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Ice Fishing Tips -Check your local regulations! => Northern Pike => Topic started by: MrMarty51 on Dec 30, 2007, 09:16 AM
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After talking with my son Darkhousefisher,He told Me that the northerns losing their teeth{I mean all of them,not even enough to scar up a minnow} could be to low levels of mercury in the water.He checked with Montana F&G and they told Him that the fish in the pond where we fish had this but are safe to eat.He also said that mercury causes humans to lose their teeth.Any comments on this would be appreciated. :-\
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LOL. they will grow back in the spring ;) Its a winter thing.
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My brothers wife caught a pike on conesus this spring and that was missing alot of teeth.I think they lose them from stress from spawning......
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I think it would help if they would start flossing after every meal!
:) :) ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :laugh: :laugh:
:P
NBG
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My brothers wife caught a pike on conesus this spring and that was missing alot of teeth.I think they lose them from stress from spawning......
Thats nice to know,that there will be more northerns in the future.LOL ;D
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pike loss there teeth every year the moon phase dictates when they lose them supposedly they lose them when there's a new moon and they are soft when they come in so the fish don't feed as much they are at there sharpest when its a full moon that's why people say the pike bite is best during a full moon. all though not all pike lose there teeth at the same time.
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Don't pike loss there teeth every year
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This question comes up every year so I just spent about a half hour trying to shed a little light on this reading several articles about their tooth loss .
It seems that nobody can give a scientific answer but they all say that they do in fact loose their teeth but not on any time schedule or for any particular reason . Only that they all go through a regular tooth loss much like a shark will .
I seen the one elmerross is referring to and that fish was nearly toothless , If I remember correctly it only had about 5-6 teeth .
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I belive they shed there teeth and grow new ones because there teeth take alot of abuse this gives them a sharp new set
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To put it lamans terms each individal fish looses their teeth from time, time, its' not every fish in the lake at certain time of the year. I caught Pike once with a lot of teeth missing but all the other pike caught that day had thiers.I would think it probably has somthing to do with overall body growth, happening in short period of time along with what bassranger said.
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To put it lamans terms each individual fish looses their teeth from time, time, its' not every fish in the lake at certain time of the year. I caught Pike once with a lot of teeth missing but all the other pike caught that day had theirs.I would think it probably has somthing to do with overall body growth, happening in short period of time along with what bassranger said.
thank you. I think the myth will continue forever though, that pike get sore mouths or loose teeth every spring/summer/fall/winter/spawning season/warm weather/cold water.
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Yeah, this is a topic that pops up every year. It was explained to me by my fisheries professor(PhD). It has to do with(they believe) the conditions of winter and stress. Their metabolism seems to divert their energy away from tooth growth and replacement to deal with the period before ice, during and just after. Their replacement teeth are kinda unique in the sense that they are not attached to their jaws but, rather float above the jaw in a pocket, the topic is in the archives if your interested.
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Whoever is catching "toothless" pike, look again. Pike do lose teeth but replace them on a regular basis, and ALWAYS have a set of teeth for feeding. Think about it, pike are predators, they need teeth in order to eat! This is just some stupid Canadian myth. Scientists call this an angler's excuse for not catching fish. As far as the mercury comment, that doesn't even make any sense. Montana Fish and Game would not say that pike contaminated with enough mercury to cause tooth loss in a fish are safe for eating. Ever wonder why you always hear all this talk of "toothless" pike, yet no pictures exist? It's because "toothless" pike do not exist.
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This is one for Mythbusters!
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Whoever is catching "toothless" pike, look again. Pike do lose teeth but replace them on a regular basis, and ALWAYS have a set of teeth for feeding. Think about it, pike are predators, they need teeth in order to eat! Ever wonder why you always hear all this talk of "toothless" pike, yet no pictures exist? It's because "toothless" pike do not exist.
You are correct sir. If there was a prize, you would win.
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Whoever is catching "toothless" pike, look again. Pike do lose teeth but replace them on a regular basis, and ALWAYS have a set of teeth for feeding. Think about it, pike are predators, they need teeth in order to eat! This is just some stupid Canadian myth. Scientists call this an angler's excuse for not catching fish. As far as the mercury comment, that doesn't even make any sense. Montana Fish and Game would not say that pike contaminated with enough mercury to cause tooth loss in a fish are safe for eating. Ever wonder why you always hear all this talk of "toothless" pike, yet no pictures exist? It's because "toothless" pike do not exist.
I guess then that a minnow being mauled around 7 times by at least 3 different pike and coming out without any tooth marks on it is one maby You could explain.watched it down through the spearing hole.Pike comes in hot and grabs the minnow munches it a few times,spits it out,I haul it up and not a tooth mark on it.not once but at least three different fish on 7 different occasions.On the upside,I had to use only one minnow all day. :icefish:
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Whoever is catching "toothless" pike, look again. Pike do lose teeth but replace them on a regular basis, and ALWAYS have a set of teeth for feeding. Think about it, pike are predators, they need teeth in order to eat! This is just some stupid Canadian myth. Scientists call this an angler's excuse for not catching fish. As far as the mercury comment, that doesn't even make any sense. Montana Fish and Game would not say that pike contaminated with enough mercury to cause tooth loss in a fish are safe for eating. Ever wonder why you always hear all this talk of "toothless" pike, yet no pictures exist? It's because "toothless" pike do not exist.
If you're questioning the one Elmerross mentioned , The fish truly had about 5-6 teeth nothing more , nothing buried in the gum tissue or laid back like you would typically find .
I personally mounted the fish for his sister in law and I can tell you first hand I have NEVER seen a pike with no replacement teeth like this one was .
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If you're questioning the one Elmerross mentioned , The fish truly had about 5-6 teeth nothing more , nothing buried in the gum tissue or laid back like you would typically find .
I personally mounted the fish for his sister in law and I can tell you first hand I have NEVER seen a pike with no replacement teeth like this one was .
GingiPikeis. They catch it from Humans crazy enough to put their hand down the hole to ice one. The Pike is released or lost at the hole and their gumline goes bad from biting a Human and being tainted with Gingivitis bacterium, so they develope GingiPikeis. ;D
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GingiPikeis. They catch it from Humans crazy enough to put their hand down the hole to ice one. The Pike is released or lost at the hole and their gumline goes bad from biting a Human and being tainted with Gingivitis bacterium, so they develope GingiPikeis. ;D
Chainsaw hit the nail on the head, I read about it in a magazine, that and it went on to say how some pike can't afford dental coverage and get the tooth replacement shot, they tend to be the Pike that are always first in line when the beer ferry arives.
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Chainsaw hit the nail on the head, I read about it in a magazine, that and it went on to say how some pike can't afford dental coverage and get the tooth replacement shot, they tend to be the Pike that are always first in line when the beer ferry arives.
Beer Fairies ...
Now there's a concept for ya ...
8) 8) :o :o :o 8) 8)
NBG
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^This means nothing. I have seen Pike/ Muskies on camera and in person grab baits and not leave a mark. Some even grabbed baits without tipping a flag. They can be quite soft-mouthed when striking. They do not lose their teeth.
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^This means nothing. I have seen Pike/ Muskies on camera and in person grab baits and not leave a mark. Some even grabbed baits without tipping a flag. They can be quite soft-mouthed when striking. They do not lose their teeth.
They do loose teeth but it is a shedding process much like a shark and for no other reason !
Google it !
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maybe in the us here in canada iv never seen a toothless pike prolly sumting in ur neuclear runoff
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I don't remember what I wrote the last time. Probably something along this line and I'm not a PhD, more like an intelligent redneck probably but, alright, I'll stir the pot a little, I have two that are frozen at the FLCC campus as examples for the purpose of this topic to help lend a little credence. The main part of this myth/fact, however you view it, is that there is all or most of the teeth lost. What we/I have found is that it is more a partial loss. I caught a couple last year out of Conesus that had tooth loss, because they are predators and curious? Not in whole maybe, there's other things that can account for tooth loss, being caught and released could play a factor along with competition for some examples. The otherside is diet and metabolism which both slow in ice covered regions along with competition and forage base can effect the regeneration and replacement rates depending on all of these factors and some more. If you caught one that had more than partial tooth loss, it could be having a rough year(stress) or it may have to much competition and not enough forage or early VHS for that matter weakening it. If it is genetic, that haven't lent any fact to that yet but, it is theoretically part of their survival strategy which are genetically based. If you've never caught one that shows enough tooth loss to notice its hard to believe but, a lot of pike especially in our region, show noticeable tooth loss in the winter months the time when all the negative factors are at their greatest influence. That, I believe, is sound thought. Also, the teeth that are being regenerated do sit in a pocket just above the gum line, I've seen it at the college with the proffessor there showing me and transparent images like x-rays. Apparently, there has to be tooth loss for regeneration and that may be a way to divert energy more efficiently. Remember nature is both simple and complex at the same time and the further you look in to it the more complex it can be come. The bottom line is that all of this still doesn't say one way or the other which is the factor but, makes more sense of the situation when the variables make sense. with that said, it is possable that pike loose teeth to natural environment factors or as a part of a genetic survival strategy or both. There are examples to see and if I catch one with a good example of this I'll hopefully remember to take a pic and post it. By the way, the one pike that's frozen was 11lbs when I caught it and brought it in in the morning. By the end of the day word had gotten around and I saw one of the guys I new and he congratulated me on my now significantly larger catch like 17 or 21lbs I don't remember. Shows how myths and stories get started. I know, go ahead, you gotta. Time for a High life and praying to the ice gods for the next weekend :tipup: :tipup:
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Wheres the wing flutterin, honey pottin, wand stroking tooth fairy when ya need her....
She would know....all this banter...stick your finger in there if your so worried about the state of their teeth...(the pike)
The results of your hypothesis will be evident in the yield of blood or no blood.
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Maybe all these pike with no teeth were 315ers. :P
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After talking with my son Darkhousefisher,He told Me that the northerns losing their teeth{I mean all of them,not even enough to scar up a minnow} could be to low levels of mercury in the water.He checked with Montana F&G and they told Him that the fish in the pond where we fish had this but are safe to eat.He also said that mercury causes humans to lose their teeth.Any comments on this would be appreciated. :-\
They dont shed teeth the lose them durind feeding.
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Maybe all these pike with no teeth were 315ers. :P
Maybe walleye are secretly stealing them while the pike are sleeping. Walleye don't like to put up much of a fight you know ;)
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All I know is they have other teeth ready to come in laying in a fleshy area just in side and below the teeth. As a taxidermist I remove this chunk of flesh, which is why I know. I would guess they break them off periodically and replace the broken ones. Nothing unusual about that
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I don't remember what I wrote the last time. Probably something along this line and I'm not a PhD, more like an intelligent redneck probably but, alright, I'll stir the pot a little, I have two that are frozen at the FLCC campus as examples for the purpose of this topic to help lend a little credence. The main part of this myth/fact, however you view it, is that there is all or most of the teeth lost. What we/I have found is that it is more a partial loss. I caught a couple last year out of Conesus that had tooth loss, because they are predators and curious? Not in whole maybe, there's other things that can account for tooth loss, being caught and released could play a factor along with competition for some examples. The otherside is diet and metabolism which both slow in ice covered regions along with competition and forage base can effect the regeneration and replacement rates depending on all of these factors and some more. If you caught one that had more than partial tooth loss, it could be having a rough year(stress) or it may have to much competition and not enough forage or early VHS for that matter weakening it. If it is genetic, that haven't lent any fact to that yet but, it is theoretically part of their survival strategy which are genetically based. If you've never caught one that shows enough tooth loss to notice its hard to believe but, a lot of pike especially in our region, show noticeable tooth loss in the winter months the time when all the negative factors are at their greatest influence. That, I believe, is sound thought. Also, the teeth that are being regenerated do sit in a pocket just above the gum line, I've seen it at the college with the proffessor there showing me and transparent images like x-rays. Apparently, there has to be tooth loss for regeneration and that may be a way to divert energy more efficiently. Remember nature is both simple and complex at the same time and the further you look in to it the more complex it can be come. The bottom line is that all of this still doesn't say one way or the other which is the factor but, makes more sense of the situation when the variables make sense. with that said, it is possable that pike loose teeth to natural environment factors or as a part of a genetic survival strategy or both. There are examples to see and if I catch one with a good example of this I'll hopefully remember to take a pic and post it. By the way, the one pike that's frozen was 11lbs when I caught it and brought it in in the morning. By the end of the day word had gotten around and I saw one of the guys I new and he congratulated me on my now significantly larger catch like 17 or 21lbs I don't remember. Shows how myths and stories get started. I know, go ahead, you gotta. Time for a High life and praying to the ice gods for the next weekend :tipup: :tipup:
Thanks Shawner.You have done Your homework and yes When I catch one of these toothless ones I will get a pic. and post it. :)
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does this mean we should start useing mashed tater balls for bait
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tater-baiter - as a noun- lookit 'em, he's one them taterbaiters
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does this mean we should start useing mashed tater balls for bait
Naaah... Hot Dogs....
ANYONE EVER TRY HOTDOGS FOR PIKE :whistle:
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Maybe all these pike with no teeth were 315ers. :P
Did you have to go there.... ;)
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does this mean we should start useing mashed tater balls for bait
No I think it`s gnashed taters.LOL but now I gotta figger out how to keep em on the hook.any suggestions there?Or should I have to start a new thread for that topic ??? :laugh:
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a toothless pike can still feed, ever had a fish swallow a bait. ive caught pike with a shedding of teeth plenty of times, usually in early jan. duh
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Guys: Although I seriously doubt a pike looses all of it's teeth (like I said I think they just break them off now and then) it still has plenty of recurved teeth on the roof of it's mouth and i have never seen those missing. So even if it broke off some of those big ones in the jaw, there are still plenty of recurved teeth to hold on to prey.
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You are correct sir. If there was a prize, you would win.
I fish for Northerns regularly and have never seen a toothless pike at any time of the year. That is a myth. All the literature I have ever read has never mentioned a thing about tooth loss. There teeth mall fall out a few here and there but are replaced all the time. But if someone can prove me wrong I will be glad to tip my cap.
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I fish for Northerns regularly and have never seen a toothless pike at any time of the year. That is a myth. All the literature I have ever read has never mentioned a thing about tooth loss. There teeth mall fall out a few here and there but are replaced all the time. But if someone can prove me wrong I will be glad to tip my cap.
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I fish for Northerns regularly and have never seen a toothless pike at any time of the year. That is a myth. All the literature I have ever read has never mentioned a thing about tooth loss. There teeth mall fall out a few here and there but are replaced all the time. But if someone can prove me wrong I will be glad to tip my cap.
yAdiction knows what he is talking about i to done research in books chats w/ others and field.
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wo wo wo wo wo :o :o i caught 2 yes 2 pike without teeth . i wondered how i kept pulling in pike with a lindy GENZ BUG . then i realized on the second fish that it had no teeth. this is no myth
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if anyone has ever seen a pike skull with all the meat off of it you would realize all the recurved teeth are part of the skull there it wouldn't seem very possible that they would loose them. if you think you have seen a toothless pike put your hand in its mouth let him clamp down and then give your hand a swift pull. the blood will tell you pike always have plenty of teeth.
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if anyone has ever seen a pike skull with all the meat off of it you would realize all the recurved teeth are part of the skull there it wouldn't seem very possible that they would loose them. if you think you have seen a toothless pike put your hand in its mouth let him clamp down and then give your hand a swift pull. the blood will tell you pike always have plenty of teeth.
That is the best answer to this question i ever heard. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: bravo.
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I believe that the situation does belong to just the teeth in the jaw line and does not include the plates on the roof of the mouth. At least, as far as what I commented on goes. :tipup:
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7 out of 10 pike I caught last year at South Sandstone in MT, had the small teeth in the front of their mouths but absolutely no large teeth from the sides of their mouths, that is not a myth. At Castlerock lake, 150 miles away, all the pike I caught had all their teeth. Just my $.02.
Darkhousefisher
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Yeah but the myth is they lose ALL of their teeth. Of the hundreds of pike I have mounted in the 24 years I've been a taxidermist I have never seen a pike with no teeth.
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7 out of 10 pike I caught last year at South Sandstone in MT, had the small teeth in the front of their mouths but absolutely no large teeth from the sides of their mouths, that is not a myth. At Castlerock lake, 150 miles away, all the pike I caught had all their teeth. Just my $.02.
the majority of a pikes teeth are on the roof(top) of their mouth not on the "sides"
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My favorite thread of the year is back - I once caught a Pike wearing dentures :roflmao: :blink:
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My favorite thread of the year is back - I once caught a Pike wearing dentures :roflmao: :blink:
I once caught a pike with one tooth, but it had a blender with it and the fish asked me to grind up the shiner for him so he could eat it.
I think he told me he had gingivitis. True storey.
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I once caught a pike with one tooth, but it had a blender with it and the fish asked me to grind up the shiner for him so he could eat it.
I think he told me he had gingivitis. True storey.
Perhaps that toothless fish conned the 23 plus fish to eat your bait as a form of pay back.It was probably her that was responsible for knocking ??? his teeth out and bullying all the other fish around or something like that?
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Oh! Never Thought of that JC. Could have happened. ::) :roflmao:
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My favorite thread of the year is back - I once caught a Pike wearing dentures :roflmao: :blink:
We should get the big hotdogs as bait topic/debate goin for the season ;D
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We should get the big hotdogs as bait topic/debate goin for the season ;D
Another all time favorite, good thinking Hood.
They'll probably work considering they're softer and the pike have no teeth.
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I hear pike prefer Kahns over Oscar Meyer 10 to 1. Thats documented.
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Another all time favorite, good thinking Hood.
They'll probably work considering they're softer and the pike have no teeth.
Absolutely, we could figger out both mysteries in one shot.
"Hotdogs, the cure for toothless pike"
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In my experience, in mid February to March, the northern get real hesitant in taking bait and eating it like earlier in winter. If you do catch one at that time the teeth on the roof of their mouth are gone or are red and inflamed. Just my experience.
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In my experience, in mid February to March, the northern get real hesitant in taking bait and eating it like earlier in winter. If you do catch one at that time the teeth on the roof of their mouth are gone or are red and inflamed. Just my experience.
The recurved teeth on the roof of the mouth are gone? ??? Are you sure? ???
I have never ever seen that.
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how could they be gone??? they are part of the skull
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how could they be gone??? they are part of the skull
I am trying to figure it out myself!
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Aren't your teeth part of your skull and don't you lose yours. At one point in time. Obviously somebody has also observed this phenomenon as well otherwise this wouldn't be a topic. Is this using logic?
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I'm sure it never occurred to you that everything isn't the same worldwide ,countrywide , or in every lake. Maybe it is something specific with a condition in some lakes. Nice fish GAMEDOG!
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I heard that fishermen peeing in the lake (or on the ice) causes Northerns teeth to fall out.
Or wait ??? maybe it was caused by WD-40 that was in the water from fishermen spraying it on their lures.
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I don't know anything about northerns losing their teeth, but I do know that a lot of lakes around here in MN have mercury. The lakes with the most mercury are usually up north and have some pretty good fishing. I don't know about the health risks to people from mercury, but I'm sure they're there. They say not to eat fish from those lakes if you're under 15, but I've eaten plenty of them ever since I could catch 'em. I suppose it'll catch up to me sometime later, but I'm not seeing any effects yet. I'd say that if you were worried about the side effects of mercury poisoning, you shouldn't eat the fish, but I'd say that the effects aren't anything that you should worry about for quite a while...
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since i first heard all this chit chat ive personally caught,brushed and flossed 6 pikk,come on every body do yer part!
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All I hear is crickets. We are scurred of this post.
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I think a lot of people in this post are getting mislead by pike losing their teeth. I'm not 100% sure, but I can't recall catching a pike that has lost the teeth on the roof of its mouth. But I do know that they lose the teeth that surround their jaws on the edges of their mouths. I'm not sure if this is a winter thing, or a stress thing, but I know they come out. Although I caught a pike yesterday that appeared to have all of those side teeth, so I'm not exactly sure how the cycle goes.
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I think a lot of people in this post are getting mislead by pike losing their teeth. I'm not 100% sure, but I can't recall catching a pike that has lost the teeth on the roof of its mouth. But I do know that they lose the teeth that surround their jaws on the edges of their mouths. I'm not sure if this is a winter thing, or a stress thing, but I know they come out. Although I caught a pike yesterday that appeared to have all of those side teeth, so I'm not exactly sure how the cycle goes.
They do shed there teeth or lose teeth. But are replaced with new teeth. People are thinking that they are shedding them totally at times of the year to where they have no teeth what so ever.
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Sometime's I wonder why I read this site ??? ??? :laugh:
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No I think it`s gnashed taters.LOL but now I gotta figger out how to keep em on the hook.any suggestions there?Or should I have to start a new thread for that topic ??? :laugh:
whip the nashed taters for a very long time with an electric beater and add butter makes them just like glue
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Yeah I believe northern pike lose the "k-9" type teeth around there mouth during a stage in the winter..but the bristly sets on the top and bottom of mouth are never lost. Just a trait of the northern pike species obtained over a long period of time. Kind of like the deer losing their antlers type deal.
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I'm sure glad I refrained from making any more posts here. :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Good grief people, the answer to this is common sense! Did some of you flunk biology 101 in high school? Hell maybe some of you never finished high school! :wacko:
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I'm sure glad I refrained from making any more posts here. :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Good grief people, the answer to this is common sense! Did some of you flunk biology 101 in high school? Hell maybe some of you never finished high school! :wacko:
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Thanks to BHO and all the Dems who are intent on Bankrupting this country, now event the Pike will have free dental coverage so we can put this teeth/no teeth/losing teeth issue to bed ;)