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New York => Ice Fishing New York => Topic started by: perch patrol on Sep 02, 2010, 01:03 PM
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I was just wondering what a landlocked salmon actually is. Is it a certain species of salmon or a broad description of salmon that is landlocked because it is in a lake. Also does anyone catch them and where because I have been fishing ny for about 13 years but have never really targeted salmon. mainly because I don't know the lakes that have good populations. any info would be much appreciated. God i can't wait for Ice summer fishing is ok but nothing beats hardwater action.
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Landlock salmon are Atlantic salmon that are land locked . cant tell you where to catch them ;) but i bet if you lookup where they are stocked and then which ones are open for ice fishing it might give you a good idea where to catch them ;D
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Here is a good place to start... http://nyfisherman.net/senecalandlocked.html (http://nyfisherman.net/senecalandlocked.html)
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Piseco Lake in Hamilton county has a population of land locked salmon.
Steve
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I pulled a 32" LLS threw the ice a few years ago at Piseco lake. I had my tip up set up in 4' of water about 5' from shore. That was a nice fish.
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thanks for all the information guys, I will definitely look in to it
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Lake george has a good population of LLS, so does otsego. I've had best luck fishing right under the ice in anywhere from 5' to 60' of water but set tipup right under ice down to about ten feet small treble hook with 6lb. flourocarbon leader tipped with and emerald shiner
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Land lock salmon are a sub species of the Atlantic salmon but they do not migrate to the ocean even if they have open acess to the sea.If you were to take an Atlantic salmon and a land lock salmon filet them and put them side by side you would not be able to tell the apart. You can catch them in LG,the sacandaga, and Lake Eaton there are more but I can't think of them now. The best way to fish them is to set your tip ups 3 to 10ft. under the ice, small trebbles and iceicles. Try this tip drill 2 holes one for tip up then another one in case you get a flag and the fish is not there try jigging the adjacent hole and sometimes they'll hit your lure. Also the best I found to catch them is first ice, one year I was out on LG with 2" of ice ,I caught 6 it was a good thing that there was 4 of us. Its lots of fun and good eating.
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One species of land locked salmon is the Kokanee. This is a landlocked version of the Pacific red, or Sockeye, salmon and has a fine pink texture. NY State DEC has provided fish for stocking lakes and streams. Glass Lake (region 4) used to be stocked until about 2003 but there proved to be no tributaries to the lake where the fish could spawn. After the fishes normal life span of abut four years, they have all been caught or died off. There have been no kokanee in the Glass Lake for many years now.
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As said LL's are atlantic salmon,they are found in numerous lakes throughout the state... live bait and jigs seem to work best for me close to the ice.....
Here's a nice chubby one I caught on the fullton chain last season
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff11/deadsmelthead/SunFeb14200633AmericaNew_York2010.jpg)
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nice fish man! wow they look pretty similar to a big brown
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they can be mistaken for browns & brown for LLS but their upper jaw plate extends past their eye socket..
Schroon lake has a good population of LLS:
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r17/rippleshots/landlocksalmon.jpg)
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nice fish man! wow they look pretty similar to a big brown
I can see by your post count you haven't been on here long.... there is a long and heated thread on the difference between browns and llsalmon... some think they are hard to differentiate, to me personally haveing caught hundreds of both species they have so many differences I can't figure out how one would confuse them..but at the same time I can...they are basically cousins genetically speaking...
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ok so here's the million dollar question.... places that have native landlock Salmon.... if they're Atlantic salmon that are now in a lake, how did they get there??!! or is it that no lake has natives.. every landlocked salmon has been stocked at one time or another???
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landlocked salmon are atlantic salmon. after the glaciers retreated they became landlocked in lakes and rivers that used to have an opening to the sea. they breed naturally, running up rivers from the bigger lakes, like champlain. but also now stocked.
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ok so here's the million dollar question.... places that have native landlock Salmon.... if they're Atlantic salmon that are now in a lake, how did they get there??!! or is it that no lake has natives.. every landlocked salmon has been stocked at one time or another???
no not every population of landlocks has been stocked at one time or another. There are 4 watersheds in the state of Maine that hold populations of native landlocks. Unfourtunetly all these systems have been stocked with the salmon the last couple decades and catching a true "native" fish is rare now. Geneticly these landlocks and true atlantics are almost identical. landlocks do not grow nearly as large with the average adult being between 3-6 pounds, in my book a true trophy is anything over 7 pounds, and a 10 pounder is truly the catch of a lifetime. They can attain larger sizes as the state of Maine once held the world record at 22 pounds but I have not heard of a salmon caught that was even close to approaching that size in years.
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They can attain larger sizes as the state of Maine once held the world record at 22 pounds but I have not heard of a salmon caught that was even close to approaching that size in years.
new yorks state record is 24.15 caught in 97 I don't think we differenciate between ll and atlantic though....
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new yorks state record is 24.15 caught in 97 I don't think we differenciate between ll and atlantic though....
theres speculation that the landlocked caught in Maine was a pure atlantic to, however these days, any bodies of water that may possible hold atlantics are goverened by regulations limiting the maximum size at which salmon can be kept to ensure protection of the atlantics, wouldn't be suprised if a couple big atlantics have been caught, but quickly released or not reported to avoid hefty pentalties