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IceShanty Main => General Ice Fishing Chit Chat => Topic started by: flyfish59102 on Jun 19, 2022, 09:15 PM
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I have recently started a major project of constructing a wheelhouse. I am starting from the ground up and building the entire thing myself. I bet I have watched every Youtube video in existence to see ideas people had to construct their own wheelhouse. Still, I have some questions and I would appreciate advice from someone who is just guessing, to someone who know what they are doing, or someone who has screwed up on their own already trying to do the same thing.
The question for today?
How do you insulate the floor?
- More accurately, I am planning on using two inch thick foam to insulate the bottom of the shack between the steel beams. Then I will cover the foam insulation with very thin galvanized steel to protect the foam. So, do I make the bottom of the shack smooth/flush with the ice or should I recess each panel between steel supports. If I should recess it then how much? I cannot find any videos on line or links that explain this.
My concern is my shack freezing down to the lake while I fish. I am not planning on leaving the shack out on the lake. It will be for day and overnight trips. If it is flush, has anyone had problems with the shack sinking over a day or two days to the point where it is difficult to break out?
Other information that may be of interest is shack will be 6.5 feet by 12 feet. Very light and capable of being moved by a 4 wheeler. Anticipated weight will be around 1300 to 1400lbs. The goal is to make a shack I can move around to many different lakes and drag behind my truck. Set up fast, drop wheels fast, and move fast. The design is a rough copy of Zack Shack with significant improvements to suspension and ski system. Also it will have a v-nose with a slanted peak on the V for easier towing. I am going to heat it with a diesel heater and power with two deep cycle batteries. Might install solar or a wind generator to provide additional power. Hard to say right now because it will depend a lot on the budget and this project has me about broke.
I am going to attach a few pictures of the plans so you guys can see what I am talking about.
Your thoughts are welcome.
flyfish59102
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Just for giggles, here is the suspension I will be using. It is a Timbren Independent suspension I will be mounding on swing arms.
flyfish59102
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Is there a reason why you are using galvanized steel on the bottom instead of aluminum?
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I blocked my shack up off of the ice to keep it from freezing down and banked it around the outside to keep the wind out from under it. Another thing I would recommend is hole sleeves to keep the wind out of it.
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So, the wheelhouse will be constructed out of steel, not galvanized steel, just regular steel. The reason is two fold. One, I don't know how to weld aluminum. Wish I did, but I don't. Also, Aluminum is too expensive with the current metal prices. By my estimate, I would have probably doubled or tripled the cost. Don't get me wrong, steel isn't a whole lot better, but it is still cheaper.
Where I am, weight isn't a huge issue. I live in Montana. It is freaking cold here for a really long time. My favorite lake to fish still has 2.5 feet of ice on it at the end of March when the season closes. Pretty sure I won't be going through anytime soon.
As far as freezing down, I like the idea of blocking around it. It would be nice to not have to do that if I could avoid it. a lot of times I will just go out for a morning or an evening. Blocking it each time seems like a pain. The point of a wheelhouse with the swing arm suspension to raise and lower is so I can move around fast. I guess it is still way faster than setting up my tent.
So, here are some different ideas and I am curious about thoughts.
1) will it help if I paint the steel with white rhino lining? that should help keep it from sinking.
2) What do you do with the blocks at the end of the day? do you just leave em? I presume they are frozen in?
3) Has anyone come up with a block design that is easy to break out of the ice? Something where a lever is or can be attached to pop it out. Just asking out of curiousity because it might be my next invention.
flyfish59102
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I blocked my shack up off of the ice to keep it from freezing down and banked it around the outside to keep the wind out from under it. Another thing I would recommend is hole sleeves to keep the wind out of it.
Any chance you could post a picture of the bottom of your shack just for construction ideas? It is the one thing I haven't been able to find any images of. I am curious to see how people are securing the protective cover on the bottom.
flyfish59102
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Is there a reason why you are using galvanized steel on the bottom instead of aluminum?
Been a long day and it took me a few. Galvanized steel sheeting. Basically, it is steel roofing material before they put the kinks in it. Aluminum sheeting of the same thickness is pricey as $#%@. It would be cool, but it is only going to add an extra few lbs to the entire shack. It is already painted too. I was going to use white to reflect the sun and help keep it from sinking...I think.
flyfish59102
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My Ice Castle Fish house has a painted steel frame. The underside is insulated with closed cell spray foam. It is very durable. The frame is 6" thick and the foam is probably around 2", so its not flush the the underside of the frame. I would suggest asking around to insulation companies around you how much it would cost to spray the underside of your house. Might be a good option to using 2" thick sheets and covering that with metal.
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Any chance you could post a picture of the bottom of your shack just for construction ideas? It is the one thing I haven't been able to find any images of. I am curious to see how people are securing the protective cover on the bottom.
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My shack didn't have any type of protective covering or underfloor insulation. I used 1"×6" boards to block it up to keep it from freezing down. I banked around the bottom of the shack with snow to keep the wind to a minimum and used hole sleeves to keep any wind from entering through the holes in the floor. At the end of the day or several days, I would tap the blocks with something to loosen them from the ice. One thing that made it fast and easy to move was having a drop hitch installed so I didn't have to unhook from my pickup. I don't have any photos as I sold my shack a couple of years ago since it spent most of it's time in my driveway. It was 6.5'x12' and weighed 1,520 lbs before I installed the Empire Direct Vent heater which probably added another 40 lbs.
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Interesting. I was worried about wear and tear on the foam. Rodents, critters, ect. We also have lots of dirt roads around here. I am talking about towing the thing for 40 miles on dirt and mud roads. Worried about wear and tear on foam. I think recessed with metal protection will work well.
Flyfish59102
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Next question. I am ordering electrical components. What amp inverter charger should I run in this thing? If you have a name or link, that would be awesome.
Flyfish59102
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Ya might get some ideas and help from all the builds on here. Put "fish house build" in the search function at the top of the page. Lotsa great builds/ideas/pics out there....heres a sample:
https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=343175.msg3646010#msg3646010
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Ya might get some ideas and help from all the builds on here. Put "fish house build" in the search function at the top of the page. Lotsa great builds/ideas/pics out there....heres a sample:
https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=343175.msg3646010#msg3646010
Rebelss found the thread that I was looking for. This thread documented the process the builder went thru pretty well. Not saying its a handbook to do everything, but we all got to follow along as the build progressed. Lot of good information in this thread.
Good luck with the build and will be following along!
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Ya might get some ideas and help from all the builds on here. Put "fish house build" in the search function at the top of the page. Lotsa great builds/ideas/pics out there....heres a sample:
https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=343175.msg3646010#msg3646010
That is a really great thread. Thank you. I think a lot of what I am going to need will be there. I will still post pics and ask advice as I go. I want mine to look more like a cargo trailer than a house on wheels. That is what I have envisioned anyway. One cool idea I had was to use reflective spray paint and forms to put something on the side you could only see when it got hit with headlights at night. I think that idea may have potential. It is a long way away though. Metal is ordered and should be here next week. Won't have a day off for about three weeks so not seeing a lot of hope between now and then. Mainly looking at my ideas, refining them, asking questions, refining them again, back to the drawing board and repeat.
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Got my steel today. Guess if I wasn't serious before then I am now. I suspect I will be burning through those angle grinder and chop saw cutting blades I bought last weekend. Base frame first. Get the wheel and lift mechanism on it...mainly so I can move it the &@$# out of the way, then start on the rest.
It now occures to me that as I cut them apart I should number them with a grease pencil and put the numbers on my blueprints for easier re-assembly on welding day/days/weeks when I have the time.
...and don't be fooled by the welcome sign in the background. That totally belongs to the wife...the garage is a manly activity zone only.
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...and don't be fooled by the welcome sign in the background. That totally belongs to the wife...the garage is a manly activity zone only.
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Then get that Hamm's/ Miller Beer clock up, and a scantily clad hootchie-cootchie sittin' on a car.....:roflmao:
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The metal cutting and measuring has begun. Also, I took down that stupid welcome sign. I also just ordered hole covers. Felt pretty good about the cost until shipping kicked in. Freakin $70. Are the buying the new mule to ship it on across the country or what? Those hold covers better come with a hot chick who likes to ice fish, cook and doesn't speak.
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The metal cutting and measuring has begun. Also, I took down that stupid welcome sign. I also just ordered hole covers. Felt pretty good about the cost until shipping kicked in. Freakin $70. Are the buying the new mule to ship it on across the country or what? Those hold covers better come with a hot chick who likes to ice fish, cook and doesn't speak.
flyfish59102
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She's the one that took yer money and sent 'em out. :roflmao:
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Should I angle the corner welds at 45 degrees? Do you think that will add strength?
Any suggestion on the thickness of the shaft going from the shack to the swing arm?
Also, I am attaching a general sketch of my swing arm assembly. I think the key will be to keep the wheel as closely centered to the axel as possible. That should reduce the amount of pressure that needs to be applied to the lever arm to lower or lift the shack. My rough calculations so far suggest that I am looking at about 70 lbs of pressure to lift an 2500lbs of shack at the end of a 7 foot lever. I knew that math I took in school would pay off someday.
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i built my own shack a few years ago, I leave the shack on the lake for the whole season. I do move around lots too it doesn't take long to pack up and move it, I just use 2x6 blocks at each corner to sit on. For the floor I just used 4x8 sheets of bubble wrap before installing the plywood on the steel frame. It stay plenty warm enough, also used the bubble wrap on the walls as well. You can check my link out if you want, "New ice shack build 8x14"
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Spent some more time last night cutting metal. I think i have the front end roughed out and the tongue set up. Now I need to go through and make some cuts so that I can make everything flush. I also got my shafts/spindles. That will be the next major measuring and cutting. Cutting the holes is going to be a pain in the a$$. I am figuring on a lot of cutting oil and a very tired drill press by the time I get that one done. Then it will be time to break out the welder and see if i can get this thing to go together squarely enough to tow down the road. Fingers crossed because i have enough money invested that i can't really afford a several thousand dollar lawn ornament.
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Spent some more time last night cutting metal. I think i have the front end roughed out and the tongue set up. Now I need to go through and make some cuts so that I can make everything flush. I also got my shafts/spindles. That will be the next major measuring and cutting. Cutting the holes is going to be a pain in the a$$. I am figuring on a lot of cutting oil and a very tired drill press by the time I get that one done. Then it will be time to break out the welder and see if i can get this thing to go together squarely enough to tow down the road. Fingers crossed because i have enough money invested that i can't really afford a several thousand dollar lawn ornament.
flyfis59102
Thanks. That is a good thread on your build. I like to see how other guys did it. I am planning on doing the structure frame out of 1x2 steel. Hopefully, i will be able to use less of that than you used 2x4s and thust make it lighter. We had very similar ideas. I was wanted to do the swing arm. I was hoping it would go up and down faster. My cabinet design is a bit different too. Finally, I was going to use a diesel heater instead of a propane heater. Might have some questions down the line for you about wiring. in the end, about how much did yours weigh?
flyfish59102
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Center supports on those back to sections might not be a bad idea. I’m not an engineer but most commercial ones have them. Still trying to figure out the bubble wrap idea?? Foam everything, it really adds to a tight, ridged house.
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Absolutely on the center support. I think a full spine support is probably the best, IMO. Frame rigidity is a must when bouncing over a rough lake, ice, and gravel roads. Things flex when really cold, then the cracks appear....
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That’s another reason to foam.
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Thanks. That is a good thread on your build. I like to see how other guys did it. I am planning on doing the structure frame out of 1x2 steel. Hopefully, i will be able to use less of that than you used 2x4s and thust make it lighter. We had very similar ideas. I was wanted to do the swing arm. I was hoping it would go up and down faster. My cabinet design is a bit different too. Finally, I was going to use a diesel heater instead of a propane heater. Might have some questions down the line for you about wiring. in the end, about how much did yours weigh?
I cut all my 2x4's down to 2x3's then cross braced the walls. My shacks weighs approximately 3000 lbs when loaded with beer, I mean gear!
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Ok, ok. Rear center supports it is. No new pic to add at the moment. I am flippin tired. Spent all day getting everything to fit together the way I wanted. That took way longer than I thought it would. probably would have gone faster if I had 1\2 a clue about what I was doing, which I don't.
Then I started drilling holes for the swing arm axles. That was a s#!%show. Before you ask, yes I was using machining oil and yes I had drill press going as slow as it would go. Still burned out my circular bit. Went to go buy a fancy better one and store was out of the components I needed. That's a problem with living in the back of beyond. The next closest store that might have what I need is 80 miles away. :'(
Time to shop on Amazon's evil empire.
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Well, I managed to find an arbor for the diablo bit. Turns out the neighbor had one that I was able to borrow for a day. Mine is now in transit from Amazon's evil empire. Either way, I was able to get the holes drilled and measure out my shaft covers that will hold the axel. The final design will a cover welded over the inside edge, but I am still roughing out everything. Once I get the shafts cut it will be time to work on the swing arm assembly. The shear strength on the shafts is 45,000 lbs. That should be enough for a shack with axles designed to hold less than 3,500 lbs. Now watch me break one because if anyone can, I can do it. Here are some pics of the progress. Also, no center beam has been added yet in the rear. That is next. It also might be time to take an hour or two for shop clean up and organization.
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Most of the way done with my swing arm assembly now. Need to drill the hole for the pivot point and add handles. I am also going to add ski fenders like what Zack Shack/Daq Shack does. That might end of happening later in the process though. It is about time for me to order my siding materials so I can start working on that part of the project. Any suggestions about a sturdy material to use for the ski/fender? What metal or how thick? I thought of fiberglass, but I am afraid it would shatter in the super cold weather when it got hit with a flying rock.
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wrong pic on that last one....
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This is the pic I meant to post.
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Is it just the picture? What size are those wheel/tires? The look tiny?
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Looks like 205/15's to me.....
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Must be the black wheels that create the illusion if that’s the size.
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Let's hope they're at least that size, wouldn't want to see us get blamed for the wrong size...... ;D
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The tires are 15 inches. Lol. They are good sized tires. I kinda took the pics at an angle. No pictures today. I got the frame all welded over the weekend and I go the swing arms all the way done. Now, I just have to get the swing arms installed. That should be nice and easy or it should be completely miserable hard to say at the moment. All I know is that getting everything perfectly measured out is going to be a son of a gun.
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Life has been a wee bit busy kind of getting in the way of my project. Did a bunch of work on the front trailer tounge assembly this weekend. Works well, painted now and waiting for it to dry.
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I also completed the rear ramp. Frame for actual structure is next. It better be cold with lots of ice this year because welding in 90 degrees sucks.
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Well, got the tongue assembly completed, painted and put together. I think it looks pretty good and it ever works. Score one for the good guys.
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This project is kicking my hind end. Should have paid more attention in physics. Wasn't it Archemedes who said "Give me a lever long enough and I will move the world." Either way, round one of my lever system was too hard to raise shack with weight of structure. I measured by putting building supplies on it and trying to raise it. Didn't work ...well...at least not without a lot of force so back to the drawing board. I redesigned the lever and angle of attachment and now I can raise and lower with about 10lbs of force with all building supplies for structure. Here is the updated pics. This week, construction of actual shack starts.
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Do you have 2 speed winches?
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And take the handles off the winch and make adapters so you can use a battery drill on them!! ;)
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Ice Nutz! If you don’t have 2 speed, get them. Remember to that the less cable you have on a winch the lower the gear ratio and the easier to crank.
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so, I only have a winch on the front. The side wheels are raised and lowered using the bar as a lever and just using your own strength. I tried to design it like a Zack Shack. The idea it to be super mobile so I can drop and fish fast and move to a new location in under five minutes if I want too without any worry about cranking it up or down, running out of drill batteries or any other nonsense. Just grab the bar, push down, insert pin. The shack goes up and I can move. I am going to make the fender for the wheel a ski so I can use the lever arm to go the other way to put down a ski instead of a wheel when there is a lot of snow. I just ordered a sheet of one inch thick HDPE to make the ski out of.
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Started work on the actual structure last night. The metal I had was pretty rusty. Had to polish it down before I could get a reliable weld. Each one is pretty strong and only weighs about 10lbs. I weigh 220 and I could hang on them.
Flyfish59102
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Things are moving along. Slowly but surely I am getting it together. Ribbs are up. Few reinforcements and then the walls... and just for fun, one image down and one image up on the wheels.
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Isn't there a saying about the last 10 percent of a building project taking 90 percent of the time? Totally living that right now. I got the nose built. I got the floor put in. Last night I added the handles to the swing arms. Now it is time to cap the swing arms, paint the new work and add door framing around the rear door.
Then, build front door and frame. Hopefully siding soon. I bought some spray foam insulation, so that is next. With any luck, that will start going in this weekend.
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If you are not a member of the Facebook group Fish House Fabricators, I would seek them out. Lots of experienced people on there, some build new houses every year and sell the previous one. Every question you can think of has been asked on there.
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Looking good flyfish 👍👍
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So the welding is done. Burned up a few shirts and pairs of gloves. Also, I am proud to say I only used $200 of my designated $500 budget for the "wow, you really #&^@@# up that weld budget. Now I am onto siding.
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Thank you for the advice on fishhouse fabricators for Facebook. Never heard of it. I am going to look it up.
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Good progress!! Enjoy these builds and following along!
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Thanks. I am posting what I do and how I am doing it so other people can see. It has been an adventure. It is taking a lot longer than I thought it would. The welding took longer because I had to do some re-engineering. I also didn't know how to weld in March of this year. I have been learning during this project. I suppose that is always the case when you are not a professional engineer or even a moderately knowledgeable welder.
Even when you are an engineer every once in a while, you build a lemon. Look how many recalls there are on cars. After all Pontiac actually produced the "Aztec". They could hardly give that P.O.S. away and I guarantee there was more money, expertise and time put into that horrible vehicle than some amateur guy with a scratch pad and an idea sitting in a lawn chair in his garage. All I know is that I am tired of having cold wet feet and this should solve the problem.
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Sorry, but I think you’re gonna learn a lot from this adventure too and your next house will be a lot better.
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My next project will be learning to weld aluminum. The next house will be a lot lighter if I make one. This one is pretty light but I think I could have done better and cut some weight in a few areas. I also think I could have done better on how I designed the floor. Less metal in the side to side support and more metal in front to back support. What the heck, making it has been more fun than buying it. It will make for better stories too.
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Enjoying this thread - that's how you learn!
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Enjoying this thread - that's how you learn!
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It's fun seeing something develop from a pile of steel. I would have purchased the dropdown trailer from Miltona and started with that. My welding is not that good and it would be known as the crooked fish house when I got done building the frame.
Nice work.
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I thought of doing that. Who knows. It could still turn into a colossal #^@% up. I have measured, re-measured and re-re-measured every angle I couldn't tell you how many times. Hopefully I can finish getting it covered this weekend. I was out of town last week so no knew pics. The snow has started, and I am thinking of some nice hard ice in my not-too-distant future.
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Don't you hate it when life gets in the way of having fun. Nothing but work, work and more work. I haven't made nearly as much progress by now as I would have hoped, but here are some pictures updating where the project is at.
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So, I decided that the spray foam insulation wasn't as thick as I hoped it would be. That and it was freaking expensive. So, I added another layer of foam insulation over top of it for a total of three inches of insulation on every side. If that doesn't keep me warm when it is colder than heck out there I don't know what will. Current weight estimate is 1,300lbs. Now I need to work on finishing the outside details, putting the floor in and running the electric. Already thinking about how much running the electric all over the place will completely suck. I decided to go with running wires through plastic conduit so when there are wiring problems in the future, which there will be because there always are, I can get to it and repair it easily without ripping off any walls.
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Let the trimming of the doors begin. 2 hours and I got 1/2 of one door done... this is going to take a while.
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The build continues when time allows. I managed to finish welding an inner frame from the spear fishing holes and get the panels installed. Then I cleared out the inside of the shack and started putting in the rubber floor. It is 1/2 way glued down. I figured adding the plywood and tires would make it dry flatter. Seemed like a good idea at the time. I guess I will see if it worked tonight when I get home.
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You’re 1st post was June 19th. Most have no clue how much work building a house is.
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I did think I would have it done sooner than this. I must say that the real problem is I have a job that takes way too many nights and weekends, a wife and two kids that take up the rest of my time and I do need to sleep every now and again. It is getting there though. I thought it would take me two or three months. Missed that guess just a little bit.
Otherwise, the trim work on the outside is now done. Yipee, I am down to building a small counter inside and installing the electric then I am good to go. I hope....
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The last 10% of any construction project takes 90% of the time. The structure is complete. Now it is down to installing the interior features. I am goign to skip a lot of the pictures because it will take to long to upload them. Either way, here are a few. I am taking a few hours a night and doing it a bit at a time. Things are not looking good for bieng done this season.
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And more pictures of finishing the inside. Boy oh boy is copper wire expensive right now. I thought I was getting copper not solid gold.
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And now I am wiring even more lights. And more lights, and more USBs and more 12v hook ups for accessories. Good grief am I sick of running wire. I think I am putting the hardware store owner's kid through medical school.
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Coming along nicely!!
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No new pictures to add because this weekend's work isn't visible. As a heat source I bought a diesel heater. For anyone who cares, they are crazy energy efficient and kick out a ton of heat. Everything has a drawback, and the drawback for them is that the have a pump that is freaking loud and annoying as all he!!. Really, who wants to be warm when you are spending your time grinding your teeth thinking about eating a pistol because of the never-ending ticking that sounds like a woodpecker beating a hole into your soul caused by the furnace.
I tried a few different options to correct the problem. There is a sound insulator that fits over the pump. That helped a little, but not much. There is also a dampener that fits onto the fuel line. That reduced the noise really well, but then the heater didn't work. That kind of kills the point of the sound dampener and the heater. The best solution I found was to build a wooden box around the heater and line it with automotive sound insulation. That reduced the noise of the pump by around 70%. The remaining noise seems to be vibration coming off of the fuel line. I think that maybe I can insulate vibration and sound from that by wrapping it in foam or some kind of material. If I can reduce the noise just a bit more it would be perfect.
Otherwise, I got the RV electrical box, converter, charger installed and wired in. I was also able to get the line run to the outside of the shack to hook up the power to shore power to charge everything inside of the unit. Didn't actually get that wired into the plug yet. Ran out of steam around 8:45 and the idea of putting three wires into three matching connections points seemed like way to much work. I suppose the good news is that all of the power ports, buttons, lights, ect.... all work on the first try and I didn't light anything on fire, fry anything important, shock myself, or even blow a single fuse. I am not an electrician, so I will put that down my success to some extreme luck, a lot of planning and working slowly and deliberately.
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Shore power has been established. Goodness gracious. It took months longer than expected, but finally, the wiring is done. I plugged into the wall in my shop last night and my power converter started humming to life. Then I plugged a random took into a power outlet inside of the trailer and it worked. IT'S ALIVE.... insert evil cackle here. The batter started charging up, all of the lights worked, all of the plugs worked, the heater fired up. This morning I checked, the garage hadn't burned down, and everything was still working.
So, here is a question for you wiring guys who may know what you are doing. The inverter converter is installed and hooked up but now how do I make it so that my batteries charge off of my truck while am hauling the damn thing around?
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Use a seven pin connection to your tow vehicle so you have a 12v power source.
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I have a seven-pin connection. Do I just connect it to the positive line coming off of the battery in the trailer then? I guess it would just charge to the same level as my vehicle battery and I wouldn't have to worry about overcharging the batteries? Admittedly, I am just guessing here. I have zero idea. All previous wiring, I have done on a trailer has been replacing old wire or routing new wire and hooking it up where the old wire was previously connected. I never really understood the theory of what went where and why....
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I would run a separate, heavier, wire to the positive post of the battery of the ice shack. You should be able to Google a wiring diagram for a seven pin rv connector.
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Check out [email protected] He has made a silent diesel heater fuel pump.
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So here is the sound box I came up with. I managed to reduce the sound of the pump by about 70%. The only sound now seems to be coming from the hard plastic line. I am going to try and add some insulation around that and I suspect it will reduce the sound/vibration about 50% of what is left. In all fairness, it is pretty darn quiet right now. The box is lined with two layers of automotive sound insulation the opening has a few layers of felt to reduce vibration there.
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I built the box bigger than I needed to because I bought a few different devices to cut down on the noise from amazon. The rubber housing for the pump works ok. There was another thing that you added to the line that was a dampener. That did not work at all. Well, it reduced the heck out of the sound, but it caused my heater to not get the correct amount of gas, smoke like crazy and constantly stop working with error codes. Given the choice between a functioning heater that made noise and a quiter heater that didn't work, I went with "makes some noise" option instead and called the $14 dampener a loss.
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The interior detail work continues. I built small shelves with lights on the bottom that go over the holes. The lights are both black lights and white lights. Now I need to get those wired in. The idea is that the individual fisherman can illuminate the lights over their own holes in front of them to illuminate their own holes or to tie on new lures without disturbing everyone else in the shack. I figure the shelf would be useful to put bait or lures on while changing stuff out. We shall see, seemed like a good idea at the time. I also finally got around to sanding down the door and hanging it on the cabinet so I didn't trip over it and break it.
Also, looking at the general crap on the floor, it is probably time to do a major clean up before I start the next phase of my construction operation. It is getting a wee bit cluttered in there.
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Work keeps getting in the way of fun and construction. Most of the work has been working on internal wiring for taillights when I have had the time this week. No real picture to show that since it is all inside of conduit and well, that makes for boring photos. I got it put in and the taillights work and that is good. I ran the wire through conduit on the inside of the shack under the theory that wiring for trailers always gets f#$@ed up. This way I can replace it super easy...I hope. I figure if it is in conduit inside of the trailer it is also less likely to get messed up. We shall see. Once I finished the wiring I worked on another interior project. I wanted a fish finder holder that folded up out of the way. Note the 12v plug in next to it so I can run it off the large batteries in the shack when I want too. Here is what I came up with. Thoughts?
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Looking good!!! :thumbsup: :bow:
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I don't think she is going to hit the ice this year. Life has just been too busy. I haven't even cut the holes in the floor yet. Hoping to do that this weekend. Only major stuff left, is cutting the holes, running lights on the sides, staining the woodwork, insulating the floor, and putting on the rubber roof. At least, I think that is all that is left. There is always something else to do.
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Nice. I'm really enjoying seeing the updates.
Some unsolicited advice: after having spent hours upon hours rewiring taillights, I hope you leave plenty of slack for years of trimming. I also really like using bullet plugs, or even spade plugs. Usually it's the light plug or connection that goes first, only having to repair one end is nicer, and saves effort of you don't have to splice in new line because you ran out of excess
You look like a pro at this, though, so I'm sure you planned well ahead for all the eventualities
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I am so NOT A PRO at this. That is why it is taking so long. Well, that and I have a day job that takes up days, nights and weekends. I actually work in an office all day long. I am not a mechanic, welder or in any other trade. Just a boring office dwelling dweeb with a dream about having a cool shack I couldn't afford to buy. I did leave six inches of extra wire for the taillights on either side so that I could replace or rewire them if I needed to. I did that with all the interior lights as well. I have had to rewire lights in trailers before. That little bit of extra wire can cut down on a lot of cursing down the road. This is the first build of this kind I have ever attempted.
Last night I managed to wire in the "lower hole lights". I think they look pretty good. Originally, they were going to go on the bottom of the shelf that holds the fish finder, but it turned out that the led strips could only be cut efficiently into three (3) feet lengths. Any shorter than that and a lot of extra wiring would have been needed because not all of the lights would have lit up on the strip. As a result, I had to make the place the attached longer. Hence the shelf. Make it up as I go a long I guess.
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I love the shelf idea anyway, makes great sense for nearby storage that is still out of the way. It's coming along awesome, can't wait to see the final product
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I am looking forward to seeing the final product too. ;D ;D
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This weekend was detail work weekend. Well, it was detail work after I fixed the diesel heater anyway. Turns out that while insulating the fuel line to cut down on pump noise I pulled it to close to the exhaust line. Rumor has it that the exhaust line gets hot. That means I melted the fuel line. Somehow, thank God, I didn't start a fire in the shack. Can't even say how completely pissed I would have been to burn the whole thing up his far into the project. I can't imagine the wife would have been overly impressed that I burned down the garage with her new Honda Pilot in it either. I suspect she would have had more of a headache at bedtime than usual.
So, once I fixed that little problem which only took about 4 hours, I added trim around my spear fishing holes, finished hooking up the wiring to the taillights and ran running lights down the side. Looking back, I should have run the running lights down the side earlier and then waited to hook up the wiring because I had to drill out about 2 dozen rivets and then re-rivet them once the wiring was done. Oh, well, live and learn. i didn't get to the main objective this weekend which was cutting fishing holes in the floor. Maybe one night this week or next weekend. Oh, the pics are before I cleaned up the corners on the trim for the spear fishing holes. I made it look a bit prettier for the final product but never did take a picture.
One delay I must admit was taking a few hours to clean up the colossal mess I had made during construction in the shack and in the garage. Once the mess in the shack was cleaned up, I closed the doors and just sat in there in my chair for about an hour and looked at how cool things were coming along.
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I was online looking at designs for a spare tire carrier. I wanted to see how other designs looked before I welded one. I supposed I could buy one, but I have built the rest of the shack and it seems kind of lazay to buy one now. Either way, while I was looking at designs an add came up for a wheel cover that you can get customized. Here is my idea so far. It was either this or "Nice Tent Peasant". I am open to other suggestions.
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The wiring continues, slowly but surely. I feel like I am running out of things to wire. There always seems to be something else left to hook up though. The box of accessories I bought to wire in is getting pretty empty at least. I think that means I am near the end of wiring. I got the fans wired in last night. I used computer fans because they draw almost no electricity and do a decent job of circulating the hot air from the top down to where I need it need it to be. I ended up putting in three to move the air in a circular downward pattern. Might end up being excessive and I might take some out later on down the line or add some depending on how they work.
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Good call 9n the computer fans. I've Eben seen those set up on a switch to manually control the speeds. They do move a ton of air for the size and power draw. Plus nice and quiet.
Did you remember to wire in the surround sound speakers? How about the coffee cup warmer?
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No wiring for surround sound or a coffee maker. I am going to have a propane burner on the counter. I can use that to boil water for my french press coffee maker. You get a few grounds in the bottom, but coffee should be a little bit chewy. The kind of fishing I do around here tends to be very shallow. 10 to 20 feet. I am afraid if there is too much sound it will travel through the ice. So, no surround sound. The joys of technology allow for wireless earbuds, so those will have to do. The shack isn't big enough that I will be out of Bluetooth range.
I haven't' had it out yet. I have been finishing the inside and the trim before I move it out of the garage, which is going to be a pain in the a$$. I don't want to try and get it back in. Once I get it out, I still have to put the rubber roof on it. I need a weekend to be able to do that, the problem is I am running out of weekends, and I have to work the next three weekends. That only leaves one weekend of ice fishing season left around here. I don't think she will hit the lake until next year. I guess I should change the name of the post to Questions and Advice for Constructing a Wheelhouse for 2022 - 2023 and on to 2024....
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Oh, and I tried to wire in a variable speed dial to turn the speed of the fans up and down. All I did was fry the motor in one of the fans with it. Looks like they are all the way on or all the way off. The dial also made the most wonderful little electronic whining noise. Kind of like a mouse caught in a blender that never quite dies or runs out of breath. It was decidedly unappealing.
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After working for the weekend, I managed to get some additional plastic added to the walls around furnace to protect the wood from fish slime and splashing. I also started cutting holes in the floor. Kind of funny that I am finally doing that since I ordered the hole covers back in May.
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So, looking at the pictures I know it looks like the holes went in halfa$$3d, but I swear they didn't. There was a plan there. The shack is designed so one fisherman sits with his back on one side and the other fisherman sits with his or her (don't want to be sexists here) on the other side. That way it is easier to talk. Then, I spaced the holes out as far away from each other as I could while at the same time putting them in so they didn't hit any of the support steel under the decking.
In most lakes where I am, you are only allowed two rods. If I go to other areas, you are allowed as many as six rods. It will be tight with six rods each, but if you are allowed six rods, why not have six holes per person. I figure two holes can be put into the spear fishing openings plus four more holes per fisherman. That was the idea anyway. I might end up installing holes for rod holders into the floor so that rod holders can be put in and taken out depending on how many rods are being used. Still chewing on that idea. I think I have enough decking left that my 4 wheeler won't go through the floor when I am hauling it around though.
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So here is why this project takes so freaking long. When you are building something from scratch you are fabricating almost every single little thing. Good grief. Sometimes it fits, sometimes you have to make it fit, sometimes you have to modify it to fit and sometimes you have to modify the shack to make it fit. Either way, last night I spent 4 hours putting in two latches to hold down the lid to my spear fishign holes. I got the damn things in though. Only one bloody knuckle, several dozen swear words, and a broken screwdriver.
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Been a while since I posted about the build. Spring turned to summer, summer to fall and now fall to winter. Life got in the way of my project, but it is still moving forward slowly. I make a weather/snow and Ice Break to cover the air intake for the furnace. That project turned out to be bigger and take way longer than I thought it would.
The interior is done, the trailer lights are wired. Last night I was putting in a window and at least got the hole cut out. I also built my skis, but I haven't put them on yet. Funny as it sounds, I won't be able to get it out of the garage if the skis are attached. That would suck. So, I fabbed the skis and they are ready to go. All I can do it hope I have enough welding cord to reach the alley.
So here are the pic updates.
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Still working on getting things done. I made a mistake putting in a window. Cut the #$@ing hole to big. I think i was able to patch it up to make it look decent though.
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And last night, I completed the install on window number 2. It went a lot easier the second time. Almost like i knew what I was doing. Then I added some spray foam insulation around the edges to make sure it is sealed up tight. Hell, i have insulted the hell out of the inside of this thing, why leave any last little gap to chance. I am goign to be sitting in this bad by wearing shorts and a Hawaiian shirt.
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Launch day was on Saturday. I got it out of my garage with about 1/2 a millimeter to spare on height for the door. Measure twice, cut once. It was close enough to make me nervous anyway. I had a movie of the launch, but IceShanty doesn't seem to allow me to post it. No biggie, there is a super fuzzy screenshot of me dragging it down the alley with the old Honda.
Low speed tows worked really well, but since I don't have plates on it, I didn't really get it up to highway speed just yet. Need to get the wiring lined up for the trailer lights. The wiring is already in, it just haven't matched it to the correct pin. I know I could have used a diagram, but when does that actually work....
I also got the PVC roof on it. No leaks on this bad boy. Let is snow, let it rain, let it hail because I am good to go.
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Just make sure you let a little air out of the tires, in case it warms up before you try to put it back inside :P
Looking real sharp, I'm excited for you to finally out it to use!
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It isn't going to fit back inside. ;D It was touch and go getting it out, and that was before I put the PVC roof on it. To get it out, I had to cut 3/8 in steel bars into sections. I put it under the frame, with the wheels up, and rolled out on those. I had to use the winch on my truck to pull it out. When I say it was touch and go, it was so close, the roof scraped on the top of the door. I didn't think it was going to make it for a minute.
Now, I need to finish insulating the floor and get it registered. For some reason, the diesel heater started giving me fits last night. That reminded me why I should have put an access panel next to the heating unit. I guess it will give me something to do this weekend.
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