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Title: ITS TIME
Post by: ksgoosekillr on Jan 14, 2019, 10:55 AM
This weekends forecast should get us kick started. Anyone know starting thicknesses? I know most of the areas i fish are skimmed over should be a solid 4" after fri/sat.
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Post by: Flint on Jan 14, 2019, 03:17 PM
Maybe out west but not North east. I just got back from Clinton back waters and there’s no ice there.
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Post by: haugboss on Jan 14, 2019, 07:31 PM
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Title: Re: ITS TIME
Post by: Pomona on Jan 14, 2019, 09:36 PM
It is gonna happen fellas!!!! Bring it on, bring it on!
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Post by: ksgoosekillr on Jan 16, 2019, 09:09 AM
i take that back... the weather people couldn't predict a stoplight.
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Post by: gediger on Jan 16, 2019, 12:35 PM
Yep I’m not going to hold my breath. Probably is going to get just cold enough to freeze everything and mess up the last week of duck season.
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Post by: Pomona on Jan 17, 2019, 12:08 AM
Ducks, who cares about ducks, I wanna catch some crappie through the ice!!!
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Post by: gediger on Jan 17, 2019, 07:15 AM
Not that it really means anything but the forecast after Monday looks to turn cold and stay cold for about 2 weeks.
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Post by: Flint on Jan 17, 2019, 01:32 PM
I’m watching but just don’t want to jinx it :unsure:
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Post by: postman on Jan 17, 2019, 05:43 PM
Ksgoosekiller - any ice forming on any of the lakes your way? I had plans of next weekend but if ice hasnt been forming yet, not sure it will be ready
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Post by: ksgoosekillr on Jan 18, 2019, 07:18 AM
skim ice at best in coves, nothing solid in any form. The weather forecast has been modified to now show highs of mid 40's as far out as it can go instead of highs at 32 and lows in teens. I see nothing promising in the forecast for this weekend, or future. Think its time to modify the boat for this new Livescope ive been anxiously waiting to use on the ice.
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Post by: postman on Jan 18, 2019, 12:13 PM
Thanks goosekiller. Weatherman breaks my heart every year....theyre real good about forecasting extreme cold temps....only to come back later with warmer forecast.
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Post by: lovetofishnow on Jan 23, 2019, 04:59 PM
Anyone know if there are fishable ice either at Kirwin or glen Elder at this time?
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Post by: Alumacraft on Jan 23, 2019, 07:27 PM
Anyone know if there are fishable ice either at Kirwin or glen Elder at this time?
Kirwin was open Sunday Morning.
Title: Re: ITS TIME
Post by: ksgoosekillr on Jan 24, 2019, 08:31 AM
Anyone know if there are fishable ice either at Kirwin or glen Elder at this time?

in short no.
there is no fishable ice on reservoirs in Kansas right now. I scouted both glen and wilson this past weekend and neither had ice that could support me 1 ft from shore, with lots of open water. Someone posted that the west end of wilson and hell creek had locked up. The ice is MAYBE 1/4" - 1/2" thick
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Post by: postman on Jan 24, 2019, 08:40 AM
Kirwin 1" this morning on north side....less on south side with multiple pockets of open water.
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Post by: ksgoosekillr on Jan 24, 2019, 09:27 AM
tue-wed-thur of this week has ice making temps, however forecast before and after looks horrible. Im really beginning to doubt this year.
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Post by: A0fisher on Jan 24, 2019, 11:45 AM
Anyone know if there are fishable ice either at Kirwin or glen Elder at this time?

There is no ice in KS.  No fish either.  Stay in Colorado!  Trout and perch is better than anything you'll catch in Kansas anyway.   ;D
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Post by: Broll89 on Jan 25, 2019, 08:08 PM
Sorry A0fisher.  Colorado has been over run with people so the natives are gonna start heading ur way, or north.  There are lakes here where u go out and see 150 huts on a weekend trying to catch slime balls.  Not my cup of tea.  Tough ice season for sure, or lack there of
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Post by: Pomona on Jan 26, 2019, 07:15 PM
There were people on Perry today, big balls or no sense! Pomona had 2" when I checked it last night, I think I will pass until next weekend!
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Post by: haugboss on Jan 27, 2019, 07:26 PM
Fish Rock Creek Perry today 5" of ice
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Post by: lovetofishnow on Jan 28, 2019, 10:29 AM
Glen Elder got 3.5 in of ice this past weekend.
Title: Re: ITS TIME
Post by: ksgoosekillr on Jan 28, 2019, 11:35 AM
Glen Elder got 3.5 in of ice this past weekend.

anyone out giving it a try? My report still had a nice large open water hole on the west end...
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Post by: ToughShins on Jan 28, 2019, 02:26 PM
I was there from Thursday to sunday. Caught some nice WB the first day. Rest of the weekend all we caught was Jameson.  Ice was 2.5" on Thursday, 3.5 4" when we left on Sunday.  Fishing was slow overall for GE.
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Title: Re: ITS TIME
Post by: A0fisher on Jan 28, 2019, 02:32 PM
anyone out giving it a try? My report still had a nice large open water hole on the west end...

Fishing at Glen was extremely slow this weekend.  The ice was also starting to melt Saturday.  I don't know if it will hold given the warm temperatures on Sunday, and the winds today.  I heard from someone who went to Kirwin that it had no ice, certainly no fishable ice. 

Sorry A0fisher.  Colorado has been over run with people so the natives are gonna start heading ur way, or north.  There are lakes here where u go out and see 150 huts on a weekend trying to catch slime balls.  Not my cup of tea.  Tough ice season for sure, or lack there of
Go fish where ever you want.  I know lovetofishnow and was just messing with him.  Actually, I really did not understand why he came on here to ask about ice condition when I gave him ice condition earlier that day.  ???
Title: Re: ITS TIME
Post by: ksgoosekillr on Jan 28, 2019, 03:46 PM
I was there from Thursday to sunday. Caught some nice WB the first day. Rest of the weekend all we caught was Jameson.  Ice was 2.5" on Thursday, 3.5 4" when we left on Sunday.  Fishing was slow overall for GE.
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many guys out with you?
Title: Re: ITS TIME
Post by: kienkhang1205 on Jan 29, 2019, 09:52 AM
I was at glen on Sunday, 3 1-2 inch of cloudy ice,,can’t fine any fish at all, ice is not looking good at all becareful if venture out by yourself,,windy on Monday ice should melt and lot of open water,,kirwin only have 1 inch of ice not safe to fish,
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Post by: A0fisher on Jan 29, 2019, 11:47 AM
I was at glen on Sunday, 3 1-2 inch of cloudy ice,,can’t fine any fish at all, ice is not looking good at all becareful if venture out by yourself,,windy on Monday ice should melt and lot of open water,,kirwin only have 1 inch of ice not safe to fish,

I think I saw you you guys in the distance.  You guys were at your usual spot, closer to the bridge.  Funny anyone with any real information on this website is actually from Colorado, not Kansas...  ;D 
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Post by: kienkhang1205 on Jan 30, 2019, 03:57 PM
1st time didn’t caught any crappies in KS but got some big cat fish lolzzz we went to 3 different lake all dead no life of fish at all, should be the weather make all the fish move to deep water, anyway will be fishing for jumbo perch casalcade ID this weekend and last ice trip for this year,,
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Post by: ksgoosekillr on Feb 01, 2019, 02:44 PM
anyone got a current ice thickness after the cold front? Lady working office at Glen says 3" which i find hard to believe considering how cold it was tue/wed.
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Post by: kienkhang1205 on Feb 01, 2019, 11:31 PM
Ice at glen change pretty fast, last year i fell through, 4 day before i fell in ice 10 inch, 4 day later 1 1/2 inch of ice hard to believe,,i was there last sunday ice is rotten,some spot it use a spud bar 1 punch water coming up and some spot you actually see water bobble up on to ice, Monday wind gust up to 45 miles so becareful,,
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Post by: postman on Feb 02, 2019, 06:33 AM
Weve been at glen last few days. Its deterioatating rather quickly. I was on ice 4-5" but holes are becoming more prevalent and it requires navigating. Side note....will craft was on the ice and broke through yesterday on west side of  the causeway area....
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Post by: mkeller on Feb 11, 2019, 07:02 AM
Saw people ice fishing at sebetha when we came back from nebraska yesterday.  Every time I go past I say I want to go there.
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Post by: Flint on Feb 11, 2019, 09:59 AM
Saw people ice fishing at sebetha when we came back from nebraska yesterday.  Every time I go past I say I want to go there.

Pony Creek?
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Post by: mkeller on Feb 11, 2019, 02:05 PM
Not for sure.  Along 75 hwy on the east side of the road.  Pretty good sized and had some standing timber.  Just north of sebetha if I remember right.
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Post by: Flint on Feb 11, 2019, 06:08 PM
Yep, that’s Pony Creek. Nice little lake.
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Post by: mkeller on Feb 11, 2019, 08:31 PM
My heart wanted to pull in and try it but we were in Nebraska for 3 days fighting the wind and cold and ready to get home.  Thinking of going back up and trying burchard lake this weekend and may look at pony creek while up that way.
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Post by: postman on Feb 11, 2019, 10:08 PM
Im actually heading there Friday for the 1st time.
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Post by: mkeller on Feb 12, 2019, 06:38 AM
Awesome postman.  Planning on being up there myself in that area.  Considering staying in sebetha so I can fish there and burchard lake in Nebraska.
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Post by: ksfowler on Feb 23, 2019, 11:26 AM
Anyone been out to glen elder lately? According to the fishing report there’s 7” of ice in places. Looking at the forecast it’s not going away anytime soon
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Post by: postman on Feb 23, 2019, 09:33 PM
Im sure Glen has ice. May be slow but better than work.
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Post by: lovetofishnow on Feb 24, 2019, 08:35 AM
I was at Glen last weekend, 4" of ice.  Fishing was SLOWWWWWWW; 3 crappies and 1 white bass in 2 days.
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Post by: ksgoosekillr on Feb 24, 2019, 04:46 PM
I was there tuesday and Saturday. The ice is NOT SAFE. Boller point has 4", with 2" of slush on top. Giant patches where thickess drops to 1.5". Took a spud bar out was the only guy there sat morning and decided not to risk it. I tore them up Tuesday though on 6-7" of ice.
Title: Re: ITS TIME
Post by: postman on Feb 25, 2019, 07:23 AM
Hey Goose. Curious if boller ramp still had high current when you went.
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Post by: ksfowler on Feb 26, 2019, 07:55 AM
Looking at the forecast up that way it's not supposed to get above freezing for the next week. May have to do a March ice fishing trip just to say I did.
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Post by: Flint on Feb 26, 2019, 10:24 AM
Looking at the forecast up that way it's not supposed to get above freezing for the next week. May have to do a March ice fishing trip just to say I did.

I heard that.
Title: Re: ITS TIME
Post by: ksgoosekillr on Feb 26, 2019, 01:58 PM
Hey Goose. Curious if boller ramp still had high current when you went.

there always is some current over there but i would not call it high current by any means. its enough to move a light jig but not a spoon.
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Post by: ksgoosekillr on Feb 27, 2019, 10:01 AM
Wilson has 8" of solid ice today at horseshoe.
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Post by: lovetofishnow on Feb 27, 2019, 08:24 PM
Took a peek at the weather forecast for the next ten days and I see ice fishing through half the month of March.  When you said you tore it up ksgoose, what kind, crappies or whites?
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Post by: Sorny on Mar 01, 2019, 05:18 AM
anyone been on the ice at Kirwin?
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Post by: A0fisher on Mar 01, 2019, 09:11 AM
We went to Kirwin 2 weekends ago.  The ice was 5" where we were.  Slow morning on for us.  We saw 2 other groups.  I imagine the ice only got thicker since then.  This weather is insane.  There's probably going to be ice into mid March.  I was ready for ice in January.  Now, my mind is on open water...  You folks enjoy that ice.  I wonder if the walleyes are going to spawn under the ice this year? 
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Post by: CaptainT16 on Mar 01, 2019, 10:30 AM
Fisher, I've been wondering the same thing with the Walleye spawn coming soon, or should be.  LOL

Anyone heard or seen any new ice thickness reports from Glen? 
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Post by: ksfowler on Mar 02, 2019, 06:02 AM
I heard there's about 8" on glen but it's really rough ice.
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Post by: eyecrosser65 on Mar 02, 2019, 09:59 AM
The Walleye spawn is temperature dependent; not month dependent; so when the ice is finally gone and the lakes start to warm above 42 degrees; the walleye will begin their annual spawn; may be April sometime this year. Have a feeling our temps will warm quickly once this ice is gone but never know in Kansas. Research shows that once ice is gone from a lake the water temps shoot up to 40 degrees rather quickly; then air temps and sunlight are important to get it to climb from there. There have been late winters like this in the past where I've caught lots of Walleyes walk trolling on Glen Easter weekend.  If you guys were kidding just ignore my post; just throwing my .02 cents in to what I've experienced myself in the past.
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Post by: Flint on Mar 02, 2019, 12:09 PM
The Walleye spawn is temperature dependent; not month dependent; so when the ice is finally gone and the lakes start to warm above 42 degrees; the walleye will begin their annual spawn; may be April sometime this year. Have a feeling our temps will warm quickly once this ice is gone but never know in Kansas. Research shows that once ice is gone from a lake the water temps shoot up to 40 degrees rather quickly; then air temps and sunlight are important to get it to climb from there. There have been late winters like this in the past where I've caught lots of Walleyes walk trolling on Glen Easter weekend.  If you guys were kidding just ignore my post; just throwing my .02 cents in to what I've experienced myself in the past.

Yep. Years ago it was often to not have ice out until March
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Post by: A0fisher on Mar 02, 2019, 01:16 PM
It was a serious question (not "kidding").  Do I believe there is 100% chance it will happen?  No.  Hence the question.  Some people believe photoperiod trumps water temperatures:
https://www.nefga.org/forum/fishing-and-hunting/nebraska-fishing-forum/1161603-walleye-spawn
http://www.lakestatefishing.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=513696

Based on what I have experienced and read, I believe the walleye spawn is predicated upon water temperatures and photoperiod.  A particular biologist in Nebraska believes that the spawn there begins on April 1st, with a little variation depending on the body of water:

"Walleye spawn in Nebraska? April 1.

Sure it varies a little from year-to-year, waterbody to waterbody, but April 1 is the target date. We do not start collecting walleye eggs until April 1, pretty much every year.

Oh yes, the males come early and stay late. You bet there are walleyes on or near their spawning habitats right now, they start moving there in late winter under the ice."


 
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Post by: eyecrosser65 on Mar 02, 2019, 01:49 PM
I will stick with my theory on water temperature playing the major role and year in and year out what I've seen for the past 40 years is that the walleye are already in proximity to their spawning grounds by late fall to early winter; I, my son, and several friends catch numerous large females each year when the water temps reach 39-40 degrees in the same locations as we are catching many males weeks later when the temps rise into the mid 40's; all of the females we have caught during this time still have "green" or developing eggs (pale yellow) and they are feeding heavy to nourish these eggs before the spawn in the weeks to come. The majority of the spawning activity I have witnessed through the years when you actually can see fish "rolling" along our area dams; or males courting females around the spawning areas; the water temps have averaged between 44 and 50 degrees; not to say that there is not some minor spawning activity taking place before and after these temps stated are present. This is also why you  can follow the walleye spawn from their southern reaches to their northern most areas they inhabit and based on water temperature you could fish the spawn from the southern United States all the way into Canada if you chose to do so. I've also caught numerous males in late winter both through the ice and in open water; none have ever been "milting" freely at this time; however; when the spawn is in full swing; you can catch a male walleye and his milt with be flowing freely from him or just barely takes a small pressured squeeze for them to squirt this milt all over the ground or rocks; if you have fished the spawn you have witnessed this yourselves many times. When I'm fishing area lakes in Kansas during the prespawn, spawn, and post spawn; I'm a temperature hawk; I pay very little attention to photoperiodism as with deer hunting; I also have my own personal favorite wind directions and moon phases that I feel I catch more fish during and have tracked this through the years also.
 
Title: Re: ITS TIME
Post by: A0fisher on Mar 02, 2019, 02:22 PM
I've also caught numerous males in late winter both through the ice and in open water; none have ever been "milting" freely at this time; however;

You are indeed a temperature "hawk."  ;D  I am temperature and photoperiod agnostic.  ;)  Just for the sake of the discussion, your own words above would suggest that photoperiod plays a major role.  They aren't spawning in late winter because the photoperiod isn't right, ice or no ice.  It doesn't take many warm days to get the water temperature into the mid 40s once the ice melts. 
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Post by: eyecrosser65 on Mar 02, 2019, 02:49 PM
Photoperiodism relates to the length of days and nights; either increasing or decreasing; depending on the time of year; not whether it is a dark or full moon phase; when we spring ahead in the springtime and gain an hour; that to me has little affect on the fishing; other than the fact that it now subtracts an hour of my night fishing time from me. I'm going to use this year as an example with our current weather and ice conditions; not sure of the date this year that we put our clocks ahead; but guessing if our water temps say at Glen Elder are still at or below 40; we together could go fish at this time and  photoperiodism will do little to bring these walleyes to the banks to spawn; however; if we wait til the water temps reach 44-50 we will see increased activity along the banks; catch rates of male walleyes will increase; while catch rates of the now spawning females will decrease as they are now focused on spawning as opposed to eating like they were when the temps were in the high 30's to low 40's. So really; the upside to photoperiodism is that I won't have to turn my headlamp on as quick; therefore saving battery life vs. the downside of losing an hour of night fishing.
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Post by: A0fisher on Mar 02, 2019, 03:01 PM
I am not sure why you felt the need to define photoperiodism and why you are talking about catching fish now???  The discussion was about walleye spawning.  And we are on the same page regarding the definition of photoperiod:  https://www.dictionary.com/browse/photoperiod
Or photoperiodism. 

Suppose this scenario:  water temperatures reach 45 in mid February.  Are the walleyes going to spawn?  According to your argument that tempertaures overrides photoperiod, they should.  But you have stated yourself earlier that they don't. 
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Post by: eyecrosser65 on Mar 02, 2019, 03:28 PM
I was merely stating that I don't go by photoperiodism when relating anything to the spawn myself; and having to do with fishing I was just stating when fishing during this period; this is what I have witnessed; as I don't travel to our area lakes without a rod and reel just to watch and see if the fish are on our lakes dams or not. I stated earlier that under the ice or with lower water temps that I don't believe they would spawn; however; if the water temps are at 45 degrees at this time; the walleyes will be there to spawn. I say this because as you travel south; walleyes and saugers are spawning sooner in southern lakes in which they inhabit due to the water temps being at their preferred range earlier; otherwise; all walleyes across the country would be spawning at relatively the same time based off of photoperiodism and the change in available light; and this is just not happening.
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Post by: A0fisher on Mar 02, 2019, 03:44 PM
You didn't answer the question:  45 degrees in mid February, are they spawning?  I make my first annual trip to Cedar Bluff almost every year in late March with my son during his spring break.  Depending on how late into March it is, some males are already almost out of milt.  When I go there in April, very few males have any milt.  A typical walleye spawn lasts 3 weeks.  This would put the beginning of the spawn in early to mid March.  I know from other people who have gone there during that time that they are starting to spawning at Cedar Bluff anywhere from early to mid March.  Your statement that if water reached 45 degrees now, they would be spawning is no surprise to me, and it is just circumventing the question. 

Yes, walleyes spawn during different months depending on the region.  But in each of those regions, they are not going to spawn simply because it's the "right" temperature range.  It also has to be the right photoperiod, or the right time of the year.  I am not a believer that they will spawn right on a specific date.  My observations is that the period can be shortened or lengthened by up to 2 weeks, depending on water temperature.  This based on walleye fishing I have done in three different states. 
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Post by: eyecrosser65 on Mar 02, 2019, 04:35 PM
I did answer that question in my last post; at 45 degrees; the walleyes will be spawning whatever lake they are in and whatever month in the late winter to early spring that temperature is reached. Different lakes with different sizes and depths and clarity will determine how fast the waters will warm to the desired spawning temps. In years past; with differing temps coming out of winter and into spring; I have witnessed the spawn occurring as early as the 1st week of March and as late as the 1st week of April; I've fished them in Kansas from El Dorado north to Lovewell and Glen Elder during these weeks of the spawn and our southern reservoirs in this state will normally start a week to 10 days earlier than our northern reservoirs; same holds true for Milford; one of our larger; clearer reservoirs; it can start a full week or more behind Glen Elder. I grew up in upstate New York and the walleye opener consistently started somewhere close to the walleye spawn and this was around May 12th. Given a late ice out and varying cold temps in that area of the country; the water temps were around the mid 40's by the 1st week or so of May on Oneida Lake; granted ; this lake has a surface area of 79.8 square miles and is 22 miles long and about 5 miles wide at its widest point; fairly clear and fed by natural rivers with no dams; so runoff as well as warming days played a part in the temperature of this lake and when the walleyes  spawned there. As May arrived;  the longer days helped warm the waters faster but the walleyes didn't begin spawning as soon as the length of the days there increased. This is why I don't pay attention to photoperiodism when referring to the walleye spawn itself; but it does help the water to warm faster as there is more available light during a longer period of the day to help warm them; but a severe cold front during this period can also knock them off the banks. Here in Kansas they don't last long enough to suspend the spawn but rather delay it a few days. In our northern states and Canada; they can last an extended period at times and long enough  in given years such as these; that many of the female walleyes will reabsorb their eggs and some year classes will be weak; which is why up north you have  strong year classes some years; and others not such strong year classes. Many of these lakes have natural reproduction and depend on a strong spawn; here in Kansas; that doesn't matter; as the majority of the walleye we are catching are stocked fish. Our natural reproduction in Kansas is poor at best; and looking at stocking reports and the numbers stocked into each lake here in our state can mislead some when you look at the numbers as the survival rate of stocked fry is relatively small as well and the reason so many go into these impoundments is so that a fishable number will remain after all forms of mortality are taken into consideration. As far as the full moon or dark moon phases and fishing are concerned; I look at 4 major time periods each day; sunrise and sunset; and moonrise and moonset in conjunction with weather patterns to choose my best days and times to fish both at night; as well as; during the daylight.
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Post by: A0fisher on Mar 02, 2019, 05:18 PM
So you have not witnessed them spawn in mid February...  All you are saying is more or less what I am saying.  March to April.  How is that different from: it still has to be the right time of the year?  The reason for that is simple:  animals and plants don't just rely on temperatures.  Suppose temperatures warm up really quickly one year.  Those plants that bud ealry, or fish that spawn early would not fare well if the weather cools back down to more normal temperatures subsequently.  Simply put, year over year, photoperiod in any region of the world is a better predictor of the season than temperature on any given day.  Animals and plants that ignore that are more likely to win the Darwin award. 
Title: Re: ITS TIME
Post by: eyecrosser65 on Mar 02, 2019, 05:42 PM
I've never myself witnessed them spawn  in mid February ; not trying to turn this into an argument; but have read reports from southern states and looked at spawning charts and the walleyes down in southern states will spawn as early as February if the water temps are where they need to be. Here in Kansas; definitely March to April; given weather, size of the reservoir and water clarity to determine when exactly during this time frame it will occur. As stated above also; there are plenty of years up north where exactly what you referenced occurs; it warms up and the walleyes begin showing at their spawning locations only to have an extended period of cold move in; they leave for deeper waters in proximity to their spawning grounds but if the weather stays cold they will reabsorb their eggs and the spawn that given year will fail; giving you a poor year class; the opposite holds true when conditions are perfect; many fish spawn, conditions remain stable and they end up with a strong year class that given year. I believe fish feel pressure changes but will not know what the weather will be doing a couple days out; they react to the given weather system that they are given at any one time. How many times have you seen; if you grow flowers, Krokuses or other early bloomers; come up and bloom when we have had very warm temps in late February or early March; only to be snowed on or have a late freeze and loose their petals and die off? I've seen this myself numerous times. If they knew the cold or snow was coming; why did they bother to bloom so early?
Title: Re: ITS TIME
Post by: A0fisher on Mar 02, 2019, 06:00 PM
It's not argument, unless we want it to be one.  We are having a discussion.  ;D 

No walleye spawn in mid February in KS.  Yes, they do spawn earlier in warmer states.  I think what's more relevant is the season.  In terms of weather patterns, spring or the transition into spring comes earlier or later, depending on the region.  I am well aware that plants sometimes bloom early.  If early bloomers die as a result of that, they don't get to pass on their genes.  The result is that the plants and animals that pay attention to photoperiod and temperatures, not just temperatures will do better.  There are variations in nature, but the plants and animals that do best will represent the bulk of the data points / observations.  Based on my own observations, I do believe some plants and animals respond more to temperatures and others respond more to photoperiod. 

Moving on fom the walleye spawn, when you get a gradual warm up that corresponds to the right time of the year, it's a fun white bass and crappie spawning season.   ;D
Title: Re: ITS TIME
Post by: eyecrosser65 on Mar 02, 2019, 06:53 PM
No argument here either from me; and absolutely agree that no walleye here in Kansas are spawning anytime in February. And as you stated along with Darwin; the strongest survive for sure. I myself as you love a gradual warm up for any of the spawning fish in Kansas; around here it seems that just as things get going good; we have a heavy rain; brings the rivers up and muddies the waters; particularly Tuttle Creek Reservoir; as for White Bass; love catching them both in the rivers or at night in several lakes off wind blown points or the dam where they are running. That is a blast.
Title: Re: ITS TIME
Post by: CaptainT16 on Mar 04, 2019, 07:57 AM
In other news, I made it to Glen on Saturday and nothing going on at all. Several of us tried everywhere out west and couldn't find anything.  Spoke with one guy around 5 p.m. and he had caught two in the morning and nothing after.  I finally caught my first one around 4:30 that afternoon.  Tough day out there. 
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Post by: A0fisher on Mar 04, 2019, 09:26 AM
I averaged 2.2 fish per day on two ice trips to Glen this year...  And the 0.2 matters when it's that slow.   ;D
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Post by: SLAYERFISH on Mar 04, 2019, 06:56 PM
I averaged 2.2 fish per day on two ice trips to Glen this year...  And the 0.2 matters when it's that slow.   ;D

Long way to be brutalized!
Title: Re: ITS TIME
Post by: postman on Mar 04, 2019, 07:59 PM
Almost wonder if the area lacks baitfish and fish are in main lake. Dont know. Its been awful slow this year.
Title: Re: ITS TIME
Post by: Flint on Mar 04, 2019, 08:13 PM
So are you guys seeing/marking fish?
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Post by: CaptainT16 on Mar 05, 2019, 09:15 AM
So are you guys seeing/marking fish?

I marked very little baitfish everywhere I drilled.  I drilled all over west of the causeway, as did several others. I would see some shad go through maybe once or twice every 10 minutes or so. It was bad and very surprising as usually the baitfish are thick out there.  Nothing chasing them at all.

Like someone mentioned, maybe they are still out in the main lake?  I'm contemplating on heading up there one more time on Sat to try it out? 

Thinking I may just take the 12 gauge out up there while fishing and whale on some snow geese, as that would've been a better option this past Saturday.  LOL
Title: Re: ITS TIME
Post by: A0fisher on Mar 05, 2019, 09:20 AM
Long way to be brutalized!
For sure...   :( :'(

Almost wonder if the area lacks baitfish and fish are in main lake. Dont know. Its been awful slow this year.
That's what I am guessing.  The fish we did catch were not as fat as they usually are this time of the year. 

So are you guys seeing/marking fish?
Not as many as usual.  And there is just a short window in the morning and another one around sunset.  There are almost no fish to be seen during the day time.  Most of the fish you see don't want to bite.  There is more current this year than in years past.  This could be causing the shad to not occupy the area in great numbers => fewer predator fish around?   
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Post by: ksfowler on Mar 05, 2019, 11:27 AM
Any reports on kanopolis?  I'd think the area around the tower would be getting close to being fishable
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Post by: postman on Mar 05, 2019, 06:14 PM
For sure...   :( :'(
That's what I am guessing.  The fish we did catch were not as fat as they usually are this time of the year. 
Not as many as usual.  And there is just a short window in the morning and another one around sunset.  There are almost no fish to be seen during the day time.  Most of the fish you see don't want to bite.  There is more current this year than in years past.  This could be causing the shad to not occupy the area in great numbers => fewer predator fish around?   
I do believe the current is a factor. Stronger than normal. Water dirtier than normal. And Flint, didnt mark much activity which leads me to believe baitfish is scarce west of causeway. I generally mark baitfish
Title: Re: ITS TIME
Post by: Flint on Mar 05, 2019, 08:34 PM
Wow sounds like tough fishing.
Title: Re: ITS TIME
Post by: IFF on Mar 11, 2019, 09:33 PM
Greets from Colorado:  As Slayerfish says long way to get brutalized, but If I don't get out of the house, I may get brutalized.  So with that thinking of later April and head to Cedar Bluff.  With boat in tow, if nothing else see how it runs at a lower elevation.  Any recommendations on camping at Cedar Bluff ?  Would think reservation would be wise at that State park.  Oh and there a bait shop near there ?  PM's accepted  ;D
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Post by: lovetofishnow on Mar 11, 2019, 09:47 PM
Bud,

You don't need reservation at Cedar Bluff State Park, lot of nice camp grounds in there.  We always pitched a tent in one of those nicely mowed camp grounds.  It doesn't have a electrical hookup but the area is big, has picnic table, and you probably can pitch 3 tents and still have room for your boat there.  There are also lots of camp spot for electrical hookup, just have to pay more  The gas station right outside of Cedar Bluff State Park sells minnows, worms, etc...
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Post by: IFF on Mar 12, 2019, 09:05 AM
Thanks fishnow, good to know. 
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Post by: A0fisher on Mar 12, 2019, 09:38 AM
I have never had trouble finding a camping spot at Cedar Bluff.  But, for peace of mind, you may want to reserve a spot.  There is a convenience store / gas station / bait shop near the entrance into the park:  https://goo.gl/maps/6BkfeMMyxQq

By the way, you can get an annual camping pass with electric and water hook up for about $600.  We see the same people and RVs there year after year.  It looks like they stay there for months.  Some of them appear to be retired folks. 
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Post by: IFF on Mar 12, 2019, 09:32 PM
 A0fisher thanks for the goggle map.  That helps a lot.  That way maybe even I could find my away around in the day light  ;D
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Post by: IFF on Mar 15, 2019, 08:28 AM
A0 spose $600 a year might be less than Storage ? and just leave them there year round ?
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Post by: A0fisher on Mar 15, 2019, 10:39 AM
A0 spose $600 a year might be less than Storage ? and just leave them there year round ?

I don't know if you could leave an RV there year-round.  It looks like you cannot stay more than 14 days at any given spot.  In terms of cost, it's $202.50 for an annual camping fee + $431.50 for an RV spot with water and electricity:  https://ksoutdoors.com/State-Parks/Park-Fees

I've been tinkering with the idea of calling it quit early and spending half a year in the KS state parks and then the other half further south.  ;D  $600 buck doesn't even cover my water bill for 6 months around here...