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Ice Fishing Tips -Check your local regulations! => Equipment => Ice Augers => Topic started by: blklabsrule on Dec 23, 2005, 12:03 PM
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Bought a new 3 hp Jiffy last year and have had nothing but problems starting it on the ice. On really cold mornings it does not want to start. I transport it laying down is this a bad idea?
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The only way that it would be a bad idea is if the gas leaks out. I transport mine this way all the time. I just make sure the gas cap is up. Are you haveing trouble starting it or just keeping it running after starting? What is your startup procedure choke position, number of times priming etc?
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i own a jiffy 3hp power auger for about 12 years now and i never had problems starting it up. i transport my auger laying down so i dont think it would affect it. make sure you have the correct oil and gas mixture because most of the time this could be the problem. On cold days make sure the choke is on and prime the carburetor but not too much because you dont want to flood it. If it still doesnt work try exchanging it or call jiffy and tell them the story.
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Use Opti2 or Amsoil Saber Professional mixed 100:1 in it and you won't have any problems. The auger will start better, run stronger, and burn cleaner.
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I usually remove the spark plug Put ten to twelve drops of mixed gas in plug hole
Put plug back in tighten it put plug wire back on It usually starts within four pulls
and starts good thereafter
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just having trouble starting it. choke it prime it pull my a** off remove the plug warm it with a lighter and then it will normally start. lost the reciept can't return it, to late. it seems to be mostly on the really cold mornings. maybe I'll take it to the shop and get it looked at.
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"Use Opti2 or Amsoil Saber Professional mixed 100:1 in it and you won't have any problems. The auger will start better, run stronger, and burn cleaner."
BOB D what is this an additive? Someone also told me to try dry gas.
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Two questions, what do you mean by really cold and is this a brand new unit? Temp shouldn't effect the engine's ability to spark but you'd be amazed what a new plug can do. Try an autolite as opposed to the champion plug it comes with. Get it from an auto parts store as Jiffy wants about $6 a plug which is crazy. I would also have a look at the choke, make sure its closing properly. In the mean time why not keep the head inside your vehicle until your ready to use it for the first time? Just an idea.
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"Use Opti2 or Amsoil Saber Professional mixed 100:1 in it and you won't have any problems. The auger will start better, run stronger, and burn cleaner."
BOB D what is this an additive? Someone also told me to try dry gas.
Nope, its a brand of 2-stroke oil. And no, you shouldn't need dry gas, providing the gas is fresh.
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Brand new unit last season. have tried new plugs doesn't seem to be fouling. I'll try the Opti2 or Amsoil Saber Professional, 1:100 sounds strage i think the book calls for 1:50 will have to look when i get home.
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If you are running standard oils use the 50:1 ratio.
Amsoil and Opti 2 are designed to be mixed at 100:1. I run Amsoil at 100:1 in all my 2 strokes. Once you have made the switch, you will never go back to the other oils.
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I always run a little seafoam in mine at the start of the season. It seems to work well. :tipup:
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arent jiffy augers 24 to 1
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I'm sure it's a tecumseh engine..Right?? There is something wrong with the carb. and/or choke. The mix ratio is 32:1 on a 3 hp. tecumseh but may call for 24:1...Ignore that. I know some guys use 100:1 opti or amzoil...But there is another hole can of worms there. Use a good oil at 32:1. If it ran Ok last year?...(Did you leave fuel in it all summer??? ) If this the case then your carb. may be "varnished". If it acted up from day one (since new) then there's a problem with the choke and/or carb. These problems are usually fuel related. Never use fuel that has been mixed for more than 90 days. Boy..That last statement will get some comments. This What I do 30+ years.
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I have 3 jiffys right now and have owned numerous others. I've found the best way to start it is to lean the engine toward the exhaust side. The hit the primer until a few drops of gas come out of the exhaust. The pull it over with the choke at full choke. $10 says it starts on the second pull.
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Exactly Fish-a-holic that is exactly how you fire up a jiffy every time ;D
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3 hp maybe but not the 2 hp. Full choke, give 1/3 throttle and pull twice run half choke half way throught first hole take choke off and away you go.
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It has been starting hard since day 1, I'll try some of your suggestions, if they don't work, Off to the shop it goes. Thanks for all the help. Have a Merry Christmas!!! see you on the ice.
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Exactly Fish-a-holic that is exactly how you fire up a jiffy every time ;D
I'm sorry to bother you but I'm new to this forum.
I can't seem to find the " Submit New Post " or Post a new thread " button anywhere.
How do I go about starting a new topic post ?
Greg
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mine starts fine, jsut choke it and pull till it starts then take choke off.BUt today, I dont know what happened, let er warm up got the first hole drilled, went to the second gave er gas and drill did not engage, finally I smacked the drill on the ice and it engaged, anyone know why it was faulty?This is a brand new auger.
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Fishaholic I gonna try that on my buddies he'll probably get pissed if I can start it faster than he can.
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If anyone did not mentioned spark plug gap, try that too. Even though you got it from the package does not mean it is gapped correctly. This is vital with all engines.
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before you kill your engine for the day try running the engine completely out of fuel.just shut the fuel off and run untill she dies.if you do not have a fuel shut off between the tank and the carb then buy a shut off and put it in the line.this will stop the carb from "gumming up".my next suggestion would be to buy a husqvarna.they are twice the engine and craftmanship.
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I'm sorry to bother you but I'm new to this forum.
I can't seem to find the " Submit New Post " or Post a new thread " button anywhere.
How do I go about starting a new topic post ?
Greg
Greg-Go to the main page i.e. IceShanty Forums/IceShanty Main/General Chit Chat and look at the top right corner of the main forum area. You will see it there. It will give you two options "Mark all as read/Start New Topic".
Hope this helps.
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I had a Jiffy three hp and now I have a two hp. I would prime it, turn on the choke, and give it about half a pull before I turned the switch on. It would start on the first pull with the switch on. I also leave fresh gas in the carburetor with a stabilizer in it for the summer (was told by a mechanic that this will keep seals and diaphragms from drying out). I had the three hp for 12 years with no problems. If your plug is wet when you take it out when it doesn't start, you may have to have it leaned out some. Two cycles can be temperamental until you get used to your engines own little quirks. Just my.02.
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Two cycle engines ARE tempermental little bastages. I worked on them for years.
That's why I use a hand auger. :) No gas, no stink, no noise, no hauling heavy crap around, no frustration of an engine that won't start. Consider using one unless you're a.) a hardcore fisherman who drills a LOT (and I mean a LOT) of holes in very very deep ice, and/or b.) have a knack with two stroke engines and their quirks.
I ended up giving my power auger to my father, who doesn't use it either.
Consider using a 28V Milwaukee drill on an auger. With the lithium ion batteries they now have, you ought to be able to reliably and without stink, gas, noise, frustration or harm to the environment or disturbing other fisherman, drill your little heart out.
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make sure the gas cap vent is open ... i bought a new one because the original was causing the same problem rite out of the box . it would appear to be open but wouldn't vent
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Two cycle engines ARE tempermental little bastages. I worked on them for years.
Boob, don't mean to sound like an ass here but if you used to work on them for years you should be good with them, no? I find if you spend the time to get to know the little quirks your particular unit has then it's easy to start them everytime. My buddy has the same auger w/ same engine and his starts first pull with full choke, no throttle, and sits and idles til he gives 'er gas. Mine on the other hand wants half choke and two or three pulls while giving it a little throttle. Identical units bought at the same time.
Just my .02,
bucket
PS, if you like drilling by hand I'll take you out for a run and gun session for crappies up here when we have 40" of ice in February. And leave the cordless Milwaukee at home, I wouldn't be able to keep a straight face watching you use that thing!
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Boob, don't mean to sound like an ass here but if you used to work on them for years you should be good with them, no? I find if you spend the time to get to know the little quirks your particular unit has then it's easy to start them everytime. My buddy has the same auger w/ same engine and his starts first pull with full choke, no throttle, and sits and idles til he gives 'er gas. Mine on the other hand wants half choke and two or three pulls while giving it a little throttle. Identical units bought at the same time.
Just my .02,
bucket
PS, if you like drilling by hand I'll take you out for a run and gun session for crappies up here when we have 40" of ice in February. And leave the cordless Milwaukee at home, I wouldn't be able to keep a straight face watching you use that thing!
I said "unless you're a.) a hardcore fisherman who drills a LOT (and I mean a LOT) of holes in very very deep ice". 40" of ice is a lot of ice, and run and gun season with Crappies in that much ice is a lot of hole drilling.
I restored old snowmobiles and fixed chain saw engines and outboards for a good many years. Air cooled 2 strokes are pains in the butt in the winter. Heck, any engine can be a pain in the butt in the winter, no matter how well tuned. There's a lot of people out there that don't know much about engines, and don't NEED to, they just want to drill holes and fish, and for those people, who fish in a foot of ice or less and typically drill < 20 holes each time they go fishing, a cordless is ideal.
I've sat and listened to about a third of the people outside my favorite ice fishing spot pull their ass off, trying to start their gas augers in the time that I can hand-drill 2 or 3 holes. Then, half of those have blades so dull that it sounds like they're going for the core of molten magma at the center of the earth, not 9 inches of ice. Admittedly, that's a different matter, but I get a little sick of these guys showing up with a bazooka to kill a squirrel.
I also used to work for Milwaukee Electric Tool, leaving just after they released the new V28 line of tools that use a lithium ion battery. I'll put one of those 1/2" drills with a couple charged batteries up to a day fishing the run and gun with you in 40" of ice...I think they'd surprise you even if they didn't replace your gas auger completely.
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Boob, what do you think blacklabsrule's problem might be with his Jiffy? I know they had problems with EPA emission standards for a while, but I thought they got that corrected. My 3 hp was about a 1991 or 1992 model and it seems like they started having problems about 3 or 4 years ago. I'm a long way from being a mechanic.
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Well, that's hard to say without looking at the unit in question, but the old rule applies..you need 3 things to fire a two stroke: Spark, compression and fuel mixture.
Spark should be easy to confirm...check for the correct mfg recommended spark plug. Just cuz it fits the hole and looks right doesn't mean it's the correct heat range. Once you have the right plug, lay the plug against the head for a good ground and crank it over with the plug out a few times, look for a consistent, bright blue spark. If it's yellow and/or intermittent, that's a weak spark....caused by bad plug, dirty points or some other electrical issue. If there's no spark, you really have a problem, of course.
If there's spark, what does the plug look like? If it's wet, black and sooty, it may be running rich. If it's whitish grey, it may be running lean. It should be, on a two stroke, about the color of charcoal or a little lighter, and not jet-black-wet.
It might be flooding out. In which case, pull the plug, pull the motor over a few times to clear the combustion chamber, dry off the plug and put it back in, and don't choke it. Another trick on flooded two strokes is to hold throttle wide open, no choke, and pull until it sputters to life.
The carb could be set way out of whack. Simple as two strokes are, once they start, they'll probably run, though maybe not well. Hard starting usually...*usually* is a carburetion issue...too much gas in the air/fuel mixture or not enough.
Maybe you just want to 'cheat' a little and start right out by pulling the plug and 'priming' it with a blast of WD-40 (assuming they havent' changed the formulation and it's still flammable, it works as a not-so-volatile starting fluid)
Like I've said, they're tempermental beasts, each with it's own personality. A person almost has to develop a relationship with each two stroke engine and learn it's tricks and quirks.
The easiest thing to do is to leave it home and crank by hand, or set yourself up with a cordless drill rig. Of course, again, that's if you're not chasing crappies all over by drilling 50 holes thru 3 feet of ice, but rather punching maybe a dozen 6 inch holes in a foot or less of ice, more if you have a fancy drill.
I go fishing because it's relaxing. Fighting with stubborn, heavy, tempermental engines doesn't fit the bill for relaxing in my book.
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i have 12 year old jiffy 3 hp. was hard to start from the git go. the carbaretor on these motors are not the best. when cold use full choke, prime two times,open throttle 3/4 . should start . when warm, no choke do not prime still use 3/4 throttle. carb may need adjustment. do a google search for tecumseh and see what others say about it. also always mix oil 24 to 1. i have never taken mine apart but was told many years ago that 50 to 1 engines have needle bearings in the conecting rod and older engines and some newer ones (24 to 1) do not. when in doubt follow manufacturers instructions. jiffys are a well built unit and will last a long time.
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A post of mine after I ran into similar problems... Enjoy.
Re: Carb Adjustment on Jiffy Auger
« Reply #2 on: Mar 11, 2005, 09:53 AM » Reply with quote Modify Remove
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1. Pull the yellow plastic caps out of the carb adjusters.
2. Lightly seat both of the carb adjustment screws.
3. The left screw, the "low" idle adjustment should be turrned out 1 1/8 turns.
4. The right screw, the "high" idle adjustment should be turned out between 5/8 and 3/4 turns.
Adjust from there....
I like to leave the cap on the auger and find myself a big pile of snow. That way I can run the thing, at idle and wide open and everywhere in between without digging a hole or harming the blade etc...
I also prefer doing this with two people, one person to hold the auger and one person to set the fine tuning on the carb.
So, have one person start up the auger. The idle should be fairly strong. If it's not, open up the left screw a bit... If you turn it too much the engine will stall. Then have the other person gun the throttle. If the engine chokes, turn out the right screw a "c" hair and try again. You want to be able to go from idle to full on with no hesitation.
If worse comes to worse, I live in the Worcester area... lol.
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Okay here is my 2 cents worth.
If it is a Yellow Jiffy it most likely hasn't had the recall. They need to put a new carb on. Take it to a dealer and this will be done free of charge. If it has had the carb replaced or is a WHITE Jiffy then take it to a shop. REMEMBER to tell the guy you will be starting it outside and the carb needs to be adjusted outside the shop. A Friend of mine had his back 4 times before the mechanic set the carb OUTSIDE in the cold weather. Runs like a champ for 2 years now. A good oil gas mixed properly with a little Stabil in it and you won't have any problems.
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Now we're getting somewhere!!!
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A post of mine after I ran into similar problems... Enjoy.
Re: Carb Adjustment on Jiffy Auger
« Reply #2 on: Mar 11, 2005, 09:53 AM » Reply with quote Modify Remove
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1. Pull the yellow plastic caps out of the carb adjusters.
2. Lightly seat both of the carb adjustment screws.
3. The left screw, the "low" idle adjustment should be turrned out 1 1/8 turns.
4. The right screw, the "high" idle adjustment should be turned out between 5/8 and 3/4 turns.
Adjust from there....
I like to leave the cap on the auger and find myself a big pile of snow. That way I can run the thing, at idle and wide open and everywhere in between without digging a hole or harming the blade etc...
I also prefer doing this with two people, one person to hold the auger and one person to set the fine tuning on the carb.
So, have one person start up the auger. The idle should be fairly strong. If it's not, open up the left screw a bit... If you turn it too much the engine will stall. Then have the other person gun the throttle. If the engine chokes, turn out the right screw a "c" hair and try again. You want to be able to go from idle to full on with no hesitation.
If worse comes to worse, I live in the Worcester area... lol.
excellent post, sounds like I may need to fine tune my jiffy too. Thanks so much for the jiffy expert way to adjust the carb. :thumbsup: Awesome stuff.
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Okay here is my 2 cents worth.
If it is a Yellow Jiffy it most likely hasn't had the recall. They need to put a new carb on. Take it to a dealer and this will be done free of charge. If it has had the carb replaced or is a WHITE Jiffy then take it to a shop. REMEMBER to tell the guy you will be starting it outside and the carb needs to be adjusted outside the shop. A Friend of mine had his back 4 times before the mechanic set the carb OUTSIDE in the cold weather. Runs like a champ for 2 years now. A good oil gas mixed properly with a little Stabil in it and you won't have any problems.
Was there a recall on 2hp Jiffy Legend(yellow)? And if so what years?
Thanks
Jeremy
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Most augers that come into my shop for repairs have basically the same problem...Fuel related:: Not enough ,none, old fuel, wrong fuel (no oil or too much oil in fuel).
Many fishermen have "what works for me" and others are just lost when it comes to engines :unsure:
Fresh fuel is a good thing. Unleaded with no alcohol is a good thing. A good grade/brand of oil is a good thing. A new spark plug ( non-champion) is good as well.
These engines start better at WOT (wide open throttle) with the choke fully closed. They are very "cold blooded" and will not run right until they reach operating temperature. Some will get to this temp. sooner than others. Carb. adjustments will be the issue here unless there is a physical problem with the carb. and needs a kit or replacement.
A good small engine mechanic is a good thing too!! :)
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i have never had a starting prob with my jiffy until i bent the metal gas cap and bought the plastic replacement now i have to loosen the cap because the breather doesnt aloww enough air in to run properly
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i have never had a starting prob with my jiffy until i bent the metal gas cap and bought the plastic replacement now i have to loosen the cap because the breather doesnt aloww enough air in to run properly
That's a new one on me. The "new" plastic cap has a vent you open..right???
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Wow what did I start, since i am not a small engine expert I took it to a pro. He replaced the diaphram, said the fuel mix looked dark, and adjusted the carb. It seemed to start fine this weekend although it was not that cold which is when i was having the problem. fwj4570 have to agree with you the easiest way to start it is to choke it, prime it and hold the throttle open. iceman 05 where do I find out about the re-call? take it back to my engine guy?
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sitting here reading the posts just makes me chuckel. I just got back from fishing and boy is my left arm tired, I too have the 3hp jiffy. thank-you all for your posts I am leaving right now for fishing (early) to try the carb adjust thing. Is there a recall on the 3hp engine. I also just bought mine last year. Does anyone know if it hurts the auger if the throttle is held in while pulling the recoil rope? I would think that it could ingauge the cluch and damage it. But that is how I got it started this morning after 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pulls ??? ??? ???
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Some great advice, but if this continues put the Jiffy on ebay, and buy a StikeMaster electric...excellent customer service.. get 50 holes on one battery I had the same problem Jiffy.. would not start...there customer service was...well not nice....good luck fishing in am :tipup:
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Does anyone know if it hurts the auger if the throttle is held in while pulling the recoil rope? I would think that it could in gauge the cluch and damage it.
This will not hurt anything..in fact it usually will help in the starting process. Sounds like it's a fuel problem (not getting any/enough) ....carb. problems!!
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My Jiffy 30 is 20yrs old and calls for 24:1 it always runs great I wouldn't ignore what the manufacturer recomends I'd give them a call!
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This will not hurt anything..in fact it usually will help in the starting process. Sounds like it's a fuel problem (not getting any/enough) ....carb. problems!!
Exactly. Think of how you would start other small two-strokes. Take a chainsaw for example. Your turn the switch on, set the choke to full and set the throttle to full. My Stihl automaticly goes to full throttle when you set the choke to full. After you pull it a time or two and the motor pops you move the choke to half leaving the throttle at full and pull again. The extra throttle helps it to get going. Just don't hold it down too long.
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Bring up STIHL.... I sell and service STIHL. I have asked for an ice auger from STIHL. There responce is " we will not advocate anyone walking on a frozen lake and drilling holes in the ice. We may be deemed liable."
What the ????????????????? OK! They make a fantastic "dirt" auger...but no ice bit. The price is not for the faint of heart though!!
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Bring up STIHL.... I sell and service STIHL. I have asked for an ice auger from STIHL. There responce is " we will not advocate anyone walking on a frozen lake and drilling holes in the ice. We may be deemed liable."
What the ????????????????? OK! They make a fantastic "dirt" auger...but no ice bit. The price is not for the faint of heart though!!
Thats odd they would say that since they do sell ice augers and I've seen them . Sounds like a brush off job to me by your supplier as they definately do make them .
TD