MyFishFinder.com Just like iceshanty but warmer
sometime i think it's just away to put the small bait shops out of bussince.and make if hard to get bait. to rise the prices
Hey cray fish, iv been around a bit on myfishfinder<ice shanty a.k.a bbfishing fool.iv been to your posted sites.What sense does it make to stop the locals from netting emeralds and then using them the same day in the same lake????I fish Dunkirk ny, lake erie.theres only one bait shop that sells minnows in town they charge way to much<arnt open till later in the a.m,and buy july they run out of emeralds and get fat heads in>i welcome you to go out with us and try using any other minnow other than a emerald shinner and you wil see.lake erie perch want emeralds,not to say you wont get any to bite other min.but you will only end up with a very very small % of what you woudve caught on emeralds.Iv driven to silver crk for bait once b4 and by the time we got to grounds 90%were belly up.And yes i had them airated in a giant coolr>aug.heats to much.Plus it cost a extra 6$ in gas.I guess what im saying if they outlaw us from netting our own min.out of lake erie, then using them in lake erie<that will totally ruin one of the lakes best fisheries for many many fisherman.[lake erie yellow perch]up to 16$a pound to buy] .I think that makes no sense at all.I personally dont have a problem with outa town bait dealers coming to our harbors to net bait and resell it .but over the years the bait guys take a ton of heat from the oldtimers and some of the locals.Fights have almost broken out.Outlaw us from catching or own bait,but allow some outa towner to come in and net um thers gona be major problems>.How unfair to us locals.ONCE AGAIN< CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT SENSE IT MAKES TO STOP US FROM NETTING OUR OWN BAIT OUTA LAKE ERIE AND THEN USING IT IN LAKE ERIE THE SAME DAY OUT OF THE SAME HARBOR?I WELCOME ANY LOGICAL RESPONSE>I WILL BE POSTING what the guys in ohio had to say aboat ther giant kill off of yellow perch<i will use your list bob to post in those areas[thankyou] so to here what the guys from these areas have to say aboat how its effected their areas.I read somwere a bait dealer spent $150,000 on a truck to move bait.It must be BIG buess to pay off $150,000 truck.this vhs has been in lake erie for someyears?were all the dead fish?
Too many people are missing the real point here on this VHS subject. The real onus should fall on to the shoulders of the state DEC, to finally pay for its share of these senseless regulations, enforcement, and especially testing. For whenever in human history along the Great Lakes, inland Lakes, Ponds, Bays, Rivers................ .
Too many people are missing the real point here on this VHS subject. The real onus should fall on to the shoulders of the state DEC, to finally pay for its share of these senseless regulations, enforcement, and especially testing. For whenever in human history along the Great Lakes, inland Lakes, Ponds, Bays, Rivers and streams, man has been innoculating these fishable waters with minnows of every size, species and numbers in many ways, either by loss during fishing, minnows accidently spilled overboard or thru an ice fishing hole, and by an even more direct method, direct placement into the water after a day of fishing.Not mentioned as well is the more natural effect of the transport of minnows by migratory waterfowl, seagulls, eagles and the like.Many of us, especially from Western New York State will remember ( now give this some thought here!), the DEC prohibition of using minnows( baitfish) dead or alive, or even having such bait near these waters, even if dead/salted! This always struck me hard at the time, and it took many years to finally reason things out seeing these signs, for example at Harwood Lake along RT 98 and others.Reasoning time is here and now, and all the knee jerk solutions will not help this matter at all!It comes down to the simple fact being that there is a health problem with Emerald Shiners as a species, and this condition has existed for a very long time, and nothing was ever done about it when 1st observed and studied, even though it was a well known disease of certain species of the European Community.Any VHS relationship to the Round Gobys presence in our Great Lakes, and the Ruffe,and Zebra Mussels other European hitchhikers has not been mentioned nor studied as far as I know! Maybe it is known by Govt " Thinkers", but won't be released for another 10 years, as this VHS issue has been.Again, the DEC joined ranks with several other Great Lakes States, and decided to get involved, along with the Provience of Ontrario. From what I hear the USDA effort came about when "organized" commercial fish farmers heard about this and wanted to protect their interests, then got lawyers and USDA ( the farmers friend ) involved. This Fed agency has direct powers to curtail any activity with in a multi- state jurisdiction., by issue of Emergency Proclamation!My main point being, that the state DEC has far surpassed other states,and the Provience of Ontario in its regulatory regulations on this issue, and has proposed costly testing/ release procedures for bait fish and as usual, has passed the costs directly on the consumer and bait operator. It is time now for some positive DEC action, they have let the horse out of the barn far in advance on this issue. The DEC can save face by going the extra mile here for its sportsmen by taking an initiative to conduct surveys of all fishable waters in New York State, sample all species present and certify the status of VHS Positive or VHS Negative; then prohibit the possession of bait fish dead or alive on these areas that are not infected to date, posting accordingly! Then maybe discussing the use of " Certified VHS Free Minnows " on waters not yet infected.I understand certain testing efforts are underway as we speak, NYSDEC has enough manpower to collect and labs to test. Outsourcing is available as an option. Federal funds can be obtained easily for this venture. We are blessed with stafff and students at Cornell U who specialize in these areas! Lets get going, and in the right direction.In Western New York State we have Chautauqua Lake, it shouild be a model for all other lakes to be tested. Most all fish on the short list are present, including a vast number of Emerald Shiners; and on the same thought, how did Emerald Shiners get their start there anyways??? bear_lake Bob
Let's say an angler dumps an infected bucket of minnows into a lake, a "clean" lake. From that point in time, how long would it take for VHS to become evident in that lake, or should I say, test positve for VHS?For me, Conesus Lake is most disturbing right now, being the only secluded lake on the list. Makes you wonder how many others are out there, and have not tested positive, or showed signs of a problem yet. Conesus gets a ton of traffic in and out of other lakes.What about Cayuga? That lake has had major fish kills the last couple years, but it does not seem to be VHS related?
How do they know if VHS is not already present in all our lakes?
What part of the regs do you oppose ?, and I would rather think in terms of the future than what transpired already. Its the protection of waters not infected or not known to be infected that efforts should be drawn to. I still say the single biggest mistake that dec made is the allowance of taking of infected baifish by the general public. This opens up the doorway to the uncontrollable spread of this virus. Even if its temporary for a couple of years, then at least there's a better understanding of what's really going on. It's take time and understanding what's really happening. Sacrifices made now can only make things better in the future.
I agree the horse has left the building and your going to find it everywhere its to late,people have been using these minnows everywhere for years.
Your pessimism on this matter is quite interesting, I'm glad everyone doesn't share your views. That type of attitude will only help to spread VHS further.Additionally, I believe this is the first time the new strain of VHS has been seen in any salmonids; the article says they found it in king salmon in Huron.
I think I am not alone in saying I like doing the right thing, but sometimes it is hard to put a lot of extra effort into something knowing that people are very easily NOT doing the right thing. I'm not sure if that came out clear, but I think you know what I mean.
I think the fact remains that nobody knows how far this disease has spread in New York, not even the DEC, without testing nearly every fish in every body of water. If I understand correctly, testing could show VHS negative at one location within a lake, but could be successfully "breeding" at another location.I agree some proper precautions should be taken, but then again, there are still WAY too many people out there that don't even know this exists, or simply don't care. This sounds like it is truly a case of "one can spoil it for the rest of us" type situation. 99.9% of us can be doing the right thing, and the .1% come along and infect things anyway, knowingly or unknowingly.Again, Conesus Lake is the disturbing thing to me. We all can see how natural progression of a disease could travel with in the Great Lakes system, but Conesus is not connected. How did it get there? Bait releasing, fish stocking or did it come in in someone bilge/livewell water?? Any one of those could have been repeated on other waters dozens and dozens of times.I think I am not alone in saying I like doing the right thing, but sometimes it is hard to put a lot of extra effort into something knowing that people are very easily NOT doing the right thing. I'm not sure if that came out clear, but I think you know what I mean.
I didnt meen it in a bad way.I meant they (DEC)just like always waited to long before they did anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Let me guess you must be a bait dealer?? You posted they found vhs in st.clair in 2003 and if it was first found in quinte bay in 2005 that means it was alreadty in huron because the fish samples were taken from 2005 also,and you also posted "THAT ITS LONG OVER DO" bait fish regulations so you your self think the horse has left the building
You need to check your facts on the discovery of this new strain of VHS. It was not detected until 2005 anywhere, and it was not detected in NY until May 2006. VHS was confirmed in June 2006, and new regulations were enacted in Nov 2006. Yet you claim DEC dragged their feet, and waited too long before they did anything? New York has gone further than anyone to so the spread of VHS, yet people still criticize, when they should be commended.
I thought I read in the report about the lake Huron sample that it was from specimens taken in 2003 from a die off and because they were so decomposed and a good example of VHS wasn't available that it was also thought that another disease may be at fault, botulism I believe. After the recent finding they went back to the frozen 2003 sample and confirmed its presence,that's the way I believe it went.