Hot dogs and other things

[zcm_82]

Degrees are funny 'ol things. I've got 2 BAs and I've spent my entire post college career in factory work. I didn't wanna live in the city, so I went where the money was out in the sticks. I started doing grunt work and ended up working myself into a cushy desk job... partially because the degrees, but moreso I was willing to put in the time doing grunt work to prove I was more reliable than a flat tire and not completely incompetent.

Meanwhile, I have seen several college classmates spend pretty healthy chunks of time unemployed holding out for that cushy desk job out of the gate. People are silly 🤷‍♂️

[Lv2hunt]

sounds like cousin Eddie holding out for a management job!!!!  Out of curiosity i would of asked what his degree was in they will give you a degree in virtually anything now a days if you want to pay for it.

[AQUAASSASSIN]

Only one mitten, ..oh oh..

So. Funny story, guy comes in here for a job interview, hes here from Kenya on a work Visa,(I find this out AFTER the fact) so I show him around,explain what he would be doing, we get to the sand blasting area, I tell him he would be taking down filters and cleaning  them( dirty job) he says I ain't doing that I have a degree..I told him we have enough  dead weight in the office and his degree is useless here and showed him the door.. no chance he was going to even get a notice, just another  example of worthless education brought on.by funding colleges Instead of teaching  "our" children what they need to survive, there was a time when a degree meant something and it was something  that was earned.. I dont think it's like that for the most part anymore.. that's my sad tale for today.. My grandson just got his masters from Northeastern,  something to do with statistics,he learned more about life and how to take care of himself from his grandmother and I than he did the last 2 years in school.. now hes holding out for a big money job, luckily, he moved out, we told him the door only swings one way..
Done ranting for good now.

So true, so sad. I have zero education past high school. Hell, I only graduated because I went enough to be eligible to play sports. I’d say I’m doing better than anyone I grew up with. College is great if you have a reason to go. Banging out of work an extra 4 years or your love of baseball is not one of them. Guess what, I have no debt either besides like 100k left on my house. Brand new vehicles owned free and clear, great family, life is good. And I bang nails and chip stones in between guiding folks

[lowaccord66]

I am uneducated as well.  I found sales and thank god.  I have 11 employees and we are doing about 40m annually. My first real ex said I wouldnt be anything without a degree. She's a lawyer but Id never trade w2's and also have private equity from acquisition of our former company in what should be a 1.3b business by the end of this year.  She can my halloweenie for sure. (Frank I guess this is a flex)

I had an interviewee argue with me about working from the office, despite my telling her the president (at the time) came in every day.  Quick phone screen for sure.

[AQUAASSASSIN]

Zero chance anyone does more work from home, sweet heist though. I am jealous.

 

[AQUAASSASSIN]

I work In Everyone’s homes everyday while they “ work from home” well done folks, well done.

[Roccus]

I work In Everyone’s homes everyday while they “ work from home” well done folks, well done.

The evidence doesnt lie..

[lowaccord66]

Zero chance anyone does more work from home, sweet heist though. I am jealous.

 

I havent worked in the office other than random days here and there for the past 3 years. Pros are no commute, can wake up at 8 and start working.  Cons are I do work harder.  There arent those natural pauses where you are bsing with coworkers. 

[TheCrittaC]

I havent worked in the office other than random days here and there for the past 3 years. Pros are no commute, can wake up at 8 and start working.  Cons are I do work harder.  There arent those natural pauses where you are bsing with coworkers.

Yup. Another pro for me is that Massachusetts no longer takes over a nickel out of every dollar I make.

[Uppervalley Kid]

The choice of going to college was never an option for me. Parents were teachers and it served the 2 of them well. I always loved wildlife and studied biology and then got a masters in fisheries. Realizing very quickly that jobs in the life science field (specifically wildlife) were few and far between. Long story short I ended up teaching high school and am an now an administrator (aka lacky). The money is ok but the job security and investment into the state pension system keep me here. Its definitely not what I saw myself doing but for this season in my life it is where I am. 

[zwiggles]

I havent worked in the office other than random days here and there for the past 3 years. Pros are no commute, can wake up at 8 and start working.  Cons are I do work harder.  There arent those natural pauses where you are bsing with coworkers.

And the “commute” to work is walking into your office. I find myself working far too many extra hours, because I’m still in work mode an hour after logging off. If my phone gets a message I always seem to log back in.

To be honest I think wfh has helped separate the producers from the slackers. Working in a business were metrics are a click away, you can tell who is out there mooching the wfh easily as you can’t blame the inter office BS for a productivity dip.

But, people still suck by in large.

[lowaccord66]

I agree Z.  I have a good team, they hustle and subsequently gwt to work in their territories with some level of autonomy provided revenue targets are met.  I'm onboarding a new rep that said she loves that aspect of working for us.  5 of my reps are going to "club" with me and 74 other reps that hit goal last year.  Ill be fishing for yellow fin march 2-5 staying at an all inclusive (not my scene) for free.  Wifey couldnt make it so dragging a close friend with me, company pays for him too.  1100 bucks for 12 hours of sailfish.  Im in!

[AQUAASSASSIN]

That’s what I’d say to guys! Congrats! Lmao jk

[Steve01987]

I agree Z.  I have a good team, they hustle and subsequently gwt to work in their territories with some level of autonomy provided revenue targets are met.  I'm onboarding a new rep that said she loves that aspect of working for us.  5 of my reps are going to "club" with me and 74 other reps that hit goal last year.  Ill be fishing for yellow fin march 2-5 staying at an all inclusive (not my scene) for free.  Wifey couldnt make it so dragging a close friend with me, company pays for him too.  1100 bucks for 12 hours of sailfish.  Im in!

Hey Accord I’m in sales too.  Went to college but it’s just a piece of paper did me nothing but waste me and my folks money.  I think college is great for people who have a clear direction though, doctors, lawyers, etc…what kind of sales are you in? I sell paint jobs lol. 

[lowaccord66]

I run a sales team that sells enterprise software to mid-market and fortune 500.  Ask my ex if the 200k plus she is paying back forever for her JD was worth it.  She sure didnt enjot seeing a w2 of 300k from this uneducated idiot.  Team averages between 110k a year to 300k for my top rep.  Its a grind for sure but the money has always been there.  We sell automation software so we are reasonably recession proof.

[Steve01987]

I run a sales team that sells enterprise software to mid-market and fortune 500.  Ask my ex if the 200k plus she is paying back forever for her JD was worth it.  She sure didnt enjot seeing a w2 of 300k from this uneducated idiot.  Team averages between 110k a year to 300k for my top rep.  Its a grind for sure but the money has always been there.  We sell automation software so we are reasonably recession proof.

That’s good man I’m glad the recession ain’t hurting you! I’ll let the thread get back to hot dogs and fishing topics lol. Negative points on me for bringing the “W” word into this haha.

[lowaccord66]

I work to pay for hotdogs. 

[PoolGuy]

[Iceassin]

So true, so sad. I have zero education past high school. Hell, I only graduated because I went enough to be eligible to play sports. I’d say I’m doing better than anyone I grew up with. College is great if you have a reason to go. Banging out of work an extra 4 years or your love of baseball is not one of them. Guess what, I have no debt either besides like 100k left on my house. Brand new vehicles owned free and clear, great family, life is good. And I bang nails and chip stones in between guiding folks

I'm with you AA. No college degree ( 4 credit hours short...so what). Pretty much a factory rat all my life...and I'm good with that...made pretty good money. Never over 100K with wife combined. But...never owned a credit card and paid cash for everything...except home and vehicles ( which were always paid off early). And we retired early (62). How...some may ask? One word.. sorta. 401k/IRA. A total game changer. Nuff said on that. If you know...you know. What baffles me are those that say "I can't afford it" (to save). My response..."How can you not"? Just plain ignorance. And I have no sympathy for them. Ok. Rant over. Thanks for listening. 

[esox_xtm]

Thread's taken an interesting turn. For sure a degree guarantees only one thing: debt. I was "forced" into a junior college with the offer of if I did like it/use it I could leave. I learned only two things there: how to drink tequila and smoke pot. Never studied, barely went to class, sure had a good time though. Went back to my asphalt paving job of three summers and left it in the fall to work at a local manufacturing plant. Doubled my hourly, only punched 40 a week (compared to an 85 hr average on the road) and had every weekend off. Hardly knew what to do with myself.

Left that and moved a state away. Frittered the summer away with fishing, golf, fishing, partying and fishing. Fall came and I looked for work. No shortage of that, alla the summer help was going back to git ejekated. Applied at 8 places and took the first opportunity that called. 5 minute interview over the phone. The rest called later with offers but I was invested. Those other seven all had eventual issues that made close within the next few years, one did last about 15. I stayed at that original place for just over 40 years. Yep, there was good, bad, ugly and uglier still but it all turned out.

Almost 3 dozen of those years were a rank and file union guy. Did all the jobs, invented a couple, never a "that's not my job" guy. The tail end was very strange, I still wonder how that all happened. There was some lead up to that but I'll just shorten it up by saying I was offered a management job. Not an entry level one either. I'd already turned those offers down decades before. Basically jumped up about 4 -5 pay grades doubling what I was making on the floor to start. Regional travel supporting other locations. Short story is the "pre-work" I'd done saved our location a mega crap ton of $$ and they were hoping I'd could share the love. Still unimaginable to me. In the end, because of my age and service years (they counted all my union time) they offered to buy me out. Geez, I was 63. I'd be eligible for my union pension in October of the following year and they were paying full salary and insurance for the max of 78 weeks. Their money ran out and I applied for SS. Livin' the dream...

No degree. Go to work, do your best even if it means you gotta suck it up sometimes and don't miss an opportunity. I jumped ship I think I was 56. Certainly an uncommon opportunity.

[AQUAASSASSIN]

I'm with you AA. No college degree ( 4 credit hours short...so what). Pretty much a factory rat all my life...and I'm good with that...made pretty good money. Never over 100K with wife combined. But...never owned a credit card and paid cash for everything...except home and vehicles ( which were always paid off early). And we retired early (62). How...some may ask? One word.. sorta. 401k/IRA. A total game changer. Nuff said on that. If you know...you know. What baffles me are those that say "I can't afford it" (to save). My response..."How can you not"? Just plain ignorance. And I have no sympathy for them. Ok. Rant over. Thanks for listening. 

Same buddy, never owned a card once in my life and buy vehicles cash bc I’m not paying that interest.

I’m hoping to be done at 60 but life happens. I need to stay healthy. That’s a issue for me

[AQUAASSASSIN]

Thread's taken an interesting turn. For sure a degree guarantees only one thing: debt. I was "forced" into a junior college with the offer of if I did like it/use it I could leave. I learned only two things there: how to drink tequila and smoke pot. Never studied, barely went to class, sure had a good time though. Went back to my asphalt paving job of three summers and left it in the fall to work at a local manufacturing plant. Doubled my hourly, only punched 40 a week (compared to an 85 hr average on the road) and had every weekend off. Hardly knew what to do with myself.

Left that and moved a state away. Frittered the summer away with fishing, golf, fishing, partying and fishing. Fall came and I looked for work. No shortage of that, alla the summer help was going back to git ejekated. Applied at 8 places and took the first opportunity that called. 5 minute interview over the phone. The rest called later with offers but I was invested. Those other seven all had eventual issues that made close within the next few years, one did last about 15. I stayed at that original place for just over 40 years. Yep, there was good, bad, ugly and uglier still but it all turned out.

Almost 3 dozen of those years were a rank and file union guy. Did all the jobs, invented a couple, never a "that's not my job" guy. The tail end was very strange, I still wonder how that all happened. There was some lead up to that but I'll just shorten it up by saying I was offered a management job. Not an entry level one either. I'd already turned those offers down decades before. Basically jumped up about 4 -5 pay grades doubling what I was making on the floor to start. Regional travel supporting other locations. Short story is the "pre-work" I'd done saved our location a mega crap ton of $$ and they were hoping I'd could share the love. Still unimaginable to me. In the end, because of my age and service years (they counted all my union time) they offered to buy me out. Geez, I was 63. I'd be eligible for my union pension in October of the following year and they were paying full salary and insurance for the max of 78 weeks. Their money ran out and I applied for SS. Livin' the dream...

No degree. Go to work, do your best even if it means you gotta suck it up sometimes and don't miss an opportunity. I jumped ship I think I was 56. Certainly an uncommon opportunity.

I can start drawing my pension at 53 and I can take both 401k’s at 57

Nice work

You guys are alright, sucks you have a scum bag in the midst. But I know, you know, and he knows that . I mean he’d only see this if he’s Stalking so….

[AQUAASSASSIN]

River in the backyard looks promising after that cold spell

[HuntnFish603]

How does a report from Michigan help us 

[meatandmetal]

Seven Years of College Down the Drain


Had a choice between getting drafted (my number came up #3 in the draft lottery), getting married or going to college opted for college. Went to a community college then headed for the University of Montana. Back then it wasn't expensive like now plus got a partial scholarship playing football. Majored in Wildlife Biology and Fishing. Not many jobs with that major so I headed back east and got a job in electrical and road the ladder up to a electrical designer/engineer. The only book I needed was the NEC (National Electrical Code). I didn't need the college for the work I eventually did but it was a great time especially when I was in Montana. Retired full time in 2018. Enjoy your youth guys it gets tougher physically when you hit the so-called "Golden Years".

[AQUAASSASSIN]

How does a report from Michigan help us 

It drains to the Atlantic and NH owns coastline

[AQUAASSASSIN]

Seven Years of College Down the Drain


Had a choice between getting drafted (my number came up #3 in the draft lottery), getting married or going to college opted for college. Went to a community college then headed for the University of Montana. Back then it wasn't expensive like now plus got a partial scholarship playing football. Majored in Wildlife Biology and Fishing. Not many jobs with that major so I headed back east and got a job in electrical and road the ladder up to a electrical designer/engineer. The only book I needed was the NEC (National Electrical Code). I didn't need the college for the work I eventually did but it was a great time especially when I was in Montana. Retired full time in 2018. Enjoy your youth guys it gets tougher physically when you hit the so-called "Golden Years".

Just hoping to make it to my golden years, nothings promised.

[Steve01987]

River in the backyard looks promising after that cold spell

Pull some fish outa there would you Frank?!

[AQUAASSASSIN]

I def do from May til September. Brown trout, Brook Trout, bass both large and small, both white and yellow perch, gills and pumpkinseeds, Pickeral, massive fall fish. You never know.

[Steve01987]

I def do from May til September. Brown trout, Brook Trout, bass both large and small, both white and yellow perch, gills and pumpkinseeds, Pickeral, massive fall fish. You never know.

I remember you telling me about the river you live on.  That’s pretty awesome. I’d be tempted to drill holes haha if she was safe