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Montana => Ice Fishing Montana => Topic started by: BoomerFTW on Jan 08, 2019, 10:35 AM
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Martinsdale Reservoir was BEYOND incredible Saturday 1/5/19!! The ice was plenty safe off of the boat ramp near the dam on Saturday (Clear 8+ inches) but did thin out once you got near the section of open water off the point. Check out the drone shots in the video I made below to get a better idea of what the conditions were like. The TROUT were insane, definitely my best fishing through the ICE ever.
My friend flew all the way from Oregon to try out Ice Fishing for his first time. He joined me on what would quickly become my BEST day on the ICE ever. Still can't believe how great of a day it was... HOOKED FOR LIFE!
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Very nice video,thanks for sharing.
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The flasher you are using that has some type of blue tooth style connection to your smart phone, what is it?
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There are a few, IBobber is pretty popular.
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The flasher you are using that has some type of blue tooth style connection to your smart phone, what is it?
It is a Deeper Pro+ and connects via Wifi to my phone yep :)
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Very nice video. Better than most on TV now...plus you are not doing commercials for everything you took out on the ice! ;D
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Wow, what a high quality video. Great trip, great job, I really enjoyed that. I'm glad you had such an awesome day. Thanks so much for sharing it with us!
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great video...I am kinda in between..yes I love the drone footage...amazing...bu t if I was on the ice and saw that drone flying over me while I was fishing? probally would shoot it out of the sky.....also having that flasher app on your phone seems like a really stupid way to loose a very expensive piece of electronics....I guess its official...at 50.. I am now an old fart who shakes his head at the younger generation... all the apps..the drones....**censored** happened to fishing as I knew it.....guess I should watch grumpy old men again....cause I can relate to that...this new era..not so sure..but once again..the drone footage was spectacular....but once again..if I saw that drone hovering over me on the ice.....i'd f n blast it.....
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very nice video. looked like a fun day. It was neat to see the drone footage I thought!
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I’ll be interested in hearing a before- and after-the-video headcount of anglers from regular users of Martinsdale. 🤔
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Cool, Looks like you have a Black Lab Rainbow Retriever dog!
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CCC, Born Late. Agree 100% , bird season for a couple hundred dollar piece of plastic on ya!! Hunting season big no no. Keep Mt real. Not a movie n blow up somebody’s fishing spot. Don’t get me wrong drones get awesome video. Tell the wrong time n place.
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BoomerFTW, nothing against your videos watch them and enjoy them. Content of where maybe little much. Keep up gd video’s.
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Cool, Looks like you have a Black Lab Rainbow Retriever dog!
that dog is quite cool...best part of the video..imho…..
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Well done---------last time you will see the parking area with so few vehicles!!
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Hyperbolic spot burn! All to get a few views on YouTube. The monetization of the outdoors is pretty sad to watch...I'm only 31 and I'm already turning into a cranky old curmudgeon that hates my own generation :roflmao:
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yep......
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Remember when I was a dick for bringing this up all the time? People finally getting it.... And def. A cool video.
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Great video! Loved every minute of it. Keep em coming.
If you caught a bunch of warm water fish and named the lake you caught them on you’d get crucified on this site judging by the comments due to catching a few rainbows. Maybe just call it “no name lake” and not show the surrounding scenery?
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great video...I am kinda in between..yes I love the drone footage...amazing...bu t if I was on the ice and saw that drone flying over me while I was fishing? probally would shoot it out of the sky.....also having that flasher app on your phone seems like a really stupid way to loose a very expensive piece of electronics....I guess its official...at 50.. I am now an old fart who shakes his head at the younger generation... all the apps..the drones....**censored** happened to fishing as I knew it.....guess I should watch grumpy old men again....cause I can relate to that...this new era..not so sure..but once again..the drone footage was spectacular....but once again..if I saw that drone hovering over me on the ice.....i'd f n blast it.....
hahaha, I understand where you are coming from Chris, I love bird hunting and enjoy skeet shooting as well lol
I am glad you enjoy the drone footage! That being said I always keep the annoyance factor in mind and don't fly it too close to the other people fishing. I also only flew it once on this trip for exactly 11 minutes (and then just interspersed the footage from that 11 minutes throughout the video). Also, a majority of that 11 minutes of flight time I was high enough and far enough away that you couldn't even hear the drone at all. So in total, the sound annoyance level was about equal to someone dragging their sled to a new spot or drilling some additional holes with their gas auger. I definitely try to keep it minimal and not bug others with my drone flying. I have the capability to fly it around for almost 30 minutes but never do (even though it is pretty fun to fly).
As far as the phone app, people drop their phones down ice holes all the time, just gotta be more careful! haha
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You were high enough or the drone was? Had to ask. Just messing around. Glad you and your buddy had a good time.
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CCC, Born Late. Agree 100% , bird season for a couple hundred dollar piece of plastic on ya!! Hunting season big no no. Keep Mt real. Not a movie n blow up somebody’s fishing spot. Don’t get me wrong drones get awesome video. Tell the wrong time n place.
The drone I have is the cheapest of the DJI drones and still cost me $600, most of them cost $1000-$2000 so yeah, maybe don't shoot one if it isn't on your private property haha.
People seem to have a preconceived notion that if they know about a fishing location it is "their spot". By definition it can't be "somebody's fishing spot" because it is a public fishing area. I understand wanting to keep them clean and beautiful for others to enjoy, but having this mindset that a public reservoir shouldn't ever be shared seems rather silly. Montana has a tiny population and a very large area. A very small percentage of that already small total population ice fishes, and an even smaller percentage of those are willing to drive over an hour or two to go ice fishing. Thinking a video like this is going to "ruin" a fishing spot because a few more people check it out just doesn't make sense to me....
Well done---------last time you will see the parking area with so few vehicles!!
Awesome! Glad others are hopefully going to have a similar experience to me! It brought me so much joy being able to catch a trout like that, I hope some father and son (or daughter) have a similar experience.
Hyperbolic spot burn! All to get a few views on YouTube. The monetization of the outdoors is pretty sad to watch...I'm only 31 and I'm already turning into a cranky old curmudgeon that hates my own generation :roflmao:
Your assumptions about my motives for making these videos are incorrect. I have made $0.00 on my channel and don't expect to make anything over that. I do it to share my passion of fishing and video making and hopefully get more people excited about fishing. The fishing industry has seen a massive spike in interest and revenue due to videos like mine. I also hope to show my kids someday and share my fishing adventures with them in a fun engaging way. I am almost 29 by the way.
Also keep in mind there are a lot of Montanan, family run businesses that depend on people passing through their small towns to stay open. I know I frequent quite a few places I would otherwise never go to thanks to fishing.
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Might be better not to hot spot though. Lakes like Martinsdale are very susceptible to overfishing. Why not simply say in MT rather than name the lake. Locals and regulars will recognize the spot.
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Might be better not to hot spot though. Lakes like Martinsdale are very susceptible to overfishing. Why not simply say in MT rather than name the lake. Locals and regulars will recognize the spot.
How is Martinsdale susceptible to overfishing? keep in mind that FWP stocked this lake with 65,000 rainbow trout over the course of this last year, 28,000 of which was just in September! It's gonna be great fishing for many years to come.
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How is Martinsdale susceptible to overfishing? keep in mind that FWP stocked this lake with 65,000 rainbow trout over the course of this last year, 28,000 of which was just in September! It's gonna be great fishing for many years to come.
First, I have to say I liked the video.
But if everyone flocks to that place, there’s more issues than over fishing. But to your point, that is definitely a lot of fish, compared to my state, holy crap. But if everyone starts putting the pressure on them and causing mortality (or keeping more than they should) then the future fishing might not be as good as you think.
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How is Martinsdale susceptible to overfishing? keep in mind that FWP stocked this lake with 65,000 rainbow trout over the course of this last year, 28,000 of which was just in September! It's gonna be great fishing for many years to come.
Only a fraction of those survive in truth. Plus if a lake gets hammered the bigger fish get not only taken out but pressured and become far harder to catch. Great video, fun to watch but as I said perhaps not naming these smaller reservoirs that do tend to turn on and off under pressure would be prudent? :)
We see this in Martinsdale, Bair and Newlan all the time and is why guys are reluctant to post detailed reports. It is also why the TV guys don't ever reveal their exact lakes or locations.
Like I said great video, fun look with the drone. Any geese around?
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This is why Dog Lake is fished out over here by me. it is also how ice fishing on Noxon got ruined. It's best not to post the name of where you were at and just say it was in Montana. I subscribed to your youtube channel because I really like the quality of videos you are shooting even though I would prefer if you didn't name the places specifically. It's up to you whether you do or don't but if you are taking votes I would prefer you didn't.
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First, I have to say I liked the video.
But if everyone flocks to that place, there’s more issues than over fishing. But to your point, that is definitely a lot of fish, compared to my state, holy crap. But if everyone starts putting the pressure on them and causing mortality (or keeping more than they should) then the future fishing might not be as good as you think.
Thanks Seamonkey! Glad you liked it!
I could see that happening in a place like Portland, OR or somewhere in California, but like I said above, Montana has a very small population and a small percentage of that population actually ice fishes. Not only that but Montana has a very large amount of places with incredible ice fishing (ie Georgetown Lake, Fort Peck, Canyon Ferry, etc). To think everyone is going to flock to this spot because I caught some nice trout and made a video is kinda silly in my opinion. Maybe if my video got 1 million views it might have a substantial impact on the tourism to the area, but that is extremely unlikely to happen and currently it is only sitting at 630 views....
I have 3 other videos on my channel from Martinsdale where I catch nice sized Rainbow trout (one of which has over 1k views and was released a couple years ago) yet every time I have gone there the amount of people fishing has been pretty sparse.
Only a fraction of those survive in truth. Plus if a lake gets hammered the bigger fish get not only taken out but pressured and become far harder to catch. Great video, fun to watch but as I said perhaps not naming these smaller reservoirs that do tend to turn on and off under pressure would be prudent? :)
We see this in Martinsdale, Bair and Newlan all the time and is why guys are reluctant to post detailed reports. It is also why the TV guys don't ever reveal their exact lakes or locations.
Like I said great video, fun look with the drone. Any geese around?
Out of curiosity when you say that you "see this" in those places "all the time" what do you mean by that?
Thanks! Glad you liked the video, AND THERE WERE TONS OF GEESE AND MALLARDS! My trigger finger kept twitching while I was fishing haha
This is why Dog Lake is fished out over here by me. it is also how ice fishing on Noxon got ruined. It's best not to post the name of where you were at and just say it was in Montana. I subscribed to your youtube channel because I really like the quality of videos you are shooting even though I would prefer if you didn't name the places specifically. It's up to you whether you do or don't but if you are taking votes I would prefer you didn't.
Thanks for subscribing! Definitely some stuff to consider and think about. I am on the other side of the fence at the moment, but am interested in hearing why people are so against it and have the potential to have my mind changed if they can logically and rationally discuss it instead of just saying "but... my fishing spot!".
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Count me in as one to say the video is awesome, but like many of the others, I'd follow along in stating that fishing this particular day was great, but not state precisely where you were fishing. Let those watching figure it out if they can. I have a piece of public property that is easily accessible that I deer hunt on a pretty regular basis that has yielded multiple really nice mountain mule deer. In all of the years the picture of the largest one has hung on the wall in my office, only one person to visit my office has been able to figure out where the picture was taken. I don't openly tell folks where I am at because there wouldn't be a mule deer buck to be found on this ground if I did. We were fortunate enough to harvest 2 muley bucks of this place in successive days this fall. Kind of a go to place. So keep the video's coming, but I'd say keep the exact location of such video to yourself. Everyone wins that way.
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I could see that happening in a place like Portland, OR or somewhere in California, but like I said above, Montana has a very small population and a small percentage of that population actually ice fishes.
It's this attitude right here that really gets under the skin of locals. Montana is full and is growing at an alarming rate. Our fear is turning this pristine state into Portland or your hometown in CA. Some things don't need to be broadcasted on every outlet on social media. By all means, make cool videos of your ice fishing adventures! It seems like most of the people who have watched it really liked it. But if you really want to fish these local gems with your kids, instead of just showing them videos of how it used to be, stop posting hyperbolic videos about how this is the best place to fish EVER and how ON FIRE the bite is. You're bummed out that the fishing at Cooney sucks, you'll be bummed out in 10 years when Martinsdale and all your other honey holes are fished out too.
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Just let me offer a couple suggestions as a piece of advice and some experience on fishing out (coming from a fella younger than you with multiple state fishing experience). Feel free to take it or leave it. In my college years over in North Dakota (where the state stocks 400 some prairie lakes, which is awesome), there was a lake south of Bismarck an hour in rural NoDak, that was pumped full of nice pike. Maybe 400 acres or so. On early ice, the fishing was phenomenal...talking 20-30 pike in an afternoon (we didn't keep any), all in the 5-12 lb range. A couple weeks in, wind made its way up to Bismarck and the local area, not at our fault, as we didn't talk, and the rest of the year, as well as the two following years, you couldn't buy a pike out of there. Just as an example of fishing out a body of water.
I agree with the majority of the comments on not naming the reservoir. There's creative ways to come up with suggestions, you know, "we're an hour west of Harlowton out here at the base of the Big Mountain Range, blah, blah, blah," then handle any inquiries as to the actual spot by PM or by your own prerogative. As a guy that compiles fishing videos and posts occasionally, mostly at the end of a season to share with buddies, I completely understand that the material is yours and can be compiled, edited, and posted anywhere, as you like. For those fellas that have been fishing the particular body of water for any period of time and having success, it is perfectly understandable that they may be upset. In a state with decent lake and ice fishing as spread out as it is, it makes sense that guys would be protective of their spots, especially in a rural setting. Back when I was growing up out of town, it always bugged me to see guys showing up in their big, shiny pickups, letting out their bird dogs, and shooting all the pheasants out of the area I lived, so I understand that. Viewers a couple states away may enjoy knowing the spot to imagine what it would be like fishing there, but the lake's fishermen may not agree.
That all being said, well done video. Fishing looked awesome and the contemporary editing style of the video is a good choice. I enjoyed it, keep it up!
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I say we see this hot spoting all the time because it happens. Someone finds a hot perch bite on say CF and it gets out the next weekend there are a 100 guys there and the school gets hammered and is gone.
Montana is not as empty as it looks to an outsider. In that area we only have about four public reservoirs that ice up. Guys will flock to the bite and like I said it is done. Nothing to do with the number of fish stocked, that is irrelevant. The other issue is that the lake becomes a zoo with a four wheelers and dogs running all over.
May seem selfish to some but a 1000 acre reservoir with everyone fishing the north shore ruins it for regulars.
I think the sentiment is clear and it would be great if you respected that by simply not naming places.
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Parking issues, more garbage, more conflict, issues with neighbors... List goes on and on as to what hotspotting does....
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It's this attitude right here that really gets under the skin of locals. Montana is full and is growing at an alarming rate. Our fear is turning this pristine state into Portland or your hometown in CA. Some things don't need to be broadcasted on every outlet on social media. By all means, make cool videos of your ice fishing adventures! It seems like most of the people who have watched it really liked it. But if you really want to fish these local gems with your kids, instead of just showing them videos of how it used to be, stop posting hyperbolic videos about how this is the best place to fish EVER and how ON FIRE the bite is. You're bummed out that the fishing at Cooney sucks, you'll be bummed out in 10 years when Martinsdale and all your other honey holes are fished out too.
First of all, I am NOT from California nor do I have a hometown there so please don't assume that (as that assumption is very insulting lol). I think you misunderstood what I was saying about it not being like those places. I was alluding to the fact that there aren't enough people who ice fish here, especially not enough to ruin a lake due to a 600 view Youtube video. Fishing at Cooney isn't bad right now because of Youtube videos saying how great fishing at Cooney Reservoir is. I think fishing there sucks because of its close proximity to Billings, its surrounded by campsites, and is a popular boating and camping destination during the summer (due to is being the closest).
As a side note, I never claimed it was the best place to fish ever, I just said it was my personal best ice fishing experience (and I am still pretty new to Ice Fishing).
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Just read a report that Ackley is slow. Guess I should tell those boys to bomb over to Martinsdale.
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I say we see this hot spoting all the time because it happens. Someone finds a hot perch bite on say CF and it gets out the next weekend there are a 100 guys there and the school gets hammered and is gone.
Montana is not as empty as it looks to an outsider. In that area we only have about four public reservoirs that ice up. Guys will flock to the bite and like I said it is done. Nothing to do with the number of fish stocked, that is irrelevant. The other issue is that the lake becomes a zoo with a four wheelers and dogs running all over.
May seem selfish to some but a 1000 acre reservoir with everyone fishing the north shore ruins it for regulars.
I think the sentiment is clear and it would be great if you respected that by simply not naming places.
Canyon Ferry is pretty well known for being great for ice fishing. I think the problem in this case is unrelated because it isn't a YouTube video showing someone having fun at Canyon Ferry, but is more all of the people who look forward to fishing it every year finding out it is time to start fishing it again so they show up. Canyon Ferry usually has a pretty big amount of anglers year round am I wrong?
In regards to the rest of your comment, I guess I am having trouble understanding this consistent mindset of "well it is one of the closer spots to me so people from farther away shouldn't come fish it when the fishing is good, because I am a regular". Should everyone in Montana only be able to fish spots within an hour of them? All of these public fishing locations are a shared resource and only wanting the good fishing for yourself doesn't just seem selfish, it is. All of us pay an annual subscription, to have the privilege, to travel all over our beautiful state and catch all sorts of fish. As long as we are respecting the places we are fishing and the other anglers enjoying them as well, I don't see what the problem is with having people enjoy the fishing when the fishing is good.
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Ether totally clueless or has a different motive. I would guess the later.
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I can remember a time when ice fishing at canyon ferry was more than a challenge especially for perch. Was that same way for years trout fishing as well until the introduction of the trout from Idaho. At one time a lot of the local myself included back in the day, called the body of water the Dead Sea. Admittedly I have not been on the body of water for quite some time, but I can attest to the days when you were hard pressed to catch 10 perch in a day. I would expect that a lot of that had to do with the fact that on any given day, there would be several hundred folks out on the ice at the silos and then scattered the entire length of the lake. It got so bad that a few years back, FWP actually closed the marina area where they transplanted the rainbows into the lake to spring time fishing simply because folks would tow their campers out there, catch a bucket of trout, take them to the camper and can them and then return to the water to do it again.
I hope I'm not stepping on other folks toes here, but I think what a lot of them are saying is give generalities of your location, unless you want lots and lots of company in the near future and the potential for your experiences of winter fishing at Cooney reservoir.
I recently watched a coyote hunting video sent to me by my future in law filmed in Central Montana that he found on the internet. The two young men did a great job filming, but other than the 2 recognizable landmarks in the background of the video, a person would have never known where they were at. I recognized it almost immediately and shared that with my future in law which drew a chuckle from him.
You're obviously an adult and are pretty much free to do as you wish with your videos, but a few of us that are a bit longer in the tooth can appreciate having a day like you experienced on this one with few folks around. I have little doubt that the ice fishing activity on this reservoir has picked up greatly since the posting of your video.
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This video shows a couple guys catching maybe ten trout. How is it any different than two guys giving a report saying they got a limit? Martinsdale isn’t going to get overfished because somebody posted a cool video of a few mediocre sized rainbows. Settle down folks.
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This video shows a couple guys catching maybe ten trout. How is it any different than two guys giving a report saying they got a limit? Martinsdale isn’t going to get overfished because somebody posted a cool video of a few mediocre sized rainbows. Settle down folks.
It is not the video or saying they got a limit. It is in the title in capital letters "ON FIRE"
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Putting it on you tube probably wouldn't have a huge effect, but blowing it up on here can. On big waters like Peck, no big deal because it's a huge lake and tons of places to fish when ice is good and folks can drive and it's a long way from anywhere. When the big perch bite started on holter a couple years ago I posted that my uncle had limited out a couple times one weekend and when he went back the next week there were 150 rigs there and he couldn't find a place to park. That was an eye opener for me and I'm more selective about what I share on many bodies of water. I'll usually answer a PM if someone asks, but try not to blow stuff up on the boards.
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You’re not even a Montana resident? Hope someone comes and blows up your favorite local
Water.
And by the way, that video is garbage. Almost comical. Don’t quit your day job over in Oregon.
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You’re not even a Montana resident? Hope someone comes and blows up your favorite local
Water.
And by the way, that video is garbage. Almost comical. Don’t quit your day job over in Oregon.
WOW, brutal.....I'm fairly certain Boomer is a Montana resident & his fishing partner (friend) had flown in from Oregon for his first ice fishing outing !!
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You’re not even a Montana resident? Hope someone comes and blows up your favorite local
Water.
And by the way, that video is garbage. Almost comical. Don’t quit your day job over in Oregon.
Easy there buddy, you're getting triggered.
1st of all: I am a Montana resident.
2nd of all: I am guessing you didn't even watch the video and just started raging in the forum (because you would have known I live here in Montana if you had you watched the video)
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Canyon Ferry is pretty well known for being great for ice fishing. I think the problem in this case is unrelated because it isn't a YouTube video showing someone having fun at Canyon Ferry, but is more all of the people who look forward to fishing it every year finding out it is time to start fishing it again so they show up. Canyon Ferry usually has a pretty big amount of anglers year round am I wrong?
In regards to the rest of your comment, I guess I am having trouble understanding this consistent mindset of "well it is one of the closer spots to me so people from farther away shouldn't come fish it when the fishing is good, because I am a regular". Should everyone in Montana only be able to fish spots within an hour of them? All of these public fishing locations are a shared resource and only wanting the good fishing for yourself doesn't just seem selfish, it is. All of us pay an annual subscription, to have the privilege, to travel all over our beautiful state and catch all sorts of fish. As long as we are respecting the places we are fishing and the other anglers enjoying them as well, I don't see what the problem is with having people enjoy the fishing when the fishing is good.
My reference to CF is in regard to specific spots, not the whole lake obviously. The perch do school up and when found are very vulnerable, and as we all know they are having a hard time recently. Guys work hard to pattern them and when the word gets out, (recent years even GPS coordinates posted or shared) and suddenly they have a crowd pounding the area.
Please don't puts quotes around comments I did not make which others will then attribute to me.
I have no problem with anyone fishing anywhere, instate or out. I think enough folks have made the hot spotting point as well as could be. Plenty of examples have been pointed out. If you don't understand the issue at this point I would suggest you are not doing yourself nor our resources any favors. It's your right to hot spot if you want, but concentrating anglers via social media is not good for the resource nor the sport IMO. It's not all about the catching, making it easy and certainly should not be about self promotion which I fear is a contributing factor in all this video posting craze. Sorry to be blunt.
Like many have said you do a great job of making videos. Nothing more to ad for me. Cheers.
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This video shows a couple guys catching maybe ten trout. How is it any different than two guys giving a report saying they got a limit? Martinsdale isn’t going to get overfished because somebody posted a cool video of a few mediocre sized rainbows. Settle down folks.
Thank you, couldn't agree more (except for the mediocre part haha).
Something else to note is that this isn't my first year posting these videos. I have been doing this for 2 years now and including the name of the location in most of my videos. I have even made 3 other videos on Martinsdale already... yet this is my very first video to get any flak on this topic. I had never even heard the term "hotspotting" until this post.
I think people are getting antsy from the tame winter we have been having, not enough hard water out there to keep everyone happy and preoccupied!
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Guys, it’s just trout. It’s not like he’s giving away a walleye spot. ;D ;)
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Guys, it’s just trout. It’s not like he’s giving away a walleye spot. ;D ;)
Exactly! Let it get fished out and replace them with something edible. Theyre just fancy carp anyways.
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Exactly! Let it get fished out and replace them with something edible. Theyre just fancy carp anyways.
Hah!!
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I think people are getting antsy from the tame winter we have been having, not enough hard water out there to keep everyone happy and preoccupied!
Sadly you have now decided to justify your hotspoting by belittling others who have offered their opinions in a civil manner and make their case very well by being condescending and dismissive toward them. The comments are sincere and actually wise counsel is being offered to you. The statements are not flippant nor made out of frustration. You might consider stop chopping the hole you are finding yourself in? Or not, it's your reputation. ::)
I am imagining someone sawing out a spearing hole while standing on the ice block.. ;D
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Nice video! Glad to see somebody catching fish through the ice! And sharing for others to experience..... while all these grumpy old men stare at their computer wishing they were there. Not sure of the legality of keeping whitefish at that lake but cold water whities can be tasty, especially lake superior whitefish. Canned these fish are better than tuna. I gotta get that bobber fish finder! Holy wha that thing rocks! keep em coming!
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I have found that you have to be careful what you write on this site because there are a ton of trolls just waiting to pounce. I once posted that I had caught a sucker and killed it, and people jumped all over me.
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LOL, I got spanked hard about 3 years ago for posting exactly where to go to catch 40"+ pike and 25" + walleye that I was catching. There was a bounty on my head so I hid away from here and just fished. ;D
When I came back, I felt like that that poor Chuck Conners as Jason McCord in the 60's TV series "Branded". My avatar was gone, just like the series, where they rip the stripes off his Jason McCord's shoulder, my avatar is still gone. >:( I am still butt hurt about it being gone. Me being sensitive and all. My feelers still hurt. :'(
Out of all the vids I watch, this one rates up there although I don't like any added music and don't really care for the aerial shots since I am afraid of heights and zooming threw the air gives me vertigo. Do what you want, it's your vids and your life.
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Sadly you have now decided to justify your hotspoting by belittling others who have offered their opinions in a civil manner and make their case very well by being condescending and dismissive toward them. The comments are sincere and actually wise counsel is being offered to you. The statements are not flippant nor made out of frustration. You might consider stop chopping the hole you are finding yourself in? Or not, it's your reputation. ::)
I am imagining someone sawing out a spearing hole while standing on the ice block.. ;D
Hey Wenger, I apologize if I came off that way. I was not trying to convey that and was merely trying to lighten up the conversation since it got kind of negative/dark after BloodShotP's post. I didn't think that comment was belittling or condescending, I was merely saying it in jest, but I can understand how words typed in a Forum can be taken multiple ways.
I appreciate your insight you have given so far, but almost all of the examples given by you, and especially by others, have dealt with circumstantial, experiential based, evidence. Someone saying "well I told the forums a couple times about my catches and the next week there were 150 cars" isn't proof that you posting about it had direct causation for the parking lot being full the next week. (not saying you said this, but you referenced others "wise counsel"). You mentioned something in the post before your last about "when the word gets out" and I think that is the perfect explanation. Honestly I think it is a team effort.
Let's say 15 people are some of the early die hards out on the ice and let's say most of them catch some nice fish and go tell some of their friends and fishing buddies about the great weekend they had. Now their fishing buddies are all telling their friends about it as well, and the news spreads exponentially from there. Maybe 1 or 2 of those guys even posts on the forum about it and shares a photo or video that draws a few more groups to want to head there. All in all, people love fishing and yes hearing a spot is good and/or has safe ice for fishing draws some additional people to go there and do what they love. However, to try and draw direct causality for "ruining" a fishing location based on a Youtube video and social media post is still, in my opinion, unfounded and silly.
Also I think it is VERY interesting point (a point you completely ignored when you decided to respond by saying I was being condescending and belittling) that I have been making these videos for 2 years now and it took 84 videos until I heard about this being an issue and the term "hotspotting". Any explanation or ideas why that is the case? Wouldn't my other videos on Martinsdale about how great the fishing was have ruined the spot already and we shouldn't be having this conversation? My first video on Martinsdale released April of 2017 has over 1k views and in the title says my wife and I both catching our PB rainbow trout, AND was spread ALL over social media and yet Martinsdale mysteriously still isn't ruined or overfished? How does that make sense?
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Hey Wenger, I apologize if I came off that way. I was not trying to convey that and was merely trying to lighten up the conversation since it got kind of negative/dark after BloodShotP's post. I didn't think that comment was belittling or condescending, I was merely saying it in jest, but I can understand how words typed in a Forum can be taken multiple ways.
I appreciate your insight you have given so far, but almost all of the examples given by you, and especially by others, have dealt with circumstantial, experiential based, evidence. Someone saying "well I told the forums a couple times about my catches and the next week there were 150 cars" isn't proof that you posting about it had direct causation for the parking lot being full the next week. (not saying you said this, but you referenced others "wise counsel"). You mentioned something in the post before your last about "when the word gets out" and I think that is the perfect explanation. Honestly I think it is a team effort.
Let's say15 people are some of the early die hards out on the ice and let's say most of them catch some nice fish and go tell some of their friends and fishing buddies about the great weekend they had. Now their fishing buddies are all telling their friends about it as well, and the news spreads exponentially from there. Maybe 1 or 2 of those guys even posts on the forum about it and shares a photo or video that draws a few more groups to want to head there. All in all, people love fishing and hearing a spot is good and/or has safe ice for fishing draws people to go there and do what they love. To try and draw direct causality based on a Youtube video and social media post is still, in my opinion, unfounded and silly.
Also I think it is VERY interesting point (a point you completely ignored when you decided to respond by saying I was being condescending and belittling) that I have been making these videos for 2 years now and it took 84 videos until I heard about this being an issue and the term "hotspotting". Any explanation or ideas why that is the case? Wouldn't my other videos on Martinsdale about how great the fishing was have ruined the spot already and we shouldn't be having this conversation? My first video on Martinsdale released April of 2017 has over 1k views and in the title says my wife and I both catching our PB rainbow trout, AND was spread ALL over social media and yet Martinsdale mysteriously still isn't ruined or overfished? How does that make sense?
Someone will find a bubble gum wrapper and say "see, that BoomerFTW guy caused this". :roflmao:
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so you're saying social media has no effect eh? that's interesting....and ignorant.
Read through it again, I didn't say that. I was saying a single Youtube video and forum post can't ruin a fishing spot. The combined effort of word of mouth, social media, and etc can increase traffic to an area for sure, but claiming me posting about my trip is going to ruin fishing there is a baseless claim.
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yeah you did say it, twice now(at least). And several people have given you direct examples.
Believe what you want to believe I suppose. I never claimed there was "0" effects and even from the very beginning said I would be happy if a few more groups of people went there and had a good time like I did. My point is, and has always been, that I am not single handedly ruining the fishing at Martinsdale with my video/posts.
Don't you find it ironic that everyone getting mad at me for drawing attention to a specific fishing spot have been unintentionally (and hypocritically) been doing just that by continuing to bump this forum post to the top of the Montana section for the last 3 days now?
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Seems like to the "t", whenever this subject comes up, the OP always defends themselves with any and every justification. They never even attempt to think about the comments and where the other side of the conversation is coming from...
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Seems like to the "t", whenever this subject comes up, the OP always defends themselves with any and every justification. They never even attempt to think about the comments and where the other side of the conversation is coming from...
When I did it, I didn't defend myself, I just deleted the post and fished. I am not mad at BoomerFTW either. This same thing is what the Montana Reports and Conditions kinda provides. Also BoomerFTW, I am not the kind of guy that fishes where someone else catches. BoomerFTW, test me, PM me all GPS coordinates where you have been catching fish, please include the bait or lures used for each location..... for data research. ;D
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I’ll be interested in hearing a before- and after-the-video headcount of anglers from regular users of Martinsdale. 🤔
Easiest way I've ever seen to blow up a spot is put in on social media for all to see.
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I mean everyone except you Herb lol :)
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In my best Elvis voice, Thank You, Thank You Very Much. ;D
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Everybody thinks that there spot is special and nobody knows about it. Sorry, that's not the case. Anyone with Google Earth and the internets can figure these things out. Trust me, I'm not running over to Martinsdale to go fishing.
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Everybody thinks that there spot is special and nobody knows about it. Sorry, that's not the case. Anyone with Google Earth and the internets can figure these things out. Trust me, I'm not running over to Martinsdale to go fishing.
Extremely naive
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I've lived in Martinsdale my whole life. Social media has definitely very much hurt every aspect of the outdoor life style here. That being said I can't make anyone stop posting what they want. I just wish people would post more about other people's spots so I can go fish and hunt their stuff since this area is hit so hard anymore. Not saying that Martinsdale reservoir is currently overfished but the cycle has came through before. The hunting in this area has been destroyed because of social media though.
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Thanks for the insight and first hand experience....even though it sucks...
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Lol no problem. The fishing at the lake is currently fine. The overall outdoor experience in this area has just taken a massive hit over the last decade. A large part of that is social media. That being said I'm on here trying to figure out new spots so I'm part of the issue. I just wish people wouldn't draw as much attention as possible to the area. I like the Montana fishing and ice report forum. It lets people have an idea of what's going on but still have to figure stuff out for ourselves.
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Lol no problem. The fishing at the lake is currently fine. The overall outdoor experience in this area has just taken a massive hit over the last decade. A large part of that is social media. That being said I'm on here trying to figure out new spots so I'm part of the issue. I just wish people wouldn't draw as much attention as possible to the area. I like the Montana fishing and ice report forum. It lets people have an idea of what's going on but still have to figure stuff out for ourselves.
Out of curiosity have you visited the lake in the last 5 days or driven by it since you live right next to it? I am curious if there has been a massive uptick of people on the ice in the last 5 days?
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Grizzlyhackle, I guess I'm "extremely naive", but I fish hard enough and use the tools provided that I can find good spots for any species. Sorry, it might be your secret spot.
Has anyone noticed that the population is increasing as well. That could be a reason for higher fishing pressures.
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Keeping your mouth shut should be one of the first rules of a good fisherman, but to help the naive folks that don't quite get the big picture, here is a good blog post that basically sums it up:
http://www.fishing-headquarters.com/fishcast/has-social-media-ruined-fishing-spots/
"The methodology to gaining information isn’t what it used to be. Gone are the days of being adventurous, making personal discoveries, and finding honey holes on your own."
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Actually massive is not the right term. Comparative to a week ago there have been quite a few people though. And none of them are locals. Still not a ton of people by Any stretch compared to other lakes. But Martinsdale does not handle pressure well. I've fished it a lot for 35 years now and my family has for long before that. There are not many good spots and they get pounded. Especially on years like this where there are only pockets of good ice. Also be careful on it this year. There are a ton of little half acre holes next to really good ice that freeze over and Open every couple days. I have never seen ice like it before here.
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I guess the question at this point is WHY you want to name a lake? Seems to me it would make no
difference.
Then I guess the next question why you are not just accepting what even the locals are telling you rather than just saying that you don’t care what others think and move on.
At this point I have no idea what your motivation is in terms of making and posting videos in the first place. If you say it is a public service, it seems to me most will disagree. There is a real threat to the resource by doing so especially on smaller lakes. I also lived in ND when in the AF when they waters were rising and fish came back. 1000 acre lakes got raped and trashed through over fishing when the word got out. This is exactly why tv guys never disclose exact locations. Now you obviously not get that much exposure but the principle is the same.
So back to the real question, what do have to gain by hot spotting? Why are you defending it so vehemently?
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Video posted in a forum specifically for ice fishing in MT, in a year with a lack of ice and a title that proclaims "ON FIRE for Fat Trout". Might as well have posted "Free Beer! All you can drink"
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waiting.....
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Actually massive is not the right term. Comparative to a week ago there have been quite a few people though. And none of them are locals. Still not a ton of people by Any stretch compared to other lakes. But Martinsdale does not handle pressure well. I've fished it a lot for 35 years now and my family has for long before that. There are not many good spots and they get pounded. Especially on years like this where there are only pockets of good ice. Also be careful on it this year. There are a ton of little half acre holes next to really good ice that freeze over and Open every couple days. I have never seen ice like it before here.
Thanks for your response! Appreciate your insight! If you had to put a number on it, how many people at a time have you seen out on the ice the last 4-5 days? I am trying to get a better idea of what you mean by "quite a few". I wouldn't be surprised if there were 10-15 people out there during a good day, but not 50-150 like some people have been claiming would happen.
I definitely noticed the ice was sketchy in certain areas, brought a spud bar and the amount it varied near the open water was scary.
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why you are not just accepting what even the locals are telling you rather than just saying that you don’t care what others think and move on
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Your obviously missing the point boomer. Also the first fish was a sucker not a whitefish.
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Keeping your mouth shut should be one of the first rules of a good fisherman, but to help the naive folks that don't quite get the big picture, here is a good blog post that basically sums it up:
http://www.fishing-headquarters.com/fishcast/has-social-media-ruined-fishing-spots/
"The methodology to gaining information isn’t what it used to be. Gone are the days of being adventurous, making personal discoveries, and finding honey holes on your own."
I would like to hear what boomerW the F has to say about this link that grizhack shared...which I find spot on.....
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Your obviously missing the point boomer. Also the first fish was a sucker not a whitefish.
yep.....
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I guess the question at this point is WHY you want to name a lake? Seems to me it would make no
difference.
Then I guess the next question why you are not just accepting what even the locals are telling you rather than just saying that you don’t care what others think and move on.
At this point I have no idea what your motivation is in terms of making and posting videos in the first place. If you say it is a public service, it seems to me most will disagree. There is a real threat to the resource by doing so especially on smaller lakes. I also lived in ND when in the AF when they waters were rising and fish came back. 1000 acre lakes got raped and trashed through over fishing when the word got out. This is exactly why tv guys never disclose exact locations. Now you obviously not get that much exposure but the principle is the same.
So back to the real question, what do have to gain by hot spotting? Why are you defending it so vehemently?
I will answer your question by first explaining why I make videos:
I make videos because I am passionate about sharing my love of fishing with others and because I genuinely enjoy creating entertaining videos that promote fishing. YouTube fishing channels in general have generated a huge interest in fishing, especially among the younger generation, and have led to very many positive things for the industry and all of the anglers and businesses who depend on the fishing industry for their livelihood. If I make a fishing video on a publicly known body of water, one that is literally listed on FWP's website as a popular fishing destination, then I have had no problem with naming the location so that others may choose to go enjoy the sport of fishing in that same location. I have been doing this regularly for 2 years now and have never noticed any side effects of this hobby or received any criticism of doing this until now.
I do care about what the locals are saying and I also care about what you are saying. I wouldn't spend this much time defending myself against like 10 random people on the internet just to defend myself. I am asking kscall for more clarity and inquiring about it, as well as reading every single post and responding to the ones that challenge my viewpoint and make me think and reconsider. It has been difficult to do this when a vast majority of people posting are giving accounts of random things that happened on other bodies of water when the fishing community found out about it.
At this point, it is seeming more and more worth it to not name a location, just simply to avoid all of the negative perceptions and hostility from people that don't agree with me. I would much rather have an engaging and thought provoking conversation with someone over a beer on the ice then to have a group of strangers online post comment after comment of baseless accusations along with assumptions of my motives and character. I didn't realize it would be this toxic and regret even posting it here now, so congratulations to all of the people who are against me.
Sharing a video of your ice fishing adventure on a forum literally dedicated to sharing about your ice fishing adventures shouldn't receive this much hate and hostility. Disappointing to say the least.
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Your obviously missing the point boomer. Also the first fish was a sucker not a whitefish.
I understand the point, I just don't agree with it.
I know, I was told that by a subscriber within 5 minutes of the video going live.
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Keeping your mouth shut should be one of the first rules of a good fisherman, but to help the naive folks that don't quite get the big picture, here is a good blog post that basically sums it up:
http://www.fishing-headquarters.com/fishcast/has-social-media-ruined-fishing-spots/
"The methodology to gaining information isn’t what it used to be. Gone are the days of being adventurous, making personal discoveries, and finding honey holes on your own."
Posting a blog post of one anglers opinion of how social media has been detrimental to "secret spots" is not really evidence for anything.
I read through the entire article. Not once did he list evidence or post studies or statistics or anything. All just meaningless conjecture and assumptions. Also how is this applicable to this situation, this isn't a "secret spot". You can look it up on FWP's website easily and is listed as a fishing destination in a google search.
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im literally dumbfounded at this point. But i bet we get more justifications.....
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im literally dumbfounded at this point. But i bet we get more justifications.....
x10
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is there perch in that Res?
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Being as new to this sport as you are I guess its not suprising that you haven't clearly seen issues reguarding increased pressure and over use. You make the argument that Montana's population is so low that there is no possible way for increased pressure to negatively affect any users experience. Ive been fishing long enough to personally see the increased use and pressure on local waters on an annual basis. You're entitled to an opinion, but you just dont have the experience to base that opinion on facts. Others here do have that experience and our opinion that social media ruins honey holes is not anecdotal, nor does it need to be validated by your opinion in order for it to be true. Nationally hunting and fishing numbers may not be growing, however as a state our user groups increase annually as well as our population. You can disagree all You want, but based off the majority of responses to this post alone should make you seriously question whether you want to provide details like this in the future. I wouldn't dare ask a stranger where they harvested their deer or elk, and if I was asked for that information I would instantly judge their character. Fishing is no different in my opinion and information regarding success should be held close to one's heart. Unless your fishing for likes and follows, then I guess all is fair.
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im literally dumbfounded at this point. But i bet we get more justifications.....
I'm literally dumbfounded that you continue to comment on this post while literally adding nothing positive or valuable to the conversation.
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is there perch in that Res?
LOL, wrong time and post man, but I have never caught a perch there to answer your question.
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I'm literally dumbfounded that you continue to comment on this post while literally adding nothing positive or valuable to the conversation.
Reread all the posts pal....and I wonder who youre i'ming :whistle:
Dozens of people have added plenty of value, but your ignorance overwhelms it...
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Being as new to this sport as you are I guess its not suprising that you haven't clearly seen issues reguarding increased pressure and over use. You make the argument that Montana's population is so low that there is no possible way for increased pressure to negatively affect any users experience. Ive been fishing long enough to personally see the increased use and pressure on local waters on an annual basis. You're entitled to an opinion, but you just dont have the experience to base that opinion on facts. Others here do have that experience and our opinion that social media ruins honey holes is not anecdotal, nor does it need to be validated by your opinion in order for it to be true. Nationally hunting and fishing numbers may not be growing, however as a state our user groups increase annually as well as our population. You can disagree all You want, but based off the majority of responses to this post alone should make you seriously question whether you want to provide details like this in the future. I wouldn't dare ask a stranger where they harvested their deer or elk, and if I was asked for that information I would instantly judge their character. Fishing is no different in my opinion and information regarding success should be held close to one's heart. Unless your fishing for likes and follows, then I guess all is fair.
1st: I am not new to the sport, just the Ice Fishing side of it.
2nd: of course increased pressure and overuse would affect a fishery, that literally isn't the argument at all
3rd: hunting is a whole different animal (literally and figuratively) that I would rather not get into here seeing as how unbeneficial the discourse has been
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oh look...more justification and excuses...
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Reread all the posts pal....and I wonder who youre i'ming :whistle:
Dozens of people have added plenty of value, but your ignorance overwhelms it...
I retract my statement. After looking at all your other comments, of the 8 or so comments you made on this post, this was the only time when you added to the conversation:
Parking issues, more garbage, more conflict, issues with neighbors... List goes on and on as to what hotspotting does....
Almost every other post you made was things like the following:
+"Remember when I was a dick for bringing this up all the time? People finally getting it...."
+"Seems like to the "t", whenever this subject comes up, the OP always defends themselves with any and every justification. They never even attempt to think about the comments and where the other side of the conversation is coming from..."
+"waiting....."
+"im literally dumbfounded at this point. But i bet we get more justifications....."
Yeah really insightful and valuable contributions there, including your most recent:
oh look...more justification and excuses...
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This is the route you're going now eh? Priceless! Stay ignorant;) oh and nice work continually ignoring everyone's comments...
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Unless your fishing for likes and follows, then I guess all is fair.
I think this is the gist of it at this point.
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This is the route you're going now eh? Priceless! Stay ignorant;) oh and nice work continually ignoring everyone's comments...
I get it, you think I am ignorant and just justifying the decision I made to include the lake name in the video.
You accusing me of it over and over isn't helping anything. Just saying.
I have already pointed out why that isn't what I am doing and defended myself and sought to find out why so many people are so passionate about this. Believe what you want to believe though.
I haven't been ignoring everyone's comments, I have been responding to as many as I can?
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"Unless your fishing for likes and follows, then I guess all is fair."
I think this is the gist of it at this point.
Literally just explained above why I fish and make videos yet you continue to throw out these unfounded accusations. Real nice.
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and I wonder who youre i'ming :whistle:
Also what did you mean by this part?
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Believe what you want to believe though.
I'm beliving what I'm reading, not what I want to.
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It comes down to there is no valid justification/excuse for hotspotting.
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I am taking orders for t-shirts that say "I fished Martinsdale before it was famous" and "I fished Martinsdale before Alla-Akbar happened". BoomerFTW, these guys are actually like little loveable puppies in person. Just take the vid down, from Ice Shanty, send me the GPS coord's and we will be OK.
I think everyone will be fishing Frances this weekend, well except for me, I will be at Martinsdale.
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It comes down to there is no valid justification/excuse for hotspotting.
Call it a day boys, we have our answer.
Might as well get rid of every "Fishing Reports And Conditions" section under each state on the IceShanty forums so that people stop hotspotting.
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Oh my..... ::) it’s not hate boomer it’s probably a combined thousand plus days of ice fishing experience with specific examples. That said this should not get so personal.
I have a great idea, when you get skunked post that cold spot!🙏
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Oh my..... ::) it’s not hate boomer it’s probably a combined thousand plus days of ice fishing experience with specific examples. That said this should not get so personal.
I have a great idea, when you get skunked post that cold spot!🙏
I qualify for that! Pm me I get can get you into some real skunks for the vids.
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It comes down to there is no valid justification/excuse for hotspotting
Call it a day boys, we have our answer
I love it when an out-of-stater calls BS on protecting our resources no mater what or where they are....
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I have a great idea, when you get skunked post that cold spot!🙏
I know you are kidding around, but I actually do have some videos of me getting skunked, a couple in particular is of ice fishing at... you guessed it! Cooney Reservoir! haha
Isn't it SOOOO crazy that nobody got mad at me for posting these videos?
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Man ,if this video was about walleye there would be a lynch mob ready with a rope, ,Im sure the video was meant to just show them having a good time, but they didn't understand the negative effects, I agree that social media is a bad thing , hell I stopped using Facebook 5 years ago, but as my name indicates Im old school about things, my only gripe is people dont understand how bragging about fishing or hunting spots are screwing ul good fisheries and hunting locations, too much info is not a good thing,
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Video is C- D+ at best (A for effort). As a lifelong sportsman in Montana sacred hunting and fishing spots are shared only with family and close friends. Only frequent places nobody else is willing to go.
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Thanks for the Cooney vid. Scratch Cooney off the bucket list.
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And keep any “that’s too harsh” comments to yourself folks. This is a forum for adult ice fishing so if you can’t handle people getting pissed about guys wrecking fishing quality on water they don’t frequent and therefore aren’t concerned with ruining, all in trade for YouTube likes, just wait till it happens to your spot.
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Glad most of the Montana guys are on the same page. I’ll state again, video is terrible, you have a very annoying personality and are one of the most ignorant and judging by the video, lamest, guys I’ve ever seen. Prob why you need “likes” and “subs”. Get a f*ing life. It’s hilarious how you respond to every single post like a high school girl on Facebook. If you can’t see what we are saying there’s no hope.
:clap: :clap: :clap: I refuse to watch the video but I'll take your word for it. Glad someone finally let loose
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Chill out BloobShot. That’s too harsh. Uh oh, now I’m gonna get it. Freaking hilarious how this thread has devolved.
This is the simplest fix in all the world. Just don’t give the name of the body of water. That’s it. It’s fun watching folks get so much joy out of fishing and it really does get people amped up to go out and try it. Still, that can be accomplished by not giving the name of the lake/reservoir.
Although I don’t believe this video will have a great impact on the fishing pressure there, if you had caught a bunch of perch or big walleye somewhere else you’d have a zoo at the spot you caught them in no time. People around here will go to great lengths to catch a bunch of jumbo perch if they know where to go, ie Holter.
Just look at the reports page. Lots of reports on where trout are, where to catch them on the lake, and what to use even. Not much info when it comes to successfull perch/walleye/pike outings.
I hope you keep making these videos because I really enjoy them. Simply keep the name of the lake out of it and there will be no negativity towards it. Also, what song is playing? Really liked the music. You can always post a detailed report in the reports section too. No one will scold you for that.