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Ice Fishing Tips -Check your local regulations! => Northern Pike => Topic started by: piker on Dec 13, 2002, 09:02 AM
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I am in the process of redoing all of my type and we have a set of type that we use for Pike fishing and have always used th steel leaders. The steel leaders are stiff to use for the quick strike rigs and tougher to handle at pick up time.
I was talking to the man at the tackle store and he said to go with the new braided line and it will be fine. very tough to cut, even with a pair of nail clippers. I was going to use the 50lb test that has the diameter of a 12lb test line. This new technology seems to be OK and the line is really tough. Would be easier to tie onto and change hooks, etc.
What is everyone else using for a leader on their tip ups when going after Pike??
Any help appreciated.
Thanks
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i try to go with at least a 40 lbs leader sometime more, i use nothing less then 40 lbs test line on my tip ups.
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50lb Florocarbon (seaguar) 3' long for my leaders for pike. It's a little more expensive then some other lines. Mine cost $.65 a piece (based on the price of a 25yard spool). I think the florocarbon line is great. This is my second year using it for ice fishing leaders.
Esox
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I have to agree about the flourocarbon. Since that stuff came on the market I have been using it for leaders trolling stripers on the open water and it works great. It almost dissappears in the water and there isn't a tougher mono out there.
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I have used braided line for leader's and found it to wear out and weaken pretty quick, like the guy's said don't waste your money.don't underestimate the sharpness of a pike tooth.
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This year i tied many different leaders. i tied about 15 for pike or bigger species and about 15 for trout and panfish. For walleyes i will mix and match the leaders, some heavy some light. For the pike i used about 20lb test stren high inpact about 4 feet long. onto that i tied a steel leader and clipped a treble hook on. at the other end of the leader i tied a loop that can be attched to the snap swivel at the end of my main tip up line.
For the trout i tied 10lb test berkely vanish flourocarbon line about 4 to 5 feet in length. i then tied a small treble hook straight to the leader or i tied a small single hook that already had a 6inch leader attached ( like the kind you can buy). again, i tied a small loop at the end of the leader that can be attched to the snap swivel on my main line.
with this system i can change my leader depending on the species im going after. there are no swivels in the leader. i feel then impair the action of the bait. i used fourocarbon line for trout because they are very picky. i havent had a chance to test this system yet but i think i will do great w/ it. i am also wondering whether or not to put split shot on the leader or on the main line or should i even use it at all? If anyonee has any suggestion about the split shot or about the leader system please post them. any help is greatly appreciated. good luck this year to everyone and many flags to you
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Fishinut,
The biggest reason that I use a split shot on my leaders is to keep the bait where I put it, especially when fishing deep water. Take notice the next time you put a minnow down a hole what direction it tries to swim. Just my 2 cents.
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Spider Wire works pretty good for leaders. It's soft and pliable.
Have used it open water fishing but not for icefishing yet.
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Let me throw another vote for Flourocarbon line. Started fishing with it about 4 years ago for Salmon, (used strickly as a leader.) Almost doubled my catch in the clear water. Use it now for any leader whether it's open or iced waters. The one thing that has been a fault of the Flourocarbon, is it's ability to resist abrasion. This is of coarse a personnel opinion, so don't send the hounds after me! Once a toothy fish has nicked the line alittle, it comes off! Even in cold weather when I don't feel like re-tying leaders on a tip-up. I often have 5-10 leaders pre-tyed so this process is sped up a little. Oh yeah, I use 40 lb. Cabela's Seaguar leader material, found on the bottom of pg. 48 of the summer catalog. Flourocarbon line is also fantastic for shy species like Artic Grayling, Char, and Rainbows. Pike up here will get line shy so this leader material can increase strikes. These fish tend to be quite line shy and will take a lure readily, without the worries of thicker line deminsion. I hope this helps. Barleydog :'(
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I use black wire leaders. Never seems to stop the slough sharks from hitting. 8)
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I make my own quick strike rigs for pike using #4 or 6 trebles and wire which I picked up from ProAm Tackle here in Winnipeg. I believe the wire is from 7Strand, a California based firm. I used to use coated wire but for the past few years have gone with the uncoated stuff. Test is about 27 lbs. Has worked well for me and has accounted for several Master Angler size fish (+42 inches).
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has anyone noticed a differece in fish catch rate w/ or w/o a steel leader? just wondering :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Yes...I've noticed more productive days with floro over steel. My only "skunk" last year came on steel leaders. If you want to give it a try, put floro on half your traps and steel on the other. You will have to give it a half a dozen trips of so to see a real pattern. The clearer the water the more you will notice the difference.
I won't go back to steel. Floro leaders and a lipgripper (boga grip, berkley,etc) for lifting them out of the hole.
JMHO ;D
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I use mono for leader material, But i also think that if the pike are aggresive they will hit a dirty sock hanging from a tow chain. ;D. I use 25# test Mason line, It's a monofiliment leader material they sell at the bait store near me. the reason I use it is I don't like to switch leader's at prime time when the pike turn off and the walleye's turn on, I do switch bait sometimes, but I've also caught a 15" walleye on a 4" golden at sundown, the poor thing was choking on it, but he still hit it. IMHO......which aint worth much...
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I agree with ESOX! When you fish the clear water nothing beats Flourocarbon! Hey Greenhornet your right about on a hot day, pike will hit a tow chain and dirty sock rig! :D lol It's those days when the pressure has them lock jawed, or even when thier jaws are pink that makes pike a hard bite. Heck even up here in Alaska the pike bite can turn off, and the clear water just makes it harder to attract a bite. That's when it's time for a nice soft bait like herring or smelt on a stretch of Flourocarbon. It's hard to beat!
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But cant the pike break the flouro with thier sharp teeth. Has this ever happened to you or do u use a heavier pound test flouro for pike? I will try both this year.
Early this spring i was using a steel leader for stripped bass in the hudson ans wasnt getting any action at all. After i switched to a mono leader i caught about five 20+ lb fish. I could really tell the difference , but stripped bass dont have very sharp teeth so i didnt have to worry much. :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Fishinnut,
Well...sure a pike COULD bite through the line. I run 50# floro for leaders, which in it's self is pretty rugged. However, the key to catching pike on mono/floro rigs is to "play" the fish. You can't just haul it to the hole and yank it out. When a fish want's to run, let it run...just keep gental pressure on the line as it slides through your fingers. When it stops, slowly work it towards the hole. This may go on for a bit but I think it's a lot more fun then horsing the fish out of the water. When you get the fish to the hole it will probably run (almost always), let it go..keeping light pressure on the line. You will eventually be able to get the fishes head up the hole. Then I like to use a lip gripper (Boga grip, berkley, etc) to lift the fish out of the hole. It's much better on the fish and it keeps you from getting cut.
Hope that helps
Esox
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This year I'm going to use 80# Power Pro superbraid off my surf reel to leader my big game tip up. Stuff is super sensitive and durable.
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I'm gonna try some 30# berkly Ironsilk this year. I have heard tell that it is super resistant to abrasion and has low spool memory. I'll let ya'll know how it works! :'(
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well might shock ya but very rarely use leaders. i take a 24" medium action jiging pole and put a fly reel on it. throw 6lb Stren line on it with a split shot and a size 8-12 gold hook. just use some bass minnows or pike minnows. i also picked up this rod hilder that has 2 legs in the upsidedowm V shape. when it is drug on the ice the V legs flip out -- and stops the pole from going in. works great.
later
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Spider Wire works pretty good for leaders. It's soft and pliable.
Have used it open water fishing but not for icefishing yet.
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Spider Wire works pretty good for leaders. It's soft and pliable.
Have used it open water fishing but not for icefishing yet.
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Spider Wire works pretty good for leaders. It's soft and pliable.
Have used it open water fishing but not for icefishing yet.
I tried spider wire on northern and walleye in both cases when
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I use 50 lb braided on the spool of my tip up then a 3 foot piece of 20 lb fire line. most of the lakes that I fish in the pike that you catch average 5 pounds. The good thing about the 20 ld fire line is it does not scare the occasional walleye. if you don't feel it is enough get stronger line but keep the fire line short as it will cut your hand on a run.
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A few years ago I was on houghton lake in michigan. Its gets pounded and all we cought were hammer handles with steel. But I had one rigged w/17lb Vanish and we got one 39". I live in southern michigan and know of anyone using steel. Theres just too many lines in the water and the fish know it!
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i just use 20 pound leaders they always do the trick for me. :'(
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Tried 27 lb spiderwire for pike leaders and it is no good! Not tough enough at the hole. Have since went to 30lb floro, so far so good.
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I met a guy that changed my view this year. I put on 15# Trilene big game.. the only heavy line I had... and a 15 treble, and got my only keeper Pike this year. I fished 2 days in the worst time to get them and got a 10 lber... used 5 inch minnow
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probably spend 30+days every year just targeting pike, and would never dream of using anything other than steel leaders. take one look inside a 20+lb pike and then you will not feel so sure about using mono, florocarbon, or braided line, none of which can GUARANTEE no bite offs. i use a 35lb wire T harness to hold big bait like tulibees and perch.
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Meadowpikeman,
Where do you fish for pike?
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Pike can bite through most mono about 1/3 of the time. The only thing that can virtually guarantee no bite offs are wire or steel. However I have never had a pike bite through 14/6 fireline when using it as leader. I know they can still bite through it, but it's difficult for them. It has to be held very tight to cut, and only a sharp knife can do it then. So a pike can bite through it but not often.
I think I will also heed Esox's advice and try 50# fluoro this year. For him to lose only 2 pike to bite offs on it is good. I think I'll try fireline on half the tip ups, and fluoro on the others.
Tyler
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Banginwal, i fish mostly Besnard, Waterhen, and Tobin for pike. I feel the right location and right bait is much more important than invisible leaders. especially at tobin I would hate to lose a single fish due to a florocarbon leader. up here when often you end up with a dozen flags in an hour not spooking fish with wire leaders isn't much of a worry. At tobin last year we landed a 21# with two mono quick strike rigs stuck in her mouth. 95 percent of pike anglers here in sask use wire.
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MeadowPikeman,
Thanks for the info. I exclusively fish wire leaders (sometimes quick strike rigs, other times single hooks), but am going to try 30lb Mr. Seaguar flurocarbon this year as many in my area are convinced their catch rate has gone up because of it.
I'll let you know how things are going around Feb.
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Man would I ever love 12 flags in a day, let alone an hour. A successful day in any of Colorado's Pike lakes through the ice is 1 pike, despite pike being numerous in many of these lakes. We usually get a flag or two at best, regardless of leader, live or dead bait, or jigging. I have no clue why. If I had that kind of action though, I would use wire because I wouldn't want the chance of one biting off. I would say with standard mono about one in three bite off, and maybe one in ten with fireline. I am going to also try the fluoro experiment this year too. Will have to see what the results are.
Tyler
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if one in ten bit off the would be at least a two or three bite offs a a day especially early and late in the ice season when the bite is hot. we have landed 30+ fish in a couple hours not to mention ones we lost that day. to cut down on fish numbers i try to stick to lakes where you can specifically target trophy fish(over 40 inches) as catching the smaller ones gets old.
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I would have to agree, i use nothing but wire leaders. I strongly believe that it would not make much of a difference where i fish.
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i like to use what "Bob_D" uses. think thats the best way yet. plus u really need along leader.
happy jigging
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Wire leader always. minumum 12 inches.
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My quickstrikes (that's all that is ever near the fish's mouth) are built on about 12" wire leader material. I attach that to about 30" of heavy mono "leader" that goes onto the end of my braided dacron. Two years ago I tried without the mono leader between the dacron and quickstrike and I'd say my catches did drop off abit. Last year I went back to the mono leader and I was happy with my catches.
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I've tried everything and the best for me is wire 27lb sevenstrand or 27lb singlestrand.I have never had a breakoff with either set up.With the others I have had breakoffs. If your fishing for truly large fish I wouldn't fish with anything else. We're into preserving the fishery so why use something that can breakoff in the fish.
Catch and Release.
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I've always been a wire leader guy, but I just ordered a spool of 50# fluorocarbon. I'm excited to try it, I think some of our better pike lakes around by me get enough pressure that they spook from the wire. My best example so far this year is I had 3 tipups with wire on them, and there were some other guys nearby set for walleye. They kept getting pike, and I didn't have a flag. Same depth on the edge of a shallow weedy flat, and the same minnows. Only thing different were the leaders.
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Got my spool of 50lb Triplefish Fluorocarbon yesterday. Great stuff. Bob - what kind of knots do you use to tie your leaders with this heavy line??? I played around and ended up inventing my own knot - palomar was hard to tie, clinch was too bulky.
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I just use an improved clinch knot. I use something like a screw driver in the bend of the hook to hold that end and use a pair of pliars to tighten the knot with the tag end of the line.
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Fishinut,
The biggest reason that I use a split shot on my leaders is to keep the bait where I put it, especially when fishing deep water. Take notice the next time you put a minnow down a hole what direction it tries to swim. Just my 2 cents.
I understand exactally what you are saying anytime I take the weight off the leader the bait ends up tangled in to the weeds.