I said though it is absurd as you can go on the SAME body of water with your Vt bait IF you enter from Vt. Somehow the bait becomes tainted if you enter from NH to use that bait ? LOL
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Sorry your wrong you can't go onto the river from the VT side with live bait certified or not. once you put a foot on the ice or water you are in NH.
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The ironic thing is when you buy bait in VT and your from NH they put on the slip where it says body of water "CT River". LOL
I'm not sure NH and VT are on the same page in regards to the live bait and the CT river.
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There is more to this. The CT River is NH to the average LOW water mark on the Vermont side and those lines exist prior to the influence of dams. So therefore a small, but significant amount of setback and reservoir areas such Moore and Comerford are actually Vermont water. So for example I believe a non resident Vermont is good on Vermont setbacks such as Hunts Meadow which is west of the original low water mark. And I don't think a non resident New Hampshire resident license is good there. On the other hand the only non resident license that would be legal, east of the low water mark would be a New Hampshire non resident license. So the only non resident license that would work in piermont or Hindsdale would be New Hampshire. You can see the state lines on good quality maps.
You are right you can fish the river with a resident Vt. license. A non resident VT fishing license is no good on the river. it is still HN waters to the first bridge on VT side and the hight water mark. I got a good education on this when fishing the setback. My wife and i were ice fishing and got checked by an NH warden i had a VT Resident and NH non Resident license. My wife (an NH Resident) had her NH resident and VT non Resident. Thinking it didn't mater witch one she showed him she handed the VT.
That was my first lesson of the day. VT resident only. her NH license was ok of corse. Next lesson. Our bait. he asked where i got it and i said Ed's in Hartford VT. He informed me about the law of bringing bait into NH and gave me a written warning. i said we and hundreds of others have fished the river for years bring bait onto the river especially ice fishing. The next day call NH fishing game and talked with them about this. They said the law has been on the books for years but not enforced but the warden was following the book and since then i have talked to others that have received warnings. So most people lie where they buy their Bait.
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Sorry your wrong you can't go onto the river from the VT side with live bait certified or not. once you put a foot on the ice or water you are in NH.
Why do NH bait dealers sell bait slips that say Conn river only? It is so the fisherman can enter from the Vt side. ;)
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If a Bait shop in NH has a VT bait dealers license and their bait is VT certified then you can transport it into VT with a slip.
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If a Bait shop in NH has a VT bait dealers license and their bait is VT certified then you can transport it into VT with a slip.
Yes and if you enter the Conn river from the VT side w/out a bait slip you are subject to a fine from a Vt game warden.
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Anyone go down this week? Ice conditions?
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Fished it yesterday afternoon. I meant to measure it before I left but forgot. Still a good amount of ice but its not good stuff. Just starting to open up near the brooks but the edges where you get on are still solid.
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Thanks for the update!
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Im actually really curious.... When was the last time anyone saw a VT game warden ON the river? Not shoreline... on the water.
NH governs the rules, so I dont think Vt's already thinned out CO division will patrol the river.... and no NH warden will ask for a bait slip. Im just sayin ;)
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I ran into the same warden twice on the ice at Hoyts this season. Nice guy, I wanted to know if using a glow light for night fishing was legal since its NH water. He called his NH warden buddy and confirmed that it was.
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I ran into the same warden twice on the ice at Hoyts this season. Nice guy, I wanted to know if using a glow light for night fishing was legal since its NH water. He called his NH warden buddy and confirmed that it was.
Interesting.... You said "Since it's NH water".... then what was a VT game warden doing checking you on NH water? out of his area wouldn't you say?
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I asked that same question at the baitfish meeting a few weeks later. F&G said they can check bait slips and licenses only. They mentioned VT Bait slips are still required because you are accessing the ice from VT soil....all the river regs just make my head spin ???
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I asked that same question at the baitfish meeting a few weeks later. F&G said they can check bait slips and licenses only. They mentioned VT Bait slips are still required because you are accessing the ice from VT soil....all the river regs just make my head spin ???
LOL good luck enforcing THAT ONE ::)
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Try and fish the Conn. river setback above Lancaster(accessible from the Vt. side) with NH bait(no slip) and see what the Vt game warden says !
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Try and fish the Conn. river setback above Lancaster(accessible from the Vt. side) with NH bait(no slip) and see what the Vt game warden says !
Im actually surprised to hear how many people have encountered VTFG on the river. Clearly as you can tell, I dont fish the river through the ice much. This is good to know though. Hopefully others reading this may learn from this as I am..... Just cant wrap my head around the fact that it is being patrolled by VtFG and Vt law being enforced on NH water.
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If the setback is only accessible from the vermont side then you can’t bring nh bait across state lines to use in Vermont.....that’s why the warden would have a problem with that. I love fishing the river but these bait laws really complicate things
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If the setback is only accessible from the vermont side then you can’t bring nh bait across state lines to use in Vermont.....that’s why the warden would have a problem with that. I love fishing the river but these bait laws really complicate things
I understand. I guess I was looking at from the perspective, that regardless of where the bait came from, the bait is not being placed into a body of VT water.
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NH also requires you to have completed the boater safety course if out in a boat.
Everyone, no grandfathering.
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NH also requires you to have completed the boater safety course if out in a boat.
Everyone, no grandfathering.
Yes, That is NH law, being enforced on NH water though. This bait thing is Vt law being enforced in NH water. The bottom line, is that the NH bait, while being used in the river; IS NOT being dropped into Vt water, regardless of which side the bait is carried onto by. I'm not arguing with anyone about the facts.
This brings up a good point though. Say for example, Vt had that boating law (everyone, no grandfathering) and NH did not. Would it be right for Vt wardens to try and enforce their boating law on New Hampshire water? Same thing, tomato potato ;D
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It would be nice if VT and NH could put their heads together and create a set of interstate rules for the river.....it will never happen but at the very least, the river boundaries should be updated-I know that is even more unlikely to ever happen but c'mon...Hoyt's isnt even on the CT River it's the Black River which is undoubtedly VT. This 'high water mark'/first bridge BS needs to go. VT setbacks =VT regs. NH setbacks = NH regs.
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The state border in Vermont is the original average low water mark. Not the original high water mark. The state border is not affected by dams. The boundary is in many cases submerged. There are 112 border markers. This means Vermont wardens can enforce Vermont law if the river portion is in Vermont.