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New York => Ice Fishing New York => Topic started by: hali-man on Nov 06, 2005, 10:48 AM
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The IT is planning another tournament on Silver! I am going to fight it.
It's a small, temperamental lake in my backyard...
http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dfwmr/fish/lakemaps/sillkmap.pdf (http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dfwmr/fish/lakemaps/sillkmap.pdf)
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What is your complaint about the tournament.
I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
My interest is in the future of this small fishery! I was there last year on the day of the tournament and there were 300 professional ice-anglers raping and pillaging her.
Why choose such a small lake in my backyard? Granted, there are plenty of panfish, but there won't be if this continues every year.
I will do everything in my limited power to thwart this. The local economy does not benefit from this event. Silver is in Wyoming Co- the revenue goes to Livingston Co because they have a nicer hotel for the IT groupies to stay in.
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I don’t like tournaments either. I’m a conservationist. If you can get enough support I will help out. I agree a lake like silver is not a place to have big tournament every year.
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You have mail. Silver is to small to support such a event.They will be surpised this year up on Sherman.
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They will be surpised this year up on Sherman.
Funny you mention that, Polar. Shearman Rd has already been posted for the winter.
That's one access point no longer available to the general public because of the ignorance of some...
I don’t like tournaments either. I’m a conservationist. If you can get enough support I will help out. I agree a lake like silver is not a place to have big tournament every year.
It's not that I'm completely against tournaments.
I just think that with all of the hot icefishing lakes we have in this state they could at least change venues from year to year. A lot of lakes not too far from here could handle the pressure much better. I'm thinkin' about one that starts with a C... ;D
Can't get into the link Hali.......firewall shuts it down.....
You need an Adobe reader to open it, Grump.
It's just a map showing how small the lake is.
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well, i wanted to reply to this last night but for some reason i had no links to reply or reply with quote even on iceshanty... but MFF was fine!
anyways... let me start by saying that i have already gone pretty far in trying to fight this.
i have spoke to anyone from the DEC to the local surrounding town officials to the mayor to the state congressman!
i have sent legal form letters to all as well! what i gathered from responses was... no one cares because there is money involved...lol
the reason i got into even trying to attempt to fight city hall so to speak... is because of this. last year the first decision for the "attack" was set for crappie and perch. i thought perch ok, they mass produce like rabbits anyways... but crappie on silver lake? no way man! yes, you could catch some nice crappie there, yes you can catch them through the ice... but the population is not that great and something like a 300 man derby would do great damage to a situation like that. this year, the crappie population has built up a bit, but it is still no "unlimited resource"! well, i was very glad to see that someone got through to the "team" last year and they changed it from perch and crappie to perch and gills... and that is what they kept it at as well for this year!
but silver lake is a small and somewhat fragile resource that cannot handle major, continual pressure like that!
contact your local DEC and they can give you estimated population numbers!
ok, besides the way i (and many others as well) feel about the lake and fish condition... i want to mention the pressure and careless behavior of 300 "attackers"!
i cant say they are all bad, i cant point fingers or name names, but...
that lake was hit hard. lots of fish were taken. besides the fish that were being saught after for the tourney winners, people were also out there to "just fish" as well. besides perch and gills... ALOT of crappie and walleye were taken as well for personal consumption! that is huge pressure for such a small lake!
besides the fish take. they beat the lake up with sleds and wheelers. the lake was unfishable to the regular locals for about a week from all the engine noise and all the tremendous amount of hole drilling! and... they were not the most clean or respectable people either! lots of garbage was scattered throughout the parking lot, and on the ice and lots of others that chose to not use the parking lot, parked on local roads and trampled peoples property for lake access! ok, some poor soul had to go pick up all the trash which is bad enough... but now we as locals have had some of our access point taken away from us because its now posted up! how nice is that?
ok, and besides the fact that no money last year went to the local shop owners of perry and castile.(because they sent everyone to nearby mt. morris for nicer hotel accomodations, so all food,gas and sleeping money was spent there!)... last year they just kind of made the plans and slipped in to the lake unannounced! no preplanning with the local officials or anything was planned so that the community could get better involved as well!
this year, and from what i got out of all the exstensive research i have done, is...
its a hopeless battle to try and end it for this year. palms have already been greased so to speak, meaning that somehow the local officials got involved and the ice team tourney has been paid for by legal permits and such! unfortunatley, the business end still is at a loss though, as all business will be conducted in the mt. morris area. that is the area that the team has posted on the trap attack site for accomodations!
i tried to start a petition, cant do it because all the plans were already in the works and everything was done legal this year. i will definitely get one started right after the tourny this year!
my suggestion to the team would be... if you want NY as one of the "attack" locations, move it to a bigger and more supporting lake. the original first one was being planned for honeoye lake, but on one of a certain ice tem members visits here for seminars, some local offered to take so and so fishing on silver lake. he was hooked on it and decided that is where the tourney was going to be... by the way, the person that turned so and so on to the lake had his palms greased very well too... with alot of new icefishing gear from the sponsers icluding an aqua-view and ice rods..etc. etc...
conesus lake would support thas pressure as well or even seneca lake! there are alot more options out there besides a little "backyard lake" that we as locals so much enjoy but one day because of events like this we will not be able to enjoy anymore!
i think i covered everything... but its kind of hard to concentrate on all topics when im angry!
i want it to be known that i did alot to prevent this with a little help from a few people, but when i realized there wasnt much that could be done, i backed off! however, i will be at the "attack", not to fish or to start trouble and get thrown in jail... but i will be there to observe and hopefully to put a buzz in the right peoples ears that they should try moving on next year and that i will make every effort to put an end to it if it is considered again for next year!
enough said for now from me...
~oak~
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We need a petition now for everyone to sign. Our real strength will come from the silver lake landowners association. I’m surprised the trap attack is willing to come back to this lake again. None of the Finger Lakes would be a good choice for this advent. Oneida lake is the best place
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Jebus, Oak! I knew you would chime in, but I thought this was my rant. LOL :o
I heard you were trying to get a hold of me on Friday.
I think the first thing I'm going to do is get a letter published in the local paper. I have a little clout there.
We may not be able to stop it this year; but we could let them know that they're not welcome here in a civilized, legal way.
Or we could just get arrested. ;)
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I'm probably going to get jumped on for this but please realize I'm trying to keep an open mind about this. I did not fish the tourney last year but did fish that day. We fished off the country club and had a productive day. Can't remember numbers, but I know we caught fish. My observations of the folks fishing the tournament were favorable. I didn't see anyone buzzing the lake on snow machines or quads. Those that were on the move did so at reasonable speeds and kept a distance from other huts. One guy stopped to chat and crept his snowmobile up to about 100 feet and then walked over to say hello. It wasn't Genz, but some other official of the tourney. I agree that the site of so many huts on the ice was concerning. I also fished the following weekend and caught fish (again I don't recall numbers). I really should start keeping a log. I don't think my catch was diminished after the tournament.
In checking their website for the results, I see that 957 fish were weighed in by 92 teams. The 92 place team weighed 2 fish. The limit of fish to be weighed was 15 per 2 man team. It was split between perch and gills with the numbers being, I believe, 8 perch and 7 gills. We are talking about approximately 480 fish of each species. Is that raping the resource? If 10 guys fish the lake on 10 different days and take only 5 perch (sometimes a difficult thing to do on Silver Lake) they have removed as many perch. Is that raping the resource? Is the effect on the resource any different if that number of fish is removed over a 10 week period or in one day? Heck, we could have a WNY get-together and take as many fish and call it fun. If I remember from last year's posts the Sherman Rd access was in real danger of being lost, not because of a tournament, but because local slobs (can't call them fishers) were abusing the privilege.
I'm not trying to stir things up here and as stated earlier am trying to keep an open mind. I want to make a decision here based on fact and not emotion. Whether we end up agreeing or disagreeing guys, I admire you for taking a position and then acting on it and not just hulking around bitc@^ing about it.
Hope to meet you guys out on Silver this year.
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but i will be there to observe and hopefully to put a buzz in the right peoples ears that they should try moving on next year and that i will make every effort to put an end to it if it is considered again for next year!
Don't forget your camera. Pictures might help your cause. Good luck.
Hey Hali-man maybe if you complain about the trap attack on here they will mention your name on the PA system during this year's event like they mentioned mine at the Whitney Point Crappie Derby last year because I was ranting about how the crappie derby has effectively brought enough fishing pressure to the 1200 acre impoundment enough so, that it has wiped out the crappie fishing. The crappie fishing still sucks there like it has for the last 10 years thanks to that particular event being forced on a lake that in no way could withstand thousands of people pounding the crappies year after year. Of course the event is largely designed to serve the interests and fundraising efforts of a particular sportsman's association that sponsors it. Now you have an event called a "Crappie Derby" where most of the participants haven't even caught a damn crappie in years. :cookoo: Call it an ice party or whatever you want but for god's sake please drop the "Crappie" in derby because you folks who have organized that event for years have helped in large part to wipe out the very fish the event is designed around. When will people learn that 1200 acre lakes are NOT big enough to withstand constant fishing pressure especially with fish that are as easy to catch as crappies and the advent of tipdowns. :'( The only hope is reducing the crappie limit to maybe 5 fish instead of 25 which is still too liberal.
slipbob, I fished WP once, and never will again (not on tourney day). We caught one pickeral and one crappie in 10 hours of fishing, and all the locals complained that they had the same luck and blamed the tourney. Same with the Chenango lake perch derby. Too many people for a small lake...and now, not enough fish for fishermen.
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Just wondering, Slipbob, if they limit the number of participants and the catch at the Whitney tourney? Now if they were saying bring in your limit of fish for weigh in I'd be right up front screaming as much as anybody. I don't mean to hijack your thread Hali, but I wonder how the guys who fished the Silver Lake tourney last year feel it was run.
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Don't worry about hijacking, that's why this is a forum!
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...
I know three guys that fished it last year and only one is going to again.
Two are somewhat local and one isn't. Guess who is coming back...
I don't mean to hijack your thread Hali, but I wonder how the guys who fished the Silver Lake tourney last year feel it was run.
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Hali
Count me in. This small body of water can't handle all the pressure it gets from these tourneys. I remember last year when the Attack came here (and they named it right) They were all over that lake and some of them were the most rude people I have ever met. We got buzzed by clowns for weeks while they were there trying to figure out patterns. I remember 1 day I screamed at a kid and his old man about running up to within 20 ft of our hut getting off his sled drilling about 20 hole with his gas auger with only 10" of ice fishing for 5 min then leaving. All like nothing happend or they did nothing wrong. Yeah I know its not my private lake but at least have some common sense for others out there. I truly don't think we can stop it this year but there is nothing in the rules about us being there buzzing the lake with snowmobiles and ATVs. Maybe they might get the hint. Get the bail money together we are going to need it LOL.
Cold Feet
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No disrespect but doesn't that sound like some PETA clown parking on a rural road 200 yards from some guys tree stand blasting his car radio so as to ruin the hunt? I hope ethical outdoors people don't stoop to their tactics.
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Slipbob,
I couldn't agree with you more! In my opnion the derby at WP has
really hurt the fishery. Ask the DEC why the fishing is so poor and
no one there will give you a straight answer.
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Your right Jerry I know it sounds rude and crude but why don't they fish there own home lakes. There are plenty of bigger lakes in NY to fish say Oneida, George, Tupper or even Erie on a good winter. Why pick on a lake 3 miles long. Maybe I am wrong for thinking this way about a lake that I fish mostly every week summer and winter. But the thing is I do give a hoot about conservation and to me these guys come here for a week or two and what has it done for the economy of Perry? I don't see any new hotels going up. Don't take me wrong here, I just love that lake and if it is in the cards for me I want to retire on that lake. All I am thinking about is all our kids, Grandchildren and great Grandchildren. The future should look brighter for them than it does now. 2 wrongs don't make a right but the people running the towns only look for money and I don't think Perry or any other neighboring towns received Millions of revenue off these tourneys. If we could talk to someone who would listen I am all for it. I truly believe the only reason they are fishing this lake is because it is so tough to fish and thats it no other reason. Go to any other lake that gives up fish easily and every one looks like a pro. This is by no means a argument aimed at you Jerry I just needed to vent some frustration.
Cold Feet
PS No way am I a Peta member I do eat meat and fish and love it. :P
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My best friend who fishes Silver Lake 5 days a week from his boat said the perch this year were the largest ever. It goes to show you that you can't take too many perch out of a Lake. The biomass remains the same, a lot of stunted little ones or some big ones. The walleye survival goes up when the little perch aren't foraging on the walleye fry.
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My best friend who fishes Silver Lake 5 days a week from his boat said the perch this year were the largest ever. It goes to show you that you can't take too many perch out of a Lake.
Where is the logic in that statement?
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If these guys are such great fishermen then why not challenge themselves and pick a different body of water every year? In my opinion all tourneys should be banned, hard or soft water.
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Jerry meant no harm about his peta statement. He was just trying to explain to the board that this is the way they do business out there. I live in Wyoming County; This County is spending a lot of money on advertisement on trying to draw some tourist money in here. In the last 10 yrs this county has lost a lot of jobs. The village of Perry is the hardest hit by it. Somebody in the local government is trying to bring in some outside money. If you look around ny state. The Finger Lakes region does an excellent job on drawing outside money in to that part of ny. They have tournaments on all there lakes and it does draw a lot of money to that region. You cant please everybody. My opinion, somebody in the county government brought this tournament here. I don’t think the trap attack cares less if we want them or not. If they feel they are not welcome they will pack up and leave. Lets get the petition started now. Present it to the Wyoming county government. The more we talk about it here the bigger the can of worms will get and silver lake will go to the ones that want the money. When the lake is fished out they will give it back to us and we can fish an empty lake. Lets think about the future of the lake. Not the short term. If we keep taking out the breeders we wont have a fishery left.
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After considerable reflection about last years tourney, I have to agree with Jerry. Complex Simon and I fished the day before and everyone that we ran into were very courteous and friendly. The activities on Shearman road that day were comparable to any normal ice fishing weekend regarding parking. In fact, with the rules pertaining to pre-check in of equipment, I would assume most tourney participants left from the state boat launch. I appreciate that the "Trap" changed their targeted species from Crappie to bluegill/sunfish as the lather repopulate more quickly. The challenge of a known tough lake makes Silver a prime destination lake versus any other fingerlake in the area.
The majority of Wyoming county is farm/agriculture and will never sustain economic benefit from tourism. What attractions would generate interest in the county...Letchworth and the "Trap" tournament. Aside from the local restaurants [and state park officials, lets not forget they charged people to enter the launch] receiving increased business from ice fishermen coming directly off the ice, Perry should not expect economic benefits from the tourney. At the very least, the sport of ice fishing get a shot in the arm from all the programs geared for visitors at the weigh-in station.
Finally, it might be viewed as hypocritical by some that locals are complaining about fish taken. I know that I harvested my fair share of crappie and perch last winter, and by the pictures and messages posted on the Silver forum, so did most of the other locals. If you add up the number of fish we kept and compare it to that of the tournament totals...I think it's fair to say we "damage" the lake more throughout the year then one tournament can in a single day.
I would DEFINITELY like to see a change in venue so Silver Lake does not become the next Whitney Point, but a few years of tourney pressure won't turn the lake into the Dead Sea.
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IR- That was a very thoughtful and intelligent response to this issue. I remember speaking to you (through IS) last year. As previously stated- I am not trying to influence anyone's opinion on this subject, only to state mine and do what I can.
...The majority of Wyoming county is farm/agriculture and will never sustain economic benefit from tourism. What attractions would generate interest in the county...Letchworth and the "Trap" tournament. Aside from the local restaurants [and state park officials, lets not forget they charged people to enter the launch] receiving increased business from ice fishermen coming directly off the ice, Perry should not expect economic benefits from the tourney...
There is NO financial gain for our county or Perry, only the loss of our resources.
The state fees collected from the launch do not even come close to breaking even anually. I know this for a fact
Finally, it might be viewed as hypocritical by some that locals are complaining about fish taken.
Call me what you will- I am not a hypocrite. The amount of fish weighed does not reflect the impact on the fishery.
The more we talk about it here the bigger the can of worms will get and silver lake will go to the ones that want the money. When the lake is fished out they will give it back to us and we can fish an empty lake. Lets think about the future of the lake. Not the short term. If we keep taking out the breeders we wont have a fishery left.
Thank You!!!
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Please don't feel like I was directing an insult at the local fishermen (of which I am certainly one...I live on the lake and I DO take my share of fish for consumption). I was only trying to approach the subject from an objective stand point. I would be very supportive of a petition encouraging the rotation of WNY lakes for the Trap. The media generated by such an event only enhances the the sport of ice fishing, so I would be disappointed if the tourney was moved out of state.
FYI, based upon information compiled by the Silver lake institute during 2003, their annual newsletter indicated that the Silver lake fishery was more healthy then most of the fingerlakes. The DEC shock counts were higher per hour for most species of fish on Silver then a majority of the surrounding lakes. I did not receive the 2004 newsletter, but in my opinion, conditions have not changed drastically enough over the past year.
Hali...I understand your reasoning and I apologize if you felt I was attempting to persuade you. ;D
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Hali...I understand your reasoning and I apologize if you felt I was attempting to persuade you. ;D
No need to apologize- It's all good. Hopefully we can meet on the ice this year.
Look for my letter in the Herald next week...
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a lot of guys i fish with and myself personally fish that lake. that lake is just too small to have that big of a tourny on it. as far as i c it silver gets enough pressure on it as it. why cant they just move it to a bigger lake. the can handel the fishing pressure. like chautauqua.
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Well I apologize to any one here if I offended them. Jerry no disrespect to you the peta statement was in total jest. Here is the way I see this thing happening to Silver. Go look into the posts the last few years about Bear, or Chautauqua, or even the chain of lakes Cassadaga. Not a lot has been written about the Amish who fish those lakes until they get there fill of Crappies. With most of us we take some and leave some for another day. Or the Native Americans who can do as they please on there property. It all hurts a echo system. So everyone says its ok to have the Attack here again and they will and so they only take a few fish and they will. But how about the whole month long time they are fishing this lake. Do they take fish you bet they do. and not just 6 or 12 If they get into them don't think they don't take a limit if they can you bet cha they will. I don't want anyones kids having to grow up having to say they fish in a put and take lake. Will the attack clean out Silver highly doubtfull but it does add more pressure to that body of water to be able to self sustain itself. And to end this It is not the Attack itself that hurts Silver its the Publicity it receives from being in the paper, Magazines and on TV. Making this lake Famous will kill it like it did many others. Devils Lake is one example. Still has some big Perch in it but locals see it declining year by year. Thats the whole thing that bugs me.
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Making this lake Famous will kill it like it did many others.
Amen! :angel
Anyone else have something to say?
That is the pointed sentence right there.
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all i have to say is this is one of my good fishing biddies home lake and i will help u out with anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Chautauqua wont work, some years it doesn't freeze that good until real late, and to have that many people going out there it would more than likely turn into one big swimming pool :tipup: but a chautauqua sized lake would be better than a silver sized lake. either way ill be at the same place as i was last year for the attack, case lake :tipup:
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Cold feet,
I have to agree with you about all the good publicity that Silver receives,
the more it gets, the more fishing pressure it will get. I hate to "beat a drum", but beware, you people that fish Silver,
Whitney Point was publicied in all the magazines, papers, etc. For a few
years it was great, but after a few years the pressure took it toll. Stop it before
it's too late.
MY RANT, JUST HAD TO GET IT OFF MY CHEST.
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good point jay. last year was a bad year for ice on chautauqua. and i will prob be on quaker with u
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If we were looking for new water to fish as a group and I said I knew of a place we could go and average
just about 1 fish every 2 hours per guy would you flock to that lake. If it was any driving distance you would probably think I'm nuts and find something better, closer. Well those are the tourney results for last year guys. Heck, we all know a lot of locals who won't fish Silver because that is the catch rate and we all know it's not for a lack of fish. Or at least those of us with cameras know that we see perch all day and if we can entice one in a hundred to bite we're doing OK. I know once in a while it gets better than that, but you know those gosh darn Silver Lake perch are more finicky than perch in most waters. Those guys who travel the circuit are coming here from great distances to average less than a half fish per hour. It can't be they are coming because they love to catch fish. They're coming because they love fishing and we all know the difference. As far as folks who fished it last year and are not this year I wonder what the real reason is. Could it be they didn't catch enough fish to make it worth their while and it's not an environmental issue at all?
I'm also a Wyoming County guy, but I don't know what Perry really has to offer. Guys coming from out of the area aren't going to dump their money on the ice and wait around for Perry businesses to come out on the ice and scoop it up. I understand the one motel in Perry burned last year prior to the tourney. I was told that when I tried to get a name and number to post on the IceTeam site. Whether it has been rebuilt or not I don't know, but if it was and I were running it I would have my name all over their site and offering rates to lure them in. Kinda like fishing Huh? If I had a pizza joint in Perry I would do anything I could to get their business. Fliers on windshields at the state launch for starters. Heck with today's technology you could offer pizza delivery to any access point on the lake or if equipped with GPS, cell phone or two way and a quad, you could deliver right to a shanty. Cripe there's even a guy on Simcoe who drives his quad around with a rack on the back selling snacks. (Check the legality of that before setting your quad up for business) The point is that just because a crowd comes to town doesn't mean they're going to drop their change there. You have to work at getting it and that usually means doing something creative to get their attention. Does Perry have a Chamber of Commerce or business association? If so and they haven't contacted IceTeam they've dropped the ball.
I can't argue with the idea of switching site on a yearly basis. But you know what? If they moved it to Honeoye there would be some locals who would have their own "Rant", or Chautauqua, or Oneida, or Canindaigua (Sp?) blah blah, blah blah, blah blah. It's kinda like a a garbage dump, or the wind turbines - They are good, but NOT IN MY BACKYARD!!!
Hey guys, as I see it no apologies are necessary on this thread. This is how to get things done. We obviously have some differing opinions here and good healthy dialog is the way to work through it - not stooping to PETA tactics and disrupting somebody in persuit of something legal. Because it is legal does that make it right or good? Not necessarily, and even though I have registered for the tourney you guys have got me thinking about this and its impact. I'm still not convinced it is harmful, however. If I can be convinced before tourney time I will not fish it and will have to eat my $110 fee. Sometimes, guys we just have to agree to disagree. If it ends up that way I sure hope we can pull up a couple of buckets, sit side by side, enjoy some good conversation and a drink or two and jig up a couple Silver Lake perch together.
P.S.
Apparently nobody has checked my figures or they would have been challenged. My error was that I only counted 5 teams entering 11 fish when in fact there were 11 teams. That makes the total fish entered as 1012 for 150 teams of 2 people each. But that still averages a little less than one fish (half perch, half gills) per 2 hours fishing per man.
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O.k. seen some very valid points, hopefully some of these points can be addressed THIS YEAR before the "ATTACK".
Promoters of the event should have the following responsibilities.
* Inform contestants of legal access points- maybe that's why some much ATV traffic?
* dispense and collect trash cans in the previous mentioned sites (promoter and local municipality responsibility).
* Unsafe operation of transportation to be reported and promoter to be held responsible.
* disqualification on any infraction (DEC and State and promoters).
* Restocking program out of the purse money, crappie, perch and walleye (PROMOTERS and state).
These are reasonable concerns of the community and stakeholders in the lake.
P.S. The access has been a problem there because of the local slobs, seen it before and I'm ashamed to be a ice fishermen put into the same category.
Finally, lets not forget they are fishermen and we are fishermen, a common thread which should unite us, not separate us. Work it out in a civil manner, it would be for the best.
Mike you make some good points, be clever in your presentation of it and to the right people. The homeowners association would be a good start, local gov. and media.
Silver is not my primary lake, but I respect the ideas and opinion of my peers.
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We need a 10mph speed limit for all ATVs and snowmobiles. All fish entered should be alive and released back to the lake. If you should catch a real trophy you can have it mounted. The 3 day warm up, all fish must be released back to the lake.
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Buckski, I think there is so much motorized traffic on the lake on tourney day because nearly all if not all contestants enter the ice at the state launch. This is where the IceTeam guys check buckets and shanties before the entrants get on the ice. They start the check early in the AM, but you can't start fishing till 8AM. They have guys patrolling the ice to make sure guys don't have their lines in the water early.
I don't see how the promoter can be held accountable for unsafe operation unless of course one of them is the accused. I alone am responsible for my actions. However if they don't enforce their own rules about following state laws, and it runs rampent, then they should not be given permission to hold another event. Does any one know if they even need a permit to hold such an event?
The DEC was very present last year and hopefully will be again this year.
I remember reading on the IceTeam site last year that some visitors were cited for various infractions mostly registration and insurance. I did see one ECO at a snowmobile on the side on West Lake Rd as it was being loaded on a flatbed. RUMOR had it that they wouldn't let the guy drive another couple hundred yards to his trailer when he was cited and had to pay the flatbed fees as well as the tickets. I never confirmed that story so take it for what it is.
A 10 mph limit would be hard to enforce. I would just hope that any officer or tourney official who witnessed improper or reckless operation would persue that offense. I would also hope that ANY person witnessing such things would make an attempt to get numbers or a good description and pass that info on to the proper authority.
While I did not see a disqualification clause in the rules, it does state that all state laws and tourney rules must be followed. It says ALL state laws, not just conservation laws. I would hope any infractions would result in disqualification. I will post that question on their site and share their response.
I would hope that all persons on the ice take everything off the ice that they take on. I know that doesn't happen, however so would like to see tourney guys cruise the ice afterwords and clear it of any garbage they find. If my son's snow machine is available to use and ice conditions are safe, I would volunteer to be part of that team.
I like the idea of them giving something back to the lake perhaps in the form a restocking or some other way. They do give something back in the form of a heck of a good introduction to ice fishing for kids on the Saturday before the tourney. They teach the basics and have a tackle give away. The kids get on the ice and get a look at the various shanties, electronics and augers and some of it is hands on. My grandson attended it last year with his dad and they were impressed. Now I know it can be argued that this is just a way to promote the products of their sponsors, but it is a good thing none-the-less.
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I posted the rules question and this was the reply:
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Jerry
Yes if you get stopped by DNR or any officer while you are in the contest you are DQed. They said this at the New York tournament last year as they had some officers at the rules meeting talking about speeding ,Helmets, rideing 2 people on 1 person machines. If you got stoppedand ticketed you are DQed.
Jerry you can't even ride a machine across the lake the morning of the Trap Attack before it starts. If anyone lives on the lake they have to drive around to the starting point(launch ramp) but not by going on the ice.
Comeing in with to many fish is a DQ as is bringing in the wrong species.
Bob Cunningham
I'm sure the riding across the lake the AM of the event is referring to anyone who lives on the lake and is fishing the tournament.
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i think the best way to get to them would be to stop buying ice team products...if its all about money. ive never fished silver, but i agree that conesus seems to be a better choice (more space to fish, able to get away from the crowds). i also agree that crowds bring trash, nothing gets under my skin more than that, people are very inconsiderate. thats all.
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Alive!!!????!!!!
When ice fishing?????
Mac, considering only 15 fish are kept and weighed this would not be a very difficult proposition. Contestants would have to rearrange their sleds to accommodate a 20+ quart cooler. Filled with ice water (it slows metabolism, breathing rate, and it's what the fish are currently living) and a few aeration pellets would easily keep 15 fish alive for the duration of the contest. Besides, it would allow for teams to cull their catch and enter their 15 largest fish.
It's with the publicity from the contest and all the yahoos from Bumfrap Egypt that decide to try this famous Sliver Lake.
Let the yahoos come, from Canada and Mexico and wherever else they might reside. Based on a brief review of the results of the tourney from last year, in my opinion, the pros did not remove a large quantity of breeder fish. If the pros can't do it, then the yahoos who come will curse the lake as impossible to fish. I fish hard to catch a half dozen or so "keeper" fish over 10 inches...I'm definitely no pro, but I fish almost every weekend.
a lot of guys i fish with and myself personally fish that lake. that lake is just too small to have that big of a tourny on it. as far as i c it silver gets enough pressure on it as it. why cant they just move it to a bigger lake. the can handel the fishing pressure. like chautauqua.
The size of the lake is ideal from a promoter's standpoint. On larger lakes, TI creates "boundaries" that contestants cannot exceed. With smaller bodies of water [like Silver], land acts as a natural boundary. Teams have access to the entire lake, not an area created by an invisible boundary.
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I probally shouldn't chime in, but being an IceShanty regular from PA, who enjoys many aspects of the sport, I feel obligated.
Open water or hard water............Tourn aments are always going to be controversial.
NY imposes a 50 fish limit on panfish, the Tournament imposes a 15 fish limit. Why not work to get the states daily limit lowered, if you are worried about too many fish being caught? Twenty local fishermen can keep 1000 fish in one day ??? ??? Twenty tournament anglers can keep 300 ;D ;D
10 mph speed limit for ATV's?????........100% for it, I think almost all ice fishermen would be for this. The two kids that kept whizzing by me at 60mph last year, were not part of the tournament crowd.
No financial impact for Perry??..........Try to get a motel/hotel room for that weekend. Ask the hotel/motel owner how many rooms they had available for that weekend two years ago. Same goes for Pizza shops, Bait shops, Restaurants, etc.
The six pack of empty beer bottles, two empty propane tanks and the empty bait containers I picked up last year were not left by tournament anglers. I asked the drunks, and got flipped off in the process.
There are good guys and bad guys. Sad to say, but that is just the way it is.
To go with this "not in my backyard thing" seems flawed to me. But, in all fairness, it is not my backyard and it is yours.
Just seems to me that first and foremost we are all fishermen, and should try to get along.
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I can not believe that this thread made it to three pages. This site is supposed to be positive for the sport of ice fishing. All of this negativity is really boiling my blood. I am firm believer in the fact that nobody owns the water or the woods. They are here for all to enjoy. Not just someone who lives on the lake. Sure, there are respect issues like not hunting in a tree next to a guy in his tree stand or drilling a hole next to another fisherman, or zipping by a fisherman with your boat that need to obided by. It is these negative mentalities that are the reasons for everyone posting their woods and restricting access to fishing holes through "their turf." Maybe everyone should keep fisherman out of their lakes and the only ones who can enjoy them must be locals. I can read the headlines now, "American's no longer allowed on Simcoe as they may catch too many fish." What a shame a world like that would be. I believe topics like that have started a few wars. I wish people would promote the finger lakes a little more. I wish everyone who loves fishing could experience them. Not to mention, boost our economy by staying in hotels, shopping, eating out, etc. I pray that guests on this site do not view this thread and think of us as a selfish group. I hope they will not as this is the first poor thread I have seen in 6 years. :(
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I can not believe that this thread made it to three pages. This site is supposed to be positive for the sport of ice fishing. All of this negativity is really boiling my blood. I am firm believer in the fact that nobody owns the water or the woods. They are here for all to enjoy. Not just someone who lives on the lake. Sure, there are respect issues like not hunting in a tree next to a guy in his tree stand or drilling a hole next to another fisherman, or zipping by a fisherman with your boat that need to obided by. It is these negative mentalities that are the reasons for everyone posting their woods and restricting access to fishing holes through "their turf." Maybe everyone should keep fisherman out of their lakes and the only ones who can enjoy them must be locals. I can read the headlines now, "American's no longer allowed on Simcoe as they may catch too many fish." What a shame a world like that would be. I believe topics like that have started a few wars. I wish people would promote the finger lakes a little more. I wish everyone who loves fishing could experience them. Not to mention, boost our economy by staying in hotels, shopping, eating out, etc. I pray that guests on this site do not view this thread and think of us as a selfish group. I hope they will not as this is the first poor thread I have seen in 6 years. :(
I have to disagree with what you are saying. It is easy to overfish a lake via tournaments - try catching a limit of crappies on Whitney Point where a yearly tourney has RUINED the fishing quality in that lake, or a limit of perch on Chenango Lake, which isn't as bad, but still is no where near what it was. Heck, hardly any perch were caught there last year at the tourney. This thread is not about not allowing 'people' to fish a lake - it is about overfishing a lake with a yearly tourney (and all of the pre-tourney fishing by participants), plus all of the 'extra' fishermen that are drawn there by the publicity. And, sometimes threads like these are good for fishing and fishermen, as they allow differing opinions to be stated and read, and we all learn from it. I think it would be a lot different if Silver was on a 5 year cycle with 4 other lakes, or a similar situation.
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And, sometimes threads like these are good for fishing and fishermen, as they allow differing opinions to be stated and read, and we all learn from it.
This is after all a forum!
No financial impact for Perry??..........Try to get a motel/hotel room for that weekend. Ask the hotel/motel owner how many rooms they had available for that weekend two years ago. Same goes for Pizza shops, Bait shops, Restaurants, etc.
Ever been to Perry, Byron? We don't have any hotels! The out-of town participants stay in a different county/town, eat their meals there, and gas up there before heading home.
Granted, there may be more pizza sold, but the impact does not justify it. I have personally spoken with some local business owners and with two exceptions there wasn't a significant increase in sales.
My purpose in starting this thread was not to cause division among our ranks.
It was simply to state my opinion and let others know that some of us don't like it.
And if you don't think the IT is reading these words then you are mistaken.
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hali-man,
To be honest, I'm not sure. I have eaten at the Lumber Yard? And you are right, I generally stay in one of the surrounding towns ( construction traffic in Mt Morris was terrible this summer ) I found Silver lake a few years ago, sorta by mistake, and keep going back.
We all have views on how we think things should be. And best of all, we are allowed to have those views.
I'm done..........
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I have to disagree with FingerLakes Fisher about this being a negative thread. In supporting the tournament and defending it with facts I haven't felt the least bit of animosity from those who feel differently. In fact I think this is a very positive thread in that we are discussing our differences of opinions in a very civil manner.
Mac, That's 300 people fishing the event - 150 teams of 2 people each. The 1012 was the number of fish they weighed last year.
The rules do say that you must keep your catch alive in a bucket half full of water. This is so that you can cull your catch by releasing your smaller fish. Buckets and shanties are inspected before entrants can get on the ice to lessen the likelyhood of cheating. They have officials on the ice checking teams continually.
I inquired on their site as to whether or not fish are released back into the lake. The response was that some go home for a meal, some are donated to local agencies (food pantries) according to prior arrangements and some are released. The person who answered my question did emphasize the modest limits imposed for the tourney compared to the legal NYS limits.
I asked if anyone cruises the lake afterwards to pick up any trash they might find and the author of that reply said he personally did that last year. Remember there are a lot more fishing the lake that day than tournament members and because you see a propane bottle on the ice the next day doesn't mean it is from the tourney.
I was also told that you would be disqualified for as little as a parking violation. That's how strictly they enforce their rules.
Again, as far as Perry businesses making money off it, they have to go out and get it. Did any of them do that last year?
I posed the question earlier in this thread about the Whitney Point tourney, but haven's gotten an answer. Is there a limit of fish you can possess - or can you catch your limit of crappies and enter only the largest few. Do you have to keep your catch alive so that smaller fish can be culled and released? If they fish that tourney under different rules than it is like comparing apples to oranges.
I really hope those of you who think this is hurtful to the lake come out and fish on tourney day (not as entrants) and observe the whole process and re think the thing. Maybe you will change your opinion and maybe not. I'm going to fish it as an entrant and will still rethink my position after. If I see an unruly event and think this will hurt the future of Silver Lake I will most certainly get on here and let you know. These guys are very proud of what they believe is one of the best run and most ethical tournaments going.
Hali, thanks for your "Rant". This has really gotten some good dialog going.
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I posed the question earlier in this thread about the Whitney Point tourney, but haven's gotten an answer. Is there a limit of fish you can possess - or can you catch your limit of crappies and enter only the largest few. Do you have to keep your catch alive so that smaller fish can be culled and released? If they fish that tourney under different rules than it is like comparing apples to oranges.
http://www.crappiederby.com/ Don't have time to look for info, but here is the site that might help (Got 3 days of deer hunting!) See ya'll on Monday!!
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Well I will say couple more things about this. I want to say that for me I am not saying that the fisherman in these tourneys are slobs or fish pigs. What I see is they love the sport of fishing like the rest of us. And a few who do travel a long distance to fish these tourneys are real diehards. What I am trying to get at is Maybe the way these should be run is in secrecy such as; If you want to fish a event you will have to join ALL events or front the money to fish ALL even though you fish say at Silver. NO PUBLICITY IN ANY WAYS SHAPE OR FORM. You will receive a packet of where and what day the tourney is to be held 1 week in advance of tourney. If you have other plans SO WHAT. NO PUBLIC WEIGH IN. Only members are to attend and weights will not be for public viewing. After the event NO PUBLICITY about the fishing or whatever else you want to talk about. Just keep it simple NO NAME DROPPING OF ANY BODY OF WATER TO BE FISHED OR WAS FISHED. They have rules to follow during the event so why not add a few more for both pre event and post event. I am not trying to drive any tourney off any body of water but still if you look into last years posts here I'll bet Silver had one of the most read and the most questions asked about it prior to the TA Tourney. After the tourney very little was posted about it and why is that because everyone wanted to pick the locals about it. I myself had a few Emails about where and how to fish it.
My response to all were go find out for yourself. I am not a man who will give out information for some guy who might cash in on my hard work. Although again I will just about tell anyone out there if they are having problems catching fish how to do it or share some jigs with that person either. Genz and a few others go around giving seminars to people who want to catch fish and thats great but putting ALL the lakes that are to be fished by the TA in a magazine for all the world to see I think is exploiting those bodies of water. Just my opinion and I feel strong about it.
Cold Feet
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Ice Team runs a respectable Tournament. They care about the resource they are using. There are certain rules, as mentioned earlier, that prohibit over harvesting. THEY ARE ETHICAL :%$#!:
I am from NY and respect my resources, but if you look back to last year on the NY reports and conditions, you will find that Silver was one of the most active lakes if not THE most active. If you want to keep "your lake" from being exploited, then stop bragging about it.
Or is that another thread ::)
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Thanks for that info Slipbob and the address Ol Crawdad. From what I see on their site they have had up to 8000 people on the ice fishing it. Now Hali and others, That's raping the resource. I'm sure there is a way for them to run a fun tourney and not exlploit the water. They might be a sportsman's club but not conservation minded.
I really have to say I respect you guys who have posted. We obviously feel differently about things but have treated one another with respect. I'm impressed.
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Ice Team runs a respectable Tournament. They care about the resource they are using. There are certain rules, as mentioned earlier, that prohibit over harvesting. THEY ARE ETHICAL :%$#!:
I am from NY and respect my resources, but if you look back to last year on the NY reports and conditions, you will find that Silver was one of the most active lakes if not THE most active. If you want to keep "your lake" from being exploited, then stop bragging about it.
Or is that another thread ::)
was the thread one of the most popular because all the locals where bragging about it or because all the publicity of the lake had non-locals fishing there and bragging about it? what came first? the chicken or the egg? who knows.
also i have never been to the trap attack but from what i hear from locals and others who have been, there is a very thin line at the attack between whats legal and whats ethical.
im not from perry but have been with friends from here and for work and if the town of perry needs to go out and get the business it may be tough, they really have no business.
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I think August West is referring to the number of posts on the Silver Lake thread. It gets heavy reporting on both this board and MFF. I don't think those posts are bragging about the lake, they're just reports of that day's outings. And lets face it, those posts don't talk about catching fish in big enough numbers that would cause someone to drive from much of a distance to fish it. Hali posts on just about every outing he has on the lake - good results or bad. They certainly weren't done in a bragging manner. I appreciate his reports. I don't fish it nearly as much, in fact hardly at all this summer as I was extremely tied up with my business. I think the Trap Attackers report on the IceTeam site and I didn't read anything there last year about the terrific fishing on Silver. I did read a lot of favorable comments about the beauty of the area, and the friendliness of the people. All of WNY needs these things said on forums that are read by thousands
and thousands. Sure beats the reporting of blizzards and ice storms that they usually associate with our area.
I would like specifics about the things that are on the line between legal and ethical rather than heresay. In reply to one question I posed on the IceTeam site I was told that if anyone , contestant or not, sees anything unethical or illegal they want to know about it so it can be dealt with.
I don't know Perry either, Arch, but if they have no motels or other services to offer than how can anyone expect Perry businesses to benefit financially or be upset if money isn't dropped there. By the way does anyone know if that motel that burned last year was rebuilt? If it was get me a name and phone number and I'll contact them about their facilities and post something about it on IceTeam's site. I would love to see the immediate area benefit more financially.
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Jerry,
Have been following your posts here and there, good points all around.
I think the motel that burned down last year was the Park Lake Motel (585) 237 3654.
I stayed there a week before the TA last year, when I pulled into the motel, they had the office set up in the parking lot. A snow covered desk, chairs and a bell.
The lady explained that they had a fire, she could give me a room but it might smell like smoke. I asked her how much and she said, would twenty bucks be fair?? I was the only one there for two nights. It's my understanding that the place is now in the process of being sold.
See you in NY
Byron
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Thanks Byron, I'll jingle up that number and see if they are still in business.
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I can go check it out for ya. It's a block from my house and I haven't seen any activity there in a long time.
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Thanks, Hali. If they are open I'd like to get some info so I can post it on the Ice Team's site.
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Jerry
I talked to the lady several nights ago, they are accepting reservations for the TA. One problem is that the parking lot is small, hard to maneuver in with a trailer.
Several weeks after signing up for an event, you should get an info pack from the Wyoming dept. of tourism that lists all the area motels. We'll be staying at the East hill motel in Warsaw.
Byron
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I like the idea of the events coming to a lake once. Or put the event on a big body of water like Irondequoit Bay or Sodus Bay. These bays are connected to the BIG lake and will be able to handle the pressure. I do not fish Silver Lake regularly but, I agree that the lake is too small to handle all of that pressure. The only downfall I see about using I-bay or Sodus are years that you do not get good ice. If you do not have good ice, no tourney, plain and simple. I hope I did not anger anyone this is just my opinion.
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Who can get angry for someone stating their opinion if it's done in a civil manner. I see this is your 5th post. Welcome, enjoy and learn.
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First let me start by saying that I just registered for this message board after reading every post regarding this thread. I then felt obligated to put my 2 cents in.
This will be my 5th year fishing the Trap Attacks and I fish three or more events each season. What I have learned about Ice Team and the vast majority of its competitors is that they are a first rate group of fishermen and citizens. Not only do they know how to catch fish, but they display a high level of professionalism and sportsmanship. This is especially true of the teams that travel, because they truly commit all of their resources to the sport. Most of us are exceedingly conscious of the fact that we are only guests on all of these bodies of water and conduct ourselves accordingly.
For those of you that were actually out on the ice with us for pre-fish and the event itself know full well that the numbers of fish that are caught and kept is truly very small. During the pre-fish, the goal is not to catch fish, but to find them and pattern them. This usually entails lots of time looking at either a flasher or underwater camera and not actually catching fish. We do try different baits and presentations during the pre-fish, but that is done very sparingly. After all, why would we want to catch and “sting” fish that could win the tournament for us…Most of us are well beyond the phase of showing off to our buddies how many fish we can catch. The weigh-in is what establishes the pecking order amongst our rank and file. And as has been already calculated, that equates to a very small number of fish. Our tournaments primarily target pan fish and that’s not because we can’t catch bass, walleye or other game fish. It’s because these species are much more prolific than most game fish and the populations can generally tolerate an increase in pressure. It is also easier to keep smaller fish alive and release them unharmed. However, I will be first to admit that even though fish are living, doesn’t mean that they will release after being kept in a cooler or bucket for several hours. Temperature shock is the big problem, as lake water is generally 39 degrees at the bottom and progressively colder as you move up the water column. On most winter days, it is impossible to even keep water in a cooler from dropping several degrees and that’s all that it takes to temperature shock most fish. We don’t have heated live well technology yet, but who knows…
Someone mentioned “all of the articles” that are written about the lakes that have Trap Attacks cause an increase in the fishing pressure. They must be reading different publications than I do, because all of the articles that I’ve ever seen are written by Ice Team staff to lead into and/or report on the results of an event and they are only in our publication or website. That’s hardly a mass mailing of publicity. There may be articles written locally about the events, but the readership would generally only be the local population anyway. Anyone that knows anything about our events would also know that we don’t select lakes based on outstanding fishing. There are actually much more important factors than that like, access, local government support, adequate quality lodging and a good host resource like a tackle store. Now I’m not going to say that pressure doesn’t increase directly after one of our events. I’m sure that it does, simply because we drill tons of holes over productive locations and make access easy for a very short period of time. I call it scavenging and I know it happens. However, it is very short lived and usually only the local fisherman that take part. Once the holes refreeze and/or are covered up by snow the scavenging ends and pressure goes back to normal.
I guess I was a little shocked to read some of the unfounded statements that were being made on this thread. But as it is in most situations very passionate but often misinformed people tend to make the most noise. I guess if I was a property owner on a good fishing lake with public access I would do or say whatever I thought it would take to keep a tournament off my lake too…NOT! I would be spending my time learning from the participants and maybe sink a crib or two, so that I actually had an edge for next year’s event.
My wife, my son and I are very much looking forward to visiting to you again this year and sharing your enjoyment of Silver Lake. We enjoyed your hospitality last year hope to receive the same again this year. We’ll do our best to be good ambassadors of the sport and hope that you will too.
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Little John
So as your second last paragraph states You are there for the money. "Learn from the pros to maybe gain an edge for the tourney the next year." I personally don't fish for money I fish for fun Period! Why does fishing have to be for money? And furthermore if you ask a contestant during the pre fish what he was catching fish on you would get a ansewer far from the truth. If all of your time here was spent by members teaching parents and kids The How To's of fishing for Fun instead of showing how money can be made I might think a little diffrent. Hardly any members knew of this lake previous of the tourney and I am sure that for the most fewer would even come here just to fish it for fun no money involved. I just firmly believe all what has been said by IT or TA members who joined this site to post on this thread in the last month is to benefit or justify their own cause. Any article written about any body of water that is fished IS public knowledge its on the Web right? And also in local papers. Just my .02
Cold Feet
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Little John
I just firmly believe all what has been said by IT or TA members who joined this site to post on this thread in the last month is to benefit or justify their own cause.
This statement led me to believe that many IT or TA guys jumped over here to "benefit or justify their cause." I read back through the thread and found that number to be 1 - Little John. Michigander is an active poster on the IT site, but registered for this site in August of '03. All others are either fairly regular posters to this site or are newbies but certainly didn't jump on here to champion the cause of IceTeam.
I agree with your argument that once the results or an article is posted on their website it is public knowledge.
I just do not believe a lake that can "boast" an average of 2 perch per hour by tournament anglers is going to draw a crowd of anglers from any distance no matter how much publicity you give it.
Come out to the lake Saturday and observe the Kids Clinic. As I said before, my 12 yr. old grandson, a seasoned veteran, attended last year along with a friend who had never been on the ice. Both had a great time with hands on demonstrations. I would also encourage you to be on the lake Sunday and observe the tournament and see what these folks are like. I'm sure you will find them to be like most other ice anglers - friendly, courteous, environmentally conscious, and eager to learn and share. In that they are like others, I'm sure that if you asked anyone what or where they had success some would give truthful info, some would lie and some would be so vague that you might as well have not asked. I've seen guys at the dock with some nice fish and when I asked where they got them they replied, "In the water."
Could have said "North end" or maybe "12 feet" but "In the water?" Cripes I didn't ask for waypoints.
Fishing doesn't have to be for money - neither does card playing. Some just seem to enjoy the extra excitement it puts in the sport knowing that the fish that is hitting ever so lightly could be the fish that wins you some $$$$. There may be a philosophical difference between a tournament angler and an angler who believes fishing for money is wrong. Who is right? They both are if they apply their belief to their own life. BUT - They both have the responsibility to make sure their angling preferences do not put the hurt on the resource and their persuit of fish is within the law. No one has convinced me yet that the TA puts the hurt on Silver Lake. Might be a little inconvenience for the local guys for a couple days, but that's not putting the hurt on the lake.
These guys want to make sure they put on a LEGAL and ETHICAL tournament. You might say there is no such thing as an ethical tournament. That is your opinion based on your philosophy and I respect that and wouldn't expect you to violate your principles. I would invite all who object to this tournament to come out to the lake and observe. Come and see first hand and then you will not have to rely on heresay. You will either be able to lay your fears to rest, or you will have facts to argue against bringing the TA back in '07.
BTW - Can anyone tell me if there is a food bank in Perry and if so a contact name and number? PM me if you'd rather.
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Jerry
I have read many of your posts from the past and will say to you I hope to meet you some day on the ice! You have a very open mind and that is what its about in my book. IT IS NOT a worry to me that the tourney is run ethical I am sure it is. Sure others who have come to this site gave input to icefishing and thats why its here as a tool of information to help teach the members here or any other site the HOW TOs. I also will say that I am sure every member of the tourney fishes ethical too. IT IS NOT the amt. of fish caught at the tourney that bothers me I will say this again Its making competition out of a sport that was to be relaxing kids see things like this and even adults and think that Wow I can make money at fishing. Teach the up and comers of the sport how to fish, Don't do it for money. If I saw 5,000 kids on Silver all being shown the ways of fishing by 5,000 tourney members. I would love it. Jerry I have total respect for you and your comments here and 1 day I hope to spend some time with you out on Silver. We can talk all day about each others feelings on this and even ways to catch those Silver Perch. The opinions I express are mine alone, I just feel strongly against a group of people comming to a lake to fish for money.
Cold Feet
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Cold Feet,
I look forward to that day. Thanks.
Jerry
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The opinions I express are mine alone, I just feel strongly against a group of people comming to a lake to fish for money.
The are NOT totally yours alone!! ;)
Bussman
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These fishing tournaments are just a big party.
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Ray, if you think the TA's are a big party, then I doubt you've been to one.
Here I go again................. ..... ??? ???
I'll start by saying that I really do understand how some of you feel, and why you feel that way. I live on the banks of the Susquehanna river here in PA, and on any givin Saturday or Sunday I can watch a dozen out of state tournament anglers in "my" backyard, on "my" river, loading up on prespawn smallies :%$#!:
Two things irk me about this:
From looking through the posts on this site for the past several years, I notice that some of the most vocal opponents have plenty of "piles of dead fish" pics, plenty of comments about how so and so is to busy cleaning fish to post. It seems fairly obvious that protecting the resource is not really a concern among most of the people who seem the most upset.
And what irks me even more, is I can hear the news on CNN now:
" P.E.T.A. thanks local anglers for halting the exploitation of cute fishies for monetary gain "
Someone mentioned starting a petion to put an end to this, I'm very certain that the Animal Liberation Front will be more than happy to help you circulate this petition, might even help pay for postage and provide lots of signatures from their membership.
Please do not think that I am personally knocking any of you, I have followed many of your posts long before any of this started, it just worries me.
And just for the record, being a strictly catch and release angler 95% of the time I have released enough fish in NY waters ( hoeneeeeeeeyo, hemlock, loon, silver, cayuga, to mention a few) that I figure I can keep 7.5 fish on TA day without feeling guilty............ ;D ;D
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My purpose in starting this thread was not to cause division among our ranks.
It was simply to state my opinion and let others know that some of us don't like it.
Be nice, kids! :callcops:
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Byron/pa I have never been to a trap attack tournament and care not to attend one either. Last year, the day after the big party I went fishing to silver lake for the day and I seen a lot of ice damage and trash lying around. Walking conditions were so bad it restricted my fishing. You said you are from pa. Why don’t you try and promote one down your way. I’m sure the trap attack would love to have one there. You pa guys have nothing to say if some of us ny guys don’t want this crap here. We are trying to preserve silver lake. Please try and be a little more open mined here. How did peta get involved with this. Yes I was one of the guys that mentioned a petition. How are we supposed to fight this crap? What are we suppose to do let a tournament destroy another lake so you guys can have a good time and win the jack pot.
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Be nice, kids! :callcops:
WOW, your telling people to be nice? must be good stuff ;)
i think all these tournaments and such are setting a bad example for younger kids views of SPORTsman, all the kids nowadays think they have to catch the biggest fish and shoot the biggest racked deer, have fun and good natured ribbing amongst friends about who caught more or bigger fish or who shot that big 10 pointer, but when you show kids that that is the measure of a good sportsman your not sending a very good message. well maybe i am wrong who cares about the kids and the future of outdoors sports, just as long as someone is getting rich right, i mean thats what its all about isnt it? to hell with the SPORT in SPORTsman :tipup:
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I do hope to see many of you at the seminar, kids clinic or on the ice. Judge for yourselves and base your opinion on facts/experience. I wasn’t trying to stir the pot on this issue any more than already has been, but I couldn't let some of the falsehoods and misrepresentations go unchallenged. Now go ahead and pick my words apart to look for anything that remotely supports your anti-competitive-fishing position. I’m sure you’ll find something I said that can be branded as evil. “See, See, he said…”
That was NOT the point of this thread, LJ, and I agree it's getting old.
For anyone who is interested there will be a letter regarding this matter in the next Perry Herald.
I'm done!