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NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« on: Mar 13, 2007, 10:15 AM »
YOU CAN DIP BAIT AND FISH RIGHT THERE. NO TRANSPORTATION OF DIPPED BAIT ALLOWED. ONLY FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU BRING YOUR BOAT TO DIP AND THEN GO TO A SPOT TO FISH FROM YOUR BOAT. NO TRAILORING OF DIPPED BAIT WITH BOAT. ALSO THERE IS NO LIMIT TO HOW MANY BOUGHT VHS FREE BAIT YOU CAN PURCHASE. BUT MUST HAVE RECEIPT AND ONLY GOOD FOR 7 DAYS. THEN BAIT MUST BE DISCARDED. THERE WILL BE ABSOLUTELY NO TRANSPORTATION OF ANY FISH ALIVE THAT IS NON-CERTIFIED.
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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #1 on: Mar 13, 2007, 11:21 AM »
this means that I can't keep my leftover bait for next week?   What a crock.

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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #2 on: Mar 13, 2007, 11:52 AM »
Where did you see the new regulations.
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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #4 on: Mar 13, 2007, 12:49 PM »
All the new TEMPORARY regs are on the D.E.C website !

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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #5 on: Mar 13, 2007, 01:28 PM »
Show me the link of the NEW regs. ( mar9 to ? ) I was told today or tomorrow it would be posted.I had them right in front of me yesterday ( in paper form ) but the DEC officer ( and I mean the head guy ) got called away with a emergency. Just as well, though because there is nothing like the real text.



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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #6 on: Mar 13, 2007, 02:37 PM »
Bottom of the Home page click fishing

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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #7 on: Mar 13, 2007, 03:14 PM »
Until somebody can give the proper link or evidance of the new regs, please stop guessing. Misinformation can be as harmfull as good information.


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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #8 on: Mar 13, 2007, 03:17 PM »
As i said bottom of the page click fishing.....Is it that difficult??
http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dfwmr/fish/vhsv.html





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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #9 on: Mar 13, 2007, 03:26 PM »
"[Updated February 13, 2007]" should say updated today or after march 9.


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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #10 on: Mar 13, 2007, 03:47 PM »
Yea, the new regs have been released today.  Received them from Abbey Snyder and Paul McKeown.  Been up to my armpits in alligators today.

If anyone wishes to receive a copy in Microsoft Word format, email me at [email protected] and I will send them onto you.
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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #11 on: Mar 14, 2007, 08:50 AM »
Until somebody can give the proper link or evidance of the new regs, please stop guessing. Misinformation can be as harmfull as good information.
 for REAL?????????? I THINK THIS POSTING SUMS IT UP IN A MANNER EVEN YOU CAN UNDERSTAND. ::)SIMPLE

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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #12 on: Mar 14, 2007, 08:57 AM »
The new regs came out sometime after you posted.

http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dfwmr/propregs/part10text.html


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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #13 on: Mar 14, 2007, 09:02 AM »
I HEAR YA BOB. BUT LIKE YOU SAID "ARE WE LAWYERS". WHERE IN THOSE REGS. DOES IT MENTION TRANSPORTING GAME FISH? I HAVE A FISH FARM POND LICENSE. ARE THOSE NOW NEGATED? I WAS NOTIFIED LAST FALL ABOUT IT

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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #14 on: Mar 14, 2007, 10:20 AM »
There will be a FAQ page set up either 6pm tonight or 6pm tomorrow.

BTW, here's the format I came up with  for baitshop use.


Joe blow bait co.
555 main st.
Fishhaven , NY 12345                         3 -   - 07

------- Emerald shiners
------- Golden shiners
------- Fathead minnows

All minnows are certified
To part 188 of NYS environmental law.



All you have to do is fill out the blank date, print a few, then when using them put a X in sections where you are not selling that specie, and if you are selling that specie,put a line behind the number of species sold to prevent cheating.

This is best used with a editable word document. Remember , this is my first draft, but I just got DEC approval for it.


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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #15 on: Mar 14, 2007, 10:26 AM »
so what are we suppossed to do with our bait that is still alive after 7 days? i think this part is  complete bullsh**. so instead of going to bait shop once every 2 weeks or so now you may have to go multiple times a week. so what am i todo with the bait i just bought yesterday morning? throw it away? i have about 2 doz left that i was going to use sunday. just seems that good old nys is getting one over on us again. just another reason why i want to move out of state.

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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #16 on: Mar 14, 2007, 10:30 AM »
This is where it could get difficult, what about suckers, do they have to name the actual type of sucker? Hunts get sold a lot around here, but I know there are at least two different species sold as hunts. Mant times hunts and icicles are mixed together. Perch bait is sold by the cup, and contains emeralds, fatheads and rosy reds(dyed fatheads), will they have to count out how many of each? Some baitshops are already busy enough during the morning rush. Time will tell I guess.

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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #17 on: Mar 14, 2007, 10:33 AM »
sound like the state should open up several bait shops and have state employees work at them. oh wait most of them don't start until 9 am, 2-3 hours after most of us are already fishing.

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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #18 on: Mar 14, 2007, 10:37 AM »
so what are we suppossed to do with our bait that is still alive after 7 days? i think this part is  complete bullsh**. so instead of going to bait shop once every 2 weeks or so now you may have to go multiple times a week. so what am i todo with the bait i just bought yesterday morning? throw it away? i have about 2 doz left that i was going to use sunday. just seems that good old nys is getting one over on us again. just another reason why i want to move out of state.

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 Bull$@&t or not, its the new regs. There will be a public comment period with this. I'm surprised nobody is freaking out about the transport law.Maybe i'm reading it wrong, but if you catch your own bait, it cannot be transported on roads.

Please discuss this !


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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #19 on: Mar 14, 2007, 10:41 AM »
kinda confussed on the transport law? the fish you trap you can only use in the lake you trap it in correct? so why would you want to transport it? to use a later date? you cannot sell this bait to the public can you? without being tested, right? i'm not a baitshop owner, so just trying to become familiar with the regs better. thanks in advance

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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #20 on: Mar 14, 2007, 10:51 AM »
so what are we suppossed to do with our bait that is still alive after 7 days? i think this part is  complete bullsh**. so instead of going to bait shop once every 2 weeks or so now you may have to go multiple times a week. so what am i todo with the bait i just bought yesterday morning? throw it away? i have about 2 doz left that i was going to use sunday. just seems that good old nys is getting one over on us again. just another reason why i want to move out of state.

steve

It may be BS but it is better than your favorite lake getting VHS and killing of a big portion of the fishery.  I would rather take what ever precautions necessary to protect my favorite fisheries.  If it got transfered to my favorite fishery, and I might have had something to do with it, I would not be to happy with myself.  Everyone needs to stop complaining about this.  The DEC is doing what is best for the lakes and fish.  Man has already created enough problems in nature.  We don't need anymore.

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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #21 on: Mar 14, 2007, 10:52 AM »
I think DEC is trying to come up with a  way to allow fishermen to continue to use bait they collect and still prevent VHS from spreading. The initial emergency regs didn't allow for any bait collection from VHS confirmed waters, and this is a compromise from the first set of regs. Hasn't been a big issue in the eastern part of NY, but I think has more to do with Lake Erie, where guys have been used to collecting their own emeralds for bait.

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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #22 on: Mar 14, 2007, 11:01 AM »
kinda confussed on the transport law? the fish you trap you can only use in the lake you trap it in correct? so why would you want to transport it? to use a later date? you cannot sell this bait to the public can you? without being tested, right? i'm not a baitshop owner, so just trying to become familiar with the regs better. thanks in advance

steve
Answers in order of asked : ( Please read both question and answer CAREFULLY )

Yes, you can only use bait from the same lake if you trap them yourself.

You might trap the minnows in one spot, then drive to another.

Dates and timelines are not addressed for "catch your own"

You need a bait liscence to sell, or barter bait.

If you possess a bait liscence and catch your own bait, you must have them tested first. A fish report goes along with each batch.



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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #23 on: Mar 14, 2007, 11:04 AM »
i realize they want to prevent vhs, but once the bait is tested and certified can they contract vhs after that. i don't collect my bait i always buy it from bait shop, and have never jigged it to reuse in the lakes i fish. just wish you could use it after 7 days. less trips to bait shop= more time to fish

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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #24 on: Mar 14, 2007, 11:05 AM »
thanks crayfishbob for clearing that up.

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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #25 on: Mar 14, 2007, 11:08 AM »
Here is the latest official press release from the DEC.  I just received it from Steve Litwhiler in Albany...

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For Release: IMMEDIATE Contact: Maureen Wren
Wednesday, March 14, 2007 (518) 402-8000
DEC ADOPTS REVISED EMERGENCY REGULATIONS TO HELP PREVENT SPREAD OF VHS
TO ADDITIONAL NEW YORK STATE WATERS

The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
(DEC) today announced the adoption of new emergency regulations to help
prevent the spread of the Viral Hemorrhagic Septicemia (VHS) virus to
additional waters in the State. The new emergency regulations, which
were filed with the Department of State and took effect on Friday, March
9, 2007, replace previously enacted emergency regulations and reflect
some changes incorporated as a result of public comments on the limits
of the possession, sale, transfer, taking and release of certain
baitfish and other live fish species to be placed in New York waters.
VHS is a pathogen of fish and does not pose any threat to public health.


VHS was first confirmed in New York waters in May 2006 in Lake
Ontario and the St. Lawrence River, and has now also been confirmed in
several fish species in Great Lakes basin waters in New York State,
Conesus Lake and in other states. Once a fish is infected with VHS,
there is no known cure. Because of the often fatal virus*s ability to
spread, and potential impact to fisheries, recreation, and the economy,
the World Organization of Animal Health has categorized VHS as a
transmissible disease with the potential for profound socio-economic
consequences.

VHS can be spread from water body to water body through a variety of
means, not all of them known at this point. One known pathway is through
the movement of fish, including baitfish. DEC, in cooperation with the
College of Veterinary Medicine at Cornell University, has sampled fish
from waters across the state, and except for Conesus Lake, VHS has not
been confirmed in fish from any water outside the Great Lakes basin.

The Amended Federal Order that was issued on November 14, 2006,
to prevent the spread of VHS to other waters and to protect economically
important sport fisheries and aquaculture remains in effect.
Information on the Federal Order can be found on the APHIS website at
www.aphis.usda.gov/vs/aqua/ .

The Amended Federal Order does not address the movement of fish
within New York State. In-state movement of fish for use as bait or for
stocking could spread VHS in New York and cause significant adverse
impacts to the state*s fish resources. Therefore, in order to protect
New York*s valuable fishery resources, DEC has adopted emergency
regulations that, along with a revised proposed rule making, include the
following provisions:

$ Limit the personal use of baitfish to the same water body from
which they were collected. The rule restricts the personal use of
baitfish to the specific water body from which such baitfish were
collected, with no motorized, overland transport allowed. This
provision has changed from the originally proposed provision as there
will be no limit on the number of baitfish that may be possessed. Also,
baitfish can be taken from the water body*s tributaries upstream to
the first impassable barrier for use on such water body. (This rule does
not pertain to the personal possession of baitfish collected in the
Marine District for use in the Marine District.)

$ Limit the use of commercially collected and sold baitfish to the
same water from which they were collected. The rule restricts the use of
baitfish collected for commercial sale, to the water body from which
such baitfish were collected, with no motorized overland transport
allowed, unless pursuant to a permit from DEC. (This rule does not
pertain to the possession of baitfish collected in the Marine District
for use in the Marine District.)

$ Require that baitfish offered for wholesale sale be certified
disease free of fish pathogens and accompanied by a fish health
inspection report. Except under permit from DEC, any wholesale sale of
baitfish, other than sale on the same water body from which the baitfish
were collected, shall require a fish health inspection report certifying
that the fish are free of certain serious diseases. Retail sale of
baitfish, other than sale on the same water body from which the baitfish
were collected, shall also require that the fish are free of specified
diseases and that the purchaser shall retain a receipt of the
transaction. This does not apply to the possession and sale of
baitfish collected in the Marine District for use in the Marine
District.

$ Allow baitfish packaged for commercial purposes and preserved by
methods other than by freezing only to be sold and used wherever it is
legal to use baitfish.

$ Require that all live fish, destined for release into the waters
of the state, or imported for release into the waters of the state, be
inspected by certified professionals and be certified to be free of
certain fish pathogens. The rule making prohibits the release of any
live fish into the waters of the state unless the fish have been
determined to be free of the pathogens listed below, and documented by a
fish health inspection report issued within the previous 12 months.
For all species of freshwater fish, a fish health inspection report
shall certify that the fish are free of VHS and Spring Viremia of Carp
Virus, as well as certify the presence or absence of: Furunculosis,
Enteric Red Mouth, and Infectious Pancreatic Necrosis Virus (IPN).In
addition, for salmon and trout (Salmonidae), a fish health certification
report shall certify that they are free of
Whirling Disease and Infectious Hematopoietic Necrosis Virus
(IHN), as well as certify the presence or absence of bacterial kidney
disease. The fish health certificate reports must be on a standard form
supplied by the DEC, must be issued by an independent qualified
inspector, must conform with specific testing methods and procedures,
and must be filed with DEC.

In addition to the above, there are existing regulations that
continue to be in place that govern which waters anglers are allowed to
use baitfish, as well which waters where the commercial collection of
baitfish is allowed.

With the adoption of the new emergency regulations, DEC
simultaneously filed revisions to the pending proposal to adopt these
regulations permanently. The provisions of the emergency regulations
and the revised rule making are identical. The revisions are responsive
to the public comments received on the proposed rule making which was
filed on November 21, 2006. These changes are intended to further
balance protection of the resource with concerns of commercial bait
dealers and recreational anglers. Text of the regulation is
available at http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dfwmr/propregs/#10e on
the DEC website. Hard copies of the rule making can also be requested
from DEC by writing to: Shaun Keeler, NYS DEC, 625 Broadway, Albany, NY
12233-4750; or by calling DEC at (518) 402-8920.

There will be a public comment period on the revised proposed
rulemaking, which concludes on April 27, 2007. During this time, the
public may submit comments by mailing comments to: Shaun Keeler, NYS
DEC, 625 Broadway, Albany, NY 12233-4750 or by email to
[email protected] with *Proposed Parts 10, 35, and 188
(VHS) Regulations* in the subject line of the email.

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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #26 on: Mar 14, 2007, 11:09 AM »

You might trap the minnows in one spot, then drive to another.



Bob, just want to clarify this line, I know you were answering his question, but someone reading that line might think transport is legal. There is to be no transport of collected baitfish. Sometimes people don't read every post carefully.

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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #27 on: Mar 14, 2007, 11:10 AM »
i realize they want to prevent vhs, but once the bait is tested and certified can they contract vhs after that.

steve

That is highly unlikely, as once the bait is cought and quarinteened, contact with other minnows is highly unlikely.

Vhs is most likeley spread by spawning fish or minnows when tight schools are spawning, as it is spread through the gill chambers with body fluids. Also, the consumption of other fish or minnows infected with vhs will spread the disease, hence the new regs.


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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #28 on: Mar 14, 2007, 11:11 AM »
Spend one season of ice fishing using artificial, or corn, or dough, or worms, whatever it takes to keep you away from the tanks.  The bait shops will have a louder voice than the consumers.

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Re: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS
« Reply #29 on: Mar 14, 2007, 11:12 AM »
Bob, just want to clarify this line, I know you were answering his question, but someone reading that line might think transport is legal. There is to be no transport of collected baitfish. Sometimes people don't read every post carefully.
That's why I edited and added READ CAREFULLY. You might not have cought that in time.

MAN ! THIS IS A HOT TOPIC!


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