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charging people would never work, first of all people wouldnt pay and the government would never set up the program to do the clean up...in my opinion....so i have to ask, andre, is there any talk of banning permanent shacks...if people cant clean up after themselves then why not ban them...i do realize that some people that have permies do clean up, but if it is such a big problem, then ban them. i own a portable and drive by cil everytime i go to selkirk and cant believe the crap people leave behing...and a 3/4 pail full of ....is f...ing ignorant, everybody says fisherman are supposed to be better people, when it comes to this type of stuff but obviously they arent
Prohibiting the use of permanent structures is certainly being discussed. It is high on the list of possible options along with developing and implementing a permitting system.Everyone needs to remember why these structures exist in the first place. They were developed to provide anglers with shelter from the winter elements. They've become something else almost entirely as people use them as gathering places for socializing with liquor. I guarantee you that almost every one of the Red River shacks has had booze in it this winter! They are fishing shacks!And because they are so accessible to the public, they are targets for thieves, vandals, free loaders and anyone who thinks that they have a right to use them, whether they own them or not.They are fishing shelters, that's it! That's why they were invented and that's why we need to go back to that concept. As it stands, portable shelters are THE FISHING SHELTERS. Even though some illegal acts occur in portables, the difference in violations in terms of garbage accumulation is enormous! Plus nobody trashes your portable because it leaves with you at the end of the fishing session! This concept is so simple.
....... As it stands, portable shelters are THE FISHING SHELTERS. Even though some illegal acts occur in portables, the difference in violations in terms of garbage accumulation is enormous!
My permanent shack was on the river this year and did not once have liquor in it. I Fish from sun up til about 11. I can wait till I get home to have a beer. Personally, I like the convenience of driving up lighting the fire, drilling holes and fishing, especialy when it's minus 40. Maybe the CRO's should have a greater prescence out there. I never saw them once this year.
you can easily pack up your shack and gear and go! Again with perms. you don't have this luxury either. Just my 2 cents.
um, all you do is close the holes and hitch to your truck, quad, or snowmachine. They're not made on a concrete slab, they have skids....intended for skidding i suppose. i prefer moving with my permanent as opposed to when we go with my buddy's portable. it's actually easier to just drag it around as opposed to taking a portable down and re-packing all your gear into transport mode, just to unfold it later and bring your gear back in again when you're at the intended spot.
why don't they just ban perm. shacks and make everyone buy portables. I think this would be a good idea because with portables you can move around to find the fish. With perms. you don't really have that luxury. another advantage of this is, if you decide you want to go fish another body of water, you can easily pack up your shack and gear and go! Again with perms. you don't have this luxury either. Just my 2 cents.
I'm in favor of banning permanents. Those are the party shacks and the biggest violators as far as I'm concerned, at least from what I see around here, and I'm nowhere near the Red. Its the convienence of being able to get out there that brings these people out. Fishing and the environment are at the bottom of the list as why they're there. If these people had to drag out a portable and set up everytime to fish, I think most would just stay home, and leave the ice for the more serious ice fisher persons. Now I know not all permanents are party shacks, some are actually used for there intended purpose, but how many portables do you see as party shacks? not nearly as many.I don't think a permit system would do a whole lot, unless the money goes back into cleaning everything up, but with all the water in MB that wouldn't work the greatest, and would turn out to be just another $ grab with nothing accomplished. It may deter some from coming out, yes, but I think we'd still see the problems as long as there are permanent shacks on the ice.
1st of all, those guys don't know how to make a fire. When i burn mine after a frustrating day of fishing, there's nothing left but the nails and screws. No, I joke. The pictures are truely disturbing.It's not an argument as to whether my kids will enjoy fishing with or without a good shack. It's an argument that people like yourself think it's a good idea to take away rights of others based on the actions of a few. I'm not under any delusions that you or anyone on this forum actually have the power to ban the use of wooden shacks, so maybe i'm wasting my time arguing my point, but my side needs to be heard if nothing else.All i'm saying is where do you draw the line? We have enough rules and regs. in place, (just enforce them) and the thinking that more rules is better, is a dangerous thing and it's a slippery slope my friend. It takes away the ability to make good decisions for ourselves, and grants our government the authority to make more decisions for us. Granted, some people don't make good decisions, but that's what your job is for Gatorhunter. I know having rules is important, and enforcing them is equally so.I don't agree that it's like the barbed hook issue at at. If you're using a barbed hook, you're breaking the law. there's no grey area. But If i'm using a wooden shack, i'm not necessarily littering and i don't feel entitled to do so.You want an example.... Drunk drivers are at a higher risk of causing accidents, so maybe we should ban vehicles altogether to solve the problem. That's an easy fix right? ....you know, rather than just enforcing the law that it's illegal to drink and drive. That way everyone can (and will have to) drive bicycles and mo-peds because they're more portable and you don't have to leave them outside unattended.
You've listed a whole bunch of examples that have no relation to the item that you're trying to compare. You might also want to change the word delusion to illusion!There is no "right" attached to a fishing shelter, plain and simple. It is a privilege based on convenience! You're correct in that I don't have the power to remove this horribly mis-utilized privilege. However, I do have the authority and blessing from my employers to take this issue public. You may have noticed this in the news lately!The point with the barbed hooks is that despite peoples' opposition to this regulation and the existence of violations to this day, many people are following this regulation and are thankful that it exists. Their angling experiences have improved because of this regulation. It is my belief and that of many others that getting rid of these hard walled, garbage collecting, rowdy and criminal behaviour attractants will result in improved angling and outdoor experiences.Vehicles are not banned because in Canada we kind of NEED them. We don't NEED permanent fishing shelters.
nope....pretty sure i meant delusions! Google the definition buddy.
Well first off I would like to say I own both types of shelters. I like them both for different reasons, and would hate to see one or the other become banned. It is very disgraceful to see the photos of the burnt garbage. What I don’t understand it that in this day and age it can’t be controlled better. First off, having a shack that has “warning” notices from 4 years ago is outrageous. How would barbed hooks, seatbelt, or drinking and driving laws be upheld if everyone always got just a warning? The regs state permanent shack must display name and number. If a shack doesn’t have it yank it off, no warning, take it to a holding location, and if someone comes to claim it they get a ticket. People would conform quickly. Permanents do tend to move from time to time, but for the most part they are stationary, and with gps I can’t see how all the shacks can’t be entered with the names and numbers to the location for identification. I think for the most part that it is not a discussion of permanent vs. portable. It’s a discussion of ice fishermen in general. The public is looking at this as all ice fishermen are doing this, and we as a whole need to smarten up to correct it. If you see someone burning a shack or garbage or sofas whatever, it needs to be dealt with quickly by taking down all information and reporting it. I can guarantee that the pictures are not taken from permanent location to location. There have been many removed and cleaned properly in-between these pictures but these bad seeds are ruining it. In summery if you force people to comply with their information on the shack, and that information is entered into a data base where they can held accountable for any mess, and people were quick to report violations when they occur then these people would quickly conform or move on.
while they are at it they should ban Ford trucks since I saw one broke down "littering" the side of the road today (must mean they are more prone to breakdowns).
Once again it must be explained that they are fishing shelters! Not party houses, social halls or seasonal cottages! There is undeniable evidence of the "footprint" that these shacks leave on the landscape! I have said it often that this problem is huge on the "Red River!" I've also worked in other areas in my 30 years with this Dept. and I've seen it "all" in terms of permanent shelter utilization!(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)I've got a couple hundred more but this should get the point accross!I admire that you bring your family to do this and that! I've been there with my wife and two kids when they were the same age as Steve's and younger. They've fished, snowmobiled, built snowmen, snow forts, whatever! But they've never fished out of permanent shelters and both love fishing to this day at 26 and 22 years of age.It's very similar to the barbed issue in many ways. Barbed hooks are still encountered on a daily basis even though barbless regulations were implemented in the early 1990s. My kids have never fished with barbed hooks yet they seem to catch lots of fish and lots of big fish too! It's a mentality, an attitude of eff the government because this is my planet and I'll do what I want, where I want, when I want and how I want!Visit enough of these sites and you'll see photographs of toddlers holding fish, playing in the snow, basically doing all the things that kids do in the winter time. There isn't a permanent shelter in sight yet these kids are thoroughly enjoying themselves.
