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not inyour car? where is this info coming from?
I was not attacking this person'bait wholesaler,dealer' just pointing out some facts.
wild minnows are the spreaders of vhs.you cant regulate or legislate their movement. they are anywhere and everywhere. the dec can try but we pay again for something mother nature has total control over. go to lock 23 in april and look at the swarms of buckeyes headed for oneida lake. you would not worry about afew thousand bucket of minnows.this here is the BIG picture and mom nature has the ONLY CAMERA! LOCK 23 IS OFF CAUGHDENOY RD BREWERTON NY
Enough ranting and complaining already about the new regs.For those who don't care what the law is and do what they want regardless-you are selfish-plain and simple.Good luck fighting your tickets or fines-your going to need it.
well put 1tigger. maybe we as a GROUP start something to help make this less of an issue and more of a thing to help our fishing for the future. first we could start by trying to get the 7-day thing longer maybe 10-14 days that gives us alittle more time between fishing trips. and yes i have called my local dec office and stated my opinions about this. with more of everyones calls they may just change this.steve
Hello guys.....I think we'll all agree that the DEC MUST act to address the VHS pathogen threat, right? Although it is TRUE that the number one vector for spread is the natural movement of wild fish, or the natural transport of said fish by birds and other fish-eating creatures, the bait bucket is also a stellar vector, which we at least can attempt to control. Ditto for the fish farms and hatcheries, private and state-run. Regulations affecting these operations, plus new guidelines for DEC stream and fisheries surveys are also in place.
The DEC has acted on the VHS spread by requiring the use of certified bait for most end users - So why not simply require ALL bait sold in the state be certified then as it keeps things simple for the end user\bait shop owners who purchase bait? Keep the law in place that you can only use minnows that are trapped\caught to be used only on the same waters they were caught in like it is now and make it so all bait stores cannot sell uncertified bait period. The simpler regs will be easier for everyone to know and hopefully follow and will keep the VHS from spreading faster then it will naturally anyhow. Mother nature has the final say and I am sure everyone(DEC included) can see the big picture and knows it is a little to late at this point as it is here and will spread naturally(just a little slower w/o our bait buckets help). There will always be lawbreakers as to using uncertified minnows where they please but that is true with any kind of law and it is useless to add minuscule regs like the limits\receipt rule to try and circumvent this. Do we ban hunting because of poachers? Nope - Extreme example but in the same line as minnow limits and expiration dates based on the same logic.IMO
Point well taken BUT if we had laws made to govern every possible scenario in life - well life would just suck and that is why we don't have laws covering every possible scenario out there! Enforce the reasonable\more broad laws in the books and educate people! You Doc are trying to do that and it is a great thing but keeping things simpler is always better! What are your thoughts on this disease spreading by mother nature only? Do you think any regs regarding certified minnows will have to be changed once VHS has spread to the majority of bodies of water? Thanks again for your time and efforts!
Doc,please clarify where the info came from stating you had to supply a certified disease free receipt AND a copy of the health certificate.When i spoke with greg koslowski-info man for dec on vhs disease-he clearly stated i had to provide a receipt that stated bait was certified disease free pursuaint to part 188 of dec vhs regs with my shop name,address,and phone #.He said i DID NOT have to supply a copy of the health report with the receipt but i DID have to have it posted in my shop.If you can clear this up i'd appreciate it as if this is true then they have changed the regs in the last week and i need to phone them again for the umpteenth time to clarify.Thanks
ok,kinda clarifys my question but here's what they told me on that issue with the cash registers.They don't expect everyone to go out and buy a new register to print out the receipt.I could print out my own receipts in mass on the computer with all the info-certified disease free bait and all the types i sell with a space next to them to write down numbers sold with the date sold.They would accept this as a legal receipt as long as i stapled the register receipt with price onto the back of it.
First of all, something that hasn't happened yet, like this coming summer's bait and gas prices, aren't facts. Do you have a crystal ball. Secondly, you need to check check your facts regarding this bait dealer; I don't know him, but I'm pretty sure after paying for VHS testing he suffered a loss and hasn't sold any bait yet. Thirdly, please keep your skewed logic to yourself in the future. To insinuate that the person responsible for educating more people about VHS on this forum than anyone else, did so a for ulterior motives is ridiculous. Do you really believe false information is being spread about VHS to sell more bait?I've said it before, it you don't have any alternatives or positive suggestions, nobody wants to hear it.
WOW - So much for the KISS(keeping it simple stupid) system huh?? Maybe we should be getting together as a GROUP to fight the ENTIRE bait regulations enacted since the VHS scare as it is senseless at this point!!! Doesn't the DEC even have the logical common sense that dictates this disease is mother nature driven and that it will run it's course even with there ridiculous\confusing new regs! Unless of course this is nothing more than REVENUE driven to get more money in the nys tax funds at the sportsmen expense???Cripes they are hurting the bait shop owner and fisherman enough already and it is time to stop them!BTW - Now that we have added to the list of invaders like Gobys,zebra mussels,spiny water fleas,etc,etc wouldn't it be more wise for the DEC to focus on the root cause of all this and STOP the ships from dumping there ballast water into our waterways!! Now that is something I am sure we could all support!!