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Ice Fishing Tips -Check your local regulations! => Ice Fishing Transportation => Topic started by: Capt J on Feb 03, 2012, 08:33 AM
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Or some other fuel dope.
Any thoughts, I know brand loyalty is probably a very big consideration. I've been using stability but really like the sae foam can. Not that that's a good reason to use it or anything.
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The naptha contained in sea foam does a good job of cleaning gunk and varnish out of fuel systems, much better then stabile ! With ethanol in most everyone's fuel nowadays, phase separation of gas over time has become a real issue ! Startron Enzime fuel treatment and Amsoil Quickshot both work well to prevent this and they both had Amazing effects on how all of my motors, both 2 stroke and 4 stroke started and ran ! 95% of small engine repairs are fuel system related, a good fuel treatment is cheap insurance !
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For me, I've found that sta-bil (the newer stuff) keeps fuel fresher longer, but like surflizard said the seafoam is great for cleaning. So I usually put both in at the regular rate. I also like Marvel Mystery Oil, especially when put in the oil of 4 stokes, but I put it in the gas of my 2 strokes as well.
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I use the Startron stuff but also use alot of Seafoam. It has always worked for me. The RED stabil i was NEVER a fan of. The blue stuff is for Ethanol but not necessarily for stabilization. I will say however, i had an old chain saw that would take about 50 pulls to start. I used Startron and seafoam in it and it starts now on a just a few pulls.
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Thanks guys. I really appreciate the insite
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i use both....seafoam to clean the engine/carb ect and stabil to keep the fuel in good shape......cheap insurance....
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The naptha contained in sea foam does a good job of cleaning gunk and varnish out of fuel systems, much better then stabile ! With ethanol in most everyone's fuel nowadays, phase separation of gas over time has become a real issue ! Startron Enzime fuel treatment and Amsoil Quickshot both work well to prevent this and they both had Amazing effects on how all of my motors, both 2 stroke and 4 stroke started and ran ! 95% of small engine repairs are fuel system related, a good fuel treatment is cheap insurance !
couldnt have said it better. I use both seafoam and startron. In my opinion the stabile products are on the lower end. I run seafoam in everything i own all the time. All new gas gets mixed with seafom. I prefer to use the startron in my old selds as they seem to be more finicky with the ethenol crap.
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For those that don't know, Sea Foam is also a fuel stabilizer. Thsi is from the Sea Foam website.........
"As a fuel system additive, Sea FoamŪ will clean carburetors, fuel injectors, clean carbon, gum and varnish deposits, add lubricity to fuel, stabilize fuel for 2 years and control moisture."
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Seafoam+startron+Amsoil for me in all my small engines. Nuttin but E-10 in IL.
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seafoam use it all the time never have had a problem
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Use whatever makes you comfortable but I would suggest doing a bit of research and find out what exactly is in what you use and verify that what the product claims passes the smell test in regards to what the ingredients can possibly do.
If you are concerned with ethanol then don't use a product that has 20% isopropanol as it will be subject to the same issues.
If you run ethanol free then you need to decide how you are going to keep the water that will be in the gas from freezing in your gas lines.
If you are looking into having a product that "Stabilizes" your gas, find out what is actually being stabilized and how that actually happens.
Once you are content with your findings then use the product according to directions.
If you like Sea Foam you can actually make it yourself much cheaper by purchasing the 3 ingredients at a paint store and mixing your own.
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Thanks guys for the input and sharing your thoughts.
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Been using K-100 for the past three years - no problems with the crap new gas - apparently keeps the fuel and water from separating and causing problems
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Been using K-100 for the past three years - no problems with the crap new gas - apparently keeps the fuel and water from separating and causing problems
That is what ethanol and isopropanol do until they are saturated.
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i use both. every can of gas that comes into my yard gets a good dose of blue, marine grade sta-bil. not up for discussion at my house. every now and then, everything at my house gets a shot of seafoam, gas or diesel. gotta have it. my 2 cents.
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SeaFoam! ;D @)
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Ya just got love the Seafoam can,,,, old school cool. Don't get made Floyd, Just making a funny.
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I personally use Seafoam in all my small motors and even in the truck every so many tanks . Its good stuff as a stabilizer , atifreeze and cleaner . It works but More pricey in Canuck land but worth the extra and yes I also use Amsoil although not a dealer for either
TD
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Every spring I mix 1 can sea foam and enough gas to make 1 gallon and mix 3 oz. of amsoil saber oil and run this in my bass tracker with 35 horse merc on it. It smokes and spits and sputters. After about 15 minutes of this I shut her down and switch to the boat tank with 50-1 in it. After 15-20 minutes I start her up and run her around at 3/4 to full throttle til she cleans up. Never had any problems with her. Do the same with all my 2 cycles. Run it through intake system on my van and pickups twice a year. Yes I believe in sea foam. Son uses startron enzyme stuff in his new boat. He has had no problems so far. In winter I add about a capfull to every tank fill on my old jiffys. Steve
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If you like Sea Foam you can actually make it yourself much cheaper by purchasing the 3 ingredients at a paint store and mixing your own.
What is the recipe?
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According to Seafoams MSDS SHEET
Pale oil = Petroleum based Mineral oil ...................... ...40%
naphtha= Petroleum based solvent............... .............. 25%
IPA = Isopropal Alcohol............... ...................... .........10%
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Thank you.
That's interesting. Seafoam has iso alcohol in it, does adding the ethanol additive negate its effects?
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With those percentages being by volume, I doubt the alcohol ratio is high enough to draw the water particles together like the 100% dry gas additives do when it is used with ethanol blended gas to cause phase seperation.
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10% in a few ounces of Se Foam is gonna total about a tea spoon or less. 10% in 10 gallons of blended fuel is an entire gallon of moonshine.
I use seafoam to clean up a rough running engine and marine sta bil or amsoil quick shot to prevent trouble and maintain.
I think seafoam is still the best crud cleaner, but not the best stabilizer.
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I've been using the Startron for the past year. Hard to judge this kinda stuff; I guess if yer stuff runs great, and has no problems, then it works...but I tear into mine regularily to take care of it, so I haven't had any issues, yet... ;)
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Seafoam is helpful for cleaning carb fuel galleys and removing varnish and gunk from needle seats and fuel lines and tanks, but like Skipper mentioned, there are better gas additives out there ! I've tried a lot of them and both Startron and Amsoil Quickshot help all my small engines start easier, run better and eliminate repair down time !
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I'm just going to put in my $.02 worth on this and say that I use nothing but Stabil in ALL my gas powered equipment, both 2 and 4 cycle, as per the manufacturers directions and have for many years! I use it in the gas year 'round. The mower started second pull again this year, and I've run it in tillers, snowblowers, weed wackers, etc., with nary a problem! Used to have starting problems due to carbs gumming up, but not any more!! I believe Stabil now has carb cleaner in it!! The main thing is that you do need to run some sort of additive in your gas ;)
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Seafoam...
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Seafoam for cleaning needles, seats, dirty carbs. Startron to keep ethanol garbage from phase seperation and ruining engines, seals, plastic parts.
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Ethanol gas without stabilizer, Nice stuff !!
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l113/lael19533/Antknees%20Ice%20Fishing%20Mayhem/metal%20roofing/gas.jpg)
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I won't run any fuel in my equipment that has ethanol in it....We can still get "real gas" up here!
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I won't run any fuel in my equipment that has ethanol in it....We can still get "real gas" up here!
Smart man...same here. Fleet Farm has the non-oxy that goes in ALL my small engines.
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They have the Trufuel at Lowes and Home depot here, but at $20 bucks a quart I'll stick with the stabilizer !
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I think this gets posted at least once a year!!:
http://pure-gas.org/
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Seafoam for cleaning needles, seats, dirty carbs. Startron to keep ethanol garbage from phase seperation and ruining engines, seals, plastic parts.
That's my recipe - and it works well. I never put gas in a can or the tank of any small engine without Startron I had two small generators this summer that had been sitting for over a year - drained the gas, added fresh with a double dose of Seafoam and by the end of a tank of fuel they were running like tops.
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We still have a few stations that sell gas without ANY ethanol. Thats what goes into ANY small engine for me!
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Wish we did, too, but not in the "corn-belt" with a $#@! Ethanol plant right here. The non-oxy (real gas) is about 15-20 cents more per gallon, and only 2 stations have it here in very small quantities. >:(
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I just smile and pay for it. It may be stupid and unfair, but it's worth it. I just wish I could get 87 or even 89. 92 is not ideal for ice augers. I'm sure they want it 92 octane for the street rod and souped up motorcycle crowd, better than nothing.
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Have been using Marine Stabil since it first came out with nothing but good results. Add 1oz in 5 gallons of gas and it cleans the fuel system/engine nicely. I use Nox-Ice or HEET if I suspect water issues however I usually do not have any. I have been paying the extra for pure gas in all my small engines including outboards for years now. Luckily I can still get 87 and 89 without ethanol.
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In my area, I can't get it anywhere local. At $4 a gallon, that really sux!
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In my area, I can't get it anywhere local. At $4 a gallon, that really sux!
I have been paying $1.34 a litre for non ethanol 91. Now that sucks.
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I have been paying $1.34 a litre for non ethanol 91. Now that sucks.
Your lucky, overhere its 1.329 for the regular and 1.44 for the premium
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I run non-ethanol gas and use Seafoam for a cleaner and Stabil for when I let it sit for a while.