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New York => Ice Fishing New York => Topic started by: tipup28 on Feb 07, 2018, 06:43 PM
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If you are fishing with another person are you allowed to put out their tip ups / lines for them? Also if you have already caught your personal limit for a certain species, if you caught more could you keep them and include them as part of the other persons limit? I know these questions might sound silly but I just want to clear up some confusions I had after reading the DEC regs. I fish at places where DEC officers patrol frequently, sometimes watch from a distance, I don't want to get slammed lol. Thanks for any info guys. Stay up top! ;D
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then why don't you call your regional office and ask them instead of a bunch of people on the internet that are no more informed then you?
I'm not being mean ,I'm telling you the best answer
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If the limit of perch is 50..once you catch and ice your 50 you can no longer keep any more perch. Even if you are with a buddy and filling his limit. You can continue to fish but can't personally keep anymore yourself. That rule can be hard to enforce unless DEC watches and you and counts the perch you pull up but doesn't mean it's legal. Suppose to keep in separate piles also if with a group or a buddy. If lewving ice with 2 limits make sure both piles are 50 and 50...not 75 and 25 or could get ticketed. I have seen that happen before.
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What Trapper said. There are too many possible answers and ways to interpret the regs for us to be able to give you a correct one. My guess is that it would be the same as open water. If you are on a boat they only count how many lines are in the water and how many fish you have total. I suppose there could be a problem if you take people out on the ice that have no intention of fishing or ability to, but if they have a license it would be a lot of work for the authorities to try and cite you for it. From my experience, if they are watching you through binoculars, it's to see who is actually fishing to catch the people doing it without a license.
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wouldn't be hard at all they have fantastic spotting scopes and cameras ...it ain't worth it
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wouldn't be hard at all they have fantastic spotting scopes and cameras ...it ain't worth it
But I'm sure they have better things to do than spend all day watching two people and counting how many fish each one catches. I'm not sure how I even feel about it. If there were 5 people out there and only one was catching fish, I think it would be illegal and unethical for him to fill the others' limits. On the other hand, if it was a family or a couple of fishing buddies, I don't really see anything wrong with them combining limits even though it would probably be against the rules.
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Law is pretty simple but guys don't get it..
Limit is a limit..if it's 50 its 50..not well i can make it a 100 now cause I'm w a buddy..it's not well i can keep and ice 150 myself now because my mom and dad are here...its 50 per person.. once you catch 50 YOU can no longer keep anymore. Super simple..whether you think its right or wrong..just because you don't think its wrong doesnt mean it's legal. Like trap said. It's not worth it. I have Had DEC watch a whole goose hunt of ours so they are willing to sit there and watch for a while thats for sure. Doing their job.
Go up to lake george and catch and keep 10 lakers in a pile with 4 of your buddies then tell DEC you caught all 10. Let me know how thats works out for you.
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But I'm sure they have better things to do than spend all day watching two people and counting how many fish each one catches. I'm not sure how I even feel about it. If there were 5 people out there and only one was catching fish, I think it would be illegal and unethical for him to fill the others' limits. On the other hand, if it was a family or a couple of fishing buddies, I don't really see anything wrong with them combining limits even though it would probably be against the rules.
you just keep on thinking that and be ready to reach in your wallet to pay the judge.
now we are getting off track .... I think tipup asked a real question ,and I still say ,the best answer is to call your regional office and ask them ,instead of a bunch of guys on the internet .....get the right info from the right people so you don't get a ticket
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Thanks for the info guys, I appreciate it.
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Law is pretty simple but guys don't get it..
Limit is a limit..if it's 50 its 50..not well i can make it a 100 now cause I'm w a buddy..it's not well i can keep and ice 150 myself now because my mom and dad are here...its 50 per person.. once you catch 50 YOU can no longer keep anymore. Super simple..whether you think its right or wrong..just because you don't think its wrong doesnt mean it's legal. Like trap said. It's not worth it. I have Had DEC watch a whole goose hunt of ours so they are willing to sit there and watch for a while thats for sure. Doing their job.
Go up to lake george and catch and keep 10 lakers in a pile with 4 of your buddies then tell DEC you caught all 10. Let me know how thats works out for you.
what if you set the hook on one and reel it up then just before it comes out of the water you hand the rod to your buddy and he finishes reeling it in. Does that make it his fish since he had the rod in his hand?
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what if you set the hook on one and reel it up then just before it comes out of the water you hand the rod to your buddy and he finishes reeling it in. Does that make it his fish since he had the rod in his hand?
We've got a lawyer among us!! His handle says it all... :woot:
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And the daily limit is just that. When you catch your limit you can't go to another lake and catch another limit.
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Call dec...i have witnessed this incident in person a guy had 2 salmon on a stringer..he kept fishing.he would hook a fish ..give the rod to another person the other person landed and kept the fish..he did this several more times the the guy that handed the rod off got a ticket for over his 3 fish..reason he hooked the fish end a story..even though he gave the rod to another person he hooked the fish..sooo i imagine thats true for all fish..if the other guy would of released the fish the fisherman that hooked the fish would a been ok.
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you just keep on thinking that and be ready to reach in your wallet to pay the judge.
now we are getting off track .... I think tipup asked a real question ,and I still say ,the best answer is to call your regional office and ask them ,instead of a bunch of guys on the internet .....get the right info from the right people so you don't get a ticket
I'm not disagreeing with you. I took it off track because your first answer really said it all and I like topics that make me think of things in a different way. I don't fish to catch my limit. In fact, I can't remember ever catching one. So it's a topic I've never really thought about before. Whenever I fish with others, we usually split up the chores. One person might drill all the holes while another starts setting out the tipups. When I'm with kids, they get to pull all the fish in. If they pull up a fish on one of my tipups, is it their fish or mine?
Next time I get a visit from a CO out on the ice, I'll have to ask them some of these questions and see what they say. It will probably end up being one of those deals where it is technically illegal but not enforced unless there is blatant abuse.
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IceFisherSteve and Trapper are right. When in doubt, ask the one who enforces the regs. The minute you start trying to interpret the regs yourself is the minute you get in trouble, especially NY's fishing regs. I'm sure there are a lot of guys out there that play the game of "well, we have 4 guys so we can keep 200 perch". That's not what the law says. There's no such thing as a "Party Limit". at least not that I've seen.
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LOL are you guys really that worried, I love these legal question threads
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I'm not worried 49 fish in the bucket I'm done period unless in jefferson county ........ kobey I ask the dec all kinds of questions I think people should ....and your opinion is just as important as mine ;D
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terrible predicament to be in. i don't think I've a total of 50 fish for the entire season...
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then why don't you call your regional office and ask them instead of a bunch of people on the internet that are no more informed then you?
I'm not being mean ,I'm telling you the best answer
2X THAT,AND GET IT IN WRITING.
RAT.
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Just sent an email to the DEC regarding the lines. When they respond I'll post it up here. The question on the limits is pretty clear I'd say and with the scenarios that have been presented it clearly displays fines are given if fish over the personal limit are kept, even if given to someone else, and that makes sense. Thanks for all the responses.
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Lesson learned, once I reach 49 fish bring myself and my fishing partner that cant land a fish in the 2 man shanty and collaborate on a good story.
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Lesson learned, once I reach 49 fish bring myself and my fishing partner that cant land a fish in the 2 man shanty and collaborate on a good story.
Yeah elaborate a story to break the law. Good idea! I mean how else are you going to get likes on your Facebook or instagram?? Have to post 2 limits because one limit just isn't cool enough.
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Lots of those "Poacher Heroes" on the book of faces these days. Once in a while the multiple deer posters actually get caught and fined, who knows maybe they'll start going after fish thieves, too. ;)
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I guess a guy got arrested or what ever encon does last year on cossayuna had like 200-300 gills. Probably why the gills are down this year. They set limits like that so people don’t rape lakes. I see pictures of guys with blue gills and perch limited out. Most of the time if they didn’t keep the dinks they would be far from the limit. Just because you can take 50 per day doesn’t mean you have to. I normally only keep around 10 over 9 inches and throw the rest back. Have some respect for the lakes. If everyone keeps everything they catch the fishing is going to go down hill quick. Then again i fish for fun not for food.
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ok so the law is in place to preserve or control the populations, so by breaking the law you can be doing damage to the overall population of the body of water. Why try to find loop holes in a law when it in return has a negative outcome. And all honesty who the hell wants to spend 2 plus hours cleaning that many fish after being on the ice all day. Be conservative and respect the laws so our childrens children will be able to go out and have the same fun we have today.
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I remember,back in the day,they had a boat limit.i may be wrong but that's what I remember.im getting older now so I may be wrong!!LOL!!
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I remember 10 walleye limit or 20 walleyes per boat with 2 or more people on Oneida. Not sure if that was a statewide reg. 10 tipups that you could leave overnight too.
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I remember 10 walleye limit or 20 walleyes per boat with 2 or more people on Oneida. Not sure if that was a statewide reg. 10 tipups that you could leave overnight too.
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Freddie and I were talking about that the other day ,i left mine out while in school and could see flags while in class lol
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Freddie and I were talking about that the other day ,i left mine out while in school and could see flags while in class lol
I’m cant imagine how much of an itch it was to have to wait for lunch to scratch 😉
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I cheated :roflmao:
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champlain bitd-back in the day walleye-northern-no closed season northern no size limit no take limit walleye had a size limit dont remember what it was.But no closed season.And when the ice left you could shoot the northerns.Chime in if you remember these days.
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Still no closed season on northern.
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I know guys who will atrrange a pickup of their first limit of the day and keep right on going for another. I lost count one day not long ago and came home with 52 perch.
I'll put two back next time en I'll be even ;D
Rg
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RG shame on you :roflmao:
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I know guys who will atrrange a pickup of their first limit of the day and keep right on going for another. I lost count one day not long ago and came home with 52 perch.
I'll put two back next time en I'll be even ;D
Rg
There is a difference between an honest mistake, and intentionally keeping way too many fish. The later folks are normally referred to as POACHERS. >:(
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i started quitting at 49 ,i been asked by a officer at big bay why and i said i got my days catch and i know i won't be part of yours :roflmao:....honest mistakes happen i rode the bike 3 months over the registration date never got pulled over
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Good idea Trapper :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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I need a clicker to keep track, unless there laying out so i can count them.. Dumped buckets out just to put them back in all counted.... ;D
And speaking of not paying attention I drove my truck for 9 months not thinking about the inspection till a friend pointed it out...... @)
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You are allowed 7 lines. You r friend can help you setup. As soon as they are baited and put in the water it counts as a line. So if you had 7 tip-up out and then helppped you friend by baiting and setting the line in the water it is an eighth line and you are in violation. I would drill the hole and my wife would set the tip ups we got a warning with the above explanation.
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with all the debating and disagrueement makes me look forward to open water lol I won't have to put up with burn outs and drunks setting next to me.... we'll be chasing trout and walleyes ...bluegills on the fly and perch will be easy again...... ohhhhhhh well ....daydreams are legal
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This is the question I sent "If you are ice fishing or open water fishing with another person are you allowed to put out their tip ups / lines for them? For example If I had put out seven tip ups for myself, would it be illegal for me to physically put extra tip ups in the water for another licensed angler? Or if more lines were desired for the group, would they be required to place them in the water themselves? Thank you! "
This is the response I received from DEC : "As long as the other angler is in attendance, there are no regulations against it."
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Why would you even ask that ? Why would they have a problem with you helping put up your friends tipups ? Did you ask if you can tend them for him? I think you asked the question wrong. You should have asked “ can I fish 14 lines if my friend is with me “
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with all the debating and disagrueement makes me look forward to open water lol I won't have to put up with burn outs and drunks setting next to me.... we'll be chasing trout and walleyes ...bluegills on the fly and perch will be easy again...... ohhhhhhh well ....daydreams are legal
...i like that train of thought ice fishing is hetting old now
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big guy my friend has the mold for the old style islander casting bobbers ,where the line goes threw the bobber and your lead weight goes in the whole ....I ordered a bag if you or al want some let me know
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This is the question I sent "If you are ice fishing or open water fishing with another person are you allowed to put out their tip ups / lines for them? For example If I had put out seven tip ups for myself, would it be illegal for me to physically put extra tip ups in the water for another licensed angler? Or if more lines were desired for the group, would they be required to place them in the water themselves? Thank you! "
This is the response I received from DEC : "As long as the other angler is in attendance, there are no regulations against it."
I thought about this and it really is a great question , I know for fact that charter boats have the mate or the capt set up and set out all downrigger rods for clients! another thing often a mate or capt grabs the rod when it goes off then hands it to a client .... after thinking about it tip up your question is spot on !
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Trapper now your bringing up a whole new question that is perfectly legal to. Do that as being a charter boat captain ...and yes on the bobbers thanks buddy
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another thing why is it a charter boat capt in the great lakes can let others catch his limit ????
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Oh boy did that fall jar your brain toooo ;D.same in the fingerlakes.river guides also
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Oh boy here we go 😜
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Lots of those "Poacher Heroes" on the book of faces these days. Once in a while the multiple deer posters actually get caught and fined, who knows maybe they'll start going after fish thieves, too. ;)
http://poststar.com/blogs/adirondack_outdoors/blog-facebook-boasting-leads-to-trouble-for-another-poacher/article_1b48a430-eb3e-11e7-a657-9396c7b3f6a3.html
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another thing why is it a charter boat capt in the great lakes can let others catch his limit ????
From what I have been told that is not legal, any fish that you give to someone else counts toward your limit and toward their limit. But how many times have you seen ENCON checking Charter boats, most of those guys think they own the lake anyway! ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Well here's a good one. Last yr opening day of trout season I was fishin the East Branch of the Delaware. I watched this guy catch his limit 2trout only. He proceeded to keep fishin his buddy wasn't catching anything the guy who caught his limit caught more and put um on the stringer so of course I called the DEC took him about 45 minutes to get there I pointed out the guy so the GW went and talked to them and there were no tickets issued I was pissed. What's the point of calling them if they don't believe you? Next time I'll be snapping pics or videos.
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Well here's a good one. Last yr opening day of trout season I was fishin the East Branch of the Delaware. I watched this guy catch his limit 2trout only. He proceeded to keep fishin his buddy wasn't catching anything the guy who caught his limit caught more and put um on the stringer so of course I called the DEC took him about 45 minutes to get there I pointed out the guy so the GW went and talked to them and there were no tickets issued I was pissed. What's the point of calling them if they don't believe you? Next time I'll be snapping pics or videos.
What do you expect him to do your word against his?
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Well aren't you supposed to have a separate stringer?
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I could picture if the officers watched one guy land all the fish. But they can’t take your word for it. Then everyone would get tickets from people they don’t like lol
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Well aren't you supposed to have a separate stringer?
I have been checked where I was in possession of someone else fish and was never an issue. I have been checked coming off lake George twice once with my wife and once with a friend where we had 100 perch in one sled wasn't an issue. And got checked walleye fishing a few years ago and I had a stringer with 7 eyes 4 were mine and 3 were my fathers and he didn't say anything then either.
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Well then what's the sense of having a regulation if they're not going to enforce it? Also what's the point of them telling us to turn in poachers if they aren't going to do anything about it .
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If they find them with a smoking gun then I’m sure they would ticket them. 2 guys in a boat with 2 limits of fish. They can’t give a ticket based off what they didn’t see. 2 guys in a boat with 4 limits of fish they will probably spit out tickets . No smoking gun... no ticket
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Well spoken. Thanks!!
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What about the guide that takes multiple people out, they come back with a live well full, who caught what? No tickets there. Been there on those boats.
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What about the guide that takes multiple people out, they come back with a live well full, who caught what? No tickets there. Been there on those boats.
...dont go stirrin the pot now...i know rules are rules 9 out of 10 charter boat captains take ppl out with little or expierence some ppl cant catch a fish out of a fish tank ive seen it..charter captains are allowed to set hook and give the rod to a client..
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Well aren't you supposed to have a separate stringer?
New York State Criminal Procedure Law:
S 140.10 Arrest without a warrant; by police officer; when and where authorized.
1. Subject to the provisions of subdivision two, a police officer may
arrest a person for:
(a) Any offense when he or she has reasonable cause to believe that
such person has committed such offense in his or her presence
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...dont go stirrin the pot now...i know rules are rules 9 out of 10 charter boat captains take ppl out with little or expierence some ppl cant catch a fish out of a fish tank ive seen it..charter captains are allowed to set hook and give the rod to a client..
then why can't we do that for al he can't catch a fish in a tank
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Not if you have them in a live wellas long as your not over the limit for the amount of ppl you have on board..
this part is not true...your only supposed to catch and keep your own limit ...proving it is the problem
then again who cares how many salmon or lakers they take ...... :sick:
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I believe in all honesty the 3 fishing poles per person came that way from charter boats it offered more lines in the water for a better chance of catching fish......yea trap i guess bigal does qualify for that...👍👍
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Correct for river shore fisherman seperate stringer but if your out on a charter they go in a cooler all together 9 out of 10 times...lol ive seen tickets on the river for that tooo ive seen tickets handed out to a guy who brought in a mess a lines that were on the bottom he pulled in..he took his fly off threw the old line back in bam ticket for littering
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you don't need a seprate bucket or stringer you need to know exactly how many you caught .... example you use the live well in the river ....
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I've never seen anything where you are required to keep your catch separate from another person's, such as on separate stringers or in separate buckets. I'll have to look at the regs again to see if there is any such requirement. From what I've seen over the years, the only time you would be ticketed is if you were over the combined limit or got into separate vehicles with one person taking more than their limit.
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nobody addressed the 1st part of his question,,,,,if i own 14 tipups and my friend brings out nothing then yes between the 2 of us we can use 14 tipups...7 lines per angler and no names are attached to the lines anymore,,,,,,doing it all the time now
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but they have to set the lines with you....both people need to be active in the fishing....but one guy can be drilling holes and 1 guy can be placing tipups
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Cant believe this one is still going.
Rg
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Is a dog license enough for this?
https://www.facebook.com/spirit.of.dogs/videos/1580383398678652/
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rani is in clear violation and the charge is taking fish by other means then angling ....... i'm from Oswego I know this one by heart :roflmao:
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rani is in clear violation and the charge is taking fish by other means then angling ....... i'm from Oswego I know this one by heart :roflmao:
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Not Oswego
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Why Can't I see any of these vids?im using a older iPad .maybe thats why .
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All he needs is his lisence..hes got one doggie lisence👍👍
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The dog does not need a licence cause he/she is native American. Ok, he/she is not a person so he/she is exempt from New York fishing regulations. Most of the New York Fishing regulations start with a person, dogs are not persons so they are exempt. ;D
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fishin that's not true if your dog is caught taking or harassing game animals fish or fowl the owner will be held reliable and if (to protect the wildlife) the animal can be destroyed
dogs are shot every year chasing deer
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That spawning salmon is going to die anyway. I don’t think they are going to shoot the dog over it.... maybe you would but most people wouldn’t
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no one said anything about shooting a dog over a salmon ..... what was said is .....you as a pet owner are responsible, if your dog is caught harassing or harming wildlife and I may add live stock too that, you as the dog owner are responsible , that's just fact not opinion , it is also fact that law enforcement had shot dogs in the act of chasing deer ,although I haven't heard about any incidences in years .... now getting back to the videos of the dogs catching fish ,it is taking fish by means other then angling ,it is also pretty funny video.... now after careful consideration and long hours of searching full throttle we have found the perfect fishing partner for you ! his name is holeman and he likes to make things up and whine about other people as much as you....now behave before you get in trouble for trying to act tough and bully old guys again...........
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This crap still going 🤪, the dog is not responsible for chasing fish from concealment, or harassing the owner is , now if anyone was paying attention a human took the video allowing the dog to do this plus if more than 3 fish on the bank now the human has more than a limit , I personally could give a rats butt about those nasty salmon
I lost flavor of fishing for them after 30+Years , Maybe it’s because I have always lived 5 min from the river
Let’s get back to ice fishing ,
MFF would be a better place for this discussion 😉
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Lol I’m the bully ? Your the one talking about shooting a dog for playing with a fish. This isn’t 1945 any more. You cant just shoot someone’s dog because you want to. Maybe the first step would be to call the dog off? It’s just a funny video. now do you think law enforcers “ destroy” an animal? They shoot it !