The derby was a joke thats all I can say! People have the whole damn lake to fish and they have to come 50 ft away from my set upp??? Really?? I have to say it was awesome setting up a tip-up right on top of another so called fishermans tip-up and watching both of the flags go up. Made quite the mess when a nice 13" laker took it! lol Don't let them piss ya off!