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IceShanty Main => General Ice Fishing Chit Chat => Topic started by: taxi1 on Jan 16, 2023, 05:11 PM
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As some of you know I raise trout among other species of fish. Last year I produced several hundred pounds of rainbows for a wholesaler for pond stocking. However rainbows don't seem to sell that well to my taxidermy customers, as they are typically easily acquired at any trout hatchery. So I thought this year I would I would kill two birds with one stone, and hatch brown trout for the both the live market and the taxidermy market. Wholesaler didn't think it would make much difference. Turns out the biggest customer of the wholesaler isn't sure he wants browns as rainbows are "prettier."
Of course it's all subjective, but which species do you think is "prettier?
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(Pictures googled off the Internet.)
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Rainbows all day
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Rainbows all day
:woot: ;D
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Gotta love those big brown males when they start spawning.
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Browns. Most rainbows are pretty plain unless you get one with real strong coloration. Brookies beat them both by a mile in the looks department though.
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Browns. Most rainbows are pretty plain unless you get one with real strong coloration. Brookies beat them both by a mile in the looks department though.
Definitely brookies first. And I agree about Bows typically looking very plain, especially hatchery ones. Seen some gorgeous ones, for sure, but generally find the average brown is more attractive than the average bow
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Browns very colorful and especially when the males jaw starts to hook
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I can't choose one. Browns, brookies, or bows. They are all great! Trout trifecta!
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Wild browns
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Some of the first open water trout in April 2021. Looks like a bow/brookie cross?, there all stocked trout so a hatchery cross. Caught a lot of different colored rainbows in this lake but only two like this.
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Browns. I think cursing bows while targeting perch on the ice, combined with the feeling of jublience on the fly when I land a brown thinking it's probably a bow brings me to this conclusion. Also, having seen so many gross, mutant stocked rainbows has turned me off. Neither are native.....i'd prefer seeing a brown on the wall.
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Always a conversation between me and my coworker, who is a taxidermist in his spare time, and while the bows are pretty the browns seem to always win between us. Just love a big ol brown trout.
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I think all trout are beautiful. In Montana most of the fisheries local to me are catch and release for brown trout so the opportunity to put a brown on the wall is limited. for that reason alone I would consider raising browns. Check out a Columbia River Redband trout or a Westslope cutthroat for beautiful trout.
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Some of the first open water trout in April 2021. Looks like a bow/brookie cross?, there all stocked trout so a hatchery cross. Caught a lot of different colored rainbows in this lake but only two like this.
(https://i.postimg.cc/62Mwq1HW/opener-apr-20-2021-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/62Mwq1HW)
(https://i.postimg.cc/CnxH0d2P/180932538-10223916211750301-831136930618717770-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CnxH0d2P)
You can’t physically have a rainbow/brookie cross. Technically rainbows are “trout” and brookies are “char”. Brown trout are char, lake trout are char, and so are brookies. This is how you can make splake and tiger trout. No idea what a lake trout, brown trout cross is, but I bet it’s quite carnivorous! Your pics are all gorgeous colored, full bred, rainbow trout!
I think whichever ones are more “rare” are the more attractive. I love the look of big hook jawed male browns compared to rainbows, but I see a lot more rainbows. That could all change if the script was flipped probably. And let’s face it, some hooked jawed male browns, are ugly as hell…but so so awesome hahaha!
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You can’t physically have a rainbow/brookie cross. Technically rainbows are “trout” and brookies are “char”. Brown trout are char, lake trout are char, and so are brookies. This is how you can make splake and tiger trout. No idea what a lake trout, brown trout cross is, but I bet it’s quite carnivorous! Your pics are all gorgeous colored, full bred, rainbow trout!
I think whichever ones are more “rare” are the more attractive. I love the look of big hook jawed male browns compared to rainbows, but I see a lot more rainbows. That could all change if the script was flipped probably. And let’s face it, some hooked jawed male browns, are ugly as hell…but so so awesome hahaha!
Thanks for the clarification, I was just looking at the colors on the stomach.
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However rainbows don't seem to sell that well to my taxidermy customers, as they are typically easily acquired at any trout hatchery. So I thought this year I would I would kill two birds with one stone, and hatch brown trout for the both the live market and the taxidermy market. Wholesaler didn't think it would make much difference. Turns out the biggest customer of the wholesaler isn't sure he wants browns as rainbows are "prettier."
Wait, so people buy a trout from a wholesaler, then pay to have it mounted (and skip over the catching it themselves part???). This makes no sense to me, but then again, I don't understand alot of things that happen in 2023.
I'm not sure "prettier" is what sells....it might be "coolest looking"....but I don't know what the wholesaler is looking for....or rather what his/her customers are looking for...
As long as you're raising fish....I think the coolest looking ones are the tiger trout. Either brookie (M) x brown (F) or brown (M) x brookie (F).
If that's not an option, I think the big hook jawed gnarly looking browns are the coolest....probably not the prettiest, tho.....
Palomino rainbows are also kind of pretty looking, not my taste, but I could see other ppl describing them as pretty.
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anything native and not farmed.
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Usually taxidermists buy the trout for them to make replicates or mount the skin for the taxidermy shows that they put on all over the world. Really cool to see some of the mounts that are at the shows. Some are customer mounts that are done like deer and such. But that customer usually knows it will be awhile before they get there mount since the shows can be all year long.
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Rainbows 🌈
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Once you close your eyes they are all slippery, brown or rainbow, fat or skinny
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I think if you really want to impress your clients start raising Arctic char. Hands down without any question the most beautiful fish swimming in North American fresh waters.
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As some of you know I raise trout among other species of fish. Last year I produced several hundred pounds of rainbows for a wholesaler for pond stocking. However rainbows don't seem to sell that well to my taxidermy customers, as they are typically easily acquired at any trout hatchery. So I thought this year I would I would kill two birds with one stone, and hatch brown trout for the both the live market and the taxidermy market. Wholesaler didn't think it would make much difference. Turns out the biggest customer of the wholesaler isn't sure he wants browns as rainbows are "prettier."
Of course it's all subjective, but which species do you think is "prettier?
(https://i.postimg.cc/JGKxRQjM/Female-Rainbow-Trout-in-hand.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JGKxRQjM)
(https://i.postimg.cc/MnM9tQjw/brown-trout-sd.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MnM9tQjw)
(Pictures googled off the Internet.)
I think your representation of the Brown is very poor. Like if you were MSNBC and preferred the Rainbows.
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Check out a Columbia River Redband trout
^^^This. Redband's are gorgeous...basically a land-locked steelhead.
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Not too many fish prettier than a big spawning condition male Brown Trout.
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Browns for sure, especially in the fall. Just look at these colors, its like i'm in mexico.
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Rainbows can has some really vibrant colors but personally I’d have to go with browns as well. Tough to beat a sea-run brown that still has that goldish underbelly
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You can’t physically have a rainbow/brookie cross. Technically rainbows are “trout” and brookies are “char”. Brown trout are char, lake trout are char, and so are brookies. This is how you can make splake and tiger trout. No idea what a lake trout, brown trout cross is, but I bet it’s quite carnivorous! Your pics are all gorgeous colored, full bred, rainbow trout!
I think whichever ones are more “rare” are the more attractive. I love the look of big hook jawed male browns compared to rainbows, but I see a lot more rainbows. That could all change if the script was flipped probably. And let’s face it, some hooked jawed male browns, are ugly as hell…but so so awesome hahaha!
Sorry a brown trout is NOT a char. It's in the Salmo genus (Salmo trutta) while the brook trout and lake trout that are char, are in the Salvelinus genera. And Rainbows were moved to the Oncorhynchus genus from the Salmo genus decades ago, so are technically of the Pacific Salmon group, and are no longer considered officially "true trout." Hence the genus species name was changed from Salmo gairdneri to Oncorhynchus mykiss.
A female brown trout crossed with male brook trout is a rare inter-generic hybrid like crossing a donkey stallion with a female horse to get a mule. (Salmo X Salvelinus) Both sterile btw and typically a high mortality rate of the fry with the tiger trout.
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On a funny note I got chastised for posting a picture of these brown trout fry on Facebook page because according to this lone poster, browns are an invasive species and in no uncertain terms labeled me a villain. Yes they are not native, and they can be an invasive species that are detrimental to a native species, but he posted it on a BROWN TROUT page devoted solely to the love of Brown trout! You can't make this stuff up!
And btw there are no native trout in my state and my fish end up on the wall or in private waters. And I have to jump through hoops to hatch and raise them at quite an expense. It cost me over $800.00 last year to test one lot of rainbows.
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I think the brook trout beats them all.
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I think the brook trout beats them all.
I do too! This is one I raised. About 3 pounds IIRR.
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Like the browns myself, mostly runners from Ontario in the fall.
Inland Brookies 100%, gotta love the coloration & light on dark pattern.
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Sorry a brown trout is NOT a char. It's in the Salmo genus (Salmo trutta) while the brook trout and lake trout that are char, are in the Salvelinus genera. And Rainbows were moved to the Oncorhynchus genus from the Salmo genus decades ago, so are technically of the Pacific Salmon group, and are no longer considered officially "true trout." Hence the genus species name was changed from Salmo gairdneri to Oncorhynchus mykiss.
A female brown trout crossed with male brook trout is a rare inter-generic hybrid like crossing a donkey stallion with a female horse to get a mule. (Salmo X Salvelinus) Both sterile btw and typically a high mortality rate of the fry with the tiger trout.
Well…the more you know!!
I was under the impression that since they spawned in the fall, they were a char. See what happens when I open my big mouth…
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I think that's like asking which is a prettier woman, a blond or brunette. Totally subjective.
I would have to pick brown as long as it was a nice colored up one.
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Well…the more you know!!
I was under the impression that since they spawned in the fall, they were a char. See what happens when I open my big mouth…
No worries. At least you are open minded.
To make it even more interesting there are fall spawning rainbows. in fact there is a rainbow egg supplier in Washington state (Trout Lodge) the can provide rainbow eggs just about any time of the year. It's either genetic manipulation or photoperiod manipulation, or both, but not sure. In the old days they would ship eggs back and forth from different hemispheres of the planet to get spawners at different times of the year.
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You can’t physically have a rainbow/brookie cross. Technically rainbows are “trout” and brookies are “char”. Brown trout are char, lake trout are char, and so are brookies. This is how you can make splake and tiger trout. No idea what a lake trout, brown trout cross is, but I bet it’s quite carnivorous! Your pics are all gorgeous colored, full bred, rainbow trout!
I think whichever ones are more “rare” are the more attractive. I love the look of big hook jawed male browns compared to rainbows, but I see a lot more rainbows. That could all change if the script was flipped probably. And let’s face it, some hooked jawed male browns, are ugly as hell…but so so awesome hahaha!
And correct me if I'm wrong but Rainbow, at some point (size/age) become classified as Steelhead. ???
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born in fresh water, migrates to saltwater and matures in the ocean and then comes back to fresh water to spawn = Steehead
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born in fresh water, migrates to saltwater and matures in the ocean and then comes back to fresh water to spawn = Steehead
The fun debate begins when we introduce Great Lakes steelhead into the discussion. No saltwater there ;D
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The fun debate begins when we introduce Great Lakes steelhead into the discussion. No saltwater there ;D
Some strains of rainbows are steelhead and some or not. One thing the native steelhead on the west coast and naturalized steelhead that migrate back forth from the Great Lakes to streams and rivers is they do migrate. That said even rainbows that are not steelhead in some cases will migrate if given the chance. Heck even one study even found brook trout that not the coasters or salter strains of brook will migrate if given the chance. Go figure.
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Gotta go w/ browns. This example is far from the brightest.
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This is all fascinating to me, i fish walleye, trout and salmon regs here in Michigan are a bit much for me, i dont wanna get in trouble doing something because i misread through the pages and pages of regulations so im always curious to try and learn about them
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Once I have a few whiskeys they both look gorgeous 😍
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I think browns in fall spawn colors and Washington strain bows are very colorful in there fall colors , I’ve fished these things for about 50 years both are great fish , we get nice runs in our rivers in the fall
Essentially if you're from the East or Midwest, the Great Lakes fish are steelhead, but if you live in the West, they're simply big, lake-run rainbows.Mar 25, 2021
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No worries. At least you are open minded.
To make it even more interesting there are fall spawning rainbows. in fact there is a rainbow egg supplier in Washington state (Trout Lodge) the can provide rainbow eggs just about any time of the year. It's either genetic manipulation or photoperiod manipulation, or both, but not sure. In the old days they would ship eggs back and forth from different hemispheres of the planet to get spawners at different times of the year.
Yes I knew that. We have both in my local lake. But I, like you, was under the impression that that was manipulated somehow
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This is all fascinating to me, i fish walleye, trout and salmon regs here in Michigan are a bit much for me, i dont wanna get in trouble doing something because i misread through the pages and pages of regulations so im always curious to try and learn about them
Yeah Michigan regs are notorious for being a little complicated.
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I was going through some of my old pics and was reminded of this thread. This right here is why I love browns.
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Stock some of the cool strains.
Brook Trout, Tiger Trout, Golden Trout ETC.