well, I bought a spear, bought a deke, ( thanks to Jcrean), bought a hub, now i just need to get in the water, my chain saw bar, I doubt will reach through the ice we have here. I have a friend driving up to Tawas to see if he can borrow, a fish saw. the plan, chain saw as deep as we can, then hand saw the rest. My maiden trip is supposed to be this fri sat. we'll see. I am not going to go out and by a bigger chain saw!