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Title: Catching salmon
Post by: WhiteMTfish on Feb 04, 2024, 02:43 PM
I was fishing at a lake and targeting salmon. Large shiners right under the ice. In an hour I had 4 flags but they all took out 10-20 ' of line and then dropped the shiner.
Is it possible the shiners were too big?  I'm thinking of trying small shiners.
I've never caught a salmon through the ice before.
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: nbourque on Feb 04, 2024, 02:57 PM
Try smelts or emeralds
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: Sherpa on Feb 04, 2024, 03:17 PM
Try the rubber band trick at 10-15 ft
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: WhiteMTfish on Feb 04, 2024, 03:19 PM
What's the rubber band trick?
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: darby74 on Feb 04, 2024, 03:26 PM
Definitely smelts for bait.  I had 2 last week with shiners in their bellies, but smelts have proven better.  Try using Gamakatsu #6 hooks, I prefer red ones, and fluorocarbon leader.  Rubber band trick, think Pike fishing.  I would think this would make salmon spit it, but just my opinion
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: Sherpa on Feb 04, 2024, 04:26 PM
Rubber band trick. Pull out 10-15 ft of line above where you would normally set your line on the trap spool. Take a cheap very thin rubber band and loop it thru itself onto the line then wrap the band around the spool. Then wind the 10-15 ft of line back on the spool, so when the fish grabs the bait and runs when the line spools out the rubber band will set the hook. If the fish has any size it will break the rubber band but the hook will still be set.
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: WhiteMTfish on Feb 04, 2024, 04:29 PM
Rubber band trick. Pull out 10-15 ft of line above where you would normally set your line on the trap spool. Take a cheap very thin rubber band and loop it thru itself onto the line then wrap the band around the spool. Then wind the 10-15 ft of line back on the spool, so when the fish grabs the bait and runs when the line spools out the rubber band will set the hook. If the fish has any size it will break the rubber band but the hook will still be set.
Thank you.
I'm going to try that, hopefully tomorrow.
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: Sherpa on Feb 04, 2024, 04:33 PM
Good luck. It’s worked well for me.
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: Fish Wayniac on Feb 04, 2024, 06:51 PM
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Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: Sherpa on Feb 04, 2024, 07:56 PM
That’s it. The only thing I do differently is instead of a bobber for a depth marker I use a different color rubber band
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: Bosshog on Feb 05, 2024, 05:53 AM
We use smelts and size 8 hooks, if you're bait comes back see where the fish have hit it then adjust where you put the hook in the bait.
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: MarkNFish on Feb 05, 2024, 06:04 AM
Smelts...definitely smelts.  4' to 6' under the ice.  #6 hook. 

Could be that you were dealing with small fish, but some days they just don't bite as aggressively as others. 
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: Anomaly on Feb 05, 2024, 06:57 AM
I caught a perfect looking female fishing for yellow perch the other day. 18.5". On the bottom, 30' of water, tiny golden shiner. Cool surprise.. Figured it was a bass, at first. Lot's of smallmouths in there. BUT! yep, Smelt under the ice!!! I like fishing around points and narrows.
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: Oldfart on Feb 06, 2024, 02:25 PM
Jigging can out produce bait 6 to 1.  Or more.
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: pmaloney86 on Feb 06, 2024, 03:03 PM
How big are the smelt you are using for bait?  We have one reliable place around me but I was out on Friday and was getting smelt that were like 8".  I will certainly hang those for pike but they seem much too big for anything but the largest of salmon.


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Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: WhiteMTfish on Feb 06, 2024, 03:15 PM
How big are the smelt you are using for bait?  We have one reliable place around me but I was out on Friday and was getting smelt that were like 8".  I will certainly hang those for pike but they seem much too big for anything but the largest of salmon.



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I'm using large shiners, about 3-4".
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: darby74 on Feb 06, 2024, 06:06 PM
And bait can out produce jigging, metals can out produce sewn smelts and vice versa.  We've caught a few jigging, but when the salmon are biting, it's pretty much non-stop running for flags.  We don't jig a lot, but from my limited knowledge,  most people bait fish for salmon.  Don't see a lot of jigging posts for salmon, just my opinion.  Personal preference, same thing ocean fishing.  I actually prefer to slow pitch jig (very specialized and not cheap) for Snapper, Grouper, and Blackfin Tuna.

Yeah, and 8" smelt is very big unless salmon are 3lbs+.  Smaller ones will hit, but more often than not pull the hook when setting it
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: woodchip on Feb 06, 2024, 06:51 PM
Jig in thermocline with jig and small cut bait!
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: Boglake on Feb 11, 2024, 06:53 PM
Salmon are one of the easiest fish to catch jigging, all you need is:
1. A salmon in the area, and
2. A jig small enough to fit in their mouth.
Done deal.
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: woodchip on Feb 11, 2024, 07:56 PM
Bog lake is right on  ---on Jigging for Salmon they like a moving target ,Ive found out that one good jig rod will out fish 5 traps any day of the week.
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: darby74 on Feb 12, 2024, 07:57 PM
Wow, a couple of years ago, me and 7 guys caught roughly 130 salmon in 2 1/2 days....imagine if we had just jigged🤔  Couldn't help it, but to each their own.  Has a jigged salmon ever won the Long Lake Derby?  Our big trip is the end of the month, We usually try and keep track of all salmon that get to the hole (we release a lot of fish) and report on the lucky ones that grudgedly bite live bait.  Out of curiosity,  what's the most salmon anyone has jigged in a day?  Genuinely curious, always down with trying new techniques
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: Boglake on Feb 13, 2024, 05:30 AM
I wasn't trying to start a measuring contest, lucky for you  :o
If you think putting bait under the ice catches every fish that swims by you have a lot to learn.  Some fish require finesse or technique to catch jigging, not salmon, simply put a jig in front of them and hold on.  If they miss or the jig is too big, just keep it at the same water level as them and they'll keep trying until it happens.  You'd be surprised how often salmon miss a jig or bait on a trap, end up at a different water level then the bait, and just swim off.   
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: darby74 on Feb 13, 2024, 06:10 AM
I feel more than blessed to not have to measure up to you in public.  Measuring what, I have no idea.  I'm not the one who said salmon are the easiest fish to jig, or that 1 jig rod will always outfish 5 bait traps.  I repeatedly said to each their own, does anyone have any personal experience catching a lot of salmon in a day jigging, not just "it's  so easy". This post started with someone asking for advice catching salmon.  Native salmon are pretty much the only freshwater fish I target, so was giving my opinion on what I enjoy and works.  I actually wouldn't be surprised at how many times salmon miss a bait and come back......I've heard of youtube🤣  As far as a measuring contest, March 1st or 2nd pick your favorite salmon lake, and see how many salmon you can land in 1 day on a jig, I'll do the same on bait.  Honor rules, or pics if you don't trust ill tell the truth.  That is unless today is my lucky day.
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: eiderz on Feb 13, 2024, 06:45 AM
This is an interesting debate. I've had great success on salmon using tipups, and also jigging. Then there's days nothing works. Salmon get a case of lockjaw more often than any other fish I've targeted.

I generally have the equipment to do either when I head out, and switch it out if something doesn't work. When fishing Moosehead, I rarely fish with bait before the salmon season opens February 15th.  I like the option of keeping a bleeding gut-hooked fish.

I agree that spying the fish on electronics while jigging can be super effective, as you can tease them and get them to attack repeatedly. I've caught a dozen salmon in a day, but no way can I say I've caught the kind of numbers Darby has on bait.

Active bait seems to be the key to catching salmon on tipups. I'm really careful about caring for the smelts which definitely helps. I keep them well aerated and temperature controlled to avoid thermal shock when they go in the lake. They are so fragile, I think if you look at them wrong they go belly up out of spite. What I've noticed is a direct correlation between how active the smelt is and catching salmon. Some times the bait wiggles like crazy when they go on the hook, and they swim right out of the hole. When that happens I get ready for action. If they barely swim, it's generally a bad sign. Obviously a more active bait attracts attention, but I wonder if how the bait feels is also how the salmon feel? In other words, we all know fish are effected by barometric pressure. A little like people, some days we feel great, other days a little sluggish. Maybe the sluggish but otherwise healthy smelt is telling you today is a jig day?
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: darby74 on Feb 13, 2024, 07:07 AM
The lake I fish has too many salmon,  and they encourage people to keep their limit.  This year, I will make a concentrated effort to use a jig pole on one of my holes, and keep track of time jigging, and numbers caught, and give an honest report.  Thinking of various Swedish pimples tipped with smelt, and plain jigs tipped with smelts.....we'll see.  If I use a 10" auger do they still count🤔
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: nbourque on Feb 13, 2024, 07:50 AM
I’ve caught more than one salmon on dead bait 6’ under the ice. When they’re feeding almost anything will catch em.
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: icecube on Feb 13, 2024, 11:25 AM
  What is an average size salmon in Maine? I know it depends probably on the lake and other things. But I'm from Pa. There is no salmon to speak of around here.  Wife likes salmon cakes. Me not so much. No, I will probably not come up to Maine to fish for salmon. But I think it would be neat to say I caught a salmon through the ice or open water.  I'm 71 so I doubt I will be back in Maine to do it. Things starting to wear out. LOL! In Pa. my friends and I mostly icefish for panfish. Crappies. Bluegill. Yellow Perch.   Have been to your state up by Caribou. Went turkey hunting in the spring a couple years ago near there. Yes, I was successful. Enjoyed the time and the locals.  Does not matter how you catch them. Just enjoy the time you get to do it and with your friends.
 
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: Boglake on Feb 13, 2024, 11:31 AM
The lake I fish has too many salmon,  and they encourage people to keep their limit.  This year, I will make a concentrated effort to use a jig pole on one of my holes, and keep track of time jigging, and numbers caught, and give an honest report.  Thinking of various Swedish pimples tipped with smelt, and plain jigs tipped with smelts.....we'll see.  If I use a 10" auger do they still count🤔
Just trying to help, perhaps read my posts again paying attention to what's in them and not adding things I didn't say.  Bait is not necessary nor will it make any difference on the jig.  You have to know where the salmon are in the water column.  See you in salmon alley, perhaps you learn better in person.
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: nbourque on Feb 13, 2024, 11:42 AM
  What is an average size salmon in Maine? I know it depends probably on the lake and other things. But I'm from Pa. There is no salmon to speak of around here.  Wife likes salmon cakes. Me not so much. No, I will probably not come up to Maine to fish for salmon. But I think it would be neat to say I caught a salmon through the ice or open water.  I'm 71 so I doubt I will be back in Maine to do it. Things starting to wear out. LOL! In Pa. my friends and I mostly icefish for panfish. Crappies. Bluegill. Yellow Perch.   Have been to your state up by Caribou. Went turkey hunting in the spring a couple years ago near there. Yes, I was successful. Enjoyed the time and the locals.  Does not matter how you catch them. Just enjoy the time you get to do it and with your friends.
 
Lotta fish in the 14-18” range. It really depend what lake you’re fishing though
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: icecube on Feb 13, 2024, 12:54 PM
 Nbourque, Thanks for the info.  I figured average would be a lot bigger.  But being from Pa. had no clue. I know some would be larger.  Just curious is there walleye in any lakes in Maine? Or is that swearing in Maine? LOL!  I talked to some of the guys when I was there and they didn't seem to know much about walleyes.  Or maybe there is just not that much interest in them. Not native.  Or really none to be had.  Different areas of the country prefer different fish.
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: nbourque on Feb 13, 2024, 02:04 PM
Nbourque, Thanks for the info.  I figured average would be a lot bigger.  But being from Pa. had no clue. I know some would be larger.  Just curious is there walleye in any lakes in Maine? Or is that swearing in Maine? LOL!  I talked to some of the guys when I was there and they didn't seem to know much about walleyes.  Or maybe there is just not that much interest in them. Not native.  Or really none to be had.  Different areas of the country prefer different fish.
No walleye here in Maine
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: woodchip on Feb 13, 2024, 02:50 PM
walleyes like Crappies,and Yellow perch are better eating than all cold water fish, Once they figure it out theyll  be everywhere from Belgrade out,
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: darby74 on Feb 13, 2024, 05:37 PM
Just trying to help, perhaps read my posts again paying attention to what's in them and not adding things I didn't say.  Bait is not necessary nor will it make any difference on the jig.  You have to know where the salmon are in the water column.  See you in salmon alley, perhaps you learn better in person.
I was referring to something else someone also said.  Amazing, you have to know where the fish are to catch them.  Maybe it's not intentional, but you're even degrading when trying to help "perhaps you learn better in person" Whatever, was just trying to help someone else with techniques I've been using for 35 years.
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: EmeraldShiner on Feb 15, 2024, 03:51 PM
No walleye here in Maine
Believe it or not every once in a Blue Moon Walleyes are caught out of Long Pond in Belgrade/Mt Vernon/Rome area.
Walleyes show up in MDIFW seine net surveys in the fall each year in this lake, rumor is that MDIFW stocked them back in the early 1970's but then discontinued shortly thereafter. 
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: Anomaly on Feb 15, 2024, 04:03 PM
Nbourque, Thanks for the info.  I figured average would be a lot bigger.  But being from Pa. had no clue. I know some would be larger.  Just curious is there walleye in any lakes in Maine? Or is that swearing in Maine? LOL!  I talked to some of the guys when I was there and they didn't seem to know much about walleyes.  Or maybe there is just not that much interest in them. Not native.  Or really none to be had.  Different areas of the country prefer different fish.
I just saw you live in PA. Some good landlocked salmon fishing in The Finger Lakes. There are a number of charter guys that do well there! Here's just one. My brother lives down that way and may know folks too... Here's just one of many.... https://hardersfishingcharters.com
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: DowneastPescador on Feb 15, 2024, 08:03 PM
No walleye here in Maine
Believe it or not every once in a Blue Moon Walleyes are caught out of Long Pond in Belgrade/Mt Vernon/Rome area.
Walleyes show up in MDIFW seine net surveys in the fall each year in this lake, rumor is that MDIFW stocked them back in the early 1970's but then discontinued shortly thereafter.

I read the same thing somewhere. They were Stocked in quite a few lakes at some point in the 70s and 80s. For some reason the growth or returns were bad and they discontinued stocking. Probably a few wild fish swimming around somewhere. The state record is something like 3lbs so if you do find some walleye you may get a record breaker.
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: reddog11 on Feb 19, 2024, 05:40 PM
My salmon catch improved by using smaller bait for salmon through the ice. I switched to using cup bait with size 14 Mustad treble hooks. 6 pound test mono for a leader. Hope this helps. @)
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: Jim_C. on Feb 20, 2024, 09:27 AM
I have a friend who routinely caught walleye in the spring in the Belgrades in recent years.
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: DowneastPescador on Feb 20, 2024, 02:22 PM
I have a friend who routinely caught walleye in the spring in the Belgrades in recent years.

That’s pretty intriguing, not sure I’d go just for the walleye but a pike or mixed bag would make it a good time. Would love to see a picture of said walleye.
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: Oldfart on Feb 20, 2024, 02:29 PM
Me too.
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: Jim_C. on Feb 20, 2024, 03:23 PM
I would also.  Guy is legit though.  He's not around here anymore.  He moved to the Pacific NW to chase salmon and steelies.  I thought enough of his account to poke around  bit at "his spot", plus chased a few other rumored locations.  No dice.

Would love to see a picture of said walleye.
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: DowneastPescador on Feb 21, 2024, 06:37 AM
I would also.  Guy is legit though.  He's not around here anymore.  He moved to the Pacific NW to chase salmon and steelies.  I thought enough of his account to poke around  bit at "his spot", plus chased a few other rumored locations.  No dice.

Very cool you’ve tried to catch one of those golden gooses. Please let us know (don’t need to know where) if you hook into one.
Title: Re: Catching salmon
Post by: nbourque on Feb 21, 2024, 06:50 AM
Very cool you’ve tried to catch one of those golden gooses. Please let us know (don’t need to know where) if you hook into one.
If anyone can catch one it’s Jim 😬