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New York => Ice Fishing New York => Topic started by: beerduck on Mar 12, 2022, 12:42 PM
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i was just wondering the rules in new york can you go on any lake with an atv or are there regulations . I always wondered how that worked for you guys
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has to be registered and insured in the state you reside but look on dmv website to be sure about P.A.
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Also not every lake allows it. Have to check every one.
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can you ride on any lake in new york do you see alot of sxs on the ice up there?
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Ny requires registration on all atv
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can you ride on any lake in new york do you see alot of sxs on the ice up there?
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INSURANCE
You may not operate any ATV anywhere in New York State, except on your own property, unless it is covered by liability insurance. Minimum required coverage is $50,000/$100,000 for death, $25,000/$50,000 for injury, and $10,000 for property damage in any one accident. You must show proof of this insurance upon the request of a judge, the police, or a person claiming to have suffered injury or property damage from your operation of the ATV.
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I have never been asked for insurance card by dec.only registration
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Here are the answers you asked for. ATVs, UTVs and Snowmobiles here in NY must be registered and insured if you want to take them off your own property. All rules like helmets and seating capacities must be followed while off your own land. Our lakes are designated as either No vehicles allowed or Motorized vehicles are allowed. Wherever a snowmobile can go on the ice so too can an ATV or UTV but you have to have all your papers and protective gear in your pockets or on your head or you could get an expensive ticket. Many of our lakes are designated as Wild Forest areas and no motorized anything is allowed. They could even bust you with a power auger but they usually overlook that.
I run a Snowdog machine on my local lakes where motorized vehicles are allowed. It is a gray area with my snowdog machine because it is NOT considered a Motor Vehicle here in NY because it does not have any Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN). I think because you don't ride in or on the machine and it does not have any steering mechanism other than manual from behind it, much like a push lawnmower. Since it is not listed as a motor vehicle there are no rules attached to it YET! I suspect that to change at some point because NY can't stand not being able to tax and regulate anything. I have been inspected by the Encon/DEC police a couple times with no issues while dragging our gear and while set up. The only issue I was informed about was being very careful if I am out ramrodding and playing on the machine. One officer told me if he caught me blasting around while not towing anything but the sled I stand in he would issue me a ticket for not wearing a helmet or not having the shutoff tether attached. The last ATV I bought new from a dealer had to be registered in NY before it left the dealership even if it was only for use on my own property. I have seen guys here take their lawn tractors with attached plows and snowblowers on the ice where vehicles are allowed and never get in any trouble regarding laws. All other machines that are listed as motor vehicles must be registered and insured and all laws and rules must be adhered too.
Hope that answers all of your questions.
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thank guys especially gamalot that was very informational now where do you find the list of lakes permitted or not permitted
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I have never been asked for insurance card by dec.only registration
They most likely won’t ask for it…. Until you’re involved in an accident, hurt someone, tear up property, sink the machine or some other instance. Then, they will ask for it.
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or take the easy route and just ride them no worries the friendly officers and judges will be glad to explain to you what you needed ;D
this is sarcasm i think kp and game are telling you stright ...or you could simply call the new york DEC and you can even ask if the lake your going to ride on
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Another thing when using an ATV ice fishing is use a Ridgid tow bar even though dmv law says you only need it when towing a person Dec will usually ticket for just using a rope this has been experienced by people I know not myself
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Another thing when using an ATV ice fishing is use a Ridgid tow bar even though dmv law says you only need it when towing a person Dec will usually ticket for just using a rope this has been experienced by people I know not myself
you are correct. Towing with atv you will need a rigid tow bar, if towing a person. Rope is ok, if you are towing a shack/sled only. Snowmobiles require rigid tow bar at all times.
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Gamalot if your sno dog can’t be registered, how can he write you a ticket other than the obvious, helmet, rigid bar ?
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Once I used the tow bar I will never just tie a rope anymore. Needless to say I'm a slow learner with a love for speed and have flipped a few sleds, and had even more fly pass me on the glare ice. Solid hitches keep everything from bouncing around, and if it keeps my beer and bait safer there is no reason not to have one. Easy to make out of scrap. I got a snow dog now so I left the helmet home all year. Never had anyone say anything to me or the dozen other snow doggers I've seen out there this year pulling around trains of sleds loaded with gear and passengers. But as was said only a matter of time before there's enough of us and they will find a way to tax us snow dog guys.
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Something I never understood dragging your stuff out like a wild man , I find another 5 mins isn’t a big deal ,
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Years ago… guy I knew, was a speed demon on his sled. He was clipping along, he hit the brakes and the sled he was towing with a rope went straight up in the tunnel and got jammed between the track. Sent him spinning and flipping his sled. What a mess. This happened after he was drinking all day.🤦🏻
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I’ve seen the rope get tangled in wheelers, all kinds of things broke , also seen a guy clipping along and hooked a runner and ripped half the bottom out of his shack , time and place for having fun
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It's just plain common sense to use a tow bar It keeps every thing your own safe, solid, and secure. I use one and don't care if it's required or not. would not want my sled crashing into the back of my 4x4
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a lot of good tips here thanks guys I'm getting older and just want an easier access to getting on a lake I live in central pa and it is shorter for me to hit some Ny lakes than to lakes like Kinzua or Pymatuning go figure
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It's just plain common sense to use a tow bar It keeps every thing your own safe, solid, and secure. I use one and don't care if it's required or not. would not want my sled crashing into the back of my 4x4
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Do a little math if you like. My lakes here are usually about a mile across and up to 7 miles long. I run along at around 10 MPH and maybe only go a mile or so. Going twice as fast get me there only a few seconds sooner and makes no sense to me. Snowdog sleds attach to the dog with a rigid mount so no worries there. In answer to the question, "How can you get a ticket if the machine can't be registered?" NY DEC and ENCON police can give you a ticket for anything if they think you even look reckless, stupid or high and you can go fight it out with the judge. Most lakes in NY have posted regs either on the DEC web site or online for the lake community itself. Most of the regs are simple and common sense and others are just a big money grab but if you keep things within respectful limits you probably won't have an issue.
Towing anything behind you on glare ice is a "Learning Experience" in itself. My first attempt at that was with 3 sleds tied by ropes behind my ATV and all of a sudden all three passed right by me. What a mess but a great lesson well learned, hard hitch is an absolute must!
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Question, For you who use a side by side not a 4 wheeler how did you register it ?
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here in pa there are almost as many utv/sxs as 4 wheelers now the automatically get registered when you buy them
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New York State cannot figure out how to register side by sides, so you do have to insure it but if you spend the extra cash and get a side by side you don't have to pay NYS registration fees. They will figure it out eventually. They cannot have people having fun and not charge them for it!!
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i don't have a atv sled or side by side but my neighbor does and we used his hunting .....and it has something to do with size? his is small and he could register....i do not personal understand but maybe someone does
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I might be mistaking here but something tells me the weight and width is what they go by for registering here in NY. Under 1,000 pounds and less than 50" wide seems to be what I remember from back when I had my 2008 Polaris RZR 800. Don't quote me on this as things might have changed a lot since then.
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A really good rule of thumb that I've found to work well over the years is simple: Don't attract attention to yourself. I'm not saying it works every time, nothing does. But more often than not, if you act stupid or reckless, you are going to get the attention of people.
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I might be mistaking here but something tells me the weight and width is what they go by for registering here in NY. Under 1,000 pounds and less than 50" wide seems to be what I remember from back when I had my 2008 Polaris RZR 800. Don't quote me on this as things might have changed a lot since then.
The last time I read about it you are correct with your statement. So until they figure it out put an orange triangle on the back and don't do stupid stuff.
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The last time I read about it you are correct with your statement. So until they figure it out put an orange triangle on the back and don't do stupid stuff.
I am pretty sure the orange triangle designates a farm vehicle and is mainly allowed for travel between farm lands. I have one on my JD Gator and my lawn care tractor I use to care for the 120 acres I care for but I highly doubt that would allow either vehicle on the ice unless my property bordered the lake. Lots of gray areas in the NY vehicle and traffic laws where ORVs are concerned but your statement about Not being an idiot probably holds the most water, frozen or not.
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all i know is if your on most ny waterways with a ATV now it better float and you need a up to date boat registration
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Many people think because they put a triangle on a side by side they can use on public roads to and that's absolutely wrong according to dmv website
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Many people think because they put a triangle on a side by side they can use on public roads to and that's absolutely wrong according to dmv website
That is a Yes and a NO! My property is half a mile along a public road on both sides and that triangle allows me to travel on it along my property. No, it does not allow me to go up the road to my buddies place a few properties away.
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So it’s registered agricultural?
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So it’s registered agricultural?
I believe only roadworthy motor vehicles can be registered with the DMV as agricultural but they must be insured. Vehicles such as tractors and UTVs are not registered as motor vehicles and only legal on short hops between fields and such.
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This is what I found ,
http://In short, UTVs are not allowed to be driven on any public road or highway. In light of the above, if any law enforcement agency stops someone driving a UTV on a public highway or road, the violation they can be charged with is under VTL section 401(1) (a) –unregistered motor vehicle.Jun 15, 2020
https://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com › ...
UTVs cannot be legally operated on public roads | News, Sports, Jobs
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I have the SMV (slow moving vehicle) orange triangle on my side by side. It’s insured and mostly used on trail system. Hopefully they will allow registration on them in the near future to sort out all the BS.
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This is what I found ,
http://In short, UTVs are not allowed to be driven on any public road or highway. In light of the above, if any law enforcement agency stops someone driving a UTV on a public highway or road, the violation they can be charged with is under VTL section 401(1) (a) –unregistered motor vehicle.Jun 15, 2020
https://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com › ...
UTVs cannot be legally operated on public roads | News, Sports, Jobs
That is exactly what I meant when I said there is a lot of gray areas in the VTLs here and in many parts of this state. We have been driving Work Trucks, ATVs, UTVs, Dirt bikes, Farm and Garden tractors and pulling all sorts of trailers and implements up and down the road between our farm for as long as I have been alive and never once have we had any issues with the authorities and plenty of Sheriff's and SP cars pass right by us. BTW, all of this equipment is insured under a farm umbrella policy as long as it is going between our farm property. I think this conversation started with UTVs or S X S vehicles on the ice on public lakes that do allow registered and insured motor vehicles, we don't use them there but I do use a Snowdog on those lakes and that is not registered or insured and the NY DMV does not have any rule or law for it yet. DEC officers and Forest Rangers have visited me out on the ice to check my fishing license and never once said a word about the track machine other than they like it.
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I live in owego we have people running side by side in town it's not legal but they do it alli can say is if you cause or at in an accident you better have pretty damn good insurance on it
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I have buddies who run their SXS or UTVs, from trail to trail on the roads, all are highly dialed in up near Tug Hill. I guess it is not legal but from what they tell me no one bothers them and the town welcomes their business. You can't do it here except that I see all the local farmers running all sorts of machines just like we do. I am pretty sure if a rookie cop gave me a ticket the local judge (JP) would toss it right out as long as I am between our property.
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I personally have no problem with a farmer using them from field to field but often it's to go hunting down the road or a joyride we have a few that go by our house every afternoon definitely not farm activity
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I personally have no problem with a farmer using them from field to field but often it's to go hunting down the road or a joyride we have a few that go by our house every afternoon definitely not farm activity
It is a little over a quarter mile from my house to the last orchard and I run back and forth almost daily on one machine or another. The farm has been family owned since 1852 and the road we are on is just an offshoot from the main road for as long as I can remember. We own every home on the road as well as the family cemetery so what happens here is pretty much our concern. The town does own and maintain the road but we own both sides of it. Again, Apples and Oranges when comparing this with the original discussion of UTVs on the public lake ice.
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Anybody figure out what lakes allow ATV/UTV use??
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I dont believe there is one centralized place you can find that info,KP. Would make too much sense for NYS to do it. Have to search for the info individually for the body of water toure planning on riding on.
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I dont believe there is one centralized place you can find that info,KP. Would make too much sense for NYS to do it. Have to search for the info individually for the body of water toure planning on riding on.
You’re right. I’ve looked everywhere on the inner-web. Only a couple kinda say anything about atv use.
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I have been part of a farming family most of my life. Here's the skinny on your registrations and signs/plates.
Any vehicle that the DMV requires a registration must have one. Such as 4x4, snowmobile, automobile, boat, etc.
I have an old plow truck which is used to plow two homes on our farm 1/4 mile apart. I also use the truck to visit the local transfer station. This is spelled out in black and green on my $5 registration for which I get "farm plates". Any vehicle with Farm plates does not require an inspection. (Good thing because mine won't pass). I am still required to carry insurance but am only allowed to travel to said locations. I am not allowed to run to town for errands or to go ice fishing. As far as the orange triangle is concerned, that only designates a slow moving vehicle such as a tractor or similar machinery. This sign does not allow any vehicle to travel on a highway which should otherwise be "registered". It also does not allow you to travel with an unregistered vehicle if said vehicle requires one. Check with your local DMV if you want accurate information.
I also have a 4x4 for which I am required to have a registration and insurance but am still not allowed to run on any highway unless that highway is posted as so. Similar to the snowmobile trails.
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i learned that in new york state if you ride a bicycle after dark you are required to have a head light and tail light.......yes i found this out by being pulled over ....a very nice young police officer ....i laughed and said damn things changed i hadn't rode a bicycle in over 50 years... we both had a laugh ......another time going fishing i see lights behind me .....i know i wasn't speeding the schoolbus passed me and the kids mooned me and a old couple beeped and yelled get of the rode slow poke ...... he walks up to the truck and said sir you can not test and drive....i said buddy i can't text period, he said i observed you texting .....nope not even a cell phone near me it's in my fishing bag .... then i realized what he seen.....i had my little transister radio and was getting the station in......he looked bewildered and said don't do that no more .....and left ......and now i now i'm a old fart i'm not a criminal i am a nuisance....... now where can i get a triangle sign for my rider ....couple rod holders and a bungee to hold my bucket on and i'll drive threw town and really upset the cops .....they'll never take me alive
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Trapper, I know we shouldn't encourage you but well said ;D
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here in pa lots of small rural townships made their roads legal to run sxs so people can go to the pizza shops and other things of that nature these twps are also hooked to the trail systems though also it only cost me about 90 bucks for the year for insurrance
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Trapper, I know we shouldn't encourage you but well said ;D
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I personally have no problem with a farmer using them from field to field but often it's to go hunting down the road or a joyride we have a few that go by our house every afternoon definitely not farm activity
So whats the problem with them using it for hunting? or even joyriding? If they aren't getting ticketed, good.
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So whats the problem with them using it for hunting? or even joyriding? If they aren't getting ticketed, good.
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because i'm coming back and i'll put a end to this ;D