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Ice Fishing Tips -Check your local regulations! => Equipment => Ice Fishing With Electronics => Topic started by: Bean on Oct 24, 2006, 09:18 AM
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This topic comes up every year(multiple times), so I thought I would put up a detailed list of features that each unit has. This should help those looking to upgrade, or those purchasing a flasher for the first time. I left out the LCD units(Nature Vision and Lowrance), someone else can write them up.
We'll start out at the top and compare dual beam transducer flashers with zoom:
Marcum LX-5
Cost: $ 449.99 (updated 10-13-09)
Cone angles: 8° or 20°
Power level: 2500 watts peak to peak
Interference rejection: 12 levels (steps)
Zoom: Adjustable anywhere in water column. 5' or 10' zoom in 20' or 40' range, 10' or 20' zoom in 80' range, 20' or 40' zoom in 160' range
Target separation: 2.15" in regular mode, 3/4" with SuperFine line turned on(this is achieved without having to turn on zoom), Zoom target separation is 3/4".
Transmit frequency: 200 KHz
Battery: 12 volt/7 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: Between 350 to 400 milliamps per hour. (A Fully charged 7 amp battery should last 16 to 20 hours of continuous use).
Battery charger: 1 amp Digital charging system(DCS) with LCD readout showing battery charge percentage in 10% increments. Automatic 3 stage charger(bulk rate, absorption, and trickle charge)
Display colors: 3 color with 3 separate (true color) LED's. Red = strong signal, Green = medium strength signal, Yellow = weak signal.
Depth ranges: 0 - 160 feet, 4 settings: 20', 40', 80', 160'
Cases: Comes standard with a weather resistant, embroidered, padded, soft pack carry case on a plastic shuttle with gimble bracket and adjustable transducer arm.
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: Can be set up for use on open water with optional high speed transducer or puck transducer.
Has a built in simulator that shows a simulated bottom, fish, and moving lure.
SuperFine Line (SFL) allows you to improve your target separation while viewing the entire water column.
This new patent pending TruColor display eliminates the blending of two colors to make a third and results in an ultra crisp display that greatly enhances target identification. Small compact profile.
(http://www.myfishfinder.com/pictures/data/500/marcumLX-5.jpg)
Vexilar FL-18
Cost: $469 (propack II) or $489 (Ultrapack) (updated 10-13-09)
Cone angles: 9° or 19°
Power level: 400 watts peak to peak
Interference rejection: 10 levels (steps)
Zoom: Bottom 6'
Target separation: 2.65"
Transmit frequency: 200 KHz
Battery: 12 volt/9 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: 275 MA milliamps per hour.(A fully charged 9 amp battery should last about 32 hours)
Battery charger: 1 amp analog charging system
Display colors: 3 color thru 2 LED's. Red = strong signal, Orange = medium strength signal, Green = weak signal.
Depth ranges: 0 - 200 feet, 5 settings: 20', 40', 60', 80', 200'
Cases: Propack II weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. or Ultrapack weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, enclosed battery compartment, main power switch, battery hookups, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. Both cases will fit inside a 5 gallon bucket.
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: Can be set up for use on open water with optional high speed transducer or puck transducer.
Custom deep water version that can read down to 300'. Low power mode(reduces the power by 50%). Bottom lock mode(locks the bottom so it will not move with changes in depth or boat motion).
(http://www.myfishfinder.com/pictures/data/500/vexilar18propackII1.jpg) (http://www.myfishfinder.com/pictures/data/500/vexilar18ultra1.jpg)
Vexilar FL-20
Cost: $529 (propack II) or $549 (Ultrapack) (updated 10-13-09)
Cone angles: 9° or 19°
Power level: 400 watts peak to peak
Interference rejection: 10 levels (steps)
Zoom: Bottom 6' or 12'
Target separation: 2.65"
Transmit frequency: 200 KHz
Battery: 12 volt/9 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: 275 MA milliamps per hour.(A fully charged 9 amp battery should last about 32 hours)
Battery charger: 1 amp analog charging system
Display colors: 3 color thru 2 LED's. Red = strong signal, Orange = medium strength signal, Green = weak signal.
Depth ranges: 0 - 200 feet, 5 settings: 20', 40', 60', 80', 200'
Cases: Propack II weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. or Ultrapack weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, enclosed battery compartment, main power switch, battery hookups, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. Both cases will fit inside a 5 gallon bucket.
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: Can be set up for use on open water with optional high speed transducer or puck transducer.
12% Larger flat-screen display with twice the viewing angle. Night mode (adjustable intensity of lights for night viewing). 20' low power mode(reduces the power by 50%). Low battery warning.
(http://www.myfishfinder.com/pictures/data/500/vexilar20propackII.jpg) (http://www.myfishfinder.com/pictures/data/500/vexilar20ultra.jpg)
Humminbird ICE-55
Cost: $ 499.99
Cone angles: 9° and 19°
Power level: 2400 watts peak to peak, 300 watts RMS
Interference rejection: 10 levels (steps)
Zoom: Allows 2X magnification anywhere in water column.
Target separation: 2.5"
Transmit frequency: 240 KHz for 19°, 455 KHz for 9°
Battery: 12 volt/9 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: unknown at this time
Battery charger: included
Display colors(strong, med., weak): Set 1 - Red, Orange, Green Set 2 - Red, Green, Yellow Set 3 - Red, Orange, Yellow, Lt Green, Green, Blue
Depth ranges: 0 - 200 feet, 4 manual settings: 20', 40', 80', 200' 7 Auto settings: 20', 40', 60', 80', 100', 120', 200'
Cases:
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: Large, 526 segment bright 6-color fiber-optic display delivers excellent sunlight readability. Can choose 3 different color palletes for display. Adjustable Target Line. Digital % Battery status indicator on LCD, 6 backlit keypad control buttons: Zoom, Gain, Noise, Beam, Target cursor color(This is a unique purple target line which icefishermen can set at a specific depth so they know exactly how deep to lower their bait or lure). Patent-pending backlit LCD display. Soft sided carrying bag. Winner of best new product award for electronics at the 2008 ICAST show.
(http://www.myfishfinder.com/pictures/data/500/Humminbird_ICE-55.jpg)
Humminbird ICE-45
Cost: $ 399.99
Cone angles: 9° and 19°
Power level: 1800 watts peak to peak, 225 watts RMS
Interference rejection: 10 levels (steps)
Zoom: Allows 2X magnification anywhere in water column.
Target separation: 2.5"
Transmit frequency: 240 KHz for 19°, 455 KHz for 9°
Battery: 12 volt/7 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: unknown at this time
Battery charger: included
Display colors(strong, med., weak): Red, Orange, Green
Depth ranges: 0 - 200 feet, 4 manual settings: 20', 40', 80', 200' 7 Auto settings: 20', 40', 60', 80', 100', 120', 200'
Cases:
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: Digital % Battery status indicator on LCD. 4 backlit keypad control buttons: Zoom, Gain, Noise, Beam. 3-color 526 segment fiber-optic flasher display delivers excellent sunlight readability.
(http://www.myfishfinder.com/pictures/data/500/Humminbird_ICE-45.jpg)
Humminbird ICE-35
Cost: $ 299.99
Cone angles: 9° and 19°
Power level: 800 watts peak to peak, 100 watts RMS
Interference rejection: 10 levels (steps)
Zoom: Allows 2X magnification anywhere in water column.
Target separation: 2.5"
Transmit frequency: 240 KHz for 19°, 455 KHz for 9°
Battery: 12 volt/7 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: unknown at this time
Battery charger: included
Display colors(strong, med., weak): Red, Orange, Green
Depth ranges: 0 - 200 feet, 4 settings: 20', 40', 80', 200'
Cases:
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: 26 step battery status indicator. 4 backlit keypad control buttons: Zoom, Gain, Noise, Beam. 3-color 526 segment fiber-optic flasher display delivers excellent sunlight readability.
(http://www.myfishfinder.com/pictures/data/500/Humminbird_ICE-35.jpg)
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Next, we'll compare single beam transducer flashers with zoom:
Marcum LX-3tc
Cost: $ 349.99 (updated 10-13-09)
Cone angles: 20°
Power level: 2000 watts peak to peak
Interference rejection: 12 levels (steps)
Zoom: Adjustable anywhere in water column. 5' or 10' zoom in 20' or 40' range, 10' or 20' zoom in 80' range, 20' or 40' zoom in 160' range
Target separation: 2.15" in regular mode, Zoom target separation is 1".
Transmit frequency: 200 KHz
Battery: 12 volt/7 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: Between 300 to 350 milliamps per hour. (A Fully charged 7 amp battery should last 18 to 22 hours of continuous use).
Battery charger: 1 amp Digital charging system(DCS) with LCD readout showing battery charge percentage in 10% increments. Automatic 3 stage charger(bulk rate, absorption, and trickle charge)
Display colors: 3 color with 3 separate (true color) LED's. Red = strong signal, Green = medium strength signal, Yellow = weak signal.
Depth ranges: 0 - 160 feet, 4 settings: 20', 40', 80', 160'
Cases: Comes standard with a weather resistant, embroidered, padded, soft pack carry case on a plastic shuttle with gimble bracket and adjustable transducer arm.
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: Can be set up for use on open water with optional high speed transducer or puck transducer.
Has a built in simulator that shows a simulated bottom, fish, and moving lure.
This new patent pending TruColor display eliminates the blending of two colors to make a third and results in an ultra crisp display that greatly enhances target identification. Small compact profile.
(http://www.myfishfinder.com/pictures/data/500/marcumLX-3tc.jpg)
Marcum VX-1P (updated 10-13-09)
Cost: $ 299.99
Cone angles: 20°
Power level: 1000 watts peak to peak
Interference rejection: 12 levels (steps)
Zoom: Bottom 5' on 20' or 40' scale, 10' on 80' scale, and 20' on 160' scale.
Target separation: 2.15"
Transmit frequency: 200 KHz
Battery: 12 volt/7 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: Between 300 to 350 milliamps per hour. (A Fully charged 7 amp battery should last 18 to 22 hours of continuous use).
Battery charger: 1 amp charging system
Display colors: 3 color thru 2 LED's. Red = strong signal, Green = medium strength signal, Yellow = weak signal.
Depth ranges: 0 - 160 feet, 4 settings: 20', 40', 80', 160'
Cases: Comes standard with a plastic shuttle with gimble bracket and adjustable transducer arm. Soft pack.
Warranty: 1 year
Miscellaneous: Can be set up for use on open water with optional high speed transducer or puck transducer. Small compact profile.
(http://www.myfishfinder.com/pictures/data/500/marcumVX-1.jpg)
Vexilar FL-18
Cost: $389 Genz pack, $449 Propack II, $469 Ultrapack (updated 10-13-09)
Cone angles: 12° standard (9° and 19° optional)
Power level: 400 watts peak to peak
Interference rejection: 10 levels (steps)
Zoom: Bottom 6'
Target separation: 2.65"
Transmit frequency: 200 KHz
Battery: 12 volt/9 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: 275 MA milliamps per hour.(A fully charged 9 amp battery should last about 32 hours)
Battery charger: 1 amp analog charging system
Display colors: 3 color thru 2 LED's. Red = strong signal, Orange = medium strength signal, Green = weak signal.
Depth ranges: 0 - 200 feet, 5 settings: 20', 40', 60', 80', 200'
Cases: Genz pack "blue box" weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount and transducer well. Propack II weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. Ultrapack weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, enclosed battery compartment, main power switch, battery hookups, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. Genz pack fits on top of a 5 gallon bucket. PropackII and Ultrapack fits inside a 5 gallon bucket.
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: Can be set up for use on open water with optional high speed transducer or puck transducer.
Custom deep water version that can read down to 300'. Low power mode(reduces the power by 50%). Bottom lock mode(locks the bottom so it will not move with changes in depth or boat motion).
(http://www.myfishfinder.com/pictures/data/500/fl-18_genzpack.jpg) (http://www.myfishfinder.com/pictures/data/500/vexilar18propackII1.jpg) (http://www.myfishfinder.com/pictures/data/500/vexilar18ultra1.jpg)
Vexilar FL-20
Cost: $489 (propack II) or $529 (Ultrapack) (updated 10-13-09)
Cone angles: 12° standard (9° or 19° optional)
Power level: 400 watts peak to peak
Interference rejection: 10 levels (steps)
Zoom: Bottom 6' or 12'
Target separation: 2.65"
Transmit frequency: 200 KHz
Battery: 12 volt/9 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: 275 MA milliamps per hour.(A fully charged 9 amp battery should last about 32 hours)
Battery charger: 1 amp analog charging system
Display colors: 3 color thru 2 LED's. Red = strong signal, Orange = medium strength signal, Green = weak signal.
Depth ranges: 0 - 200 feet, 5 settings: 20', 40', 60', 80', 200'
Cases: Propack II weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. or Ultrapack weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, enclosed battery compartment, main power switch, battery hookups, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. Both cases will fit inside a 5 gallon bucket.
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: Can be set up for use on open water with optional high speed transducer or puck transducer.
12% Larger flat-screen display with twice the viewing angle. Night mode (adjustable intensity of lights for night viewing. 20' low power mode(reduces the power by 50%). Low battery warning.
(http://www.myfishfinder.com/pictures/data/500/vexilar20propackII.jpg) (http://www.myfishfinder.com/pictures/data/500/vexilar20ultra.jpg)
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And finally, we'll compare flashers that don't have zoom:
Vexilar FL-8se
Cost: $289 Genz pack, $349 Propack II (updated 10-13-09)
Cone angles: 19° standard (9° and 12° optional)
Power level: 400 watts peak to peak
Interference rejection: 10 levels (steps)
Zoom: None
Target separation: 2.65"
Transmit frequency: 200 KHz
Battery: 12volt/7 amp sealed lead acid (Genz pack), 12 volt/9 amp sealed lead acid (Propack II & Ultrapack)
Battery current draw: 275 MA milliamps per hour.(A fully charged 9 amp battery should last about 32 hours)
Battery charger: 500 milliamp charging system (Genz pack & Propack II), 800 milliamp charging system(Ultrapack)
Display colors: 3 color thru 2 LED's. Red = strong signal, Orange = medium strength signal, Green = weak signal.
Depth ranges: 0 - 120 feet, 6 settings: 20', 30', 40', 60', 80', 120'
Cases: Genz pack "blue box" weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount and transducer well. Propack II weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. Ultrapack weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, enclosed battery compartment, main power switch, battery hookups, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. Genz pack fits on top of a 5 gallon bucket. PropackII and Ultrapack fits inside a 5 gallon bucket.
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: Can be set up for use on open water with optional high speed transducer or puck transducer.
Custom deep water version that can read down to 240'.
(http://www.myfishfinder.com/pictures/data/500/fl-8se_genzpack.jpg) (http://www.myfishfinder.com/pictures/data/500/FL-8propackII.jpg)
Vexilar FL-12
Cost: $379.95 Propack II, $399.95 dual 9°/19° Propack II, $399.95 Ultrapack, $419.95 dual 9°/19° Ultrapack (updated 10-13-09)
Cone angles: 19° standard (9° and 12° optional)
Power level: 400 watts peak to peak
Interference rejection: 10 levels (steps)
Zoom: None
Target separation: 2.65"
Transmit frequency: 200 KHz
Battery: 12 volt/9 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: 275 MA milliamps per hour.(A fully charged 9 amp battery should last about 32 hours)
Battery charger: 1 amp charging system
Display colors: 3 color thru 2 LED's. Red = strong signal, Orange = medium strength signal, Green = weak signal.
Depth ranges: 0 - 200 feet, 5 settings: 20', 40', 60', 80', 200'
Cases: Propack II weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. Ultrapack weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, enclosed battery compartment, main power switch, battery hookups, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. Both cases will fit inside a 5 gallon bucket.
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: Can be set up for use on open water with optional high speed transducer or puck transducer.
12% Larger flat-screen display with twice the viewing angle. 20' low power mode(reduces the power by 50%).
(http://www.myfishfinder.com/pictures/data/500/FL-12propackII1.jpg) (http://www.myfishfinder.com/pictures/data/500/FL-12ultra1.jpg)
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Awesome that makes it much easier for the guys that cant decide :)
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Great job Bean...all the info you need in one place...well done :thumbsup:
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Excellent Job!!!
This should be a sticky someplace!!
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Very nicely done Bean . Now its all up to us the consumers to figger out whats bull and what isn't because you just posted the brands and models and details each claim to have and what alot of us start out with for info before asking questions. ;) Great job .
TD
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Its nice for people to have a place to go to view all the important info with out having to go to the manufactors websites, it cuts down on all the excessive back patting that the companies like to do on there sites
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Ahhh, but where's all the biased information and bs???? ;) Nice thread bean.
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Nice job, Bean.
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this is a very good informational post I only have one question
how much power do's each transducer handle?
because haveing all that power is great but do's it use it? can you give me that please and no this is not to start an arguement i'm alway's trying to learn and this is (fishing electronic's) is expanding so fast it's neat to see the improvement's
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this is a very good informational post I only have one question
how much power do's each transducer handle?
because haveing all that power is great but do's it use it? can you give me that please and no this is not to start an arguement i'm alway's trying to learn and this is (fishing electronic's) is expanding so fast it's neat to see the improvement's
I think you will have to contact each company and talk to their engineers about that. All I did was put what they have on their websites together for easy reference.
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just out of curiosity which one do you have bean?
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just out of curiosity which one do you have bean?
I have 3 actually. A vexilar FL-18, a marcum LX-5, and a gander mountain GS-X. I've gotten some great deals by buying off of e-bay during the off season.
I have one ice buddy that mostly fishes tip-ups, but every now and then he'll get his jigging rod out, so I'll let him use one then. I also have a friend that I want to teach him about ice fishing, since he's never tried it. That's the reason I have that many.
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I`m a satisfied fl-18 user but I`ve never tried a marcum or ever seen one on the ice for that matter. I was wonderind about the interferance control on the marcum as the vexilar has a pattented interference control built into the gain knob. You can use several of these unit really close together. I`m always trying to keep with what what companys are doing as an upgrade is always inthe works, I strive to collect the best without going broke.
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heah lads . If you got a Vex be happy and things will be fine but if your going to upgrade or buy your first new flasher then look at the Marcum line. No vex user or x67c user has to change to catch fish and both will treat you well and do the job but if your choosing for upgrade or advanced tech...... seriously look at marcums . Best bang for buck and technologically advanced . ;) ;)
TD
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Duane, thanks for the info- I've just bought the LX5 and now am even more convinced I made the right choice.
Ditto...Got about 35 to 40 hrs open water time on mine now and I see no reason to believe I made a bad decision.
Cant wait to try it on ice.
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does the lx-5 have the split screen like the vex. you know like the whole column on one side and the zoom on the other?
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This is a great post bean, very nice job. :clap:
And good add on posts gentlemen, kudo's to all who had something to add!
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does the lx-5 have the split screen like the vex. you know like the whole column on one side and the zoom on the other?
Yes. When in the zoom mode, the right side will be the whole water column and the left side will be your zoom area.
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Yes it does and the advantage the Marcum has is you can move the zoom anywhere in the water column. With the Vex you only get zoom on bottom 6 feet.
I tried my LX-5 for the first time today (just upgraded from FL-18). Most impressed with the crisper lines and the moveable zoom. I saw some baitfish congregating 10 ft down in 22 feet of water. So I moved the zoom up to between 7 and 13 feet so I could zero in on them. I also liked the charging system. Just plug in and forget about it. No watching that little red light on the charger system on Vex anymore. The Marcum doesn't need monitoring as once it reaches full charge it shuts down to trickle charge it (maintaining it). The Marcum also has a little display on top of battery that tells you what condition your battery is in, ie ( "70%" of full charge).
Seems like a cadillac of flashers to me.
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does the lx-5 have the split screen like the vex. you know like the whole column on one side and the zoom on the other?
Yes, and on the right hand zoom column, you can move it to any section of the sonar cone, not just a lock on the bottom.
The VX1 and LX3tc also have the split screen, and the LX3 for sure has the adjustable zoom, the VX1 has bottom lock.
I just juiced up the battery for my brother's gift - the upgraded LX3tc, runs quiet as a breeze, just like my LX5.
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Seems like a cadillac of flashers to me.
Yes, I agree, TGF.
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For extended battery life on any flasher, unhook at least one of the leads going to the battery when you're not going to use it for a few days or longer. If you leave battery charge status indicators hooked up to the battery, they will slowly drain the battery. With the vex ultrapack, just turn the masterswitch to off(since battery is enclosed). Just remember to rehook the connector before using it again.
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One of the things I have not seen addressed is the way the Vex has the float with the stopper on the transducer cable and it appears the Marcum has an arm that extends out to hold the transducer cable. I have the Vex and I like to set my transducer in the hole with the float and then let some cable out and set the Vex up on a bucket next to me. I have never used a marcum but if this is not possible with the marcum then I'm glad I have the Vex.
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One of the things I have not seen addressed is the way the Vex has the float with the stopper on the transducer cable and it appears the Marcum has an arm that extends out to hold the transducer cable. I have the Vex and I like to set my transducer in the hole with the float and then let some cable out and set the Vex up on a bucket next to me. I have never used a marcum but if this is not possible with the marcum then I'm glad I have the Vex.
I did this myself last season .. here's a link : Marcum with Float (http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=28902.15)
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Great info guys. I have the FL18 which I love but after reading these post If I was buying today I might go with the LX5. Maybe after a few more years I'll give my FL18 to my son and pick up an LX10 ;D
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Some great info for a future flasher owner... only question is how does the wattage affect the performance? In other words how much different is an 800 watt unit compared to a 2400 watt unit?
Thanks
PCB
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Mostly, it allows for better definition and signal response. More wattage allows it to more finely distinguish fish that are hugging the bottom, or two or more fish holding next to each other. Minor fish movements are also more noticeable with the higher wattage. It also helps to eliminate interference from other nearby flashers.
If you fish deep water, the higher wattage comes in handy as there will be minimal delay response. The higher the wattage the quicker the signal is processed.
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You make it so much easier for us to keep up on the latest and greatest. Thanks for all the time and effort you put in to keep us up to date.
Travis
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Thanks again for all of those who have the time, energy, and will to help the rest of us out... i think i speak for all of us when i say thank you!!
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I noticed that the Auqa-Vu ShowDown is missing from your list. As a happy owner, I find that interesting. Especially since Nature Vision, Owners of Auqa-Vu bought Marcum.
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Show Down is not a flasher. ;D
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i have a question on the lx5. i know they have alot more power than the vex. but i notice the vexilar tell you the 275 milliamp hr. draw and approximate length of time a full battery will last. around 32 hrs per manual i think. i didnt notice marcum having draw info in ads and was wondering maybe the battery doesnt last as long because of power. just something i was wondering about.
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I have a FL-8 and a LX-3 flasher. I know my Marcum will only last about 8 hrs per charge, before getting to low to work properly and the FL-8 will last days. That being said, the Marcum has better definition of what I am looking at below.
At least for me. Pro's and con's to both.
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i have a question on the lx5. i know they have alot more power than the vex. but i notice the vexilar tell you the 275 milliamp hr. draw and approximate length of time a full battery will last. around 32 hrs per manual i think. i didnt notice marcum having draw info in ads and was wondering maybe the battery doesnt last as long because of power. just something i was wondering about.
I have the info on battery draw for the LX-5 listed in the first post.
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thanks bean.
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I see Thorne Brothers now has the Hummingbird Ice units on their site.
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I just called our sponsor Fish307 and they will be carrying all 3 brands of flashers (Marcum, Vexilar, Humminbird) this winter and the NatureVision Showdown. They should have all in stock in October. They don't have their website updated yet, but you can call them if you're interested in these(1-800-347-4307).
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Some great info for a future flasher owner... only question is how does the wattage affect the performance? In other words how much different is an 800 watt unit compared to a 2400 watt unit?
Thanks
PCB
I found this little ditty that explains some of this stuff.
A flasher, such as a Vexilar, has a multi-color display to clue the operator in on size of the bait/fish/target, the orientation of bait/fish/target in the water column, and the mood of the fish or baitfish present.
The subtleties of the colors or strength of the color tells the operator in real time if the fish is getting closer to the center of the transducer beam, cone or farther away....this relates to mood.
Some criticism has been voiced on Vexilars being "Not as crisp" as in comparison to other flashers and "More fuzzy" a reading on the dial....my response is..Kewl...I like it that way.
Ah...Why....well..beca use the devil is in the details, and the fussy details at times spells out if your calling fish in or spooking them away.
Example: Did that pesky nuisance sauger just pick your shiner off your 3/8 oz jig in 50' of water...or not? Well...the "fuzzy factor" will tell you this by the multi-color bleed when your gain is properly set. Your green/orange jig...just went orange...Ah-HA!...bait picked...you see it live... even if you did not feel it. A definite Vexilar flasher advantage.
Back to the "Fuzzy Factor". What some claim to be a "True Color Display" in a flasher is in fact by design limiting the operators ability to read the subtleties that a Vexilar flasher will clearly show.
The processors in these "True Color" models have a set mission..paint targets 3 colors...no bleed...no exceptions..it is what it is, it ain't what it ain't...no exceptions...ignore information that does not fit these parameters...this does not compute.
So, in essence it is telling you only what it wants to tell you, not what is available to be told, it wants to think for you....(I hates that...Eh). Most simply put, it averages the info to be X-Y-Z..no exceptions/no subtleties....No-soup for you.
I also have a rant on power too, but I'll try to keep this short. More power/watts does not mean better performance in a flasher...period. It most certainly means more power usage and lessens battery life...that's a fact. A better processor and lower watts paints a cleaner signal in most conditions 40', or less. In open water applications the LP or Low Power mode on the Vexilar is critical to get clean readings and help to fine tune the gain to tune out alga, bubbles, suspended particulates, and bug clutter. More watts just increases/highlights the problem of clutter and diminishes your ability to read fish. For deep water more watts may help at times, but the pulse rate and interval is a more critical factor.
A good flasher on the ice or open water is a extremely handy tool. In bow mount applications, shoot through the hull installations, and especially on US2 trolling motors, it truly excels and enhances your ability's.
I hope this helps clear up some misconceptions, and highlights advantages and disadvantages
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I purchased my first Flasher last season, the Marcum VX-1. Absolutely happy with it, it's amazing! :thumbsup:
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The most important thing is that the user knows how to setup the unit properly and how to read what the units telling them. It doesn't matter how fancy, expensive or features the flasher, TFT, LCD and etc has if the user doesn't know how to use it or read it, its useless. Read up on how the unit works, how to set it up and hit the water to put the theory reading to use. Its always helps to buy the most unit you can afford.
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Ken- -Are you going to update the new power numbers on MarCums flashers for the units shipping 15 Oct 08. LX-5 going up to 2500 watts and LX-3 will be 2,000 watts and VX-1 moves up to 1,000. Also all three units will be enhanced thoroughly by the new patent pending enhancements in the powerhead. Another breakthrough from MarCum!
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ops! Just canceled my FL-20 order. A new 2500 watt LX-5 might be in order!
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Ken- -Are you going to update the new power numbers on MarCums flashers for the units shipping 15 Oct 08. LX-5 going up to 2500 watts and LX-3 will be 2,000 watts and VX-1 moves up to 1,000. Also all three units will be enhanced thoroughly by the new patent pending enhancements in the powerhead. Another breakthrough from MarCum!
Yes, I will be updating them.
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How about this little ditty..
The receiver is way outdated on the Vexilar units as for the most part the internal components on a Vexilar are pretty much 25 year old technology. To my knowledge and testing, the only thing that has changed in Vexilar is the cosmetics and the "digital zoom". More on this later....The low power mode and suppression cable are the band-aids to make the unit work. For the guys that have a vexilar with a low power mode or s-cable, try this.... Set your unit on a table and place a hard object under the transducer on the floor. Turn your unit on and your gain all the way down. Almost every one of the Vexilars I have used new and old will still give you a signal picking up the object on the floor. Now, if the receiver is properly designed, you should be able to turn the gain down and completely remove the signal. It kind of works like the volume on your tv. I want to be able to turn the volume all the way down to where the tv is 100% mute. On a MarCum, when you turn the gain down to 0, there is nothing being transmitted onto the screen. This is all being done without any low power or s-cable..It is better engineering and technology.
Power is everything. It creates a stronger cleaner signal right from the beginning. The stronger and cleaner the signal you send out, the stronger and cleaner a signal is received. Sonar works like a ball being thrown against a wall. Throw it hard and it bounces right back to where it came from. Throw it soft and it may bounce and roll close to where it came from.
So, if you have a strong signal being sent out, the capability of the interference rejection working better is a lot higher due to a cleaner, truer signal. Target separation is greatly increased and being able to see things in the weeds is very easy. Along with all of this, distortion is kept at a bare minimum giving you a better clearer picture on your dial.
If low power is better, why do all lowrance, raytheon, humminbird, etc....boat units strive for the most power they can get.
Touching back on the zoom....When MarCum uses the zoom, they use an optical zoom. It actually increases the target separation to less that 3/4 of an inch. On a Vex, they use a digital zoom that just blows up the already 2.65" target separation onto the opposite side of the screen.
Here are some tests that were done with some very sophisticated equipment.
MarCum Technologies LX5 VS: Vexilar FL20
Receiver sensitivity : Receiver sensitivity is the measurement of a sonar receiver’s ability to detect an input signal. This measurement tells just how small of a return signal the unit is able to pick up and display. The LX5’s receiver is more sensitive.
Measurement:
LX5- 24uV
FL20- 40uV
Receiver Gain: Receiver gain is a measurement of the total system gain or amplification. Typically the more gain a receiver has the smaller signal it will be able to detect. The LX5 receiver has more gain.
Measurement:
LX5- 89.77db
FL20- 70.89db
Receiver distortion: Receiver distortion is a measurement of the sonar receiver to filter, amplify, detect, and display a return signal. A receiver with less distortion will give a more accurate display. The LX5 has less distortion.
Measurement:
LX5- less than 1%
FL20- more than 40%
Transmitter power: Transmit power is a measurement of the output power into the transducer. This is usually defined in Watts peak to peak or Watts RMS. In the sonar world more power means a better return signal with less noise and less filtering. The LX5 has more power.
Measurement:
LX5- more than 2000 Wp-p or 300 Wrms
FL20- more than 400 Wp-p or 50Wrms
Conclusions: The LX5 surpasses the FL20 in every sonar measurement that was made. With these measurements it becomes clear that the LX5 is a superior product in respect to its receiver/transmitter design. These measurements were made on off the shelf units using an industry standard tester.
What this means to the ice fisherman is that with the LX5 you will get a clearer, less distorted picture of what’s below the transducer. We at MarCum believe that these measurements reflect what LX5 users have been seeing on the ice. The MarCum Technologies LX5 is truly the best and this can be backed up and verified by scientific measurements.
Duane Cummings
Chief Sonar Engineer
MarCum Technologies Inc.
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IceTechy -
You might want to clarify to us "non-engineers" that the receiver sensitivity (listed in db's), is not a linear scale.
It is logarithmic...so that ~19db difference is NOT 19 x's more sensitive!
Though, in ice fishing, sensitivity really makes a difference!
Cheers,
MD
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absolutely Maine Dog..
The dB is a logarithmic unit used to describe a ratio. The ratio may be power, sound pressure, voltage or intensity or several other things.
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I'm will be buying my first flasher this winter and I get exited seeing the hummingbirds because I use hummingbird in the summer. I like that they have the dual cone cause I can fish in the hundreds for the lakers and shallower for the others with the same cone! Does the dual cone look like it might be a problem to anyone I don't know much about flashers.
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"On a MarCum, when you turn the gain down to 0, there is nothing being transmitted onto the screen. This is all being done without any low power or s-cable..It is better engineering and technology."
Why would you want to turn the gain all the way down and not be able to see anything? You may call it better engineering, I call it different engineering.
"If low power is better, why do all lowrance, raytheon, humminbird, etc....boat units strive for the most power they can get?"
Those units also read depths MUCH deeper than any flasher on the market. Every notice that when wattage goes up on the units, they can read deeper?
"Touching back on the zoom....When MarCum uses the zoom, they use an optical zoom. It actually increases the target separation to less that 3/4 of an inch. On a Vex, they use a digital zoom that just blows up the already 2.65" target separation onto the opposite side of the screen."
How are the target seperation claims verifyed? Any in water tests, or just machine measurements and theory?
Not trying to put you down, but I'm wary of any claims made by someone on the companies payroll. Every product X company is trying to sell is better than the competiors product. Best to compare both on the water and decide IMO.
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"On a MarCum, when you turn the gain down to 0, there is nothing being transmitted onto the screen. This is all being done without any low power or s-cable..It is better engineering and technology."
Why would you want to turn the gain all the way down and not be able to see anything? You may call it better engineering, I call it different engineering.
Whoa, like an "S" cable band-aid, seems to be more backward thinking than forward thinking to me. MarCum's receiver adjustability far exceeds Vexilars, not even close.
http://210.150.89.24/marine/200710030001.html
"If low power is better, why do all lowrance, raytheon, humminbird, etc....boat units strive for the most power they can get?"
Those units also read depths MUCH deeper than any flasher on the market. Every notice that when wattage goes up on the units, they can read deeper?
This is also why the MarCum gives you a crisper and cleaner display and unequaled interference rejection. I guess that's why there is such a delay in vexes on screen response in deep water
"Touching back on the zoom....When MarCum uses the zoom, they use an optical zoom. It actually increases the target separation to less that 3/4 of an inch. On a Vex, they use a digital zoom that just blows up the already 2.65" target separation onto the opposite side of the screen."
How are the target seperation claims verifyed? Any in water tests, or just machine measurements and theory?
One only needs to take some monafilament line and splits shots to do this.
Not trying to put you down, but I'm wary of any claims made by someone on the companies payroll. Every product X company is trying to sell is better than the competiors product. Best to compare both on the water and decide IMO.
Your not putting me down at all. I don't get paid.
There is no way that you do not get more bang for your buck from MarCum Sonars. I spent a season evaluating both units, posted my results and that helped ice fisherman through the work I did to make an informed decision. Why not share it with fellow ice fisherman and give them the information to help make there choice. This isn't rocket science it's ice fishing and like most I want the best for my dollar. MarCum is adding more umph to an already powerful unit and the "AT" patent pending geez, they don't sit back and rake the cash there always trying to do more. American know how in an American sport, tell that to your Hondex boys..
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The test results are from someone on Marcums payroll or at least was. Any manuf tests or claims have to be taken with a grain of salt I don't care what they make.
I think the Marcum higher end Marcum units do indeed have better target seperation than the Vex. The split shot does only give a vertical measurement though. I can set my Fl18 up where I can see the individual maggots, have to set it up right. I just prefer the Vexilar display maybe its because I'm used to it, also feel that Vexilar builds a higher quality and more reliable unit. The Fl-8 is an old design the S-cable doesn't thrill me however the Fl-8 is the only unit that has it but only needs it in shallower water. Vexilar has a different setup than Marcum and it works very well. IMO you won't catch any more fish with an Fl-8 vs the top end units from Vex, Marcum, Hummingbird and etc. I have an Fl-18 and an Edge 2 LCD and my dad has an Fl-18. Its real nice to be able to upgrade to a 9/19 ducer or swap transducers from unit to unit. Marcum should have a similar setup so the guy that has an LX-3 doesn't have to take the hit and go out and buy an Lx-5 to get a dual ducer. I see the competition in flashers as only a good thing. I want to buy an Fl-20 however I think Vexilar may bring out another unit within a year or so. :-\
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The test results are from someone on Marcums payroll or at least was. Any manuf tests or claims have to be taken with a grain of salt I don't care what they make.
Then you would agree with me that the .5" target I.D. on a Vexilar is propaganda and not fact.
I think the Marcum higher end Marcum units do indeed have better target seperation than the Vex.
I know the VX-1 has better target seperation than the higher end vexes
The split shot does only give a vertical measurement though.
You have to stagger the size of the shot largest at the bottom
I can set my Fl18 up where I can see the individual maggots, have to set it up right.
I can do the the same with any MarCum
I just prefer the Vexilar display maybe its because I'm used to it, also feel that Vexilar builds a higher quality and more reliable unit.
I here you it takes about 2 minutes to get used to the display on a MarCum unit but I am not swallowing the statement that Vexilar makes a higher quality and more reliable unit than MarCum. I have been to the repair shop when it was in Anoka and they had one guy on staff. The design of the MarCum powerhead alone is stronger and more durable than the vex. Point being I have smashed the ceramic disk on a transducer on my LX-3 and it still functioned like new, had a VX-1 one take a sled dump when my trap flipped over at a high rate of speed and it still functioned properly. In my opinion after owning both manufacturers units there both built to take the abuse the average ice fisherman dishes out.
The Fl-8 is an old design the S-cable doesn't thrill me however the Fl-8 is the only unit that has it but only needs it in shallower water.
My FL-18 was no where near as impressive in shallow water weeds than my LX-5, I know guys that have put cellophane wrap over there transducers to dampen the signal on there FL-18's to achieve a bit better clarity when fishing heavy weeds. That's where the MarCum shines when we discuss having an user friendly gain adjustment. When it comes to stacked fish, weeds, and marks tight to the bottom there is one clear choice between these two systems and it's MarCum.
Vexilar has a different setup than Marcum and it works very well.
Yes and I like liked both the Vexilar stop and MarCum swing arm on both unit's, didn't care for the float on my 18 so I took it off
IMO you won't catch any more fish with an Fl-8 vs the top end units from Vex, Marcum, Hummingbird and etc.
You can say that about any flasher or LCD for that matter... I will say this that there is way more bang for your dollar with MarCum than the competition. That value I believe was why the company went under and was bought out. They have the best flasher on the market and it was sorely under priced. I believe they did this to get there name out there in a flasher world dominated by one manufacturer but it came at a price and eventually they had to sell. The price increases for the new and improved MarCums being realeased October 15th are more representative of what this unit is worth finally
I have an Fl-18 and an Edge 2 LCD and my dad has an Fl-18. Its real nice to be able to upgrade to a 9/19 ducer or swap transducers from unit to unit. Marcum should have a similar setup so the guy that has an LX-3 doesn't have to take the hit and go out and buy an Lx-5 to get a dual ducer.
I totally agree with you there that narrow beam transducer is the cats meow on my LX-5
I see the competition in flashers as only a good thing. I want to buy an Fl-20 however I think Vexilar may bring out another unit within a year or so. :-\
Absolutely right competition brings innovation and I believe it has helped Vexilar make a better product because of MarCum's innovation. Vexilar's needed a larger zoom and everyone new it hence the FL-20. You can't knock innovation and American innovation is what made MarCum, there not one to stand pat and rest on a good unit there always searching and engineering it up every chance they get. MarCum's innovation forced Vexilar to do something for there customers as well. Both companies will compete for a good long time and that's the way we want it as consumers.
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That top-end Humminbird is a darn nice looking unit. But, $500 for an untested (yet) product made by a southern US company (Alabama) that will be used in places that have temps that they only read about is kinda steep. I guess we'll see how it holds up in the cold.
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Hummingbirds are a nice looking unit and they will probably get popular after ice trials this winter.
Something that concerns me on the higher end Hummingbirds is the LCD screen. The description says "LCD", LCDs and cold weather don't mix. Hopefully it is a TFT display as they work better. On a cold morning in the 30s the LCD unit on my boat will get very sluggish, until its on for about 15minutes.
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I talked to a guy who ran the upper end Humminbird late last ice season and was pretty impressed with it but not the set-up or sunlight viewing, he didn't like the fact over 20' of water you had to have the gain past half way to see a size 6 shrimpo.. After fishing all the top leading flasher units the LX-5 came out on top, Humminbird ICE-55 second and then the Vexilar FL-20..
I would like to see more reports on these Humminbirds and I am sure a few will be bought this season so we can have some more reviews on it.
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ill be reporting on my ICE-55 as soon as we get some ice !!!!!!!!!! C'mon big freeze, BRING IT ON!!!
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What's Up ???
Nothing left to say about the New "Bird Ice 55"...I am curious about these things ???
I have been researching these for the past week and I am BLUE in the face from looking at computer screens!!!!!!!
I guess the Arguement has just GROWN TO MASS PROPORTIONS ??? With the addition of a new Superpower in the Flasher Industry...I have heard LOTS of great stuff and very little bad things about the unit. Does "Bro" actually PS these things? I don't care either way...It's just food for thought :-\
Can we please get back to Bean's Topic...I Want Info...Real Life Info ;D
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When making a purchase on a new unit I always like to know who i am dealing with. So today i made three phone calls. First to vex, the tech was rite on the phone great conversation with this gut he spoke ENGLISH good point in dealing with a MFG. I liked his sales point never bashed hummingbird or Marcum. But the power unit is made in Japan. Were hurting for jobs in America?
Second call Hummingbird how about this one the secretary answered all of my questions and yes it was a woman and again she spoke English. I didn't have a long conversation with her but she was straight to the point and could answer anything I asked. Made In Alabama wow that is in America. I thought only Beer was made in america? But did not have a mount or ducer for a boat for the ice series yet. It is a new unit i'm ok with that.
Last I spoke to Marcum got the Tech on the phone and again he spoke English was very helpful in any question I asked and did not bash on the competition. They are made in Minn wow not just Beer anymore. He gave me some company backround about the engineers being ex Naval Techs.
All in all I was impressed with all three on the phone and am trying to decide which to buy. Well i have narrowed it down to two. I do like to spend my money in america. Now i guess it will narrow down to personal preferance from here. I like to find out who i am dealing with before i buy a product and English is important to me. I may not be able to spell but i can talk.
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AugustWest I found this review on the new Humminbird 55..
Humminbird Ice 55 Review
Before I get on with my review of the ICE 55 flasher I'd like to point out that I'll not try and hide the fact that I'm a big MarCum fan. In my opinion MarCum has done a lot to advance the flasher market over the past 10 years to the benefit of all ice anglers that spend time out on the ice hovered over their flasher unit of choice. And that's how I view the introduction of the ICE 55 from Humminbird. This is just one more player in the market that will bring new ideas and technologies to the market place and in the end the competition will continue to push each of the major manufacturers forward seeking fresh technology and improved performance.
As I walked out onto the ice at the MarCum High Power Challenge event held on White Bear Lake on Saturday, December 20 I was actually quite excited to have the opportunity to put flashers from different manufacturers side by side in ice holes separated by a couple of feet and finally get to see the strengths and weaknesses of each respective unit. It is one thing to listen to the double talk on the chat forums about what a unit can and cannot do. It is a whole different experience to set aside 30 minutes or an hour of your time and compare the units with a critical eye where it counts... out on the ice in a real world situation.
This review will focus on the strengths and weakness of the ICE 55 from Humminbird as it is a new unit for 2008 and little is know about the unit's capabilities.
I did not take the time to see if an ICE 35 or 45 was available at this event as I wanted to test the "top dog" in the Humminbird lineup to get a feel for the best their product line had to offer. If I get a chance to hit another one of these events I'll be sure to seek out some ice time with their other units.
Ice 55 Soft Pack
A top of the line flasher unit should come in a soft pack standard from the factory. If I'm going to drop $500 on a flasher I want it to stay safe and protected while in transit from one fishing spot to the next. The ICE 55 comes in a black and grey soft pack that appeared to be well made and without any noticeable flaws in the stitching. The soft pack material felt durable. I did not care for the way the soft pack opened or closed. Instead of velcro a pair of zippers, one on each side of the opening flap, is used to open and close the face cover. Getting a grip on the little zipper tabs with gloved hands was a difficult task and I feel the opening cover to the unit would be best secured with velcro. In watching the way others opened the case it was apparent to me that the zippers on the cover will take a beating over time as everyone I watched as they opened the cover simply reached to the bottom of the flap and yanked the cover upwards forcing the zippers to retreat backwards under force. If you have the discipline to take off your gloves and work the zippers by hand this arrangement will not be an issue. If you fish like the masses you'll be a "grip and rip" guy and those zippers won't be long for this world.
Initial Impressions
My initial impressions of the unit's look and layout was fairly positive. The flat panel face of the unit was easy to read (conditions were overcast with visibilities of about 1/4 mile due to blowing snow) so it was impossible to determine on this day how well this unit would do in bright sunlight. Control knobs were large and easy to manipulate with gloved hands. The unit I was using was fairly quiet and the standard color readout of red, yellow, green appeared to be on par with other units reagrding brightness. The ICE 55 did not have the crisp bright colors and color separation you see on a MarCum unit but I would give the ICE 55 decent marks in this area.
I did not like the way the unit sat on its mount and the overall size and height. This is a big, tall unit. Obviously if you design a unit around a larger flat screen display the unit is going to be bigger than other flashers offering a smaller display area. That's not my beef here. What I didn't like was how high the unit sat on the mount... the head unit needs to be lowered considerably and there appears to be room to do so by moving the head unit forward and down in front of the battery. I could see no reason why the ICE 55 couldn't be tweaked slightly to reduce the overall height of this unit substantially. The mount and plastic shuttle on which the unit is mounted seemed up to the task.
Getting Set Up
Here's where I started having serious issues with the unit. The knobs for adjustment on the face of the unit are large enough to be easily adjusted. However it would be nice if they were actually attached in a manner that would keep them attached securely. The "on/off" knob on the ICE 55 that I demoed pulled off under a light amount of pressure. Upon inspection I found that the plastic knob used friction alone to hold the knob in place. In comparison the MarCum units I'm familiar with use a metal allen head screw to "pin" the adjustment knobs in place securely. In fairness I was able to push the knob back in place and get back in action and the knob only came off one other time during the course of the event. However, this lack of attention to detail is going to bite someone out there and you'll find that guy adjusting his Ice 55 with a pliers for the remainder of his trip until a replacement can be secured.
The function buttons are fairly large but the labels next to the respective buttons are silk screened or printed on the face of the unit in a "dirty" white that is very hard to read when fishing out on the ice in blowing snow. I'm sure this can be addressed in the future as the product is refined. I would highly suggest bolder print or decals using contrasting colors to indicate the function of each control.
The ICE 55, and likely all other ICE series units, use a system to adjust settings where a user pushes the button for the desired control and then the user makes the adjustment using the large adjustment knob at the top of the head unit. It sounds workable, right? Here's why it drove me nuts!
For example, the active function is set for "gain" but I want to adjust the noise filter. I press the "noise" button and I adjust the amount of noise suppression using the control knob. So far, so good. The issue is that after a few second the active function is re-set to the default function, which was gain. Now when you go back to further tweak your noise settings you're now adjusting your gain. To correct the issue you need to re-adjust your gain, re-select your "noise" function and then make the needed adjustments within the allowed time before things reset back to the default function control. Are you kidding me?! Is there a way to turn that off? If there is that "reset to default control" should be set to "off" at the factory. Why wouldn't the selected function stay selected until it is changed by the user? If I'm working on tweaking the noise settings I'll tell the flasher when I'm done doing so. Every person I watched use the ICE 55 struggled with the way the controls functioned.
#12 Gill Pill in 24 foot of Water
To begin the actual performance comparison I headed for deeper water. I wanted to test the sensitivity and target separation in a scenario that is common to the way I fish. For me "common" would be 20+ foot of water and small jigs for crappies and bluegills. The jig I picked was a #12 gill pill from Custom Jigs and Spins (one of my favorites of late )and that jig would be used on the same rod and line in all tests going forward.
The test was started with the Humminbird ICE 55 in the wide beam transducer setting. Gain was turned up enough to return a bottom reading. That reading, if memory serves, was under 5 out of the possible 25 gain settings on the ICE 55. Once the bottom was established I slowly began to lower the jig. After the jig had been lowered approximately 7 - 8 feet below the ice the jig was given time to come in under the cone. After a wait of sufficient time with no mark for the jig showing on the ICE 55 display it was apparent that more gain would be needed.
The gain was turned up slowly with the jig held motionless. The jig did not appear as a steady return on the ICE 55 until the gain had been turned up past 15. Once the signal for the jig had been established at a gain setting past 15 the jig was again slowly lowered deeper. As soon as the jig started to move the ICE 55 unit lost the jig and would only display a very intermittent return on the display.
The gain was again increased to maintain a useable return signal from the jig. As we continued to lower the jig that gain had to be increased. At 20 feet the gain was at a setting of 25. Maxed out for this unit. As the jig was sent deeper to just above bottom in 24 foot of water the ICE 55 absolutely could not display a return for the jig. When the jig was raised back shallower than 20 feet the jig would again be displayed as a flickering return on the ICE 55 display. Clearly the unit has some incredible sensitivity issues in the wide beam setting. So much so that we opted to not attempt a target separation test in the wide beam as there was no way to substantiate performance if the unit was unable to display returns for the targets.
In narrow beam the ICE 55 did a better job. Once the narrow beam was selected the jig was immediately displayed and the gain setting could be turned down to a setting of 3 - 4 depending on depth. The ICE 55 did a acceptable job of tracking the jig as it fell, the signal was fairly consistent as the jig fell in the water column which allowed me to track the movement of the bait most of the time as it fell towards the bottom.
A target separation test was conducted using sinkers pegged to a line. I know, I know. Flashers aren't designed to mark sinkers, they're designed to mark the bottom and fish. I'll give you that, no doubt about it. But how do you get a couple perch to maintain a consistent separation while we test various flashers? So the sinker test is as good as it will get coming from us ice heads. Do know that the test was applied uniformly to the units tested.
Two sinkers were pegged to a line and that line was lowered to a depth just about the bottom in 24' of water. If the flasher being tested could not distinguish the two sinkers as unique target the line was reeled up and the distance was increased.
The distance between the sinkers was increased until the ICE 55 could distinguish the targets as "separate." In this test, in 24 foot of water and in the narrow beam setting, the ICE 55 consistently returned target separation results at 5". In comparison the MarCum LX5 was able to produce target separation results around 2 inches without the use of the Super Fine Line option on the MarCum LX5.
These target separation tests backed up what I thought I was seeing visually. The ICE 55 display did not seem to be very crisp and the sensitivity was very poor in comparison to some of the other units on the market.
After evaluating the ICE 55's performance in the wide and narrow beam modes I think it is important to point out how I think Humminbird has engineered their transducers as I feel that is playing a significant role in the capabilities of their unit.
First we need to talk about transducer crystals. I'm not an engineer so stick with me if some of my terminology is off a bit. I think the point I'm going to make will be plainly evident once we get past my feeble attempt as explaining how a transducer crystal works.
Inside every transducer there's a crystal. When power is applied to the crystal that crystal resonates at a known frequency. Cystals give off primary and secondary frequencies. Primary frequencies produce clean signals with minimal noise or distortion. Secondary frequencies lack in the sensitivity and noise department and are not often used by sonar engineers when the goal is to produce the most sensitive signal possible.
A MarCum LX5 has two crystals in the transducer, each responsible for producing a primary frequency. One primary frequency is used in the narrow beam setting. The other primary frequency generated by the second crystal is used in the wide beam setting. If primary frequencies result in clean signals with less noise it is only obvious to me that you're going to need two crystals to get the best performance out of the narrow beam and wide beams settings.
Humminbird uses one crystal in their ICE Series of flashers. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that the secondary frequency is being used in the wide beam setting. And that's why the wide beam setting proved to have such difficulty displaying a return for that #12 Gill Pill in 24 foot of water when the MarCum could do so with ease.
Overview
The Humminbird Ice 55 is the newest player in the hotly contested flasher niche and bring a larger flat panel display to the market that will almost certainly force MarCum and Vexilar to offer units with larger displays in the near future. The overall quality and durability of the unit seemed to be acceptable, with a few minor reservations regarding the closure of the soft pack and the control knobs. Owners of this unit will find they're able to adapt the way they fish to accomodate the exclusive use of the narrow beam setting in deeper water and use the ICE 55 as a serviceable tool out on the ice.
What needs attention? In my opinion the user control interface needs to be improved. With that much space available for the placement of user controls shouldn't there be controls dedicated for each function? But the user controls aren't the heart of the problem. The real issue at this time is with the nuts and bolts performance of this unit. Sure, a big flat panel display is nice. But none of that matters if the sensitivity and target separation is compromised. And shouldn't the top unit in a product line that advertises a dual beam transducer offer a dual crystal transducer so the wide beam setting is actually useable at depths where most of us fish, which is to say at depths deeper than 22 feet?
I for one am excited to see where this product goes over the next couple seasons. I'm sure Humminbird will take this year one product back into engineering over the coming summer and address some if not all of the issues anglers will report to them over the ice season. For ice anglers looking for a flasher for use THIS SEASON I can say, without reservation, there's flashers on the market that bring to the table a better combination of performance and features than the Humminbird ICE Series of flashers offers at this time.
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Picked up the 55 Merry mas to me!!!!
As far as the Bag is concerned I felt it was Excellent and very well constructed and designed. Strong easily opened,Good access.
As for the Knobs they are very secure and even trying to pull them off I could not!!! Now I did not try pulling with pliers!!!
As for the jumping "Back to default" setting
After you adjust Gain,Noise Etc Etc You have to push Setting dial to lock your desired setting or It Will go back to default setting.
As for the unit not reading/Marking jig I have no info here as I have not had it out on the hard stuff.
Anyone else???
I will let you know What I find
Rick
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got the hummingbird 35 and will review it as soon as I can.
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I was sold on vex for many years and had decided on a vex for my first flasher until i found the vx-1s at Gander mountain for $199, then it was kind of a no brainer....My plan was to use my vx-1 for 2 seasons and by then the new models of all brands will probably be out and i will be able to better decide what the upgrade would be.
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Take a look at the Lowrance X67 Ice Machine, for $267.00 you get a flasher style screen but with dead clean line and color delination and nice big lit numerical depth readout right smack dab in the middle of the screen! No dual scales to read or figure out. Super separation and very easy controls. Graph screen with split screen option in real time - use this a few times and you really get to likeing it. Zoom feature, fish alarm, different cone transducers are available. the X68 has mapping features as well. These units were a step up and away from standard flashers and are extreemely easy to operate and read.
Spin
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nice job. bean
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Bean- Do you mind if I post this on a different site?
Great info!
Chris
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Nope. But if you could put "Courtesy of IS" somewhere, that would be nice.
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Thanks a lot Bean. Great info again.
Chris
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Any update ont he Battery power of this unit????????? Does the extra power = a lot less battery time or are we just talking a couple of hours?
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Just got a new vx-1P ordered from ebay for 275! I am pretty excited to see it in action
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Hey Bean, I think it's about time you give in and do a write up on the LCD units!!!
Cheers
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That's alright. I'll let someone else tackle that one.
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I have 3 actually. A vexilar FL-18, a marcum LX-5, and a gander mountain GS-X. I've gotten some great deals by buying off of e-bay during the off season.
I have one ice buddy that mostly fishes tip-ups, but every now and then he'll get his jigging rod out, so I'll let him use one then. I also have a friend that I want to teach him about ice fishing, since he's never tried it. That's the reason I have that many.
what is your favorite and why ?
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Well, since then I sold the FL-18. So I only have the LX-5 and the Gander GS-X now. I love the LX-5 for everything it does and it's super crisp display. It does everything I want in a flasher. But that's me. Everyone should choose a flasher around their budget and the waters they fish. If your budget affords it, get a flasher with zoom as the minimum. You'll never regret it. Keep an eye on craigslist and e-bay for some deals.
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That's alright. I'll let someone else tackle that one.
lol
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lol
Thanks for the info. I think I will look into the marcum.
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Thanks for the info. I think I will look into the marcum.
Picked up an L-X5 early this spring, from REEDS; Will let you know how it works as soon as we have ice.....I'm sure that I will like it/ hope I wasn't spoiled by using my liquid display all these years????.....That sure worked for me/ Hard or Soft water!......Give me a heads up when you come up this winter, Lou
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I will be there on new years day for brookies. Hope for cold weather.
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I have updated the prices for the 2009/10 season. The prices listed are manufacture's suggested retail prices.
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thanx for the update...Im still holding on to my vex, though I would like to hear from all those who bought humminbirds last season on how they held up after a full season on the ice
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I've always fished with a vex, but picked up a Marcum LX-5 this year and am excited to try it. I've run it in the "demo" mode and I can already tell the lights are a lot more vivid than my FL-20. Apparently Vexilar uses two different colors (red and green) and then mixes those colors to create yellow. Marcum (true color technology) uses 3 colors (red, green and yellow) so you get a truer color pattern and apparently gives you cleaner definition. I'll be interested to try it out. I used Vexilar for 15 years and was very happy with them, but reading reviews on Marcum, I thought I would try it. I'll let you know what I find.
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Oh! I see how it's going to be... Lol
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Am I the only one who was not super impressed with the marcum's Ive seem? I have fishes along side guys using a marcum and tried one myself for a few minutes. I found there was a slight delay compared to my vex. I may not have noticed if I had not been fishing the vex all morning and just moved over to try it. Something felt differnt. looks like a solid product, same as the humminbird...but 50years is tuff to beat
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Am I the only one who was not super impressed with the marcum's Ive seem? I have fishes along side guys using a marcum and tried one myself for a few minutes. I found there was a slight delay compared to my vex. I may not have noticed if I had not been fishing the vex all morning and just moved over to try it. Something felt differnt. looks like a solid product, same as the humminbird...but 50years is tuff to beat
Don't know what models you are comparing but I have both a vexilar FL-20 and a MarCum LX-5 and run both side by side alot. Hands down the LX-5 out performs the FL-20 shallow and deep. The only delay I have seen from the MarCum is the amount of time it takes my brain to realize that I should be setting the hook. and as far as the VPG's go if they will make one with a color screen I wouldn't mind having one of those either. Hope their listening.
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Am I the only one who was not super impressed with the marcum's Ive seem? I have fishes along side guys using a marcum and tried one myself for a few minutes. I found there was a slight delay compared to my vex. I may not have noticed if I had not been fishing the vex all morning and just moved over to try it. Something felt differnt. looks like a solid product, same as the humminbird...but 50years is tuff to beat
I shun marcum for one reason only, that terrible transducer arm. I hate those things with a passion. I fell in love with the Vexilar float system, and now a Humminbird ICE-35. From the marcums I've seen, they are no doubt up to the task, but that transducer arm is a deal breaker for me. I know I could just add a float to it aftermarket, but then I've got a vexilar branded float on a marcum? Blasphemy some would say!
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Nice! I got a FL-20 the first year they came out & love it. Got rid of my x67 after 2 years. Didn't like it at all. No problems ever with my Vex. I did get to fish with the ICE-55 the year before they came out. Brian Brosdahl had them to try out. Really a great product & would buy one, but then I have no complaints with my FL-20.
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Well after much reading, research, deliberation, and budget manipulation, I've finally pulled the trigger and ordered a Lx-3tc from reeds today. Honestly for me this came down to technology. You just can't compare this $349.00 unit to a vex at the same price point. I know I will be happy with it. Not that I wouldn't be happy with a vex but for saving a hundred plus dollars I will carry a bucket with my gear. I may spring $4.99 for a rod caddy to strap on my bucket, tho........
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Being a former Vex guy I didn't like the Marcum arm when I got my LX-5 a few years ago, now I wouldn't want a float. no more moving trasducer, no more tangled lines and no more reaching to pull the ducer. I wouldn't let a $2 foam float be my sole decision on to try a unit or not. I wouldnt trade my LX for anything I have ever fished with, I also agree it blows the FL-20 out of the water.
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Just drill an extra hole and drop the ducer down that one so you don't have to mess with a float or arm. I fish Marcum and have no problems with the arm.
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Just drill an extra hole and drop the ducer down that one so you don't have to mess with a float or arm. I fish Marcum and have no problems with the arm.
X-2 on drilling an extra hole.(been working for me many years).....Lou
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No arguements with the Marcum here.
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X-2 on drilling an extra hole.(been working for me many years).....Lou
I guess I'm used to fishing out of a 10" hole, so the float doesn't bother me. Fishing shallow, trying to drill 2 holes, I probably wouldn't see my jig.
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I shun marcum for one reason only, that terrible transducer arm. I hate those things with a passion. I fell in love with the Vexilar float system, and now a Humminbird ICE-35. From the marcums I've seen, they are no doubt up to the task, but that transducer arm is a deal breaker for me. I know I could just add a float to it aftermarket, but then I've got a vexilar branded float on a marcum? Blasphemy some would say!
I did like the float better than the arm, so i just cut a section of pool float.....worked as a perfect replacement.......and No Vex Logo.
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Bean, thanks for your time and effort on the information you provided. I just upgraded to the LX-5 and gave my FL8SE to my son. Cant wait to get on the ice with it.
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I love the transducer support arm on the LX5. You can drill a successive line or shotgun pattern of holes go back and get the LX and move from hole to hole runnin and gunnin with no more effort then pickin it up and putting it down. The float system is not as easy in this application. I have tried both and love the arm!
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+1 also I find you get less fish caught in it than the floats....
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Sorry for the rookie question, but what does the dual beam transducer feature do?
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It provides different beam angles. One will be a narrow beam at around 8 or 9 degrees, and the other one will be a wider beam at 19 or 20 degrees. The wider beam allows you to see more area. The narrow beam is usually used in deeper areas or weedy areas.
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have the fl-20 with duel beam and love it found it was easier to quickly locate the fish and then zone in on them i do like the marcum don't get me wrong i just prefer the vex ;)
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Anybody use the Showdown? i was thinking about getting one and want to get some new reviews on it.....
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Just ordered the Humminbird Ice 55. Cant wait to get it and figure it out. Never had any kind of flasher so this will be all new to me.
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Anybody use the Showdown? i was thinking about getting one and want to get some new reviews on it.....
That's what I WANTED!!! All the people who like to talk about power and technology, the Showdown absolutely blows them all away. Problem was, everyone else wanted one too and seemed to buy them all before I pulled the trigger on one.
Jim
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Ever seen one in action? I have ...... the vertical gray scale is an acquired taste. When I purchased my flasher after seeing the Showdown it wasn't even on my list of possibilities. I personally didn't like it. Seems to be lots of posts about blown fuses on it.
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Did a lot of research before I bought a flasher and ended up buying an the Ice 35. I love it and have compared them too the competitors and would say they hold their own. Too each his own though all major flasher manufacturers make good products, all we need to do is figure out what we want personally and try it out. I will agree it's nice to have the advantage of the flasher and hope everyone gets the chance to use one regardless of brand.
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It was the same when I went to pick one up. Only one in shop, others were out.
I've used mine alot. No issues with fuses or anything. I like the display and it's easy
to read and zoom into areas. Battery life is great too.
I had to play with it a bit to get to know it. But that learning curve
was quick and easy.
I love my showdown.
FS
That's what I WANTED!!! All the people who like to talk about power and technology, the Showdown absolutely blows them all away. Problem was, everyone else wanted one too and seemed to buy them all before I pulled the trigger on one.
Jim
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BIRD HANDS DOWN!
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I have had my Ice-55 for 2 months now. It is AWESOME. I have not had any other flasher but if there is a better unit out there it must be unbelievable. The LCD is great. I have been out every weekend except one since I got it. The battery is maybe down to 75% after 7 hours. The color is incredible and I have been having a ball with it. It has definitely improved the numbers of fish I catch. Trouble free and fun fun fun.
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I've got the Vexilar FL-20 and I love it. The zoom feature and accuracy is great. Definitely has helped me catch more fish. I fish up to 150' deep and no problem seeing my jig or swivel. I've used it in -10 temps and have had no problems. I haven't had the battery down past 85% and that's after 5-6 hours fishing. I'm sure just about any of the new flashers would do the job just fine, but I'm happy with the FL-20.
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some of you guys should look into Lowrance x68 does your flasher have mapping gps and the flasher mode split screen switch it over to your boat for year round use i don't think so all for the same price its a no brain er get one
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I have the bottom line with the flasher and my bird wins hands down!
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some of you guys should look into Lowrance x68 does your flasher have mapping gps and the flasher mode split screen switch it over to your boat for year round use i don't think so all for the same price its a no brain er get one
How old is your unit? To the best of my knowledge it was discontinued a few years back.
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this is the way I see it, They all are great units. I myself am a Vexilar guy and for the money you spend on the flashers you have to look at what you are buying. when I ran my Lx5 for the season I did I had to send in for Two duser's . this thing would just blow the chit out the crystal and I would be down for how ever long it took to get the new one sent to me. I have never had the problem with a Vexilar, this is why I stand behind the 50 years of excellence... OUT PERFORM, AND OUTLAST ( VEXILAR )
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is it just me or are the prices for any of these units at least 3 times what they should be? I bought a matrix with dual screens, zoom, weather, and gps for my boat and it cost less than $300. I bought newer technology for half the price of ancient technology. All of you folks keep paying the high price for this stuff so they keep raising it to see how far they can take it. These units should be around $100 since the concept and technology has been developed and refined for decades already, The only changes in these systems (really) has been the battery, charger, and type of box they can be carried around in. oh yeah....and the zoom feature....whoop de doo - that doesn't justify the cost at all
now that my rant is over - I am still unsure which one to buy because everyone's experience and reviews are relatively the same for any unit. My concern now would be cost......I can't see paying $400 for a new system that may work as well as a $75 system from 10 years ago
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I don't have a wealth of experience with many different manufactured flashers. I do own a Marcum VX-1, very happy with this machine in every way. Awesome Flasher!
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Good thread, thanks for the info .
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Ok, so I know I could get a barrage of answers on this but here goes. Mt brother-in-law got me started in the ice fishing world a few years ago and I really enjoy it now. I have be buying the typical parts and pieces over the last couple years but am finally ready to purchase one of the flashers on the market. I would perfur to buy one and be done with it. Living in MN and having Vexilar in out back yard I'm finding most shops are VERY pro Vex. I have been looking at the LX-5 and the FL-22 trying to figure out the right way to go. I have some concerns about both, first my brother-in-law uses an old Vex and I don't want to over power his signal with the Marc (if that is even possible, still learning all this stuff remember), and then the bottom lock on the Vex that everybody is talking about on this string and other I have been reading, is that really such a big deal in the real world of winter fishing?
Little background on where we fish, smaller lakes for pan fish most of the winter and 2 or 3 trips up to Lake of the Woods, Mille Lacs, or Winni.
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Ok, so I know I could get a barrage of answers on this but here goes. Mt brother-in-law got me started in the ice fishing world a few years ago and I really enjoy it now. I have be buying the typical parts and pieces over the last couple years but am finally ready to purchase one of the flashers on the market. I would perfur to buy one and be done with it. Living in MN and having Vexilar in out back yard I'm finding most shops are VERY pro Vex. I have been looking at the LX-5 and the FL-22 trying to figure out the right way to go. I have some concerns about both, first my brother-in-law uses an old Vex and I don't want to over power his signal with the Marc (if that is even possible, still learning all this stuff remember), and then the bottom lock on the Vex that everybody is talking about on this string and other I have been reading, is that really such a big deal in the real world of winter fishing?
Little background on where we fish, smaller lakes for pan fish most of the winter and 2 or 3 trips up to Lake of the Woods, Mille Lacs, or Winni.
By a Humminbird, there won't be any interference issues, and you can lock onto anywhere in the water column.
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and then the bottom lock on the Vex that everybody is talking about on this string
FYI the bottom lock zoom feature is only useful when in a boat, it has no advantage in ice conditions. Whatever you decide, make sure it zooms, that's the best feature to have. If you want to be buying the first and last flasher you will ever buy, I'd stay away from the FL-22, just because of it's depth restrictions, it is only set up to go 60'. If you wanted to ever try deep water lakers (or anything else) sometime in the future, you'd be S.O.L.
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My bird is as much as a quality fishfinder/gps
This is just a cash grab, old tech modern prices
is it just me or are the prices for any of these units at least 3 times what they should be? I bought a matrix with dual screens, zoom, weather, and gps for my boat and it cost less than $300. I bought newer technology for half the price of ancient technology. All of you folks keep paying the high price for this stuff so they keep raising it to see how far they can take it. These units should be around $100 since the concept and technology has been developed and refined for decades already, The only changes in these systems (really) has been the battery, charger, and type of box they can be carried around in. oh yeah....and the zoom feature....whoop de doo - that doesn't justify the cost at all
now that my rant is over - I am still unsure which one to buy because everyone's experience and reviews are relatively the same for any unit. My concern now would be cost......I can't see paying $400 for a new system that may work as well as a $75 system from 10 years ago
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do the ICE45 and 55 have zoom features - they don't say on the Humminbird website (it's not a very informative site anyway)
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SHOWDOWN 5.6 - love this fine piece of electronics!
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is it just me or are the prices for any of these units at least 3 times what they should be? I bought a matrix with dual screens, zoom, weather, and gps for my boat and it cost less than $300. I bought newer technology for half the price of ancient technology. All of you folks keep paying the high price for this stuff so they keep raising it to see how far they can take it. These units should be around $100 since the concept and technology has been developed and refined for decades already, The only changes in these systems (really) has been the battery, charger, and type of box they can be carried around in. oh yeah....and the zoom feature....whoop de doo - that doesn't justify the cost at all
now that my rant is over - I am still unsure which one to buy because everyone's experience and reviews are relatively the same for any unit. My concern now would be cost......I can't see paying $400 for a new system that may work as well as a $75 system from 10 years ago
Automobiles have been around for over 100 years. If what you are saying is true, they should be giving those away as well. You get what you pay for. Seriously, A Vex should last you well over 10 years. Why would they lower the price? They'd be shooting themselves in the foot. Why dont car manufactures build cars that will go a million miles? Because youd never need to buy a new one!
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do the ICE45 and 55 have zoom features - they don't say on the Humminbird website (it's not a very informative site anyway)
2X Can adjust to see any part of the water column.
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well - I pulled the trigger over the weekend and got me a Marcum LX-3tc . Had some Cabelas bucks to use up so I bit the bullet. Can't wait for ice now so I can actually write a real review for ya'll instead of everyone just saying how better theirs are than someone elses.
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Marcum...I've had no problems with mine and would stand by it any day on the ice
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Of course you know you must have been a user of one of the other systems in order to do a good comparison NJ ;)
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not gonna compare them - just write about the one I have.
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Waiting to read your review NJ. I have been wanting to buy another for a year or two now and have been leaning towards that manufacturer. But Honest reviews, in addition to real life comparisons, and real time use are all going to be helpful.
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I like my Vexilar but for the money you're spending a Marcum LX3-TC will give you the best bang for your buck.
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I returned my Vex and bought an Ice55 that I love...but THAT means NOTHING! You see, I bought a low-end Vex and returned it for the top-of-the-line flasher; not fair to compare. What I would recommend is checking out the Humminbird website and look at their NEW ice fishing series. Their graph/flashers seem like some really good stuff for the price. That being said, don't discount Vexilar either, they are THE KING, and for good reason. Pick a few in your price range, compare the features that MATTER TO YOU. Forget about the silly stuff, like WATTAGE....
Jim
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$400 is a lot of coin and I understand you wanting to get the best for your money...I was there last year! They all work, and work very well!!!! Whatever YOU choose, will work great for you, I promise! Seriously, you can close your eyes, pick one, and be just as happy as if you spent a month doing research. But whatever you do, get one, the quicker the better.... Hell, if you don't have a gas auger yet, I would opt for buying the cheapest flasher I could find, used included, and put away the rest of the money to save for a gas auger! Runnin' and gunnin' with a gas auger and a flasher will bring you a ton more fish. ;)
jim
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They all work well but i'd say look into the marcum... The lines are so much more clear and I have a LX5 that i love. The only difference between the lx5 and lx3-tc is that the lx5 is a dual beam and the lx3 isnt. Not a major issue but something to consider.
The marcum has a movable zoom window unlike the vex. I've talked to guys that have bought the humminbird and been happy and others that hated it. So it goes....
Marcum really stands behind their product and are great to deal with if something ever happens to it.
It almosts seems like watching a HD tv vs. an old standard tube tv compared to a vex...
Ok i'm done ranting, i just really love my marcum...
Good luck and let us know what you decide... ;D
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I have a FL20, and I love it. Redrockstore has an ice 45 right now for under 300 after rebate. Great deal.
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I reviewed all of you posts. I looked at the specs. I looked at my budget. I talked to my friends. I looked at the boxes at Fleet Farm. I bought the Marcum LX3-TC. Zoom and price made the difference for me. 2 outings so far with it. I have out-fished all of my friends 2 to 1. I think zoom made the difference. ;D
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I reviewed all of you posts. I looked at the specs. I looked at my budget. I talked to my friends. I looked at the boxes at Fleet Farm. I bought the Marcum LX3-TC. Zoom and price made the difference for me. 2 outings so far with it. I have out-fished all of my friends 2 to 1. I think zoom made the difference. ;D
Excellent ..... The LX3 has more then enough for just the right amount of money.
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It almosts seems like watching a HD tv vs. an old standard tube tv compared to a vex...
This fellow obviously has not fished with an FL-22 HD, that's OK though. Marcum guys like to compare their high end units to a low end Vex :cookoo:. I used to have Marcum tunnel vision as well but decided to think for myself and bought the best unit out there, the FL-22 HD :thumbsup:
Merry Christmas!!!!!
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I would not say low end vex, just more expensive. I got my lx3 for $325.00 at the ice show. Love it .I have used a vex too love it. The price was right for me. I think they are all good. I have been using a fish buddy for years. What do I know ::)
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I have a FL20, and I love it. Redrockstore has an ice 45 right now for under 300 after rebate. Great deal.
I have a FL20, and I love it. Redrockstore has an ice 45 right now for under 300 after rebate. Great deal.
I think you mean the ICE 35?? I cant find a Ice 45 for under $399.
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This fellow obviously has not fished with an FL-22 HD, that's OK though. Marcum guys like to compare their high end units to a low end Vex :cookoo:. I used to have Marcum tunnel vision as well but decided to think for myself and bought the best unit out there, the FL-22 HD :thumbsup:
Merry Christmas!!!!!
You also stated that the 22 compares to a LX-5, to quote you "Its Vexilars best unit and competes with the LX-5". Maybe they will but that will be the only Vex to come close to matching, the rest match up with Marcums entry level VX-1P
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Yea, I didn't know that Marcum had a "low end" flasher comparitively speaking. They don't have 5 units with 3 diffent packs.
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Yea, I didn't know that Marcum had a "low end" flasher comparitively speaking. They don't have 5 units with 3 diffent packs.
They dont. They are all high end at a low end price. I'd take the marcum 2.15" target sep over vex's 2.5" any day of the week. Feature wise, the vx-1P ($299) lines up almost perfectly with the vex fl18 ($399). The marcum lx-3tc ($399) is the same as the fl20 ($499). And the lx-5 ($499) is just about the same as the fl22hd ($599).
All the marcums come with a soft pack, $50 extra for vex (if you can find one). Feature wise, if you buy a vexilar you are paying $100 for a name.
Vexilar's number one sales pitch is that they were the first to make an ice unit, first to make an ice transducer, and the longest standing company of ice electronics.. yeah, well thats all good.. but I think its time to get with the ages and put out a feature rich flasher at an economy friendly price.
I put it in the same category as buying a GMC truck over a Chevy. Same features, less price.
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I pulled the trigger yesterday and bought a bird ice 45. I took it out for a couple hours in the afternoon and It worked awesome!! The price is what got me. $365 in the store with an after christmas sale of $75 off. That made it $295! Even better I get another $45 rebate from humminbird. Grand total was $250. I wasnt going to be very worried about what brand I got for that price!
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Wow! Fantastic price! You got a great deal on that 45! Keep us posted on what you think of it. Bird is the "newest" to the flasher game and I think there are guys out there who want to wait and see how they do.
In terms of brand, I think some of this depends on where you live. Here in MN, I would guess that 75% or more of guys on the ice are using Vexilar units. You see that on Craigslist too. You'll see a 5 year old FL-18 going for $400 and yet you'll see a Marcum LX-3 going for $175. Just saw one the other day. You'll see guys posting "Vexilar wanted" ads but you won't see that for Marcum. Don't get me wrong, I have no issue with Marcum. I bought a VX-1 for $99 two years ago. I use it as an extra for the kids or if someone doesn't have a flasher. Works great. I did own an LX-5 up until last year but I ended up selling it. It had some features I really liked but I didn't feel I was getting as clear a reading as with my Vex. Just a personal preference I guess.
Same thing with augers. For most guys here, if you said you have a "Nils" auger, they are going to look at you sideways. I would guess that if you asked 10 ice fisherman here what a "Nils" is, probably half of them would have no idea. This is Jiffy or Strikemaster country. Go to NY, Maine or Connecticut and it is a different story. I guess it is just what you grew up with and what your dad used or your uncle or all of your fishing buddies. I don't think these companies would survive unless they made a decent product...just comes down to what you are familiar with.
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They dont. They are all high end at a low end price. I'd take the marcum 2.15" target sep over vex's 2.5" any day of the week. Feature wise, the vx-1P ($299) lines up almost perfectly with the vex fl18 ($399). The marcum lx-3tc ($399) is the same as the fl20 ($499). And the lx-5 ($499) is just about the same as the fl22hd ($599).
All the marcums come with a soft pack, $50 extra for vex (if you can find one). Feature wise, if you buy a vexilar you are paying $100 for a name.
Vexilar's number one sales pitch is that they were the first to make an ice unit, first to make an ice transducer, and the longest standing company of ice electronics.. yeah, well thats all good.. but I think its time to get with the ages and put out a feature rich flasher at an economy friendly price.
I put it in the same category as buying a GMC truck over a Chevy. Same features, less price.
Where is Marcums Tri-Beam? Where is Marcum's flat face viewing area and nightmode? The FL-22 HD has this over the LX-5 and only costs $50 more with the pro pack. Id spend $50 alone on the Tri-beam after using it this season.
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Why is the FL-22 the best, cause' it costs the most? If it works in 10 foot increments and only has bottom zoom where the Marcum can move a 5 foot segment anywhere where is the advantage? Why does it still need a low power mode? Nightmode? Yea, cause flashers are blinding ......... I'd get an Lowrance X67 for half the price of a 22.
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Not a fan of the flatscreen, I'll give you the night mode, as far as tri beam what real benifit is a 12 over a 9 really?? In 6-8' maybe a foot tops?? Whers Vex's charging system like Marcums, 3 color disply,the sharp fine lines??? Vex maybe finaly has a unit in the same class as the LX-5 but not better, definately isnt worth another $50-$200 depending on what Vex pack you get or what sale you catch on a LX.
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:whistle: :whistle: :whistle:
:flex: Chevy ;D :flex:
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Chevy= Marcum
Ford=Vex
Dodge=HB
Yota= ummmmmmmmm
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Why is the FL-22 the best, cause' it costs the most? If it works in 10 foot increments and only has bottom zoom where the Marcum can move a 5 foot segment anywhere where is the advantage? Why does it still need a low power mode? Nightmode? Yea, cause flashers are blinding ......... I'd get an Lowrance X67 for half the price of a 22.
FL-22 HD is the best because of all its options and performance not because of its price. You've never used one, how do you know...cause you read it on the interweb?? I myself have used the LX-3 and LX-5 alot in the past few years and they both fall short of the FL-22. Im not a Marcum fanboy like yourself but will buy Marcum products when they return to the top of the pile..till then you can have em. ;D Happy Ukrainian Christmas!!
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esox magnum, Ford has been the best selling truck for the last 34 years (or something like that). vex all the way. Good fishing to all.
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Yep Fords best selling Chevys longest lasting......Fords best selling due to Ford owners replacing theirs more often........ ;D
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Is this a 4000 watt "flasher"??
>:D >:D >:D
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Guessing thats double that at least, my HDS unit says 30,000 on the box laying here.
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I own a humminbird 35C & it is everything I will ever need. It shows clear and most importantly it shows fish! I think they all do the same general thing (some a little better than others... of course). You really cant go wrong with any of these brands. :tipup:
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Whats the Best Cheap Handheld? like 150? maybe or will that not happen
:tipup:
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Vexilar is the only company i have ever run into in all of my life that offers a service for people that are colorblind. I have worked at one of the highest established eye hospitals in the country, and not a single doctor here gives a crap about color blindness. Vexilar took a step up in my book with that.
Like South33 said though, you really can't go wrong, especially with the big 3. Only thing i haven't heard a lot about is Hummingbird's customer service. I've heard Marcum's is good, and i've dealt now personally with Vexilars. You can call over to Vexilar and the tech there will talk your ear off. He told me a bunch of things to test and look out for in buying a used Vexy, was a lot of help.
They all have something special to offer. I really like the adjustable zoom Marcum has and is the reason i was going to get one over Vexilar. But, Vexilar had the color adjustment to fix my colorblind woes, so, they got my business. Also, i like the flat screens. Marcum should start making those. I was fishing last night in some heaevy snow and it's a pain blowing that snow out of the screen, gets all ver your face.
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why isnt Lowrance x-67c on here?
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I fished with a Micronar FL 8 (anyone remember that machine) and still have it...it worked great for years and still does, except for the fact that you couldn't see the screen in the middle of the day. I switched to a Lowrance M68C but didn't like the slight delay of the LCD..and now I have a Vex 22HD and am very satisfied..no problems..remember, any unit is 100% better than no unit at all..good fishing!!
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hummingbird 565 sonar unit... my father and i have been using our lcr units out of the boat instead of spending the money on a seperate system. it works exactly the same as a flasher as it is instantaneous response and it gives me a great display. plus the 565 is a dual beam so i get a nice wide view of whats goin on below me... slight upgrade from the 535 dad uses. and at $150 regular price its a nice break for the wallet
so if you dont want to spend the money on a seperate system look into trying your boats sonar unit... it beats spending 500 for a flasher you are generally going to use just for hardwater
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hummingbird 565 sonar unit... my father and i have been using our lcr units out of the boat instead of spending the money on a seperate system. it works exactly the same as a flasher as it is instantaneous response and it gives me a great display. plus the 565 is a dual beam so i get a nice wide view of whats goin on below me... slight upgrade from the 535 dad uses. and at $150 regular price its a nice break for the wallet
so if you dont want to spend the money on a seperate system look into trying your boats sonar unit... it beats spending 500 for a flasher you are generally going to use just for hardwater
I agree! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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There are some updates that need to be made, what all of them are I'm not certain but when I was looking for a new unit this year, I noticed that there are a few things that aren't accurate.
The Vex FL18 is wired for the charger, and it's included in the pack. No attaching clips anymore, and it is a step charger that you can leave connected indefinitely. (AFAIK, they're shipping everything that way now.)
Target ID of 1/2"
There were a couple of other things there, I can't remember them now.
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Chevy= Marcum
Ford=Vex
Dodge=HB
Yota= ummmmmmmmm
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The only differnce is that "vex" didnt take a MASSIVE government bailouts of tax payer funds and getting HUGE tax breaks on the tax payers also...... >:(
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LOL true, but Vex aren't made in the US anyway let the Japanese goverment bail them out ;D
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toyota= Lowrance = ol faithful
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toyota= Lowrance = ol faithful
Unless your in deep snow then they are stuck LOL
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This is just like asking a group of old lady's whose grandchild is the cutest LOL
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I`m a satisfied fl-18 user but I`ve never tried a marcum or ever seen one on the ice for that matter. I was wonderind about the interferance control on the marcum as the vexilar has a pattented interference control built into the gain knob. You can use several of these unit really close together. I`m always trying to keep with what what companys are doing as an upgrade is always inthe works, I strive to collect the best without going broke.
Yep...Most people haven't seen a Marcum working on the ice. Nor have most Ice Fishermen Seen the Icegator ever cutting holes through the ice. I like Quality, and after I used my Marcum, I knew hands down this Fish Finder was the Best!..As for being Quiet cutting through the ice, instead of Turning through 18" or more of hard ice, I really like the Icegator. If I want noise, I'll bring my Getto Blaster on the ice and turn it on Full Blast..
Just my opinion :P
Oh...As for Interference? Well, I only have to push the IR button 1 time..ONCE..all Interference will be GONE!!!...
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Wow, I do not know anything :P about this stuff but am going to talk myself into buying one. I saw this fellow on the ice the other day he had a Vex and I asked him about it, he said he would never fish without it.
Now I read all the stuff that was posted on this and I am now really confused. a couple questions:
I don't think I need "zoom" as i see about 200$ change in price without it.
All I want is to see bottom (depth) my lure and where the fish is in the water column.
Is there a basic model that can just give me that ? I saw a Vex in the 1st post that was about 289$ and I think that was what I am looking for. Any opinions on this. I would be mostly chasing Walleye with this.
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Wow, I do not know anything :P about this stuff but am going to talk myself into buying one. I saw this fellow on the ice the other day he had a Vex and I asked him about it, he said he would never fish without it.
Now I read all the stuff that was posted on this and I am now really confused. a couple questions:
I don't think I need "zoom" as i see about 200$ change in price without it.
All I want is to see bottom (depth) my lure and where the fish is in the water column.
Is there a basic model that can just give me that ? I saw a Vex in the 1st post that was about 289$ and I think that was what I am looking for. Any opinions on this. I would be mostly chasing Walleye with this.
Get a lowrance x 67c ice machine.
Low price (290 bucks plus free shipping on e-bay)
Both graph and "wheel" (vex/masrcum type display screens) on this unit.
2x and 4 x zoom.
Night modes, sensitivity adjustments, full color options (you set up the colors that work best for YOU, not what is given to you and have to deal with.)
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Wow, I do not know anything :P about this stuff but am going to talk myself into buying one. I saw this fellow on the ice the other day he had a Vex and I asked him about it, he said he would never fish without it.
Now I read all the stuff that was posted on this and I am now really confused. a couple questions:
I don't think I need "zoom" as i see about 200$ change in price without it.
All I want is to see bottom (depth) my lure and where the fish is in the water column.
Is there a basic model that can just give me that ? I saw a Vex in the 1st post that was about 289$ and I think that was what I am looking for. Any opinions on this. I would be mostly chasing Walleye with this.
If you are after Walleyes, i'd get the Auto Zoom feature.
I have a Vexilar FL 18 Genz Pack. I got it for $360 on ebay this winter, free shipping as well. I can not tell you how key the zoom is when chasing 'eyes. Lots of time you may not be able to see if there is activity on the bottom in normal mode. Then flup on the zoom and you can then see in better detail if it's weeds, or fish, or just nothing. The price jump is a bit steep, but for sure worth it. It's not some gimmick feature that is useless.
So what you can do is get the low end Marcum vx-1 I think it is. My friend bought that one. Virtually identical feature wise to the FL 18. His was only $280 or so. Marcums look a bit different, but you get more bang for the buck feature wise. I love my Fl 18 and he loves his marcum. I spent $80 more dollars, so you be the judge.
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If you are after Walleyes, i'd get the Auto Zoom feature.
I have a Vexilar FL 18 Genz Pack. I got it for $360 on ebay this winter, free shipping as well. I can not tell you how key the zoom is when chasing 'eyes. Lots of time you may not be able to see if there is activity on the bottom in normal mode. Then flup on the zoom and you can then see in better detail if it's weeds, or fish, or just nothing. The price jump is a bit steep, but for sure worth it. It's not some gimmick feature that is useless.
So what you can do is get the low end Marcum vx-1 I think it is. My friend bought that one. Virtually identical feature wise to the FL 18. His was only $280 or so. Marcums look a bit different, but you get more bang for the buck feature wise. I love my Fl 18 and he loves his marcum. I spent $80 more dollars, so you be the judge.
$80 is nothing, that vex is worth it, I have a 4 year old fl20 and just got a LX3, there is no comparing the 2, the vex is just that much better, the display is way to small on the marcum I don't know if it is any larger on the LX5, if it isnt, nobody on this planet could say the marcum is better than a vex, I have both, they would be talking poop, and I loose my lure all the time with the marcum and have to turn gain way up to find it, and then I get a huge amt of clutter? Nice case though, sorry don't mean to offend just speaking the truth.
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Wow, I do not know anything :P about this stuff but am going to talk myself into buying one. I saw this fellow on the ice the other day he had a Vex and I asked him about it, he said he would never fish without it.
Now I read all the stuff that was posted on this and I am now really confused. a couple questions:
I don't think I need "zoom" as i see about 200$ change in price without it.
All I want is to see bottom (depth) my lure and where the fish is in the water column.
Is there a basic model that can just give me that ? I saw a Vex in the 1st post that was about 289$ and I think that was what I am looking for. Any opinions on this. I would be mostly chasing Walleye with this.
haha
Forget what everybody else said; Get a Humminbird! ;D
I have the ICE 35 & 45 & they are great! They are very affordable & work flawlessly. The ICE models all come with zoom & I feel if you are going to get a flasher you would want the zoom, I use it all the time for jigging, & for salmon fishing. What ever you choose you will be happy with it. Good Luck!
-South
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Humminbirds are the best value, the 35 is awesome, only problem you better not fish anywhere near another humminbird, never in the same shelter, the interference is aweful and cant be cleared by IR, they do work well with Vex's Marcums and showdowns. I would have bought a 35, as a second unit but I have a couple buddies who have them and when I saw the all the interference I bought the showdown(mistake) traded it for a LX3 which is much better.
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Humminbirds are the best value, the 35 is awesome, only problem you better not fish anywhere near another humminbird, never in the same shelter, the interference is aweful and cant be cleared by IR, they do work well with Vex's Marcums and showdowns. I would have bought a 35, as a second unit but I have a couple buddies who have them and when I saw the all the interference I bought the showdown(mistake) traded it for a LX3 which is much better.
If there are only 2 'Birds than you can cancel out the interference by being on different beams, and playing with the interference levels.
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Let's not forget to update this list when the LX-7 gets released. ;D
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If there are only 2 'Birds than you can cancel out the interference by being on different beams, and playing with the interference levels.
You can cancell out the interference by going on 2x for one bird and 4x for the other.....different frequencies!
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I'm going to pull the trigger on a flasher my budget is 3~400.
I have been looking at all my options and this is where I have questions.
I fish shallow 99 % of the time 8 to 30 ft.
I just need a unit that can see fish and my jig.
I'm torn between the Vex FL8SE the Marcum VX1 PRO and the Lowrance X67
Leaning towards the Lowrance X67 because it has the graph or flasher mode and split screen.
How does the X67 LCD screen perform in cold weather after hours of fishing with out a shack.
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i have a fl 18 and a 67c love the vex but it now stays home , i have never had a problem with the 67 fished it in -20 in a flip over but i would suggest a little stronger battery it does tend to use more juice than the hip no wheels , but i can get 10 hours out of it that is an average day fishing , being an ol buzzard i don't fish without a shack ,only first and last ice ,but I'm thinking of up grading to a hd5 ,i have Lowrance's on the boat and i couldn't be happier with their product ,just do some research they all work you just need the one the best suits your needs ,lots of time before ice - tite lines
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Buy the Marcum LX 5 , I have owned them all , My last buy is the Vex FL 22 . The LX 5 is a great all around unit , very brite display , the only dislike is the display is smaller than the Vex FL 20 or 22. Don't drive yourself mad thinking all about them like I do, Buy from my experience or what your pocket will allow . they all will help you catch more fish.....Buy a vex or marcum!!!!!
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Buy the Marcum LX 5 , I have owned them all , My last buy is the Vex FL 22 . The LX 5 is a great all around unit , very brite display , the only dislike is the display is smaller than the Vex FL 20 or 22. Don't drive yourself mad thinking all about them like I do, Buy from my experience or what your pocket will allow . they all will help you catch more fish.....Buy a vex or marcum!!!!!
you didn't mention Lowrance way cheaper and a lot more features and have been with all types including paper graphs now we are talking about all electronics not just the hip-no wheels, and from ice to boat ,and i have a fl 18 deep nice unit but the Lowrance out performs it i hate to say ,think i might just up grade to a hd 5 and that is structure scan capability, and can zoom any where in the water column ,just an ol buzzards .02 do the home work bro and by what suits your needs
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So, i am hoping to make my first purchase of a flasher. What do i get? or do?
should i buy a crazy old one off someone (kijiji) seen a old Egale 60 for $40 or spend $300 for what one
Marcum VX1 / Showdown Troller / or FL-8
i cant find much stuff (reviews) on debating what has what and best for money.
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Check out the Lowrance 67c that's what I'm getting after 2 years of research.
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i used and abused a fl8 for too many years to remember. they are a great machine. i have used a little green box. i have used the fl18 that i have now. i ordered a marcum which i am waiting on. each and every one of these units worked great. learn how to use them and you will love them. buy what your wallet can afford and as time goes on you will be able to upgrade. the best is in the eyes of the beholder. good luck and have fun.
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should i buy a underwater camera instead?
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this year I upgraded from the fl-8 to the Fl-20. Come on ice!!!!! ;D
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should i buy a underwater camera instead?
Nope............
Flasher ALWAYS comes first!!!!! Toys later ;)
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should i buy a underwater camera instead?
no :nono:
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no :nono:
They suck I have one and it's not what you think it would be.
It's not going to give you any advantage.
I'll be catching fish left and right stick that camera down there and wont catch a fish or see any.
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Cameras have their advantages too - you can tell what kind of fish there are, what the bottom looks like (weeds), etc...
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Cameras have their advantages too - you can tell what kind of fish there are, what the bottom looks like (weeds), etc...
Very true, but I'd still get the flasher first. @)
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this year I upgraded from the fl-8 to the Fl-20. Come on ice!!!!! ;D
Exactly what I'm doing.
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i have a camera great for scouting out spots checking out structures ,but not helpful in stained water ,other draw back fishing deep ,well in my case i don't want to be fishing in 30-40' fow and get a walleye tangled in the camera cord this not at all fun
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Hi, im trying to figure out what kind of flasher to buy,i am looking into the marcum vx-1,for $299,also like that its made in the USA,is vexilar also made in the USA ?
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Humminbird
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Vex is made in Japan.
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QFT
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OYE!
It's too early to start the never ending topic :-\
RG
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Buy the one that you can get a better deal on! They are very similar. I own both and they are fine units! ;D
Keep it positive boys! :P
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marcum! you get more for your money ;D
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more features in the $300 price range with humminbird............ dual beam and zoom anywhere in the water column.
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Showdown. Great unit for the money.
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Lug nut and kite string. Biggest bang for your buck. ;D
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Go read the equipment sub-forum and forget you ever posted this thread. ;D
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Marcum. That's how I roll!!
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Humminbird
more features in the $300 price range with humminbird............ dual beam and zoom anywhere in the water column.
Just curious....
If you went to the store and they said, " we have blue paint and we have white paint, which one do you want" would you say " Ill take the green one?"
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Just curious....
If you went to the store and they said, " we have blue paint and we have white paint, which one do you want" would you say " Ill take the green one?"
Only giving my 2 cents. Marcum of Vex is doesn't matter. They all work.....
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VX-1 only has single beam and bottom lock zoom. Bird 35 can zoom anywhere.............. ...bigger screen!!!
Sorry, I thought he asked about Vexilar and Marcum,I musta missed his post asking about Birds.
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Sorry for offending anybody i was just giveing him my opinion and onother option, you can never get to much info befor you spend hundreds of doller. so im sorry if i offended any body.
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The showdowns are nice as well ::)
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Sorry for offending anybody i was just giveing him my opinion and onother option, you can never get to much info befor you spend hundreds of doller. so im sorry if i offended any body.
didn't see anything offensive posted.
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GOOD LORD HERE WE GO AGAIN >>>> THEY ALL WORK VERY VERY WELL....
I have fish the original FL8 for years. I was fishing with my OLD fl8 next to an Ice 55 and i out fish his guy 2 to 1......I have fish and used many many of the new ones from all brands they all do cool stuff and can help you mark fish but you have to catch them.
Just buy the best one you can afford and you wont be sorry.
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didn't see anything offensive posted.
well wen you made the post about the blue white and green paint you didnt sond to happy . I hope yur not mad but since the post is not directed towards you i guess i wont worry abot it.
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I just wanted to add my 2 cents worth on this thread. I have a Humminbird ICE_55 and have since they came out 2008 or 2009 cant remember. I have no complaints the unit has never let me down.the target seperation is just fine my freezer is always full. the battery last a real long time,none of the knobs have ever broken. The zooms are just fine they do work. i have seldom have lost site of my fiskas on the screen.The large face on the dial has always been easy to read! the digital display is wonderful. I could go on but I think everyone got the message. I also have a vexilar FL-18 for years a good unit also I prefer the bird it has many more bells and whistles. Buy want you want for your needs not some teck wise employee of a company selling them!!
All are good units they all have there weaknesses. I can say the Humminbird has worked for me and its my choice for my needs!!!
Jarhead(Bill)
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Lots of good info in this thread. I am a novice to flashers myself but have narrowed my future purchase down to either vex or a marcum.
Thanks for the insight
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Anyone have any thoughts on a LX-3tc vs a Showdown 5.6?
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I think Marcum is the best for the money.....
the showdown's are a hit. The showdown 5.6 dual beam is good if you fish areas containing steep drops or timber that would show you a false bottom otherwise with the regular 5.6.....otherwise the regular 5.6 works just fine for 100 bucks less. I don't care for standard vexilars cause my eyes end up buggin out after a while from the colors, but thats my only beef with them.
In any case, just get the one you can afford and it'll work fine.....if you have the money spend it because like alot of other things you get what you pay for
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just got the lx3 after a bunch of research. its perfect for what i am doing. i usually fish under 30 ft of water, has moveable zoom if i wanna target suspended crappies and has a true zoom vs magnification. ive just played with it a little bit, ready to get on some ice with it but it seems very well made and comes with a case battery charger and a 20 degree ducer which is the same as the showdown your looking at. so the conclusion is, get what fits your needs and your preferences. if you like the vertical gray display go showdown. if you like the colors and dial display go with lx3 from what ive read your not gonna have a problem with customer service either way
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OMG................... ..OH MY GAWWWWWD............re ally ???
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I have used a couple Vexlars, Hummingbird and Marcum LX3 TC. I catch fish with all of them. I bought the Marcum, "American Made"
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Anyone have any thoughts on a LX-3tc vs a Showdown 5.6?
Get the lx3, I had the showdown dual beam last season, did not work like it should, they sent me a new transducer, still did not work, then a new unit, this unit did not work at all, so I told marcum I had no confidence in the showdown and would rather take a flasher, within a week I had a new lx3, love the unit, wish it had dual beam but at least it works. Marcum costumer service rocks! Marcum also covered shipping cost to send back the lovely showdowns.
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The Humminbird ice 55 is 2400 peak to peak and 300 watts rms not 100 watts , my wont to change that.
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Officially joined team Marcum . Lx-3tc is being delivered by brown any day now
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i am whit team humminbird it's a nice machine i dont regret it at all.
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I am lush I enjoy them all ;)
I like the fl 8 (ice time 5yrs)
I use the humminbird ice55 385Ci combo great unit with the gps and ability to fish 2 holes at oce (Ice time 2yrs)
I also dove into the world of marcum head first with the lx7 and it seems like it is going to be a great unit !!! (3 hours LOL)
Good fishing to everyone who cares what you use!!!
Ben..............
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I have the fl-20 and marcum lx-7 both are great units
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Either way I'd go with Marcum, they have great customer service and more power. I have the Showdown Dual Beam and love it. It works perfectly and as advertised. It's also more user friendly.
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I have been ice fishing for 14 years. Finally the flashers/sonars have caught my eye.
I fish both walleye and lake trout. I need a good reliable machine. Warranty is "good"
but I don't want to part with my machine for a month for repairs. I am not looking
for the most expensive or newest model as they may not have the kinks worked out.
The age old question: "What would be a good machine for me?"
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Upgraded from a 15 yr old FL8 to the Marcum LX5. Love the LX5. The super fine line option and zooming in on any part of the water column is sweet. I have def caught more fish because of the LX5.
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just got the vexilar fl18 and i like it, but have yet to catch a fish with it... but so far so good, i do wish it had the adjustable zoom feature thou......
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Going to the USA to see if they have any on sale,whick one do you prefer?
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Going to the USA to see if they have any on sale,whick one do you prefer?
Depending on models, I "probably" would take a Vexillar FL 18 or FL20 over a Humminbird 35, good units but they also cost twice as much as the Bird. Bang for the buck you can't beat the Humminbird 35 for what's out there on the market today. I have one and love it, no problems at all in three years. Vexillars play well with other flashers (interference) but are expensive (the models I like, the 18 and 20). Birds don't play well with other Birds in the same tent. Flashers aren't cheap in the States either normally.
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1st marcum 2nd bird 3rd vex
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I like my vex 18 I fished with a guy who had a marcum really noisy.
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I got a FL-18. Pricey but you get what you pay for
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I have a FL-20 Pro Pack & the wife has the Bird 55, We like them both and do not prefer one over the other. When my son is old enough we will get him a Marcum just to mix things up a bit.
You will be happy with either brand. :tipup:
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I've used a Marcum lx5 for years, awesome awesome unit. But I just bought a vexilar fl8 for my kid and I've played with it, I have to say that it is pretty damn good for the money. Not quite as precise as the lx5 but it's half the price, it does the job just fine. I agree the bird 35 is a good flasher for the price but I'd get an entry level marcum way before the bird. It's like the ford dodge Chevy argument, they all do the job. I've used and fished with guys with them all and they all work overall.
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Speaking from experience, Bird's don't play nice together. So if you fish with someone else regularily and he/she has a Humminbird, I wouldn't get another one. I have a ICE35 and I love it! But, when I fish with my buddy who has a ICE55, we have to take turns using our flashers as there is tons of interference when we are both in the same tent using our flashers at the same time.
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Flat liner, this topic comes up every season (sometimes several times a season). If you search previous posts you will find lots of good replies/reviews to supplement what is said here. It helped me make my choice.
Hope this helps you make yours.
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Ice 55.
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I agree the bird 35 is a good flasher for the price but I'd get an entry level marcum way before the bird.
Why? doesn't sound like a good deal, an entry level Marcum VX1 or LX3 are single beam flashers, a notch down from the Bird 35 (45, 55) which is double beam and yet they cost just as much as a double beam Bird 35.
The Bird 35 for instance is in same class as the Marcum LX5 only for less money.....way less.
IMO Humminbirds have the best screens out there, then the high end Vex.
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Flat liner, this topic comes up every season (sometimes several times a season). If you search previous posts you will find lots of good replies/reviews to supplement what is said here. It helped me make my choice.
Hope this helps you make yours.
Thanks, I will do that also,but these guys all have good pionts to consider.
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Landlockedviking there is a simple fix for you and your buddy with another bird is one of you goes on single beam and one on dual beam should work just fine then
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I posted a question about getting a flasher or not and everyone was very helpful. I decided a need one and cant decide on a Marcum lx-5, lx-3tc, Vexilar fl-18, or fl-12. YOu guys are always very helpfull and hope you can help me dicide. Mostly for ice fishing from about 7'-about 45', Thank you ;D
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Between those choices i'd go with the fl-18. If I had my way though I would buy the lx-6 or lx-7.
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All of the above will work great, customer service from both are top notch you wouldn't go wrong with either brand. That said, I switched from Vexilar to Marcum last year as I feel the Marcum units show lure/fish with finer lines than the Vexilars do, also the Vexilars that I had would show bottom about 4 to 8 inches above where bottom actually was, fish that looked like they were on top of your lure were actually 4 to 12 inches away from the lure verified by underwater camera.
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Actually, for your first one, you should consider buying a cheap used one like a FL-8 and learn ow to use one, figure out exactly what more you want and the resell and buy exactly the one thats right for you.
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I have used one many times. I am very comfortable with one and just want to get the best my money can buy. Thank you for everyone's input, sorry if I came off a little rude in this comment.
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Nothing wrong with an LX 5.
WS
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I don't really know All I can afford is a fl8. But, Hummingbird just came out with some 360 degree flasher of some sort if you want to check that out.
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Lx 5
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i'd go lx5 out of all you mentioned. i'd not even consider a fl12 if i fished over 40'. a zoom is a necessity.
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I really like my Lowrance x67c. Graph, Zoom, AND flasher. New units are the Elite series 4 and 5's. Best of both worlds. Then in the summer you can fit them to your boat.
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i'd go lx5 out of all you mentioned. i'd not even consider a fl12 if i fished over 40'. a zoom is a necessity.
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I am still on my first one, LX-3tc, which I purchased four years ago. I love it! Would like to have the dual beam transducer of the LX-5, but outside of that, no regrets.
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Of all your choices listed the 12 and 18 would be my last 2 choices and the 12 wouldnt even be a consideration in my book....Of those listed the 5 would be my top choice but as someone else stated go for the 6 or 7 they are simpley amazing....
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Bird ice 35 you get dual beam and zoom for the price of an fl 8 or vx1. Just throwing that out there. on my 4th year with mine and nothing but happy.
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Bird ice 35 you get dual beam and zoom for the price of an fl 8 or vx1. Just throwing that out there. on my 4th year with mine and nothing but happy.
I heard somewhere that people had problems with their flasher face freezing up on the humminbirds in really cold weather.
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I had the FL-12 and upgraded to the LX-6 but even the LX-5 would trump the FL-18. The LX-5 has all the zoom functions you need. It can zoom throughout the entire water column, has better target definition and way finer lines over more of the vexilar "blob". I never thought I would stray away from the Vexilar's but I am happy that I did.
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I've only been ice fishing for 3 years and just this year i purchased a showdown i found it very easy to use and it's idiot proof and can be upgraded my son has no trouble using it i recommend you check it out on the marcum site and u tube
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You can't go wrong with the Hummingbird 55, Marcum LX-5 or the Vexilar FL18, Fl-20 or Fl-22. All are nice units and will be a great tool that will help you put more fish in your bucket ;D
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I really like my Lowrance x67c. Graph, Zoom, AND flasher. New units are the Elite series 4 and 5's. Best of both worlds. Then in the summer you can fit them to your boat.
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by far the best deal for your money!!! the zoom is awesome, flasher is great and the graph works wonders in the summer!!! really if you want to put fish on the ice and in the boat this is the model to choose.
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LX-5
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i have the vexilar fl-18 pro pack with a dual beam transducer and couldnt be happier with it.
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lx5 best flasher on market for price enough said get it bro wont be dissapointed
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best in his opinion! ;) ;) ;)
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LX5
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Actually, for your first one, you should consider buying a cheap used one like a FL-8 and learn ow to use one, figure out exactly what more you want and the resell and buy exactly the one thats right for you.
Agree!
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Actually, for your first one, you should consider buying a cheap used one like a FL-8 and learn ow to use one, figure out exactly what more you want and the resell and buy exactly the one thats right for you.
Why? Why make it cost you $100 to "learn" when you can learn on a better unit. I guess if you can afford to upgrade every year it would be fine. But most people I have taught how to use a flasher picked it up in 5 minutes, and it was not on a fl-8.
Just does not make any sense to me!
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I got my wife an 18 to learn on, she hated it and couldnt understand it.... she could though easily understand my LX-5 and made me get her one and sell the 18 after 20 minutes of use....She will be running a LX-7 next season...
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LX5
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Why? Why make it cost you $100 to "learn" when you can learn on a better unit. I guess if you can afford to upgrade every year it would be fine. But most people I have taught how to use a flasher picked it up in 5 minutes, and it was not on a fl-8.
Just does not make any sense to me!
Because after I bought the FL-8 I realized the rest is a waste of money FOR ME. 1- I've never jigged in over 30ft of water. 2- We all know that fish like to suspend so seeing the bottom 6 or 12 feet is not worth paying the extra money for when it's not always needed. 3- I can recall many of years fishing with none of the stuff we have now and making it just fine so anything extra is a bonus.
This is just my opinion not saying it's right.
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I fish shallow alot and the advantages of the LX series Marcums leave even the high end Vex's in the dust.... Ability to see through weeds, the ability to have super fine lines to tell size and quantity of fish, in water over 10' the zoom is always on to increase the seperation to pick up bottom hugging eyes/perch, things no Vex has the ability to do....I have owned 18's, 8's and used the 12-20 and 22's all alongside my LX's and none have have come close to the Marcums...Now with the new digital units Marcums raised the bar even further... Sure a Vex works and better than nothing but theres many better units out there made by others at a lower price point for more options and better performance...Would you pay more for a brand new 1990 pickup or less for a new 2013 one?
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I have the lx-3tc and I love it...awesome...but if u can get an lx-5 do it
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I fish shallow alot and the advantages of the LX series Marcums leave even the high end Vex's in the dust.... Ability to see through weeds, the ability to have super fine lines to tell size and quantity of fish, in water over 10' the zoom is always on to increase the seperation to pick up bottom hugging eyes/perch, things no Vex has the ability to do....I have owned 18's, 8's and used the 12-20 and 22's all alongside my LX's and none have have come close to the Marcums...Now with the new digital units Marcums raised the bar even further... Sure a Vex works and better than nothing but theres many better units out there made by others at a lower price point for more options and better performance...Would you pay more for a brand new 1990 pickup or less for a new 2013 one?
I had a Marcum LX 3TC and It never told me the size of the fish. your Marcum Must have super powers. the only true statement you can tell me for sure is the marcum display has more crisp line and thats it. you cant tell me you have a 30 inch fish with the color line you see. that is not true. and to the original post go check out flashers see what you like find the one that suits your needs and the one you wont mind looking at for hours at a time.
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I have the lx-3tc and if I set the gain correctly I can definitely tell the difference between sizes of fish. Not within inches but the diff between a large perch and a small one.
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Great info my only question is can you spot your jig on the marcum vx1 and the vexilar fl-8se?
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I used to have the vx-1 and I could see super small panfish jigs in 60 fow...prob coulda seen farther just never tried
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Had the fl-8se was good unit but for your money get one for same price with more options.... They all show your jig and fish. If you want to see a big difference in fish size and good separation of those fish in a school Marcum is great. Nothing gets by you on the bottom either,No dead space there...Go to the store and look at the displays and turn them on. On marcum lx5 press zoom and turn it on. the simulator mode will show the crisp lines. The lx3 with have the same the vx1 is a 2 bulb blend for the 3rd color.
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Thanks a lot for the replies now I just have to find one
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Could someone explain the benefit to the higher peak to peak watts?
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It is like open water units... More detail and separation. Sure the lower watt units will do the job but I have found the 2500 watts of the lx5 to erase the dead zone on the bottom, show great separation in fish in a school and show size of those fish. You can pick a target out in a school and go after that one. With a unit with less wattage they all look the same and the school seems blended. A single target on a 400 watt unit can be 2 fish a single target on my lx5 is a single fish... I have used both and prefer the 2500. Like I said though a 400 watt flasher will show enough to catch lots and lots of fish! Hope this explains a little.
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Hello again,
I am looking for suggestions on what's a good flasher. I know that Vexilar is a major favorite, but there are so many models and various packs are available. I don't know how to work a flasher, so I am looking for one that I will be able to pick up on fairly easily. I am also looking for these qualities:
- accuracy
- durablity
- decent battery life
- not a huge price tag
By looking at Vexilar's web page, I would think I'd be looking for the FL-12 or 18.
Thanks for your time!
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Marcum showdown! It's a vitlrtical display and the best target seperation. It's really really simple. Also one of the cheaper ones. Just look at the top of this page you will see the Marcum logo click it and see for yourself
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marcum...
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HUMMINBIRD! More bang for your buck.
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Vexilar by far! Hands down best of the best.
I started with the fl-8 and upgraded 2 years ago to the fl-22.
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Love my FL18 :tipup: :icefish:
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I have never cared about what every one else is using, I just look for the what will work for me the best. I found the Garmin 300C Fish Finder (not the Echo) to have all the features that I was looking for; Color with a high pixel count, a gain that lets me see tiny jigs in 40+ feet of water, a split screen with ZOOM, a flasher screen if I want it, but best of all, all for about $200.00. It does not come or have available from Garmin an “Ice Transducer”, but Ice Shanty is full of ways to get around that. Now that I have used it for a couple season, I can say that it performed very well. On both ice and open water, fresh and saltwater. There is NO lag time what so ever. I use 2 rechargeable 6 volt batteries ($20 total) in series for a total of 9 amps (cheaper than 1, 7 amp 12 volt battery). I tested the batteries for about 18 hour in two days and still had not gotten the batteries below 11.5 volts (unit works down to 10 volts). The dual beam is great and helpful split screen zoom!
It would not be the right unit for every one, but it has almost all the features of units selling for twice the money and will work even better for open water use.
Specs;
Display size, WxH: 2.1" x 2.8", 3.5" diagonal
Display resolution, WxH: 240 x 320 pixels
Display type: QVGA
Weight: 9.6 oz (272 g)
Waterproof: yes (IPX7)
Features and Benefits:
Audible alarms: yes
Dual-beam sonar capable : yes
Split-screen zoom: yes
Ultrascroll® (displays fish targets at higher boat speeds): yes
Fish Symbol ID (helps identify fish targets): yes
AutoGain Technology (minimizes clutter, maximizes targets): yes
Whiteline (indicates hard or soft bottom): yes
Adjustable depth line (measures depth of underwater objects): yes
Bottom lock (shows return from the bottom up): yes
Water temperature log and graph: yes
Water temperature sensor included: yes
Water speed capable (displays speed on water): yes
Frequency: 80/200 kHz (dual beam)
Transmit power: Dual Beam, 150 W (RMS), 1,200 Watts (peak to peak)
Voltage range: 10-20 VDC
Maximum depth: 900 ft (dual beam)
Cone angle: 45° or 15° (dual beam)
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Well I was in the same boat last year. I looked around and asked some questions on here. I went with the Marcum VX1-Pro. I would have had to go to a Vexilar FL-18? to get the same features, and the Marcum was about 100 bucks less. I got it from Sportsman Guide for 229.00 I think. Plus if you want you can make payments on it from there. The other choice would have been a Hummingbird for me. Why? More features for less $$$. But I could not find anything close to SG price on the Marcum. It is very simple to use, has a zoom and is very dependable.
I think for a lot of people the flasher question is like Ford vs Chevy or Dem vs Rep. Don't bore them with the facts they have made their minds up. For me it was very simple, I looked at who was giving me the best bang for my buck. I could have cared less about the brand as they all had good reps. From what I could see, Vex was the most expensive and gave me the least features for it.
That is just my findings. But I could be wrong......
Bottom line is its your money, look at them all and pick the one you like best. I like the Marcum you might like something else. For the Money the VX-1 is hard to beat.
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I would say go out with someone that has a flasher and try it for the type of fish you are going for. Ask around and try all the big brands . I have bought and used the Marcum LX7 and the Vex F18 and the Humminbird ice45 - 55 , all worked great but for me but I keep the Humminbird ice 55. Look for sales !!! I bought my 55 two years ago for $329.00 new online. Target sep. - I don`t fish for Guppys.
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If you use the search function on the forum you can find many posts about this very topic. There is also a lot of good information in past posts, check those out and you should find all the answers you need. This is a Ford v. Dodge v. Chevy debate and it happens every year.
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If you use the search function on the forum you can find many posts about this very topic. There is also a lot of good information in past posts, check those out and you should find all the answers you need. This is a Ford v. Dodge v. Chevy debate and it happens every year.
I.E. "The Flasher War"!!! Just like the auger wars, etc.!! But it helps pass the time until we can get on the ice and use the stuff!! Plus some members don't know how to find the information on the site and some just don't care to!! :woot: :icefish:
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Marcum or nothing! let the wars begin
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What are you fishing for?
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What are you fishing for?
X2 and how deep many choices out there
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The only thing I will add is that some flashers/ finders don't co- exist well near others and some don't have any problems at all so take that into consideration .
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Marcum Showdown 2.0 for a starter system.
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Less filling no better taste. But on here its not sexy girls fighting its sweaty hairy smelly stubborn men.
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Hands down, Marcum is better. You cannot go wrong with the Vx-1 pro, Lx-3,Lx-5 or the big boys.... Lx6,Lx7 or even the Lx9 ;) Check out Marcum's website. You WILL NOT be disappointed!!!!!!! :icefish:
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Hands down, Marcum is better. You cannot go wrong with the Vx-1 pro, Lx-3,Lx-5 or the big boys.... Lx6,Lx7 or even the Lx9 ;) Check out Marcum's website. You WILL NOT be disappointed!!!!!!! :icefish:
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I have never cared about what every one else is using, I just look for the what will work for me the best. I found the Garmin 300C Fish Finder (not the Echo) to have all the features that I was looking for; Color with a high pixel count, a gain that lets me see tiny jigs in 40+ feet of water, a split screen with ZOOM, a flasher screen if I want it, but best of all, all for about $200.00. It does not come or have available from Garmin an “Ice Transducer”, but Ice Shanty is full of ways to get around that. Now that I have used it for a couple season, I can say that it performed very well. On both ice and open water, fresh and saltwater. There is NO lag time what so ever. I use 2 rechargeable 6 volt batteries ($20 total) in series for a total of 9 amps (cheaper than 1, 7 amp 12 volt battery). I tested the batteries for about 18 hour in two days and still had not gotten the batteries below 11.5 volts (unit works down to 10 volts). The dual beam is great and helpful split screen zoom!
It would not be the right unit for every one, but it has almost all the features of units selling for twice the money and will work even better for open water use.
Specs;
Display size, WxH: 2.1" x 2.8", 3.5" diagonal
Display resolution, WxH: 240 x 320 pixels
Display type: QVGA
Weight: 9.6 oz (272 g)
Waterproof: yes (IPX7)
Features and Benefits:
Audible alarms: yes
Dual-beam sonar capable : yes
Split-screen zoom: yes
Ultrascroll® (displays fish targets at higher boat speeds): yes
Fish Symbol ID (helps identify fish targets): yes
AutoGain Technology (minimizes clutter, maximizes targets): yes
Whiteline (indicates hard or soft bottom): yes
Adjustable depth line (measures depth of underwater objects): yes
Bottom lock (shows return from the bottom up): yes
Water temperature log and graph: yes
Water temperature sensor included: yes
Water speed capable (displays speed on water): yes
Frequency: 80/200 kHz (dual beam)
Transmit power: Dual Beam, 150 W (RMS), 1,200 Watts (peak to peak)
Voltage range: 10-20 VDC
Maximum depth: 900 ft (dual beam)
Cone angle: 45° or 15° (dual beam)
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High pixel? that pic makes it look really low pixel.
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I own an ICE 55 and tried the marcum and multiple vexlars. The main reason I went with the humminbird is the screen. After hours and hours of fishing I prefer the ability to switch colors. I prefer the blue screen and like the digital depth and background light. Battery life is amazing, never have I ran out on the ice. The marcum line up is awesome. Very sensitive and powerful. Can't say too much for the Vexlar units I have fished with other than they can be a little loud (at least the fl-22 before some wire tweaking). Find a good deal and pull the trigger.
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Both Humminbird and Marcum offer far more features and power per dollar than anything in the Vex lineup.
Vex has longevity, and it shows as their models haven't changed in the last 20 years.
You would be wise to look at all the features available, and I'm sure you'll find the one that fits you best.
FWIW, I own a Marcum and am very, very happy with it. I would also be just as happy with the Humminbird I borrowed for a day. I tried a Vex for 10 minutes and couldn't stand it.
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X2 and how deep many choices out there
Panfish and walleye primarily.
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Marcum showdown! It's a vitlrtical display and the best target seperation. It's really really simple. Also one of the cheaper ones. Just look at the top of this page you will see the Marcum logo click it and see for yourself
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Sonar was developed almost a century ago- as long as you don't count bats and dolphins. Think about that... 100 years ago. By concept, active sonar has not changed very much since then. Other than fancy ways to deal with the huge amounts of data that need to be processed and displayed, there aren't many differences than what was used in WWII. It's like anything else, the more money you pay, the fancier the package. A Toyota Matrix will get you to work every morning the same as an Audi A8, but if you can afford it the A8 is gonna make that commute a lot more enjoyable. Determine your budget first, then look at the units in your budget. Why did I buy what I did? I liked the looks of it. I liked the display, I liked the package, I liked the buttons. What I am trying to say is, within a certain price range, the differences between them will be subjective- just like the color of your Toyota or Audi. So figure how much you want to spend, then decide what you will be happy looking at all day long.
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First I will say I have never used a Marcum or seen one live on the ice so I have no clue in regards to these units. I own a Bird 55 (I think this will be my 3rd season on it). I owned a vexilar for 4 years prior to that. I have 4 buddies I fish with that all have Vexilar. My experience - vexilar is far more dependable. I have one buddy that beats the hell out of things and has only had to replace his vex ducer in the past 4 years. My other 3 buddies have never had an issue with their vexilars. I did not have an issue with my vexilar for the 4 years I owned it. I switched to a Humminbird for 2 reasons - I like new stuff and to stop the IR battle fishing 4 vexilars in our wheel house.
My experience with the Bird: shacky start as I bought one the first year out. I went through 3 powerheads before they sent me one that works properly. I am using the 4th one now and for the past two years. Battery life is nothing like the vexilar. Buddies can run vex for many hours more than I can run the Bird but the Bird is throwing much more power. When we go on our 4/5 day trip without power I bring two extra batteries. I blew through a ducer in the 2nd year of use and I baby my equipment. I have fished one time with another Bird in our shanty. We simply could not eliminate interference. We could still fish but had a constant line going through our screens for hours. I am glad none of my standard fishing buddies use a Bird or we would go crazy.
The good: I love the screen of the Bird and the zoom feature as I can choose to zoom any area of the water column. I also get zero interference from my buddies fishing with vexilars. While they are pushing the IR button I am fishing away. Sensitivity is great and picks up a small jig well in deep water. Customer service is outstanding. They continued to send me powerheads until they got it right. They replaced my ducer outside of warranty because no ducer should go in 2 years.
I am not sure I would every buy a Bird again as the hassle getting unit that worked was too much. I also dont like the fact my ducer went in 2 years.
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Anyone have an extra soft pack for a Marcum vx-1 they would be willing to sell?
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I'm glad I found this thread. I've been going nuts trying to compare different flashers. I think I'm leaning toward the humminbird ice-35.. is there any solid reason that I should not? Thanks in advance
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I'm glad I found this thread. I've been going nuts trying to compare different flashers. I think I'm leaning toward the humminbird ice-35.. is there any solid reason that I should not? Thanks in advance
I use a 688DI on the ice because the 455KHz had much better target separation than a unit using around 200KHz because the shorter wavelength can "fit" between objects better. :)
The Ice 35 has the 455KHz ability as well as 240KHz.
As long as you don't feel the need for the digital readout LCD the 45 or 55 offer, I would say run with it!!!
http://www.humminbird.com/Freshwater/Product-Category/ICE/
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If you search online and find a deal get the 45 you will never be disappointed that you got the digital depth and if you get the 35 you'll wished at some point that you had it
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I own a Marcum lx6s and have been using it all winter. I have to say I am very happy with it, easy to use and lots of options. Hole hopping is not a problem and marks fish pretty well. I also picked up aflx28 about a month ago and used it several times. At first I didn't like the proview ducer , but once I changed the color settings it worked alot better. Now that I'm use to it, I think I like it better than my lx6s. Seems to mark fish better and seems to be quicker to send signal. I used both of them side by side and had no inference. The marcum has much more options but if I head out again this season I think I'll pick up the vex first.
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Anybody out there using Lowrance electronics on the ice? I don't see them get mentioned very often... I have a Lowrance Gen3 on my boat and I would like to be able to take the sd card out of it and put it into a portable unit. Are there any units out there that I can do this with? Thx
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Anybody out there using Lowrance electronics on the ice? I don't see them get mentioned very often... I have a Lowrance Gen3 on my boat and I would like to be able to take the sd card out of it and put it into a portable unit. Are there any units out there that I can do this with? Thx
Yep anyone that accepts and reads your card. Most Gen 3 lowrance units have lake insight pro built in.
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Anybody out there using Lowrance electronics on the ice? I don't see them get mentioned very often... I have a Lowrance Gen3 on my boat and I would like to be able to take the sd card out of it and put it into a portable unit. Are there any units out there that I can do this with? Thx
I have before, I will again...LOL!
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My 688ci HD DI works very well also...... ;)
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Hi guys, thanks for all the info her. I’m looking at getting a marcum lx6s but from the photos I’ve seen the ducer hangs from a little arm off the unit. I would like to put the flasher up on a little table in the tent so we can all see it. Is there any way to do this with the marcum units? It looks like It would be easy with the vexilar floating transducer, any help from marcum users would be greatly appreciated thanks
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just use it the same way as you would on the ice. all that's different is more cable is needed to reach the hole. remember to only get about a 1/2 inch of the ducer in the water. all it needs is the air removed. another option is use a dedicated hole and let the ducer hang below the ice plate or with just 1/2 inch in the water.
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Thanks 3300! Nice set up, I should have mentioned that I want to bring the unit away from the hole so I can see from the recliner, so I need an idea to hold the ducer over the hole, I’m not good at explaining I hope that makes sense?
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you could use a camera holder like the Aqua-Vu Ice Pod.
https://www.amazon.com/Aqua-Vu-Ice-Underwater-Camera-Positioner/dp/B0000AZANV/ref=sr_1_3?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1540526582&sr=1-3&keywords=Aqua-Vu+MO-POD3
(https://i.postimg.cc/F7Gm0Zz7/screenshot-71.png) (http://postimg.cc/F7Gm0Zz7)
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If it is a Lowrance HDS touch it will not work with a small SLA battery.
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Hi guys, thanks for all the info her. I’m looking at getting a marcum lx6s but from the photos I’ve seen the ducer hangs from a little arm off the unit. I would like to put the flasher up on a little table in the tent so we can all see it. Is there any way to do this with the marcum units? It looks like It would be easy with the vexilar floating transducer, any help from marcum users would be greatly appreciated thanks
just get a piece of pool noodle and cut a slit to the center, then just push your cord through the slit. The point is just to get the ducer in the water so it hangs level, it doesn’t really need to be centered in the hole.
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2 great ideas! Thanks guys