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Vermont => Ice Fishing Vermont => Topic started by: RipSomeLips22 on Mar 06, 2016, 09:17 AM
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So went fishing at the Sandbar State Park friday morning, and when got there after getting bait there was already a vehicle already there. I noticed it to be a greyish or tan pickup with Sure Strike fishing charters on the side. There was 2 guys already on the ice, one was heavy set. We jigged for perch near the swamp but didn't have much luck. We worked our way out to the drop off where we would only pick up one here and there. After giving it a couple hours we made our way back to shore. As we got closer we noticed piles of little perch everywhere around a bunch of 6 inch holes. well over 100 of little dink perch. I took pictures with my cell phone because I couldn't believe that someone would waste all these perch. I hate to point the finger, but was pretty obvious that the group fishing out of Sure Strike fishing charters decided to dump the perch rather then take them. I don't understand why a person involved with a reputable business would do something like this. As for I wasn't the only person to witness this, it sure has turned me off from ever using this business. Has anyone dealt with this company before? And it being just perch it probably shouldn't be a big deal, as the seagulls and other birds had a good meal, just seems to me as a waste.
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Sounds like wanton waste to me, 3 years revoked license. You should turn them in, if they have that kind of disregard for perch, chances are they are breaking other laws too.
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F&G should be made aware. Those fish not only grow up to become bigger perch and eventually breaded and fried, but the little ones also feed larger gamefish.
I've never understood fishermen throwing away their catch instead of either taking it home and enjoying it, or releasing it.
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there was a post on ice shanty new york last year on this and new one this year on people catching pickeral and throwing them on the ice and leaving them there. regardless the species it is illegal. thanks for posting this and making more fisherman aware of this since it is all of our fish.
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I think myself and several others know who the people are that you are referring to. it surprises me very much that they would do this. my only guess is that the fish were very wormy??? go figure.
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Should have turned them in. Especially if the fish hadn't even froze yet. Even if they couldn't get them for it just to let them know people are watching them.
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Sounds like this is a common thing among so called "trash fisherman". Not sure what to refer to them as but I won't put them in the same category as true sportsmen/sportswomen. Here in MI I've seen this done with perch, bluegills, and a few rockbass. I just don't get it. They probably think that the fish will never grow to keeper size, the fish will bite again, if they release it it will scare off the school. If you don't like catching dinks there's a simple solution. Either move and find the bigger fish or fish a different lake.
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I think myself and several others know who the people are that you are referring to. it surprises me very much that they would do this. my only guess is that the fish were very wormy??? go figure.
This surprises me also! I think leaving fish on th ice is just plan wrong, but the weird thing is a went on a charter with them with my friend. They seemed like good people, and people me on the lake trout. weird....
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Whatever reptilian primal drive possessed these troglodites to waste such life is probably the same drive that makes poachers shoot deer at night and leave them there... Namely, a sick desire to senselessly kill... makes them feel big and strong. If only Daddy had hugged them growing up...
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I saw the result of the same thing on Joes Pond last winter except these were nice keeper size yellow perch scattered around on top of the ice. I talked to one of the regular shanty dwellers asking what was up with this. He also was very annoyed and indicated that it was a group of trout fishermen that frequent the pond and get sick of losing their bait to the pesky perch. What a shame. I've never seen someone doing this but am glad I now have a smart phone so I can force the issue if it ever arises.
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it was a group of trout fishermen that frequent the pond and get sick of losing their bait to the pesky perch.
So they're too good to take the perch home and eat them? Sure, trout are wonderful, but perch are wonderful too.
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Uneducated = Unethical :(
If they had known the true value of those fish to the ecosystem, then maybe they would have acted like true sportsmen and put them back down the hole.
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So they're too good to take the perch home and eat them? Sure, trout are wonderful, but perch are wonderful too.
I think perch are even better. I actually scavenged a couple of the larger perch that had been left behind since they were still in very good shape.
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Don't those guys buy large amounts of perch or am I mistaken?
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I don't even throw alewife on the ice. They aren't bad fried- hopefully that catches on so people will fish that species back into local extinction.
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I'm still waiting to see the picture of the 100 fish.
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this is no doubt a nasty wasteful thing to do,but shooting pickerel in the spring bothers me even more,lots of people leave them on the bank to rot or make no effort to retrieve them,Pike are a great game fish and taste wonderful too
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that is why bow fishing never thrilled me that much. waste of fish not much of a challenge. didnt see much point to it. Dont know to many people that want a carp or a gar.
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that is why bow fishing never thrilled me that much. waste of fish not much of a challenge. didnt see much point to it. Dont know to many people that want a carp or a gar.
Do Chinese restaurants have any interest in carp or gar?
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they used to take carp, not any more.
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Gar isn't that much different from pike or pickerel really. Carp takes a bit of prep, but it can be good. You need to brine it with a milk/brine mix overnight to soften the taste a bit. There is an extra row of y-bones that you'll need to work around as well. Unlike bowfin, which I have never found a way to make edible, carp can be pretty good with a little effort.
Gar are a lot of fun to go after with a fly rod and either streamer flies or soft plastics. They're in very shallow water and very easy to spook, making them one of the more challenging fish to target, IMO.
I've only done it a couple of times way back in my teens, but I'm not really against the sport of shooting fish as long as those who engage in it are using what they kill.
It's waste that ticks me off. If you're going to kill it, take it home and eat it.
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they are on facebook if you want to send them a message
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I would like to hear what the gentlemen being accused of wanton waste have to say in defense. I know that those guys are big supporters of clean water / healthy fishery. Will someone that knows them ask him whats up?
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I still would like to see the pictures of the over 100 perch on the ice. I'm suspecting that was stretching the truth quite a bit. I guess pictures would prove it.
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I still would like to see the pictures of the over 100 perch on the ice. I'm suspecting that was stretching the truth quite a bit. I guess pictures would prove it.
100, 50, 10......same difference. Killing fish for no reason is still killing fish for no reason.
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yeah, its an issue in NY too. Oh boy, am I waiting for the day to catch someone in the act doing it. Just ask the guys I caught trying to keep crappie in a C&R water body.
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I wasn't there to witness, but I heard someone was leaving pickerel on the ice at Joe's pond yesterday. I'm new to ice fishing, so I wonder how often this occurs.
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saw it myself on the ice this year too. guy caught what appeared to be a lake trout while perch fishing. called his friends over to celebrate and take a pic of him with it. then he threw it end for end in the air and across the ice for the birds to pick at. 10 or more people saw this.
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Well one would think those two from Sure Strike Fishing Charters
Would want to be more care full of their behavior.
If they are going to show their name.and break the
Law.all this bad press certainly isn't good for business.
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saw it myself on the ice this year too. guy caught what appeared to be a lake trout while perch fishing. called his friends over to celebrate and take a pic of him with it. then he threw it end for end in the air and across the ice for the birds to pick at. 10 or more people saw this.
As foul eating as they are I would have put it back down the hole.
Surprised the dump chickens would even eat it...lol.. ::)
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my neighbor eats them. I was about to tell them that before they flung it.
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is this working?
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This was just one hole, if you count, there is close to 70 fish. There was at least 6+ other holes that had an average of 6-12 perch around them
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my neighbor eats them. I was about to tell them that before they flung it.
I eat them, which shouldn't be a surprise. ::) They're another fish that needs a little brining overnight before cooking. For those kinds of fish I'll mix up a brine and put it right into the freezer bag with the fillets so when I take it out of the freezer it's all set to go.
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As foul eating as they are I would have put it back down the hole.
Surprised the dump chickens would even eat it...lol.. ::)
Lake trout not good eating? Your crazy! Lake trout are great eating! Very similar to salmon! I cook them the same way I do salmon. I don't brime them. Just fillet them out, and put them in the freezer. If you haven't tried lake trout you should cause there quite tasty...
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That's a shame...
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I still would like to see the pictures of the over 100 perch on the ice. I'm suspecting that was stretching the truth quite a bit. I guess pictures would prove it.
We'll there ya go. By the looks there was probably a lot more before the gulls got to them. I can see them in the pic waiting to get back after them.
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Here thats how to post the picture
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Scumbags -report them
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thanks cooljoe, much better.
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That's forage for other fish and the future for the next generation
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I contacted a Warden about an incident earlier this season where people were leaving pickerel on the ice. Unfortunately, he informed me that Vermont does not have a wanton waste law for fish. Feel free to complain to your lawmakers on this. I feel that we should have one. He did urge me to let him know when I do see this because there are other ways they can penalize them. It's a shame that people leave pickerel on the ice - they are some of the best eating fish, but some people are just too lazy to learn how to prepare them.
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I contacted a Warden about an incident earlier this season where people were leaving pickerel on the ice. Unfortunately, he informed me that Vermont does not have a wanton waste law for fish. Feel free to complain to your lawmakers on this. I feel that we should have one. He did urge me to let him know when I do see this because there are other ways they can penalize them. It's a shame that people leave pickerel on the ice - they are some of the best eating fish, but some people are just too lazy to learn how to prepare them.
Are they similar to pike?
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They are better tasting then pike. Though we typically only keep them when water temps are cold. They seem to very soft flesh during periods when the water is warm. Only thing you need to do to fillet them is cut out the y bones and you end up with boneless fillets. Very tastey fillets!
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Lake trout not good eating? Your crazy! Lake trout are great eating! Very similar to salmon! I cook them the same way I do salmon. I don't brime them. Just fillet them out, and put them in the freezer. If you haven't tried lake trout you should cause there quite tasty...
Sorry..I love to fish for lakers..great sporting trout..and man they can get huge...lots of fun..I've caught them out of champlain ,willoughby caspian...numerous times.
i have never tried to smoke them..(about the only way i haven't tried to cook them)..I just can't palate them...but i am not a big fan of pacific salmon either...they all taste like oil and mud...to me. :P
But that is just me...so If i ever catch another one(i don't target them anymore) i am going to try and smoke it..other than that they are all yours.
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Sorry..I love to fish for lakers..great sporting trout..and man they can get huge...lots of fun..I've caught them out of champlain ,willoughby caspian...numerous times.
i have never tried to smoke them..(about the only way i haven't tried to cook them)..I just can't palate them...but i am not a big fan of pacific salmon either...they all taste like oil and mud...to me. :P
But that is just me...so If i ever catch another one(i don't target them anymore) i am going to try and smoke it..other than that they are all yours.
Haha I get it. Not everyone is gonna like the same fish. Have you tried grilling lake trout? I do that cause it's a good way to get the oil out, as it is an oily fish.
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I filet my lake trout, batter it, and fry it, then throw on a slice of cheese and put it on a bun with tartar sauce. Makes an awesome filet-o-fish sandwich.
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Battered and fried, it does really well sitting next to a heap of shoestring fries, like most fish does. :)
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keep the recipes coming guys going to try them. dont really care for lakers or salmon but will try some of these other ways to cook them. i like the salmon and lakers smoked though.
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The mob mentality in this thread scares me. I've made note of the sheep that cast judgement based of what one guy wrote in an interent forum. Shame is seeing everyone default to the worst possible conclusion based of a subjective post. I sure as heck hope some of you are never selected for jury duty!
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The mob mentality in this thread scares me. I've made note of the sheep that cast judgement based of what one guy wrote in an interent forum. Shame is seeing everyone default to the worst possible conclusion based of a subjective post. I sure as heck hope some of you are never selected for jury duty!
Well, unless the wanton waste of fish was a lie, I don't get your point... read the comments on your average Reddit post and it will seem downright civil around these parts. The judging makes perfect sense if you assume it actually happened.
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The mob mentality in this thread scares me. I've made note of the sheep that cast judgement based of what one guy wrote in an interent forum. Shame is seeing everyone default to the worst possible conclusion based of a subjective post. I sure as heck hope some of you are never selected for jury duty!
We've got a picture of a bunch of dead fish and an account of the event... any person who deliberately kills fish they don't plan to eat should lose their license and pay a fine. That is my statement on the matter.
I've seen people throw ling on the ice before, calling them trash fish, which is downright crazy. Sure, they're kind of ugly, but holy crap are they good.
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The mob mentality in this thread scares me. I've made note of the sheep that cast judgement based of what one guy wrote in an interent forum. Shame is seeing everyone default to the worst possible conclusion based of a subjective post. I sure as heck hope some of you are never selected for jury duty!
ok i will Bite. if one of these guys had a heart attack or fell thru the ice and they needed to get him to immediate medical attention..than ok...but they took all their fishing gear with them as well...so did they have their priorities straight......??who knows...i was not there..
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Happens everyday with other fish as well , people keep 2 foot northerns when they get home its in the trash after they try to clean them...
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We've got a picture of a bunch of dead fish and an account of the event... any person who deliberately kills fish they don't plan to eat should lose their license and pay a fine. That is my statement on the matter. X 2 on that
I've seen people throw ling on the ice before, calling them trash fish, which is downright crazy. Sure, they're kind of ugly, but holy crap are they good.
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I certainly think leaving dead fish on the ice is wrong. I have seen one popular flat fishing parking access ruined because of someone doing just what was mentioned. The land owner got upset about the dead fish and said nobody can park here anymore. I have known and fished around 3 generations of the people mentioned in this thread for over 25 years and can honestly say I never saw any unsportsmanlike conduct. What is really perplexing to me is I have had many conversations about the health of the lake and specifically the fishery with this family. While I hope the people responsible for the fish left on the ice aren't this family this incident does have a good side in the form of reminding all sportsmen about the importance of following the rules, good sportsmanship and the image we all cast to others..
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ok i will Bite. if one of these guys had a heart attack or fell thru the ice and they needed to get him to immediate medical attention..than ok...but they took all their fishing gear with them as well...so did they have their priorities straight......??who knows...i was not there..
I know its hard to pick up a tone in a post so let me just say I don't judge any of the posts made, I just like to point out the other side of things for discussions sake. I do agree that leaving dead fish on the ice is wrong and would report anyone doing something so foolish. I missed that there was somid evidence of it being wanton waste.
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I certainly think leaving dead fish on the ice is wrong. I have seen one popular flat fishing parking access ruined because of someone doing just what was mentioned. The land owner got upset about the dead fish and said nobody can park here anymore. I have known and fished around 3 generations of the people mentioned in this thread for over 25 years and can honestly say I never saw any unsportsmanlike conduct. What is really perplexing to me is I have had many conversations about the health of the lake and specifically the fishery with this family. While I hope the people responsible for the fish left on the ice aren't this family this incident does have a good side in the form of reminding all sportsmen about the importance of following the rules, good sportsmanship and the image we all cast to others..
Do we know it was indeed them? Maybe they were fishing near to where the perch were thrown, or maybe they loaned their truck to somebody. Remember recently some contractor saw the truck he'd recently sold in an ISIS video, being driven around in Syria (if there were ever a reason to spend extra on removable truck signs, that'd be it :P).
Sure, whoever left the fish on the ice deserves out contempt and deserves to be drawn + quartered, but lets not hang these particular guys until we're positive they're the ones who did it.
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I have my doubts it was that family just because I know them and have never seen them do anything like that. They are in the fish business on 2 different fronts so it doesn't add up to me. In my mind the fish had to be left by someone else and they unfortunately got blamed. That family doesn't waste small fish...they fillet them every day of the week.
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the last i knew they dont buy and sell small fish . the yellows have to be 8 inches and up to sell to rays seafood. those yellows on the ice wernt even close. just saying.
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has anyone thought to contact the suspected party? they may have an explanation similar to what SPOT said
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We're the fish still alive. Or just appear fresh? And if they were fresh did you take any with you? I've definetly cleaned up a limit of fresh gills before. I have no idea why guys Would toss them out.