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New York => Ice Fishing New York => Topic started by: icebuck on Jan 14, 2022, 11:41 AM
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A woman in Brant Lake has started this petition to regulate bubblers after her grandson's dog drowned.
Ice anglers should find this interesting.
https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/regulations-for-winter-ice-eaters-bubblers-on-our-waterways?source=facebook&&fbclid=IwAR20FdJk4W9OfQVnJ5oY3_AxVo4lzBJoZaN_eTRZgePgdw1HL9ErjofdSv8
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That's an easy thing to sign. ban all the ice eaters :bow:
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first this is opinion and no way reflects the opinion of iceshanty or it's employees ....ice bubblers protect property these are the home owners that will be calling town legislators to stop parking if we upset them ...they are protecting their docks (legally) i'm sorry about the dog but isn't there a thing called a leash law? i think the people that live on brant lake and pay taxes are going to win this fight .... a new dock can cost thousands and thousands a leash for a dog a few dollars....common since
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I see your points Frogger, but please consider other anglers and locations, and especially at public access locations. There are two places I fish with public access that would benefit all ice anglers from this proposed 300/20-foot regulation. One is iffy as I write this, and solely because of bubblers. This is the case year after year and the intentions of the dock owner(s) are routinely questioned. I'm sure there are other situations like this across NY and the Northeast.
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Signed. Thanks for sharing.
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As a lake George fisherman, I will gladly sign this.
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It’s simple people run the bubblers to be lazy and have never been told no. There is a person fighting for there house over this issue dec mandated the home owner remove it. I beleive dec had to remove. It was aimed at the launch and not under the dock.
Homeowner put another one back. Please remember that no one owns the lake/river/creek banks or bottom so at the end of the day anyone with a bubbler is breaking the law by having equipment set up on not there property. My thoughts and opinions. I’ll sign tho I don’t fish anywhere it effects me.
Where’s the paperwork
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Done..👍
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Had the misfortune of going through the ice on Lake George back in the 80s when I walked across an area that had refrozen approximately an inch thick about 150 feet from a dock. The ice eater had shut off due to a power failure and the open water refroze. The main lake ice was well over a foot thick with hardly any snow on it. We had an inch or two of new snow so the refrozen area was indistinguishable from the main lake ice. I went through in about 10 feet of water. I was super lucky and got both of my arms on thick edge and got right back on ice. Guys I was fishing with said I came out like a Polaris missile. It was really cold and I looked like a snow cone before I got back to vehicle. Not a recommended experience.
I feel sorry for the lady from Brant lake and I do think there is some liability for lake front owners that operate these devices. Some of the ice eaters will open up to100 yards of water and undermine ice that was thick. My main issue is use of these devices around public access areas where adjacent owners intentionally direct the device toward the access points. That is being total irresponsible. Be safe around these areas.
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Signed it 👍
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Signed.
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This reaks of the trailer hitch law. Someone not paying attention to their dog was the problem. Just like the lawmaker not paying attention to where she was walking when she banged her shin on the hitch. We should not be fixing stupid with laws.
Now I can see not being able to erode ice around a public access. But we have many big boat harbors around central NY that you cant pull docks because they are peirs.. I am definitely not in favor of banning them, so I will wait to see what the final bill looks like.
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first this is opinion and no way reflects the opinion of iceshanty or it's employees ....ice bubblers protect property these are the home owners that will be calling town legislators to stop parking if we upset them ...they are protecting their docks (legally) i'm sorry about the dog but isn't there a thing called a leash law? i think the people that live on brant lake and pay taxes are going to win this fight .... a new dock can cost thousands and thousands a leash for a dog a few dollars....common since
[/quote World of difference between ice eaters and bubblers...I have no problem with bubblers but ice eaters should be banned. They destroy more docks than they help because the ice breaks away much earlier than normal and when the flows start bouncing around and destroys shorelines along with docks. Lake George has a big war against invasives, but they allow underwater fans to blow stuff all over. Crazy when they are set up next to mats trying to kill the weed. A lot of the dock owners with the big ice eaters are doing it to keep people away not to save a dock. One knuckle head in Bolton did even have a dock. Just a matter of time before someone drowns and it goes to court.
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we have lost members that walked into a bubbler and drowned ...i'm not sure but i don't think the dock owner was held liable ,you start telling land owners they have to pull docks to suit ice fisherman i see parking and access being lost fast! remember we park on the roads that their towns operate i see no parking signs going up i see posted signs and in truth all thats needed is a little common sence on the part of ice fisherman and use a spud around docks
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I feel sorry for the lady from Brant lake and I do think there is some liability for lake front owners that operate these devices. Some of the ice eaters will open up to100 yards of water and undermine ice that was thick. My main issue is use of these devices around public access areas where adjacent owners intentionally direct the device toward the access points. That is being total irresponsible. Be safe around these areas.
Guy next to vets memorial park...same thing happened. Dog drown. Guy has been told not to point at the access, does it anyways. Has no dock either. Im all for that being stopped.
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People need to be responsible for their own actions on any ice formation.... any time a person goes on ice they should realize there are gas holes, uneven formation of ice, streams coming in, springs under the ice, etc ..... even area's around docks and/or fallen tree's w/o bubblers are dangerous. There are no safe ice conditions - people that don't know and don't take the proper precautions that will fall thru. I'm assuming this petition is more about lake access than safety though......
It is about safety ... those ice eaters can make it unsafe for a huge area around dock. The lake is owned by the people of the state and not dock owners ....
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Unbelievable folks would sign such a poorly written petition.
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we have lost members that walked into a bubbler and drowned ...i'm not sure but i don't think the dock owner was held liable ,you start telling land owners they have to pull docks to suit ice fisherman i see parking and access being lost fast! remember we park on the roads that their towns operate i see no parking signs going up i see posted signs and in truth all thats needed is a little common sence on the part of ice fisherman and use a spud around docks
I agree.
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Must be an Indiana thing ..... save it for your own midwest folks. ??? ???
haha no its a freedom thing bra. i have seen a few around here but not many. most just remove their docks.
maybe they should just mark them with a flag. then they could save the docks and the fishermen.
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Unbelievable folks would sign such a poorly written petition.
Just a tip: if you are petitioning your representatives, look up how to spell their name first.
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don't invite the man into your life
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totally agree .....
This petition is inviting the man into your life.... ::).
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My property, my choice!
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My property, my choice!
Just know that once you leave shore you are on state property
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You are correct ..... I just wish that a lot of the people that use that state land didn't leave behind so much trash for the land owners to clean up, and treat the land around the lakes, and the lakes themselves with more respect. I've picked up enough trash on "our" lake in the last 20 years to fill a landfill. Thats partly why I'm willing to cut the bubbler people some slack if the action of protecting their dock also keeps people off in the winter. Between the paper and plastics and empty propane containers and bottles of motor oil and cigarettes and cigars (and resulting areas of spittle) and piles of feces, its a mess out there after most days of fishing ...... Certainly there are an awful lot of good fisherman that take all their crap off the ice, in addition to crap other people leave, but it only takes a handful to ruin things for everyone ....... If I had to guess, I bet that plays a huge part in it.
All valid points, no doubt. But should the ethical anglers be punished for what the knuckleheads do? I feel that no more than 20 feet of water around a dock and nothing within 300 feet of a public access location is not too much to ask. It's not like the municipalities that regulate bubblers are banning them, they're just asking for some flexibility.
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There is a town ordnance on one of the bays I fish, docks with bubblers must have a flashing yellow warning light. The lights are visible 24/7.
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We have 3 ice eaters we use for waterfowl hunting. Hunting season is over by the time ice fishing is going so never been a problem. Also we use ours in swamp and ponds
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isn't it funny, we have ice to fish on so these threads go to the way side
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don't invite the man into your life
I would add to this " or you get what you deserve"
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Your personal freedom extends to the point it infringes upon someone else’s freedom. I’ve lived on a lake for the past 18 years and this is the 1st year I cannot access the lake in the winter. My neighbor installed a permanent dock last year and his bubblers were too weak. This year he installed ice movers and now the entire water front near me is UNSAFE for at least 300+ feet. The problem is, only the first 30 feet by the dock is open water…the rest is unsafe ice blanketed by snow. He’s not year-round so I can’t talk to him until springtime and try to resolve water flow and/or time-delay for next year.
I won’t sign a petition [yet] unless it clearly sets reasonable guidelines to protect both the homeowner and recreationists. Assuming this cannot be resolved amicably (on all bodies of navigable waterways) then it should be something the government manages due to safety and infringement concerns.
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I have been ice fishing the area lakes for 50 years and have seen dock protection go from just bubblers with a 30-50 ft. clear zone to the more efficient ice eaters with a 300 ft. clear zone. I no longer fish the areas with ice eaters because of the safety factor. Seems like there could be a compromise. Just my opinion.
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I have been ice fishing the area lakes for 50 years and have seen dock protection go from just bubblers with a 30-50 ft. clear zone to the more efficient ice eaters with a 300 ft. clear zone. I no longer fish the areas with ice eaters because of the safety factor. Seems like there could be a compromise. Just my opinion.
People just need to go thru the proper channels and to the proper authorities. The fd or the pd is not gonna do anything. Talk to local dec/dnr/fish&game Officer that’s where progress is made.
One other thing I may add is I’ve only seen progress where it is state access. Just haven’t seen it in private access spots.
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I have been ice fishing the area lakes for 50 years and have seen dock protection go from just bubblers with a 30-50 ft. clear zone to the more efficient ice eaters with a 300 ft. clear zone. I no longer fish the areas with ice eaters because of the safety factor. Seems like there could be a compromise. Just my opinion.
I feel similarly. I understand the homeowners concern with ice around a fixed dock, however there is no reason for a bubbler to be clearing a football field sized area around the dock. Or that D-Bag homeowner next to Vets that DOESNT have a dock, yet still blasts a bubbler randomly in the lake just to reduce ice access. Its those type of people that cause a majority of my fury.