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False flags on the polar style.
« on: Feb 04, 2021, 11:45 AM »
I like to use the polar style tip ups, every once in a while,because they are so sensitive.  But seems like I get false flags a lot; due to shiners setting them off.  I know there's different ways to hook the flag, but are there any other ideas to keep these things from popping due to the bait.  I find myself always going back to my heritage lakers.   
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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #1 on: Feb 04, 2021, 11:51 AM »
There is a set screw on the shaft. The shorter the amount of shaft that sticks up, the harder it will be for the flag to trip. In other words, you'll be submerging the reel farther. Try having about an inch and a half or so sticking up, and experiment with it. It makes a difference. Good luck.

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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #2 on: Feb 04, 2021, 11:51 AM »
There is a set screw on the shaft. The shorter the amount of shaft that sticks up, the harder it will be for the flag to trip. In other words, you'll be submerging the reel farther. Try having about an inch and a half or so sticking up, and experiment with it. It makes a difference. Good luck.

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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #3 on: Feb 04, 2021, 12:06 PM »
Are you using the anti wind trip mechanism ..if not actually bending the flag rod some can help

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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #4 on: Feb 04, 2021, 12:20 PM »
You may have to rewind your tip up to achieve the methods in the diagram .



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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #5 on: Feb 04, 2021, 12:25 PM »
I would not bend the flag shaft. Eventually you'll be sorry you did and it'll never be straight again. The In-Fish article above is right on. Additionally if you tilt the spool shaft toward the direction your line comes off it will apply more pressure to make the flag pop. It is infinitely tunable and reversible.



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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #6 on: Feb 04, 2021, 01:19 PM »
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There is a set screw on the shaft. The shorter the amount of shaft that sticks up, the harder it will be for the flag to trip.
I always thought this same thing.  But Hardwater's page above has it the other way around.  The higher the spool is, puts more angle on the flag and harder to trip.  HMMMMM  I'll have to try it some day.  I still like the heritage lakers better  ;).    Thanks for the reply's. 
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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #7 on: Feb 04, 2021, 05:10 PM »
Use the line guide that spins around the spool, the little metal thing that slides up and down on the shaft, pinch the line inbetween the metal circle part to whatever tension you want
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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #8 on: Feb 04, 2021, 05:32 PM »
I always thought this same thing.  But Hardwater's page above has it the other way around.  The higher the spool is, puts more angle on the flag and harder to trip.  HMMMMM  I'll have to try it some day.  I still like the heritage lakers better  ;).    Thanks for the reply's.
Depends on which side of the vertical shaft you hook the flag on.
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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #9 on: Feb 04, 2021, 06:05 PM »
only so much you can do without mods.  when use large pike baits i hang a downrigger release off the wire loop.  that keeps big baits from tripping the flag.
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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #10 on: Feb 04, 2021, 06:13 PM »
This guy covers the adjustment to the polars pretty well, starts at 10:25.  A lot of things I have never thought of...
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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #11 on: Feb 04, 2021, 07:02 PM »
You can trim the tail on the shiner so it can't swim as well.  It's kind of a dick move, but you're gonna put hooks in it and feed it to another fish anyways.
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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #12 on: Feb 04, 2021, 07:39 PM »
You can trim the tail on the shiner so it can't swim as well.  It's kind of a dick move, but you're gonna put hooks in it and feed it to another fish anyways.

I've done that from time to time. Had one overly active chub that I trimmed 3 times before I cut the whole dang tail off. Still pulled the flag off and the 7th time time the flag popped it was a 39" musky...
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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #13 on: Feb 04, 2021, 10:47 PM »
Assuming you are targeting pike or walleye with shiners? Tighten the spool down a bit (the wing nut on top, thread it down farther). Pike dont care how tight it is, but obviously dont go overboard. Just tight enough so your bait doesnt trip it when it struggles. I've used 6" bluegills and 10" chubs on my polars.
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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #14 on: Feb 07, 2021, 08:56 AM »
i cant tighten the nut on top of the shaft enough to put drag on my polars.  not even enough threads to do so on the shaft.  i could put a tube over it and make up difference though!  you got me thinking and headed to garage now. lol
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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #15 on: Feb 07, 2021, 09:26 AM »
ok here is what came of the polar garage trip.  and i mean polar.  its like 10* out there. ;D

the thing i found to take up space on the shaft real fast was a extension spring.   1inch long was enough to take up the non threaded space on the shaft.  now i tighten it down it holds!  im not sold on how this will work though.  thas alot of tention for a fish to "run off with"  and we all know that the "run off and stop" with pike is important for hook setting!  im afaid the drag of spool will lead to tooo many drops unless i quick strike them.

anyhow here a pic and details:


i took everything off top of shaft.  the rubber washer the spring the t the nut and rubber cover for tip.  i took a 1" long extension spring and cut off the eyes on ends(see the unaltered one laying under the shaft).  i put on the rubber washer first then the modified spring then a steel washer then the t then the nut and rubber cap.  it now will tighten down all the way tight.  like i said though the drag could be counter productive.

im wondering if there cant be a mod made that releases the shaft tention after the first initial take?  like my down rigger release does.


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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #16 on: Feb 07, 2021, 09:31 AM »
the dwn rigger release deal.


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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #17 on: Feb 07, 2021, 09:55 AM »
I heard some anglers  move the bait keeper clip up the shaft ..along the the rubber grommet ..to increase the tension ..you could also take it apart and add grommets and/or castration ring .
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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #18 on: Feb 07, 2021, 10:03 AM »
I heard some anglers  move the bait keeper clip up the shaft ..along the the rubber grommet ..to increase the tension ..you could also take it apart and add grommets and/or castration ring .

do you mean like a band on shaft to put looped line up thru?  that could be worth some testing there!  would hold baited line like my release but with minimal added junk.

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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #19 on: Feb 07, 2021, 10:18 AM »
here is what i came up with from that idea.  just some wire and zip tie to hold line like a release.

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set with line in it.



notice i slid wire up to hold extra tight.  if you leave wire hang lower it holds less.  with it up it has pretty solid hold to tame large baits!  so far i like what im feeling and still a free line for fish to run off no wiser.  accept the quick strike rig in its lips.  ;D
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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #20 on: Feb 07, 2021, 11:13 AM »
Almost forgot this. Very simple and effective. All you need is a rubber band of suitable strength. https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=266318.0
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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #21 on: Feb 07, 2021, 11:19 AM »
i thought that was to set hook at a certain distance on the run?  i dont think it will hold large sucker from tripping the flag will it?
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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #22 on: Feb 07, 2021, 12:37 PM »
Yep. But no reason you couldn't use a very thin band and hook it so close the minnow can't pull it off but would break more/less easily when a good takes. If they really smack it and bolt they'll never notice. If they just suck it in and move off it might actually drive the hook into the fish enough that it stays pinned long enough for proper hookset. Certainly not guaranteed 100% but I don't thing anything would be much better than an 80% solution on this anyway.

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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #23 on: Feb 07, 2021, 01:15 PM »
ok i c.  or tuck it under the rubber band thats on spool.

ill play with it but i think i tried that rubber band deal back when it was posted.  i must not have liked it cuz  i stuck with the dwn rigger release.  this wire holder seems to hold with plenty of strength.  i can see where it mite get tangled if a bait swims in circles though.  i dont think that will be a huge problem though.  time will tell.
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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #24 on: Feb 09, 2021, 01:15 PM »
Thanks for all of the ideas guys...         
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Re: False flags on the polar style.
« Reply #25 on: Feb 22, 2021, 12:01 PM »
the latest bait holder i came up with.  tested 4 timers and never tripped.  even with a10" bass on it for bait!




just bend some wire.  only takes 5min.
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