Went out and was pulling crappies out of 23 feet . Im using a x67 in flasher mode ,i would mark a fish and they would rise to the jig and they would not bite. So i would set and 7 out of 10 times i would have a crappie. Only a few times did i feel a tick the rest of the time i just watched them line up on the jig. I would give it anywhere from 10,20,30 seconds and sweep the rod . I was using a plastic wedgie and small tungsten. Even had a spring bobber on one rod and never had it go up,to indicate a bite. How many of you fish this way?