I've given up on Otter and haven't fished it for two maybe three years now. I did catch some fish there so it could be as that as I've moved over to fishing from an ATV more that I simply didn't trust the ice out there well enough. Current erosion of the ice on Otter can be a bugger and it just has me spooked too much with the ATV. I was/am probably worrying about nothing, but then again, I stay dry too.