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Ice Fishing Tips -Check your local regulations! => Equipment => Ice Fishing With Electronics => Topic started by: PerchEyes on Jan 11, 2022, 07:16 PM
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Watch this video and tell me what you think: [/youtube]
I think it is all personal choice but at some point too much technology spoils the fun.
I’m no purist as I do use a low end flasher (Vexilar FL8) to measure depth and verify if anything is below the hole.
Once I see active fish, I prefer to pull the transducer out and fish old school.
It’s not just about “catching”.
Your opinion?
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im in the same group as you. no sport/fun in finding fish with just technology. those of us that learned to fish by reading maps and learning where fish mite be from actual fishing tend to disregard those with more tech. than skills. anyone with a few grand to pissaway can instantly become an Al Lindner now. and it will only get worse.
like hunting shows with bait feeders or penned up animals, i turn the channel when they are finding fish with these tools. thats not really fishing. imo
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need video ...depends where and what i'm fishing for ...shallow water and lots of blue gills you don't need the vex weedy places it's a pain anyways fishing trout you need the vex
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My grandfather's depth finder was his anchor line with knots tied every 5 feet.
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I was just talking to my 15 year old son who told me he couldn't catch anymore perch after his sonar battery died. That kinda says it all.
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I don't use any electronics on the ice. I do keep a depth weight in my tackle box, though. I mostly fish shallows, though, so I rarely use it.
I have an old, old Humminbird in the boat, but that's mostly to help avoid running into crap on the river where the depth changes drastically real quick.
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More electronics the better.
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i will have to ask siri
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Siri prefers Livescope vs. Mega Live.
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I am in the middle....
If I'm going to put time and effort into being on the water... i want to be successful... I dont keep everything I catch so for me I'm doing it for SOME FOOD but mostly for the pure enjoyment and relaxation.. I have a marcum flasher and I still can't catch every fish that shows up ... still takes work!!!!!
no matter how much technology you have... you still have to put in the time to really succeed...
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I am pretty happy just with my Marcum Showdown when I am jigging, seems to add to the amount of fish I put on the ice. While this thing looks cool and it will have you on many more fish I am too cheap to go spending over $2K on one. If you show up on the lake with me, I would not turn away your suggestion as to where to drill my next hole.
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Won’t leave home without my Vexilar. I can still catch fish without it but it definitely helps finding fish. I won’t be getting into the livescope/mega live game though. The vex is about where I draw the line for ice fishing. Even on my bass boat I only have sonar/down/side imaging.
Haven’t caught a brown or rainbow through the ice yet but have heard you’re basically going home skunked if you don’t have one
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Haven’t caught a brown or rainbow through the ice yet but have heard you’re basically going home skunked if you don’t have one
Browns and rainbows are my primary targets. I've been ice fishing for them with good success for 40 years. I have never one time used any electronic device to catch a trout.
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Browns and rainbows are my primary targets. I've been ice fishing for them with good success for 40 years. I have never one time used any electronic device to catch a trout.
Sounds like I really suck more than I thought then ;D
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Love to see the vex lines come up to the bait, tons of feedback. Usually don't set flags too much with electronics, just getting an idea of where I'm at.
All a personal choice, but no cameras, flasher yep!
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I basically like to see the depth especially if I'm on uncharted waters after that I'm just looking for marks for a few minutes and if nothing shows it's off to the next hole They do make us smarter fishermen but they still can't make the fish bite
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I wouldnt want to fish for lakers without my electronics. Blind jigging isnt necessarily my kind of fun. Panfish in areas you know are good, i cant skirt by but i wouldnt want to fish for my favorite winter species without my electronics. There's still plenty of knowledge needed to find and catch fish, but im also out to catch the fish, and a lot of them too when theyre in the mood. Anything i can do to help that, only adds to my fun. My live cam is a blast to watch fish come in and eat on. Ive only improved my jigging since ive had it. I have a friend who got a panoptics this year and it was incredibly cool to watch pike come through and eat. I started without any electronics and over the years have only picked up more of them and have had more fun on the ice because of it.
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I use a flasher. I chase perch and when the bite is hot you don't really need it. I fished a long time without one and caught fish. But I can definately say that when they are fussy and bite is slow I will out fish my friends that don't have one. I might spend 10 minutes trying to intice 1 fish that's looking at my lure and figure out how to make it bite. 1 fish every 10 min. = 24 in 4 hours. Not a great day but not skunked!
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I fish for fun. It's more fun when I catch more fish. Electronics help me catch more fish. Electronics help me have more fun. It's as simple as that. I'm sure when Vexilars came out there were hordes of complainers then, too, about the sport going down the drain.
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The more the better if you have younger kids just having a camera so they can see fish keeps them entertained out fishing your buddies is priceless
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great uncle Cletus never used electronics, just dynamite. No voodoo fish magic electronics so it was ok.
for real though, fish how ya want
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The more the better if you have younger kids just having a camera so they can see fish keeps them entertained out fishing your buddies is priceless
Couldnt agree more!!!!
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It's like those rubber gloves they started using in football, once I started using a graph and now my new flasher I am catching alot more passes! LOL.
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If you resent technology your catching way less fish then the next guy and there’s no way around it old timer in ya maybe technology will wipe every fish out of the lakes soon and that’s the way of the future live scope mega live and lowrance active target are all out and marcum and vexilar might be next the fl30 is 760$ I think
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I have posted before;
I would not be surprised if at the old tackle shop there were some ancient anglers saying that in their day a willow limb with a tarred cord, was all they needed, not some fancy braided horse-hair line and a split cane rod... The old American Indian sitting in the back corner of the shop was mumbling under his breath that he just needed a hole, a couple of hides to lay down on and to cover him, and a spear... Not some fancy hooks and lines...
Most of us don't need the high-tech gear to catch fish, but that does not mean we don't want to use it... I grew up cutting my holes first with an axe and then got one of those fancy picks and was dam glad for it, now I use a battery power hand drill on an auger and only use the spud for safety... I don't miss it at all... Could I go back to the axe and catch fish, yes, and due to less time to fish and more time cutting holes I would get less fish.
I will end up with a Live Scope and it will help me find fish, and I will spend less time fishing empty water, it will still be up to me it entices that fish to bite. I am looking forward to it; as any open water flats fisherman will tell you; sight fishing is more fun! And that is what the Live Scope is, we just get to see where and what the fish are doing, just like when you get to fish open shallow clear water... Is it unfair when you get to fish in shallow clear water? Do the fish count for less then? I am sure we will have the same conversation when the next new-fangled tool comes out...
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Once you get to the livescope technology, fishing has become less of what it once was. There will be many people that will post to justify there livescope or mega live technology and tell you there's still a lot of skill set to catching fish. And to each their own, thats ok.
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I compare getting a livescope or other type of live imaging to using cheat codes in games. I remember always using these cheat codes after playing a game for a few months. Turn on the setting or running additional software to become rich/powerful/etc, basically invincible. It was only fun for about a week and then the game was ruined. No longer any fun. Boring to play. I see the live imaging doing that for me.
I enjoy the scouting, I enjoy the hunt and then the reward. Even on a no fish day using sonar, at least I got to know the structures around. With a camera and sonar I'm pretty happy stopping there.
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I'm from the old school to. But I did get a flasher and what a game changer. My brother is still old school and catches more and bigger fish than me almost every time! I agree when is it enough? It's not fishing anymore! It does take the fun and challenge out of it.
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Kinda like sneakin' a peek at those Christmas presents when ya were a kid, right? ;Did that ONCE, and it ruined my Christmas. I use my flasher/locator and once in a while my cam, but mainly just to scan the bottom structure. Still like the surprise of that bobber goin' down and pulling up whatever I hooked. It all depends on what and why you are going fishing, and what you are looking for. I like to just get away and have a "simpler", quiet time, with some enjoyable experiences. More old school for me, I guess. ;D
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There's no reason to get defensive, it's all a matter of preference. It's whatever floats yer boat.
I really like tipups. I never need electronics for setting tipups and never will.
I jig occasionally but casually and don't depend on it. Most of the guys I fish with have electronics for jigging. They have the advantage when it comes to locating schools of panfish. Even so, once they find the schools, I often out fish them side by side.
I also have a preference for nature and outdoor experience. I spend enough time staring at screens the rest of the time. When I'm outdoors I don't want any screens or devices.
I may not catch as many panfish as the dialed in electronics guys but I certainly catch all I want. I don't feel I'm lacking success or missing out on anything by a lack of electronics.
I miss the days when it was harder to find fish and a certain level of skill was required. It cut down on the googans. There were less guys on the ice and most of them had a higher level of skill. The mediocre ones dropped out and sold their gear for cheap.
Now anyone who has YouTube and a sonar unit can come out and catch fish. Which is great for them. Just doesn't help with the crowds and googanism.
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100% agree with you mikez, other than I don't use tipups ;D I push paper at a desk in front of a computer every day. I fish to get away from people and tech. Mostly people, but still :P
Concur with you too, Reb, the surprise is half the fun. From the boat I can tell what I have on the line a lot of the time just from how it feels/what it's doing, but through the ice I never really know what I've hooked until I see it coming up the hole.
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I'm an old guy.....but I'd never go old school again......my priority is to catch fish.....My Vex,Marcum, and cam help me do that.....not saying that I didn't catch buckets of fish old school..... But they are great tools to have......I'm a run and gun jiggy guy perch,crappie and bulls are.my game.
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100% agree with you mikez, other than I don't use tipups ;D I push paper at a desk in front of a computer every day. I fish to get away from people and tech. Mostly people, but still :P
Concur with you too, Reb, the surprise is half the fun. From the boat I can tell what I have on the line a lot of the time just from how it feels/what it's doing, but through the ice I never really know what I've hooked until I see it coming up the hole.
Agree, I like to get away and relax. Not the race around the ice kinda guy. If I get a bucket of fish, that's the topping on the cake. And always a good surprise when ya pull out a kitty cat...or an otter pokes his head up. :woot:
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One thing I didn't mention is I haven't caught a laker through the ice. Last year was my first ever try and I got blanked. I'm a small water guy who felt overwhelmed on the big lake.
Everything I learn about Lakers suggests electronics is the game changer. If I try again for them I will definitely be following someone with sonar.
At least till I have them figured out.
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One thing I didn't mention is I haven't caught a laker through the ice. Last year was my first ever try and I got blanked. I'm a small water guy who felt overwhelmed on the big lake.
Everything I learn about Lakers suggests electronics is the game changer. If I try again for them I will definitely be following someone with sonar.
At least till I have them figured out.
Thing with lakers is that you dont know what they're doing that day without the electronics. Imo its not worth it jigging for them without them. Some days theyre hugging the bottom and you need to finesse them off the bottom. Other days its a slow lift with a very light tap. Other days theyre middle of the water column and coming in hot to your bait. Not to mention the chasers. Nothing like watching a fish race up as fast as it can, covering 60+ fow in a few seconds to smash your lure. w/o electronics you dont get that joy. A hot laker bite when theyre chasing all day cant be topped in my mind. I can understand tip ups, dont use them either its faster with my sounder, or panfish where you can figure it out with a few simple jigging techniques, but theyre crucial if you want sustained success when targeting certain species.
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Agree, I like to get away and relax. Not the race around the ice kinda guy. If I get a bucket of fish, that's the topping on the cake. And always a good surprise when ya pull out a kitty cat...or an otter pokes his head up. :woot:
Usually, where I poke my first hole is where I sit. I might move once or twice in a day, if the fishing is super slow to the point I'm not actually seeing any fish down the hole. I can see the bottom at most ponds I hit.
One of the ponds I fish had a muskrat poke himself up the hole a few times last season... scared the crap out of me every time. I've fished the same pond a couple times this year, but he hasn't made an appearance yet. I'd never seen it before last season, though, so maybe it moved on.
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;D
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I remember the first time I dropped the transducer on my vex fl8 Thought it was pretty kool! And started catching gills and after awhile I kind of felt like I was cheating! Didn’t stop me using it or the fl 18 that I bought a few years later, or the HB Helix that I bought a few years later. This is as far as I need to upgrade. To all the folks that want to get the newest tech good for you! I fish mostly the same waters every year. And if I happen to get to the lake and don’t have my electronics I can still catch some panfish. Having said that I would rather have the edge!
Keep it safe! JDL
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So, what I am not understanding is if you are fishing a flat in open water and you can see the fish you are casting too, is that cheating, less skilled, or less fun? Because the new electronics are just letting you see where to "cast", just like fishing a sand flat for stripers or a rising trout in a stream, if that is cheating, then I am a cheater... If fishing blind makes it more fun, why don't anglers do it blindfolded? Yes I can fish blind and do well, but I don't need to, so I don't. If you don't want to look at a screen, I can understand that, but the good news is you don't have to. Each time a new tech comes along, someone will say it is cheating or not fair, but fishing is about having fun (maybe with some fillets included) and each of us finds a different part of fishing to be the most fun. For some, it is the social aspect, or the getting away from others, for me it is that moment of the bite, that tug with its endless possibility. Electronics help in saving time and can make it even more fun (as said, tough to beat a hot laker bite on a good sounder for excitement). If the tech starts catching fish for you, then I will be right beside you, saying that not really fishing... Until then it is still plenty sporting...
This reminds me of how often you hear people say "Kids Today" and then go on about the demise of Western Civilization, because of those very kids... You know who else spent a lot of time thinking that the "kids Today" will be the end of mankind; Socrates, that Greek philosopher that was born in 470 BC, and yet we are still here...
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What is this seeing fish in open water you speak of? I don't understand. This is the land of chocolate milk. :roflmao:
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For me electronics are a window into the advance study of fish behaviour. One of the reasons I love fishing is the ability to learn and adapt accordingly. I habe had days where the electronics made the day and days where I stare endlessly into a blank screen. End of the day the deciding factor is effort and time spent. I know plenty of guys that do just fine jigging blind. I was one of them.
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What is this seeing fish in open water you speak of? I don't understand. This is the land of chocolate milk.
You have my sympathy... This is what electronics can do for you with your mud that you fishing (well a little like it);
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I have limited time to fish, if there is a tool I can use to help me take better advantage of that time. why not??
Years I spent with no flasher, sure I caught fish and enjoyed every minute on the ice. But I evolved along with the technology for fishing, now I am much more open to new ideas and tech.
Flashers let me see what's going on and to confirm what is working and what isnt.
I also tend agree with Jon, I have learned a lot about fish behavior just by simply looking at my graph to see how different species of fish react to different baits under different conditions. It feel that is what makes it fun for me. Its a constant game of cat and mouse. What can I do with the data I am seeing or not seeing that can help me have a productive day on the ice.
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For me electronics are a window into the advance study of fish behaviour.
This right here. I got a livescope setup this year, and I have almost as much fun just seeing how the fish behave as I do catching them.
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Livescope is a killer of intuition to a certain point.
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You have my sympathy... This is what electronics can do for you with your mud that you fishing (well a little like it);
We get by ;)
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I won't bother fishing without electronics. I use my Vex, Garmin and the camera all the time. I strictly ice fish for lake trout, the bigger the better.
I also know that all the electronics don't make the fish bite. I like being able to watch their reaction to different jigging techniques and learning more efficiently how to trigger a bite.
My electronics help me eliminate bi-catch as I'm not interested in cookie cutter fish. I also learned when to leave a group of fish that were not actively feeding. Not sure I would of learned that without electronics.
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When I got my first fish finder (Buddy) years ago it was a big upgrade for Lakers. Fishing to fish or move and picking off suspended fish were the primary game changers for me.
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I always use a flasher when jigging. Have both the base models Humminbird ice 35, and Marcum M1. Makes the game way more fun and productive.
I don't plan on upgrading to live view style, price is way too much for my liking, and also more cumbersome to haul around, as I trekk on foot.
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Use what you want. I've come full circle. Started with a bucket, spud, sounder and "line on a sick" to using a Livescope this season. At my age I want all the help I can get. I have the time to find 'em but not the stealth I used to.
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I saw a Schick video a while back where he was in a mini-competition with his boat-mate.
The other guy was just fishing while Clayton played video games(Livescope). The other guy was slaying. Eventually CS started just fishing too and quickly caught up.
I've seen guys spend hours on a lake without ever wetting a line, just cruising around looking at the screen, and they call that fishing.
To each their own, but I'd much rather pick some structure and drop a line. I use a little striker 4 to see what is below me. Being able to pan around and see a 200 foot circle in sharp detail doesn't seem quite right. Now that tournaments are starting to ban the that tech means at least some others agree.
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I think if your a good fisherman to begin with the less electronics is need to catch fish.jmo
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What's clear is that the prospect of simpley being lost and overly intimidated by the use of electronics has forced some old school anglers to disparage the use of them by others.
That can happen when you fish the same two bodies of water for 40 years straight.
I'm 67 and ready to put the Livescope to use this season...with no intimidation factor.
What's clear is you ...or anyone else...making assumptions with little to no actual knowledge about ones audience. That is ignorance by any definition.
Now I think I will go play with my Abacus.
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Started off my ice fishing with nothing but a rod and an auger. Eventually got my first flasher which was definitely a game changer. I now had the opportunity to use the livescope that one of my fishing partners purchased a couple years back, not mine. As much as the technology was amazing I will admit it wasn’t fun at all. I knew all I was doin was cheating and as I targeted more fish, I found a lot of followers out on the hardwater watching. Yea there’s no two ways about, you’ll automatically catch more with a livescope but it takes out the ‘hunting’ part of fishing. I’ll stick with the flasher.
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I mean, who cares? Honestly. As long as one is following their states laws and regulations, just enjoy your time on the water. If that’s means thousands in electronic gear, do it up. If it means a lantern box and a schooley, do it up… I enjoy fishing. I enjoy modern technology. It was only a matter of time (and finances) before the two intertwined. I was born in the 90’s so all of this “new” tech is still new to me. Having said that, I have a couple of cheaper Marcum’s that do everything I need; depth marking and monitoring fish activity. The rest is up to me.
Just go fishing, man.
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If you can afford the toys you want and stay within your laws go for it , even with all these electronic wonders 1 still needs to put a lure down a hole and entice a fish to bite
Good luck to all this winter
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What's clear is that the prospect of simpley being lost and overly intimidated by the use of electronics has forced some old school anglers to disparage the use of them by others.
That can happen when you fish the same two bodies of water for 40 years straight.
Needs more strawman. Not quite enough assumptions and logical fallacy. Nice gaslighting in your follow-up post, though.
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IMO, for me anyway, too many electronics just takes away from the "fun/suspense of the hunt"....and I love electronics. I use a locater and mini-cam, but after I'm done scouting it out, I just use the locater. I usually fish the lakes I know really well, and the structures and spots that support what I'm after. Too much makes it like, pardon the pun, shooting fish in a barrel. I like a little suspense, I don't want to know what's in every xmas present before I open 'em. There's a lot more to it to me than just yanking out as many fish as you can with a 100% success rate. Using your wits and knowledge of the area just makes the catch all that much sweeter.Kinda like that first girlfriend, the chase is half the fun, then comes the reward. ;) Guess that's middle of the road old school/new tech, that works for me. But whatever works for anyone, go for it. You're out there to enjoy it however you do it.
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IMO, for me anyway, too many electronics just takes away from the "fun/suspense of the hunt"....and I love electronics. I use a locater and mini-cam, but after I'm done scouting it out, I just use the locater. I usually fish the lakes I know really well, and the structures and spots that support what I'm after. Too much makes it like, pardon the pun, shooting fish in a barrel. I like a little suspense, I don't want to know what's in every xmas present before I open 'em. There's a lot more to it to me than just yanking out as many fish as you can with a 100% success rate. Using your wits and knowledge of the area just makes the catch all that much sweeter.Kinda like that first girlfriend, the chase is half the fun, then comes the reward. ;) Guess that's middle of the road old school/new tech, that works for me. But whatever works for anyone, go for it. You're out there to enjoy it however you do it.
X2!
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IMO, for me anyway, too many electronics just takes away from the "fun/suspense of the hunt"....and I love electronics. I use a locater and mini-cam, but after I'm done scouting it out, I just use the locater. I usually fish the lakes I know really well, and the structures and spots that support what I'm after. Too much makes it like, pardon the pun, shooting fish in a barrel. I like a little suspense, I don't want to know what's in every xmas present before I open 'em. There's a lot more to it to me than just yanking out as many fish as you can with a 100% success rate. Using your wits and knowledge of the area just makes the catch all that much sweeter.Kinda like that first girlfriend, the chase is half the fun, then comes the reward. ;) Guess that's middle of the road old school/new tech, that works for me. But whatever works for anyone, go for it. You're out there to enjoy it however you do it.
Feel the same way. I will use electronics to a point. I will use a camera to find out what's beneath me, and then its the flasher. Thought about the new sonar units, but I can't justify the cost and size. I waited 30 yrs before the size of a cell phone came in a manageable size, so will wait to see how these new finders evolve. I think that I will still use the flasher - its gotten to the point that I talk to it more than my fishing partner!!
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I think that I will still use the flasher - its gotten to the point that I talk to it more than my fishing partner!!
Perfectly fine, as long it it doesn't talk back to you.
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I talk to it more than my fishing partner!!
Now ain’t that the truth! And the fish!
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Am I the only one who hears voices when I’m on the ice? ::)
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Anyone with more electronics than me isn't sporting :roflmao: :whistle:
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If you can afford it and want to use it great. If you can’t, great. If you can afford a decked out skeeter, great. If you can only afford a 14’ tinner, great.
This argument is moot.
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I started with basic gear and went a few years of buying a new toy or two a year to enhance my experience as I learned that I loved ice fishing. I spent 2 years without a flasher and learned plenty that way. At that point I felt that I wasn’t learning at the same rate and got a flasher. Back to learning again. This year I finally got a livescope and I am very excited to stop burning my cell phone battery in 5 minutes using navi in artic temps. Also learning in real time how to trigger (or repel) fish in a given situation. I work in front of a computer and agree with the tech fatigue arguement. I also like to get away on these adventures and there are nights when I dream about the vex lights lol. It’s not the tech, it’s how the individual chooses to use it. As I get older I find less time and capable buddies to travel around ice fishing. That’s mean I fish a bit less and my fishing time is more valuable. If livescope allows me to look at map and make better scouting desicions based on results that make my experience more enjoyable. I generally don’t even keep freshwater fish so it’s not about that for me. I just want to make epic memories. Plus it’s freaking cool!
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Just an easier way to catch them. Gotta do what makes you happy.
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Other than a scouting camera for initial setup , really never saw the need to spend more on optics than i did for the winter/ beater p/u truck to get there.
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Just an easier way to catch them. Gotta do what makes you happy.
Amen Brother! I'm not in any competition! I don't run around showing everybody what I caught. I catch fish because I love to catch fish. As long as it's legal and ethical, I'm good with it. The technology has dramatically helped us learn how to catch far more fish, and added a lot more enjoyment because we are constantly learning and evolving. I don't give a rip if anyone likes it or not. I assure you I'm not going to be rubbing my success in anyone's face so if someone has an opinion on what I'm using and gets butt-hurt over my success maybe they should keep their nose where it belongs. I love the tech. I understand lots of people don't. I'm good with that too. I promise not to show off all the fish I catch!
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After reading the replies i wonder how many would go back to the horse and buggy to get to their fishing destination ?LOL This sounds alot like the compound bow guys mad at the Cross bow guys , sour grapes if you don't do it my way then you are cheating somehow mentality !
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I can never understand why these posts keep coming up. Fish with what you like, hunt with what you like and keep your damn mouth shut about what others are doing................. ...none of your business.
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Sounds like some are pretty upset by this question or topic, hmmm, wonder why? :whistle:
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To echo most...if it's legal, do what you want. Morally...still up to you.
No amount of electronics is gonna catch fish...they can only find them.
As an old fart, the less I have to walk around to find them...the better.
My buddy just bought a Livescope. The plan? Use it to locate fish however far away. Grab the Vex. Fish a hole or 2. Repeat. Get our limit and go home.
No guilt trip here.
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I am super happy with my Helix 5 and that's about all I can afford. However I'd jump at the chance for Livescope just to maximize my time while fishing. I don't have as many opportunities to get out as I used to, so I want to find productive water ASAP.
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Should I feel guilty getting one of the Roboview underwater drones? Some may have seen it at the MN ice fishing shows. I don't have it yet, they sold out at the Blaine show, and I should get it in a month.
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Should I feel guilty getting one of the Roboview underwater drones? Some may have seen it at the MN ice fishing shows. I don't have it yet, they sold out at the Blaine show, and I should get it in a month.
Never feel guilty buy whatever you want and and of course is legal and to hell with people who say different. People have to mind their own damn business on how OTHER people choose to enjoy the outdoors. Some of the biggest enemies the outdoor community has are those who think that they (Liberals) should dictate what others should buy and use. MIND YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS.
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Never feel guilty buy whatever you want and and of course is legal and to hell with people who say different. People have to mind their own damn business on how OTHER people choose to enjoy the outdoors. Some of the biggest enemies the outdoor community has are those who think that they (Liberals) should dictate what others should buy and use. MIND YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS.
Lmao, far from a liberal. It’s called getting lazy and dumb, much like our society these days. Think the liberals are the the ones taking to this “easy, no brained” technology. MIND YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS AND LIVE FREE SPEECH!!! Caters to the lazy bunch in my mind.
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Agréé. But guilty!! In the 70s would be out all day, no shelter, no gas auger, no fish finder. Still caught fish and had a blast! Now sit inside à sheltet, and watch my flasher.
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How does tech lead into politics? Stop with this silliness. If you enjoy yourself, you are doing it right. :tipup:
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How does tech lead into politics? Stop with this silliness. If you enjoy yourself, you are doing it right. :tipup:
Politics are a mind set an ideology. If you have read or watched anything on Liberals you will see that they decide what they like and what is right for them................wh ich is fine............. but then they find it necessary to tell you that what they decide is right for them is right for you too. Politics effect every part of you your life...............if you don't see that your not paying attention.
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Politics are a mind set an ideology. If you have read or watched anything on Liberals you will see that they decide what they like and what is right for them................wh ich is fine............. but then they find it necessary to tell you that what they decide is right for them is right for you too. Politics effect every part of you your life...............if you don't see that your not paying attention.
Questions of opinion. Nothing to do with politics. Some people like to project their ideas more than others. Use whatever tactics make you happy, as long as they are legal in your area.
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Politics are a mind set an ideology. If you have read or watched anything on Liberals you will see that they decide what they like and what is right for them................wh ich is fine............. but then they find it necessary to tell you that what they decide is right for them is right for you too. Politics effect every part of you your life...............if you don't see that your not paying attention.
You don't have to follow any ideology that you don't like. Just go fishing.
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How does tech lead into politics? Stop with this silliness. If you enjoy yourself, you are doing it right. :tipup:
Someone posted liberal ideaology about society. I laugh when a single person thinks they can sum up the entirety of a society in a couple words.
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Someone posted liberal ideaology about society. I laugh when a single person thinks they can sum up the entirety of a society in a couple words.
I've got a couple words on society: It's way more complicated than that...
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For me a flasher is too much tech. Rather not be staring at a screen all day. I have a graph that requires less attention,IMO. It least it gets less from me. Glance at screen, glance at the scenery, at your buds to see if they are getting hits, back at screen etc.
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Until they start making a device that makes the fish swim right up and jump out of the hole, I don't think anything is too much. Not to say I'm ever going to go the route of the fancy cameras and all that extra stuff, but I won't begrudge anyone who does. Just like your tackle, sled, anything else, it's a tool that can help add to your experience and improve your success. Cheers to the people who use it, and cheers to those who don't.
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For me a flasher is too much tech. Rather not be staring at a screen all day. I have a graph that requires less attention,IMO. It least it gets less from me. Glance at screen, glance at the scenery, at your buds to see if they are getting hits, back at screen etc.
This is how I feel. I stare at screens enough all day as it is, I don't care to be out in nature staring at another screen the whole time. I'm sure I would catch more fish with electronics but I already catch enough to stock the freezer and eat fish until the following ice season so i'll save my money for something else.
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I kind of look at it like this you can have all the equipment in the world that doesn't mean you're gonna catch a fish it might tell you a fish around you but it's not gonna get them to bite the hook. That's where the skill Of presentation trump's electronics all day everyday
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Before this year I have never owned a flasher (I bought a Garmin Striker 4 from a buddy). I have watched other guys use them, and toyed around a little with them myself. I learned to fish without electronics. However, lots of times you end up fishing blind, have no idea if (or how) the fish are reacting, etc. I have caught fish without the fancy toys. For me, having the flasher helps to know where the fish are, and if they're chasing. Electronics can't make them bite, or set the hook for you though. For me, all the flasher does is keep the interest in the chase. I know there are fish there, and I know they're looking, now I just have to figure out how to make them bite. Yes, it helps, but honestly, if they're gonna bite, they're gonna bite, electronics don't change that part. They can be just as frustrating though if you know they are there, and they don't want what your dangling!
It's all personal opinion, I'm good with whatever side of the fence you're on, as both sides have valid points.
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The main purpose of a FF, IMO, is to keep the fisherman amused and entertained (and re-assured that there are fish down there) so he doesn't pack up and go home. That way he tends to stay longer and generally catch more fish! ;D OTOH, if he is seeing lots of fish but getting no bites he might get discouraged and give up early! ;D