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What is the best jighead and bait for pike,walleyes panfish ect
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Based on your previous posts, I have to say there is no true "universal" lure or tackle setup. It always sounds good when folks ask what you're fishing for and the reply is "Whatever's biting". Reality is if you want to catch panfish, tackle to optimize panfish and you'll do much better than if you were tackled up for walleye, bass or pike. Sure, you'll catch the occasional non-panfish but not many and, with pike, the opportunity to actually land them is greatly diminished. Flip the coin and say you're going for pike. You'll certainly do better with stouter tackle and larger baits. Might catch an occasional nice walleye but your opportunity to catch panfish is almost zero. That's why there are so many tackle and lure options available. They offer the opportunity to fine tune presentations based on species and thereby increase success for the targets. As a rule the more you fine tune toward a species the better you'll do.
Is there a setup that "can" appeal to everything from bluegills to pike? Sort of. Thing is you'll be trading a swing at all for diminished success for all. An in-between set up won't attract the most pike possible nor the most panfish possible. Truth is if you go that route you could sit all day with nary a nibble while many others around you are taking advantage of a hot pannie or walleye or pike bite by optimizing their presentations.
I know this won't likely change your path but I think it needs to be said. Now I've said it, I'll restate my suggestion I made to you earlier: Wanna take a swing at all? I'd be into a 1/16 oz. jig or spoon tipped with a small to medium fathead. You'd have a decent chance for perch, crappies or 'eyes with bluegills and pike falling a bit outside of that. Not to say you'd never catch a 'gill or pike but not too likely. You could bend the base presentation a bit by subbing waxies or spike to better appeal to gills, crappies and small perch or go to a large fathead/small shiner to slide the target to walleye or pike.
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What brand jighead in what color
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Based on your previous posts, I have to say there is no true "universal" lure or tackle setup. It always sounds good when folks ask what you're fishing for and the reply is "Whatever's biting". Reality is if you want to catch panfish, tackle to optimize panfish and you'll do much better than if you were tackled up for walleye, bass or pike. Sure, you'll catch the occasional non-panfish but not many and, with pike, the opportunity to actually land them is greatly diminished. Flip the coin and say you're going for pike. You'll certainly do better with stouter tackle and larger baits. Might catch an occasional nice walleye but your opportunity to catch panfish is almost zero. That's why there are so many tackle and lure options available. They offer the opportunity to fine tune presentations based on species and thereby increase success for the targets. As a rule the more you fine tune toward a species the better you'll do.
Is there a setup that "can" appeal to everything from bluegills to pike? Sort of. Thing is you'll be trading a swing at all for diminished success for all. An in-between set up won't attract the most pike possible nor the most panfish possible. Truth is if you go that route you could sit all day with nary a nibble while many others around you are taking advantage of a hot pannie or walleye or pike bite by optimizing their presentations.
I know this won't likely change your path but I think it needs to be said. Now I've said it, I'll restate my suggestion I made to you earlier: Wanna take a swing at all? I'd be into a 1/16 oz. jig or spoon tipped with a small to medium fathead. You'd have a decent chance for perch, crappies or 'eyes with bluegills and pike falling a bit outside of that. Not to say you'd never catch a 'gill or pike but not too likely. You could bend the base presentation a bit by subbing waxies or spike to better appeal to gills, crappies and small perch or go to a large fathead/small shiner to slide the target to walleye or pike.
Minnows are expensive already Spend alot for minnows on tip ups
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DuPont Spinners catch everything that swims ;)
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DuPont Spinners catch everything that swims ;)
Thx for the tip ( i will get them if more people reply and most agrees)
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DuPont Spinners catch everything that swims ;)
Yes sir the are a killer
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Yes sir the are a killer
Grammar police your we have a search warrant because you said the instead of they(joking)
Thanks you now i will definitely start to search
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How do you ice fish with a inline spinner
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How do you ice fish with a inline spinner
cast it underwater
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How do you get distance without pole hitting ice or shanty
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DuPont Spinners catch everything that swims ;)
True, but the dang things are noisy. :o ;D
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DuPont Spinners catch everything that swims ;)
And to be a smart alic carp wont eat them
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Grammar police your we have a search warrant because you said the instead of they(joking)
Thanks you now i will definitely start to search
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Remember some of us are old , and not English majors, 😉 back when life was fun and not so hurried , and don’t forget your punctuation (joking) besides here in NY not much beats a jigging rap for perch and eyes
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Grammar police your we have a search warrant because you said the instead of they(joking)
Thanks you now i will definitely start to search
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Remember some of us are old , and not English majors, 😉 back when life was fun and not so hurried , and don’t forget your punctuation (joking) besides here in NY not much beats a jigging rap for perch and eyes
What is the best jigging rap and what size and color (thx for accidentally answering a question i had)
Now i got setup planned
Jighead and plastic
Jigging rap
Jigging spoon
So was wondering what is best for rap and best jighead and plastic to go with it
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I don’t do many things by accident but after 40 + years learning the lakes I fish I manage a meal or 2
Soft water I tie my own patterns for eyes and perch
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I don’t do many things by accident but after 40 + years learning the lakes I fish I manage a meal or 2
Soft water I tie my own patterns for eyes and perch
Know people who do well with jigs
People do well with jigging spoons
People do well with jigging raps
Researching the best of the best because not catching a fish jigging for 2 seasons is annoying and am not doing it for a 3rd season
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Learn your prey and you will catch more fish ,(fact)
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If I wasn’t travel restricted go to 1000 islands have a hard enough time not catching them when targetting other fish (8 in perch on 3/4 oz daredevle)
But perch around me are hard to get because pike, pressure, steel leader ect people around here are very vague so asking best of best will usually give answers of to experiment with
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Learn your prey and you will catch more fish ,(fact)
Knowing
THE FISH... Species habits and preferences
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LOCATION ..depth ..contours etc
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PRESENTATION ( LURES & BAITS )
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TIMING..time of season/year
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SUCCESS
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WATCH this video..and purchase In-Fishermans Ice Secrets book ..lots of great insights ..
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Knowing
THE FISH... Species habits and preferences
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LOCATION ..depth ..contours etc
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PRESENTATION ( LURES & BAITS )
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TIMING..time of season/year
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SUCCESS
👍🎣
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The specific info of lure is needed
Think of a murder of someone who was setup to look like a suicide if the victim has a gunshot in their head holding a gun and a suicide note it would be a suicide until the autopsy reveals the victim was poisoned which leads too the Poisoned drink. Finding either the fingerprints or whoever obtained the poisoned (which represents the specifications) and knows how to use it what im looking for
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Playing clue instead of fishing would be much more rewarding
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Sigh... there are no "magic" (read sure-fire) lures just as there are no secret spots (anymore). You are chasing a unicorn.
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Know people who do well with jigs
People do well with jigging spoons
People do well with jigging raps
Researching the best of the best because not catching a fish jigging for 2 seasons is annoying and am not doing it for a 3rd season
I'd be spending more time on YouTube and looking at lake maps you will be fishing, lots of great info on both
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The best lure if used at the wrong time/size/color or the wrong jigging cadence will have poor results . Watch that video it will get you the results you are tying to achieve .
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Its like deciding to use a gold vs silver when the water is clear but weather is cloudy or vise versa is best comparison as both will work but which will work better and there is no distinction that proves what will or wont hold fish its 4ft everywhere where its safe and just weedy
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Ive tried all sorts of techniques from YouTube and it never works Its local info from forums that have been a real make or break deal. Its details like this that are going to attract the school towards you rather then the guy next to you
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We learn more by doing , And experimenting , there is no all knowing ice or soft water guide , don’t be afraid to think out of the box , best advise an old timer can give , I guess some think we were handed the Trident
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Ive tried all sorts of techniques from YouTube and it never works Its local info from forums that have been a real make or break deal. Its details like this that are going to attract the school towards you rather then the guy next to you
You should change your profile location to reflect the county and state ..DEC Region 8 ??? many states number their regions ..folks in your county and state may see your posts and may reply with the lures and techniques that work best .
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You should change your profile location to reflect the county and state ..DEC Region 8 ??? many states number their regions ..folks in your county and state may see your posts and may reply with the lures and techniques that work best .
I mentioned that a while back
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Dec is for ny states version as minnesota’s dnr
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I mentioned that a while back
And i did
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And yet you ask on the general chit chat thread 🤔
Stick to NY , and closer to home you will get better answers ,
As fishing is different in other states no help here ,
To help you learn much of the info you seek is here , go back through waters close to home you can pick up a lot of info , there is no magic lure to catch all species
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Based on your previous posts/questions ..you fish in some tough conditions 4 fow in a weedy flat . If your prey is Pike and you are in NY . My action plan would consist of dead bait on 5-6 tip ups..with 25 lbs dacron line and various leaders ..mono ..steel...fluorocarbon ..set at various depth ..bottom ..middle..top ...in the weeds and on the edge of weeds ..and change in bottom composition ...sand.. rock etc is another area I would explore. On my jigging rods I would use a rattling bait ..and jig in the area and/or holes of my tip ups...second rod would be a rattling spoon ..maybe glow for added measure. After that its tweaking and moving . Have an action plan ..change that plan if need be ..but most importantly is have confidence in that plan/lure/set up or change it . After all is said and done learn from what you did right and what you think you did not so right . Its called fishing and not catching . Enjoy the good times and the not so good times .
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Based on your previous posts/questions ..you fish in some tough conditions 4 fow in a weedy flat . If your prey is Pike and you are in NY . My action plan would consist of dead bait on 5-6 tip ups..with 25 lbs dacron line and various leaders ..mono ..steel...fluorocarbon ..set at various depth ..bottom ..middle..top ...in the weeds and on the edge of weeds ..and change in bottom composition ...sand.. rock etc is another area I would explore. On my jigging rods I would use a rattling bait ..and jig in the area and/or holes of my tip ups...second rod would be a rattling spoon ..maybe glow for added measure. After that its tweaking and moving . Have an action plan ..change that plan if need be ..but most importantly is have confidence in that plan/lure/set up or change it . After all is said and done learn from what you did right and what you think you did not so right . Its called fishing and not catching . Enjoy the good times and the not so good times .
What rattling bait would you use in what size and color
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What rattling bait would you use in what size and color
Match the pattern and size of the primary forage ...or clown color ..your choice got to experiment .
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Based on your previous posts/questions ..you fish in some tough conditions 4 fow in a weedy flat . If your prey is Pike and you are in NY . My action plan would consist of dead bait on 5-6 tip ups..with 25 lbs dacron line and various leaders ..mono ..steel...fluorocarbon ..set at various depth ..bottom ..middle..top ...in the weeds and on the edge of weeds ..and change in bottom composition ...sand.. rock etc is another area I would explore. On my jigging rods I would use a rattling bait ..and jig in the area and/or holes of my tip ups...second rod would be a rattling spoon ..maybe glow for added measure. After that its tweaking and moving . Have an action plan ..change that plan if need be ..but most importantly is have confidence in that plan/lure/set up or change it . After all is said and done learn from what you did right and what you think you did not so right . Its called fishing and not catching . Enjoy the good times and the not so good times .
Plans are rod
1/16 oz jighead with plastic
Jigging rap
Rattling spoon or jigging spoon
Looking for specifics that work
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And yet you ask on the general chit chat thread 🤔
Stick to NY , and closer to home you will get better answers ,
As fishing is different in other states no help here ,
To help you learn much of the info you seek is here , go back through waters close to home you can pick up a lot of info , there is no magic lure to catch all species
Daredevle spoons have worked for pike in multiple places
Senkos work for bass everywhere
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Round jig head and minnow...is best overall.
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Do you have a fish finder?
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Do you have a fish finder?
No
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If you want to catch perch....
figure out where the schools travel during the winter....weed flats, basins, pinch points, saddles, etc.
Set up tipdowns - as many as your state allows - around you. Use light line and minnows/minnow heads or perch eyes
Set up a jigging rod in the middle of your tip down spread.
You can gauge the direction of the school travel by watching the tip downs fall
Get ahead of the school
If you are catching dinks, move....small perch school together and large perch school together, they often do not mix as they target different foods
By reading your posts, it seems you need to learn to adapt to the fish you are targeting. Go fishing on these bodies of water before ice up so you can figure out the pattern - they don't change much after ice up/early ice period. Figure out where the fish are at ice out....this will help you on late ice.
Put in some time, try new things, watch the video above or buy the book. It is a great high level starting point
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No
start making money! A quality flasher would help alot.
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start making money! A quality flasher would help alot.
Doesn’t matter when its only 4 ft with 2 feet of weeds everywhere and you can see bottom
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So you are seeing fish but can't catch any?
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I would try different lakes if you are not doing good on that shallow lake.fishing takes skill but not like putting a rubix cube together skill.cavemen were doing it with vines,bone hooks and dinosaur meat for bait.lol
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I would try different lakes if you are not doing good on that shallow lake.fishing takes skill but not like putting a rubix cube together skill.cavemen were doing it with vines,bone hooks and dinosaur meat for bait.lol
I mainly fish one place with a trip to another place like once a season
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I mainly fish one place with a trip to another place like once a season
It seems you have spent more time on the internet than fishing!
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I mainly fish one place with a trip to another place like once a season
There are other ponds/lakes in that area that you can fish that will provide more opportunity than Braddocks. From what I have read, Braddocks is not a very productive body of water, making even the best days relatively slow compared to other places. It's REALLY, REALLLLLLY hard to learn how to do anything successfully if there are not many fish to be caught. I learned all of my tip-up "skills" fishing a lake 10 minutes from my house where I grew up in PA named Rose Valley Lake. Locals nicknamed the place "Death Valley" during the winter because fish other than bass/pickerel were hard to come by, especially without a flasher or camera. I never learned how to jig until I started going to places that had a better panfish population. I realized after learning how to jig that I basically hate everything about tip-up fishing, except for 1-2 days a year that I take more than one other person with me. Plus bait in NY is expensive and dealing with the 10-day rule is annoying.
Here are the other places within a 30 minute drive:
100 Acre Pond in Mendon
Irondequoit Bay
Buck Pond
Cranberry Pong
Long Pond
Probably dozens of farm ponds local to you.
Not sure where exactly you live, but those are the places JUST in Monroe county. Expanding out to Wayne, Ontario, Livingston, Genesee, and Orleans counties opens up to a ton of places. Sodus Bay in Wayne County would be a really good place to learn how to jig if you can make it over there. it's about an hour from Braddocks and has a great perch fishery.
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There are other ponds/lakes in that area that you can fish that will provide more opportunity than Braddocks. From what I have read, Braddocks is not a very productive body of water, making even the best days relatively slow compared to other places. It's REALLY, REALLLLLLY hard to learn how to do anything successfully if there are not many fish to be caught. I learned all of my tip-up "skills" fishing a lake 10 minutes from my house where I grew up in PA named Rose Valley Lake. Locals nicknamed the place "Death Valley" during the winter because fish other than bass/pickerel were hard to come by, especially without a flasher or camera. I never learned how to jig until I started going to places that had a better panfish population. I realized after learning how to jig that I basically hate everything about tip-up fishing, except for 1-2 days a year that I take more than one other person with me. Plus bait in NY is expensive and dealing with the 10-day rule is annoying.
Here are the other places within a 30 minute drive:
100 Acre Pond in Mendon
Irondequoit Bay
Buck Pond
Cranberry Pong
Long Pond
Probably dozens of farm ponds local to you.
Not sure where exactly you live, but those are the places JUST in Monroe county. Expanding out to Wayne, Ontario, Livingston, Genesee, and Orleans counties opens up to a ton of places. Sodus Bay in Wayne County would be a really good place to learn how to jig if you can make it over there. it's about an hour from Braddocks and has a great perch fishery.
Cranberry is always jammed packed people might as well live on that ice
Long pond ive been waiting to try
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there is probably a reason that cranberry is busy though! Most people eventually stop fishing at places that they don't catch fish, and most people enjoy going to places they do catch fish.
Long pond is 3 minutes down the road from Braddocks. Try something new if you can't seem to catch fish at the same place you always go to...……….
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there is probably a reason that cranberry is busy though! Most people eventually stop fishing at places that they don't catch fish, and most people enjoy going to places they do catch fish.
Long pond is 3 minutes down the road from Braddocks. Try something new if you can't seem to catch fish at the same place you always go to...……….
Im only 17 parents only let me go to Braddock unless i go with friend who they trust The perch are there its just all the pike at Braddock that make them hard to get
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Im only 17 parents only let me go to Braddock unless i go with friend who they trust The perch are there its just all the pike at Braddock that make them hard to get
Good parents you have there young man. One should probably not go on the ice alone at any age but... :whistle:
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this is so hard to know where to begin...the ice fishing secrets books/videos was where i started out when i was a young'n and nobody i knew ice fished so that's a good start.
i've never seen catchable perch in 4fow. once i've found perch they are rarely that tricky to catch. you need to find deeper water or a different lake. set a tipup with a big dead smelt/cisco/any fish on a quick strike rig. if there's pike you will catch. for the perch go to 4-6lb fluoro and a small buckshot, with minnow head or maggots until you catch the first one. then pop an eye out for bait and fill your bucket. sometimes they like jigging, other times deadstick. no steel leaders, no snap swivels just line to lure. things will come together with experience, you're young with lots of years ahead.
one never stops learning when it comes to fishing. or just come to canada and you'll catch anything you want on that daredevle ;D
p.s. find a way to get a cheap flasher.
p.p.s. christmas is coming..
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The perch are there its just all the pike at Braddock that make them hard to get
I'd say then ditch the perch and focus on the pike. As long at they're 24" or bigger they eat terrific! Learn how to clean 'em boneless and you'll be a hero. Wish I had that problem... ;)2
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Good parents you have there young man. One should probably not go on the ice alone at any age but... :whistle:
Never said i was alone
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I make a magic jig that catches all species and more of them than anyone I am fishing with. I have made some for some close friends but we don’t tell anyone about them. We just go into the area and catch all the fish while everyone else stares. To make them EDIT, delete, delete I think I already said too much about it.
There is some great advice given here. Try to hook up with some locals that can show you what they are doing and how it works for them.
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I'd say then ditch the perch and focus on the pike. As long at they're 24" or bigger they eat terrific! Learn how to clean 'em boneless and you'll be a hero. Wish I had that problem... ;)2
Thats what tip ups are for
Im trying to catch perch because a catching nothing is boring and want to catch something in between and b lure in pike actually worked once last year (2028-2019) then every other time we always saw pike where we fished.
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Never said i was alone
I was talking about me 😉