those are alot bigger than what i have trapped before, the ones im seeing are silver with a flash of purply metalic but no real color that looks like either fish. i need to get a new trap and get some picks. if you look real close at the pumkinseed pic you can see grey bars that are vericle, they are very vague in the pic but they are there and ive read they can have bars as well, just dont know if they are born with the spots. i dont remember the spot on the gill plate having any color yet on the reall small ones so im thinking color developement comes later