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IceShanty Main => General Ice Fishing Chit Chat => Topic started by: Big Dawg on Nov 16, 2005, 11:34 AM
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hey guys, i was just wondering about shanty protection. whether you guys use a skimmer or a chipper or if you have your CHL. i usually bring along my S&W 586 .357 mag when i sleep out in the shanty. "better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it."
any comments?
-Dave
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lol. i carry anywhere i can. fishing, hunting, even down to the corner store. one great thing about New Hampshire is you can carry almost anywhere and signs dont affect you unless the manager asks you to leave. gotta love NH!
-Dave
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Man Big Dawg.......you are definitely the wrong shanty to accidentally wander into :o
Do you ask your intruder..........Do you feel lucky? ;)
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Wow, I thought this post was going to be about scotch-guard. Rock on, Big Dawg. It's nice to hear of people that are allowed to flaunt the 2nd Amendment as much as the 1st.
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No carry and conceal here. That said most times of the year I do have a gun in the truck whether it is my trap gun, a hunting rifle, or a .22 for plinking.
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and get this guys. ready for this? YOU CAN LEGALLY OPEN CARRY A HANDGUN!!! although i wouldnt in manchester/concord or any other cities but in the boondocks, do it up! one more thing, a semi-auto .40, ya think it would freeze up some how in below 0 temps? Ive thought about carrying that as it is a 13+1 compared to the 6 shot. just a thought.
-Dave
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PROTECTION! Protection from what! I have not met anyone on the ice that I would'nt invite home for dinner let alone worry about packin a pistol! I'm at a loss for why you felt the need to post this.
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to each his own...and you are certainly within your right to bear arms. honestly i have never felt the need, but i almost always have kids with me and have never had an altercation that would make me wish otherwise. i have however heard stories to the contrary!! so if ya hear me screamin like a little girl...come help me out and dont forget your pistola~
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That's the scary part of life, you never know when some deranged moron may come looking for a fight!! I personally only carry a pistola (9mm or .357mag) when I am way out in the boonies. More power to you if you can carry wherever in NH.
Robb :tipup:
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PROTECTION! Protection from what! I have not met anyone on the ice that I would'nt invite home for dinner let alone worry about packin a pistol! I'm at a loss for why you felt the need to post this.
I guess you never read the story, about the guy that got chopped up with the Auger last year.. ;)
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HOLY CRAP STUMPER!!! NOW THAT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS A FIREARM! MAN...Pletch, incase you havent noticed, the world is not all sugar coated and decorated with flowers. there are some nuts out there. and yes while most of the guys ive met fishing i would invite them for dinner. but you never know when it hits the fan.
-Dave
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I just picked her up a couple weeks ago.Gonna try to get serious about yote hunting again. ;)
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Hey Stumper:
Gotta love the AR! the .223 round is underrated, but they proved themselves to me during my military service. It's as much a visual deterrent as a weapon. Nobody wants that puppy pointed at them for any reason. Can't see needing it on the ice(unless Al Qaeda decides ice fishermen are the next manifestations of the Anti-Christ), but nice to know it's there if the 'need' arises.
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Sweet!!!!! All I can say is Why Waltz when you can Rock & Roll.
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I figured I haul enough stuff on this ice that I do not need to pack my 454. I pack it bow hunting and at 56oz, that is even too much extra weight. If need be I will beat who ever needs it with a piece of Caribou jerky ;D
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Stumper, You're going to love that AR-15. I've had one for over 10 years now and love it. With that velocity and a hollow point, you can deal out some heavy damage.
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hmmm...i don't have a gas auger...but i do have a springfield 45....hmmmm...seven holes real quick....
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LIVE FREE OR DIE!!!
I have personally carried my Glock 21 (.45 cal.) with me ice fishing concealed under my outer most jacket. Even talked to a State Trooper and a DEC guy the same day and they never even knew it was there. I DO NOT go looking for trouble, but in today's society it seems prudent to be prepared for when trouble comes looking for you. :(
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Hey stumper, that's a nice AR! I used to have a 24" stainless upper for mine, but traded for a 16" HBAR. I shoot the gun a lot more often now, but someday would like another varmint rig. BTW, if I may be so bold as to make a suggestion- loost that A2 upper and get an A3. You'd still be able to mount a scope on the rail and the scope would be closer to the centerline of the gun aiding in acheiving a better cheek weld and sight picture. As a bonus, you could also mount a detachable carry handle when you didn't need the scope.
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Hey stumper, that's a nice AR! I used to have a 24" stainless upper for mine, but traded for a 16" HBAR. I shoot the gun a lot more often now, but someday would like another varmint rig. BTW, if I may be so bold as to make a suggestion- loost that A2 upper and get an A3. You'd still be able to mount a scope on the rail and the scope would be closer to the centerline of the gun aiding in acheiving a better cheek weld and sight picture. As a bonus, you could also mount a detachable carry handle when you didn't need the scope.
Some day I plan on geting an A3 upper ,but for now its not in he budget.I actually like the looks of this set up better.I know what you mean on the other points though.I was worried about the cheak position,Its not so bad though.
stump
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we carry a 12 guage on board to keep those pesky CG Aux away ;D
we do use it on Mako's though...sometime a warning blast to the seagull if they are messin' with our balloons
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i love vermont, i can carry a full auto glock with a 22 round hi cap mag. gotta lov V.T no permits no questions asked.
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i love vermont, i can carry a full auto glock with a 22 round hi cap mag. gotta lov V.T no permits no questions asked.
:callcops: I gotta call B.S. on this one. A Glock Model 18..... I don't think so.
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I carry a .45 (I live in Michigan and have my CCP), but not on the ice, only when I'm fishing for brookies in the toolies. Not for protection from man, for protection from critters.
If someone gets in my face, I just offer them a beer. It's cheaper than a lawyer and easier to explain to the wife. Seems a little extreme. Although, maybe I should be carrying on the ice to protect myself against ice fisherman packing assult rifles and fully automatic pistols just because they can.....I'm all for excersizing your constitutional rights, but I dont carry for fun.
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i love vermont, i can carry a full auto glock with a 22 round hi cap mag. gotta lov V.T no permits no questions asked.
I dont care what state your in,Full auto is against FEDERAL LAW.I think you must be in a state of confusion?lol
stump
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I dont care what state your in,Full auto is against FEDERAL LAW.I think you must be in a state of confusion?lol
stump
NOT TRUE!!! Several states allow the ownership of full auto weapons. You simply have to fill out and have approved the FEDERAL form, and pay big money for the guns- usually in the $4000+ range!
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NOT TRUE!!! Several states allow the ownership of full auto weapons. You simply have to fill out and have approved the FEDERAL form, and pay big money for the guns- usually in the $4000+ range!
I guess I was refering to the general public since he said "no permits no questions asked" .I can carry full auto here If I have the FFL license that is required.
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I guess I was refering to the general public since he said "no permits no questions asked" .I can carry full auto here If I have the FFL license that is required.
They allow full auto in South DAkota??? Yet another state to add to my list of places I wouldn't mind living. ;D
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ONLY if you have a FFL and are not useing it for hunting.
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i believe maine is the same. can own it but cant hunt with it.
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If you are that paranoid to carry a gun while ice fishing, maybe you need an evaluation. ::) I wouldn't want to be near anyone packing,,,,,,,,,,especially if they like to tip a few. I am an avid hunter, but I can't see the reason to carry when fishing.........unless perhaps you are hoping for a confrontation??? Are there alot of street gangs roaming the ice up there in NH? :o
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If you are that paranoid to carry a gun while ice fishing, maybe you need an evaluation.
are you serious? :cookoo: If someone wants to carry while ice fishing thats fine with me. I think it is a very good idea, especially because if your life is being threatened by someone, there is no way that the cops would be able to get to you on the lake fast enough to save you/catch the person, if they even go on the ice at all.....
And I do hope that if someone does take a gun on the ice that they are smart enough to drink, or at least not get drunk.
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Last year on the lake that i had my house on 12 perms with wheels were stolen. the people were caught when they hooks up to one while the owner was in it. would you like to have a gun with at that point? I know I would.
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In today's world I don't blame anyone for carrying "responsibly" and legally. You just never know. It doesn't matter where you're from or where you're goin-there is always the possiblilty of violence. Or, as stated before, some critters.
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Well, in nearly 25 yrs. of ice fishing, I have never had my life threatened.......or even a bad encounter ::). If it makes you feel macho, then go for it. ;D If everyone carried a gun, then it would get real ugly.
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Holy crap . Man I glad I live in the great white north . I did think icefishing was that dangerous
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jabers, can you carry or even own a sidearm up there?
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I'm just curious-did anyone refer to carrying a gun with them to feel macho? I don't recall seeing that. I don't doubt a bit that some people do but no one on this thread I believe is stating that. Besides who would they have to impress-the fish? Why do you have such an issue if someone decides to carry with them or not.
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I'm just curious-did anyone refer to carrying a gun with them to feel macho? I don't recall seeing that. I don't doubt a bit that some people do but no one on this thread I believe is stating that. Besides who would they have to impress-the fish? Why do you have such an issue if someone decides to carry with them or not.
EXACTLY!! It's stuff like that that divides gun owners. The so-called " avid hunters" who don't like people carrying pistols or owning AR15's because THEY don't see a need for them. All this does is give the anti-gunners more fuel for their fire. The enemy should be without, not within!!
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Just in case folks from other parts of the world get the idea that you need to carry to be safe while ice-fishing in NH…
In 2004 the top 5 safest states (http://www.morganquitno.com/dangsaf04.htm) were North Dakota, Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire, and South Dakota.
Given that ice fishing tends to take place in remote rural locations, I’d suggest that statistically, ice fishing in NH, or any of the other above locations, has got to be one of the safest activities out there. If I felt I needed a gun to protect my shanty while I’m ice fishing, I’d find another hobby.
That said, I have no problem with well balanced people carrying on the ice or anywhere else. (I’m a hunter, have an over-full gun safe, and know lots of folks who carry.)
I just don’t want folks to go away thinking you NEED a gun to protect your shanty in NH… ;D
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I guess I should start carrying my 30-06 so I can shoot someone if they try and take my minnow bucket :D. I own atleast 20 guns(a few handguns too), but ice fishing is the last place that I feel that I need one. Oh, of course nobody is going to admit they feel "macho" carrying. What problems do you expect to encounter while on the ice? Do you carry lots of money or jewelry when persuing perch? Maybe 60 Minutes will address this in a future program called......."Crime on the Hardwater" :P.
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Do hooks, foreceps, gerber plyers, and ice picks count as lethal weapons?!?!! :flex:
Seriously though... I've never had the need for a weapon when doing any kinds of fishing. However, as many people have said, to each his own and there ARE a lot of crazy people out there that are capable of Lord knows what! The icefisherman I've encountered on the ice though have all been good natured. I think it takes a special breed of fisherman to be on the ice.... but... there are some who spoil it for the many by unfortunately stealing property. If I were that guy in the shanty while someone was hooking it up to rip it off, I'd want to have at aleast a good stick to waive in his face to ward him off!!!
-WF.
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Do hooks, foreceps, gerber plyers, and ice picks count as lethal weapons?!?!!
Of course.... but don't forget the four foot long gaff hook ;)2
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"What problems do you expect to encounter while on the ice?"
Woodguy-what problems do you expect when you are going out to pick up a gallon of milk? I am not saying that there is a "need" ,so to speak, to carry while icefishing. I don't, however, have an issue with someone if they do carry on the ice responsibly. I have a carry permit for my Glock 30-I haven't ever taken it on the ice with me. Each is left to decide for him/herself. I just can't believe guys are getting bashed on this site by other "members" for carrying a sidearm on the ice for protection. Every season there is a topic on here that gets guys goin and looks like this will be one.
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Of course.... but don't forget the four foot long gaff hook ;)2
Oh yeah, I forgot about the gaff!!! ;D
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Gotta pertect yourself from those snow snakes sneaking up on you I guess
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I used my .22 pistol to kill 2 mice in my hardside last year. ;D little buggers chewed through the lid on my peanuts.
stump
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stumper, you reminded me of my uncle. he had a otter that would come up his shack hole while he was out checking his tip ups and it would eat his smelt. our shack was right next door to him. we heard him cursing then mumble "ill take care of his a**''! he got in his truck and left. a little while later we heard him pull back in and go in his shack. about a half hr. later we heard a gunshot. we raced over to his cabin flung the door open to see my uncle with a .410 in his hands laughing like a hyena, with otter brains all over the wall of the cabin! he says in french ''hes not gonna' eat my bait anymore!'' i think he had a little too much brandy that day but it sure was funny! just figured i would try to lighten things up a bit.
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one think is true to each his own. If you are legally carring that is your option. I also believe that a armed society is a polite society
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You know it's funny, I don't carry a gun on the ice...simply because I don't have one. Someone mentioned that South Dakota is one of the safest states to live in. That's nice sentiment if all your looking at is Crime Stats. Around here we have an increasing Mountain Lion problem. After several peoples dogs got eaten and numerous sighting over the last few years around Rapid City, SDGFP finally started a Mountain Lion hunting season. I've been seriously considering buying a sidearm just in case. Until I do, the cubs are staying home unless were with a large group. I've also heard about the shanty's being stolen and how soon we forget about the guy in MN that went off his rocker and killed several other hunters because of a tree stand dispute last year. You never know. I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
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stumper, you reminded me of my uncle. he had a otter that would come up his shack hole while he was out checking his tip ups and it would eat his smelt. our shack was right next door to him. we heard him cursing then mumble "ill take care of his a**''! he got in his truck and left. a little while later we heard him pull back in and go in his shack. about a half hr. later we heard a gunshot. we raced over to his cabin flung the door open to see my uncle with a .410 in his hands laughing like a hyena, with otter brains all over the wall of the cabin! he says in french ''hes not gonna' eat my bait anymore!'' i think he had a little too much brandy that day but it sure was funny! just figured i would try to lighten things up a bit.
GEEZ! That is funny as all heck!!! LOL Very very good stuff. I would probably keel over from laughing so hard if that was me walking through the door!!!
You know it's funny, I don't carry a gun on the ice...simply because I don't have one. Someone mentioned that South Dakota is one of the safest states to live in. That's nice sentiment if all your looking at is Crime Stats. Around here we have an increasing Mountain Lion problem. After several peoples dogs got eaten and numerous sighting over the last few years around Rapid City, SDGFP finally started a Mountain Lion hunting season. I've been seriously considering buying a sidearm just in case. Until I do, the cubs are staying home unless were with a large group. I've also heard about the shanty's being stolen and how soon we forget about the guy in MN that went off his rocker and killed several other hunters because of a tree stand dispute last year. You never know. I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
Kodiak - you definitely have a very good point going here with this too. There has even been a mt lion reported in the grenville/waubay lake area and it's been sighted several times. However, with the large amount of predator feed such as deer and what-not I haven't really worried about it. I have heard and read that they are pretty thick out by Rapid and west-river. I hope after they do some research and all they decide to keep the season open. It'd be nice to bag a mt. lion sometime in the future, if the opportunity ever existed. And yes, I too remember reading all sorts of articles about cats, dogs, farmstock, etc. getting taken westriver by them. That stupid *** out in wisconsion - I'm so glad he got life without parole. Absolutely horrific crime & no remorse or apology or nothing at all during the closing statements from stuff i read on cnn & tv... Guys a loonie - those are the ones you have to be careful around!
-WF.
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I never really felt the need for a gun on the ice. Although perch/skeet shooting with a 12 guage on the ice could be pretty entertaining. But in all seriousness, if I felt that i needed a gun with me on the ice, i would probaly find something else to do in the winter. However, I am also a big fan of the second ammendment, so if other people want to carry weapons with them on the ice and they do it safely and responsibly, then more power to 'em.
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we dont lock our shack at all and we wrote a small note on our table that anyone is welcome to use our shack just please dont steal or break anything and pretty please leave some beer for us. of the 7 years we have had our shack nobody stole or broke anything in it and we have actually been left with some frozen solid beers on the table. we are building a new shack this year and we will certainly put the same table in it.
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Hey Mad,
can you give me gps coordinates to your shack? 8)
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We purchased a Daisy pistol just for the trapping basket. When the fishing is really slow we stalk some of them dreaded empty beer cans or try to get a flag to go off with a well placed shot. The minnow bucket also looks like it's been beat on by a mini ball peen hammer. :D
Funny thing, we got hassled by a EPO because he said we could not shoot a BB gun on a Sunday in the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts unless we were on an approved range. I'm pretty sure that he was full of shtuff. That law only applies to "Fire arms" and I know that a bb gun is not classified as such. I live eight miles from VT and twelve miles from NH, I have been thinking real seriously of a move north in the near future.
Capt.
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a BB gun can be consitered a fire arm....which is a A portable gun. even though the BB isn't fired by a powder charge I can see where the EPO was coming from. I don't think that moving is going to solve your problems. If I was being "hassled" by an EPO for shooting a BB gun on the lake I would certainly back off for fear of being charged with something like "reckless use or discharge of a weapon" I'm not trying to wreck your fun, but I hope that you were a good distance away from everyone else for safety
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I dont care what state your in,Full auto is against FEDERAL LAW.I think you must be in a state of confusion?lol
stump
i never said anything about full auto i was talking about a glock pistol wiht a aftermarket hi-cap mag, like this one http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=137761 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=137761) the only gun control laws in V.T are federl laws. it is legal to own a full auto or select fire if you have the goverment issued permit, somewhat hard to get. i would like to get one someday. i really dont understand the reason for the permits, crimanls get thema anyway ???
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. even though the BB isn't fired by a powder charge I can see where the EPO was coming from. I don't think that moving is going to solve your problems. If I was being "hassled" by an EPO for shooting a BB gun on the lake I would certainly back off for fear of being charged with something like "reckless use or discharge of a weapon" I'm not trying to wreck your fun, but I hope that you were a good distance away from everyone else for safety
" a BB gun can be consitered a fire arm....which is a A portable gun"
Let's try the first definition shall we:
"fire·arm Audio pronunciation of "firearm" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (frärm)
n.
A weapon, especially a pistol or rifle, capable of firing a projectile and using an explosive charge as a propellant."
And that is the Mass. laws interpretation as well. You don't need a license for one Etc.
If I JB Weld it to a large rock with a swivel mount would it no longer be consitered a "fire arm"?
"I don't think that moving is going to solve your problems."
Moving to NY wouldn't because it is about the only state in the North East that has more insane gun laws than Mass.
If I was being "hassled" by an EPO for shooting a BB gun on the lake I would certainly back off for fear of being charged with something like "reckless use or discharge of a weapon"
We weren't even using it at the time. It looks a little like a real hand gun so we informed him that we had a bb gun and it was sitting on top of the basket so if he saw it he would not feel threatend. We said no problem and that we would put it away.
"I'm not trying to wreck your fun, but I hope that you were a good distance away from everyone else for safety"
Actually, we line the little kids up directly behind the minnow bucket so we can have better target acquisition. **censored** DUDE!
The lake we were on at the time had exactly zero other occupants.
I know that I'm comming down heavy on you but the second amendment means a little something to me and I don't like what I have been seeing in my state. And also remember, we are talking about a "fire arm" that, if you fired it directly in to your palm at point blank range, would cause no perminent damage. I hope I don't offend you. Remember that it's just an internet chat room and I mean you no ill will and wish you many flags.
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Ruger GP100 357 mag
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Actually, we line the little kids up directly behind the minnow bucket so we can have better target acquisition. **censored** DUDE!
Why do you suppose it is that when I read this, I had the mental picture of Stan from South Park saying it?
Laughed so hard I almost peed my pants.
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Why do you suppose it is that when I read this, I had the mental picture of Stan from South Park saying it?
Laughed so hard I almost peed my pants.
same here.
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i have been following this thread since the beginnig. it seems to me that while the thread is titled shanty protection, the topic is more about carrying a weapon for personal protection. if you are a person who does so you probably carry icefishing for the same reasons you would anywhere else. to protect yourself from the worst case scenario. and that could unfold anywhere. i dont carry, i dont even own a sidearm but thank god i can if i want to ;)
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Capt- sorry If I offended you. The Second Amendment means a lot to me also. The only reason that I said that "I hope you were away from people" is because I did not know that it was a low power gun you have, and I have heard of some people using the high power BB guns on the ice and getting people injured by stray BBs. The definition that I quoted was the first one that popped up. I know that it is only an internet chat room, and I was only expressing an opinion and making a couple of statements. As I said before, sorry if I offended you and good luck to you ice fishing this year :tipup:
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You guys keep a lawyer fish in business. Carry on
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You guys keep a lawyer fish in business.
A lawyer fish ??? Never landed me one of them.
Maybe out of professional courtesy the sharks warn them of the hook? ;D
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" a BB gun can be consitered a fire arm....which is a A portable gun"
Let's try the first definition shall we:
"fire·arm Audio pronunciation of "firearm" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (frärm)
n.
A weapon, especially a pistol or rifle, capable of firing a projectile and using an explosive charge as a propellant."
And that is the Mass. laws interpretation as well. You don't need a license for one Etc.
If I JB Weld it to a large rock with a swivel mount would it no longer be consitered a "fire arm"?
"I don't think that moving is going to solve your problems."
Moving to NY wouldn't because it is about the only state in the North East that has more insane gun laws than Mass.
If I was being "hassled" by an EPO for shooting a BB gun on the lake I would certainly back off for fear of being charged with something like "reckless use or discharge of a weapon"
We weren't even using it at the time. It looks a little like a real hand gun so we informed him that we had a bb gun and it was sitting on top of the basket so if he saw it he would not feel threatend. We said no problem and that we would put it away.
"I'm not trying to wreck your fun, but I hope that you were a good distance away from everyone else for safety"
Actually, we line the little kids up directly behind the minnow bucket so we can have better target acquisition. **censored** DUDE!
The lake we were on at the time had exactly zero other occupants.
I know that I'm comming down heavy on you but the second amendment means a little something to me and I don't like what I have been seeing in my state. And also remember, we are talking about a "fire arm" that, if you fired it directly in to your palm at point blank range, would cause no perminent damage. I hope I don't offend you. Remember that it's just an internet chat room and I mean you no ill will and wish you many flags.
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I know for a FACT that here in NY, an air pistol/rifle IS cinsidered a firearm! I asked DEC .
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I hope this thread doesn't get sent to the Grumpy Old Men Shanty :whistle:
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i never said anything about full auto i was talking about a glock pistol wiht a aftermarket hi-cap mag, like this one http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=137761 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=137761) the only gun control laws in V.T are federl laws. it is legal to own a full auto or select fire if you have the goverment issued permit, somewhat hard to get. i would like to get one someday. i really dont understand the reason for the permits, crimanls get thema anyway ???
THIS IS WHAT YOU POSTED
"i love vermont, i can carry a full auto glock with a 22 round hi cap mag. gotta lov V.T no permits no questions asked."
You VERY cleary stated FULL AUTO GLOCK,Am I correct?
stump
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THIS IS WHAT YOU POSTED
"i love vermont, i can carry a full auto glock with a 22 round hi cap mag. gotta lov V.T no permits no questions asked."
You VERY cleary stated FULL AUTO GLOCK,Am I correct?
stump
oh srry about that guys, i didnt notice it typed that, you guys are correct one that one.
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Really guys,the 357 is for self protection while sleeping on the ice. My shack goes where I go.
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Lot's of beans and a Mr. Buddy heater is all ya need. Nobody will mess with ya. ;D
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Or maybe a MOAT around your shanty. (ala MNburbot's avatar)
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fat boy, there are some things that should go unsaid. ;) and to the "concerned" people of ICESHANTY.COM, i dont drink so dont worry about me consuming and carrying.