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New York => Ice Fishing New York => Topic started by: papacoondog on Jan 01, 2015, 04:18 PM
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Yes they r fishing, saw 4 out fishing on the south end
Not sure how much ice will check in the am
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Yes they were out there.....
(http://www.myfishingpictures.com/data/500/medium/IMG_20150101_110247776_HDR.jpg)
BIGJim223
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Yes they were out there.....
(http://www.myfishingpictures.com/data/500/medium/IMG_20150101_110247776_HDR.jpg)
BIGJim223
How much ice 3" 4" ?
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I found a VERY SPOTTY 3" and the whole lake IS NOT frozen, acres of open water in the middle. I ADVISE EXTREME CAUTION...if it was such good ice I wouldn't be here typing...
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I found a VERY SPOTTY 3" and the whole lake IS NOT frozen, acres of open water in the middle. I ADVISE EXTREME CAUTION...if it was such good ice I wouldn't be here typing...
I'll wait a little while longer Iv only fished it a handful of times don't know the lake like I do Oneida but thanks for the info
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[/quote]I found a VERY SPOTTY 3" and the whole lake IS NOT frozen, acres of open water in the middle. I ADVISE EXTREME CAUTION...if it was such good ice I wouldn't be here typing...
True diehards :o :o :o
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Some kid just posted on diehards page fishing in a bay on Oneida on 2" of ice that's nuts Oneida isn't forgiving just glad he made it back in
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I just punched a few holes and got out. The ice is real shifty due to the moving water in the middle..no bueno
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Glad she's been making ice , I'm going to check Tuscarora lake in erieville in the am
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Canadarago definitely needs a few more days of cold temps.
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Any one get out ?? How the ice
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About 3.5" as of Saturday. "South Side" I would wait a couple days after todays temps to be safe.
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What u think by wensday should be good? me and my buddy plan on goin back we fish it in the summer catching bunch of gills and bass they say there walleye in there never caught one out there yet
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The ice should def. be good by wednesday. Although wednesday will be a very cold day. Lots of gills and perch and pickeral. Walleye is harder to come by in the winter (for me at least).. Ive had great luck in the summer. Just need to find em. The ice should be good wednesday and thursday IMO.
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I don't know about that..you should see the wind we have here..steady 20mph + all last night and into today. The open water in the middle is really chopping up and slamming up against the ice, weakening it.
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Hey system, did anything ever come of finding a solution to all the dink perch in there?
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well there's no real quick solution...the only solution is increased predation. DEC stocks walleye fingerlings every year, the Lake Assn is looking into purchasing additional, bigger walleye (we need memberships donations!), and DEC is highly considering resuming the tiger stocking program (if they have popular demand/support). That will all take years...
I have been trying to encourage fishermen to take a limit of 6" perch, they have more meat than you think! If we all keep taking the 12+ out of there, we'll be in dink heaven for decades.
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6" perch have plenty of meat on them I keep them to fill the limit
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Normally I strive for 10" and up, but the last few yrs I have lowered it to 8" there. This yr I will go lower and try to do my part in helping it get better. Hope to get out soon and hope PL freezes.
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Anyone know if there is and ice fishing derbys at cando this year if so do you have dates thanks
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Has anyone checked the ice today?
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Has anyone checked the ice today?
I'm posting so I can access the reports and conditions page. However, the ice is probably thicker now than in those pics.
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Was out yesterday at bakers beach in 23 ft of water had just 3inches of ice fishing was very slow only 3 drinks
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Was it worth it on that thin ice?
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Any big perch left in that lake it was my favorite to fish years ago.
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Check with Esoxman he knows all about alewive infested lakes it's too bad you will wait a couple of more years. Bring back the Tigers and more Walleyes they need to be stocked at larger sizes and it will come back around for the time being fish other lakes.
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Few and far between. You might get one solid one out 30 or 40
fish.
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Probably don't even need to stock them larger. By the time tigers reach 30" they probably won't be feeding on dink perch anymore. I think walleyes would help.
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Is it worth the trip out there?? :-\
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Don't forget the lake had a huge fish die off this past summer due to a large algae bloom...
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Anyone check the ice today going out tomarrow with the wife and she's not a fan of thin ice lol don't know if I'm better off going back to youngs where I know it's solid
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Youngs has a lot more ice...Cando is spotty and wet in places
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Thanks a lot system youngs it is maybe I can hook another big pickerel and not have it snap my line this time lol
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6" perch have plenty of meat on them I keep them to fill the limit
i keep 5in perch and pickle them. easy and safe if you it right
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RAT
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I love eatin winter pickerel - fillet them, put them in the freezer to harden up, cut into 1" strips, and into the meat grinder w/bread crumbs, seasoning, egg, etc to make pickerel patties. absolutely no bones make it out of the grinder. coat in seasoned bread crumbs and into the skillet. delicious.
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Want cando picks? Go to the north end in 10 fow and put shiners down. They'll be there
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Want cando picks? Go to the north end in 10 fow and put shiners down. They'll be there
Do you prefer shiners over minnows? @)
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I like catching 4" perch with the jig rod for bait and counting them as part of my daily limit by using them for bait. two birds with one hook so to speak. That keeps the dink perch off my tipup hooks too.
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Got out today and tried a few spots, ice was 4-6inches depending on the area. Fishing was pretty slow.
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Any parking
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Any parking
The boat launch or Bakers Beach... ;)
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I love eatin winter pickerel - fillet them, put them in the freezer to harden up, cut into 1" strips, and into the meat grinder w/bread crumbs, seasoning, egg, etc to make pickerel patties. absolutely no bones make it out of the grinder. coat in seasoned bread crumbs and into the skillet. delicious.
I love those patties myself!!! but if you get big pickerel try filleting them and pan fring there good too.....
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A friend and his kids were out by the island yesterday on the East side.. He said nothing over 5"...
Ice is good over there because they are putting out a 6 x 8 green monster shanty... ;D ;D
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"Nothing over 5 inches." That comment says it all for what the perch fishing has become there.
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I'm not sure how many years ago it was, probably 4 or 5. 4 of us went out and iced 85 perch. From 10"-13". Stellar day. That was the first time I ever ice fished that lake. Don't think I've caught a 10" or better perch out of that lake since that day. Will it ever come back??? I sure hope so...
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that sounds like an amazing day, and I know I'll get crap for saying this, but,
"...and we wonder why there's only dinks left in cando.."
That story was replayed over and over at cando that year, and the fishery has never recovered. It is even referred to in DEC reports and by NYS biologists as a major turning point in the fishery
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Straight from the NYSDEC Bureau of Fisheries 2013-14 Annual Report:
The percid fishery in the lake appears out of balance in recent years with an abundance of juvenile
yellow perch, few larger perch, very few juvenile walleye and a top heavy population of older walleye.
Walleye recruitment remains problematic, despite the larger size at stocking. However, the lake remains a very productive warmwater fishery for a variety of species. DEC will continue to stock walleye to maintain the species for angler harvest and we expect the quality of the yellow perch population will improve as the abundant juvenile fish grow to desirable sizes.
I do not share their optimism for the quality of the perch population to improve. When the predator/prey relationship of a fishery is out of balance (too many prey for a given body of water) they do not grow, they stunt. This has happened all across the country, its not unique. In my opinion, only when they start restocking tiger muskies, a major predator of perch, will the avg. size of perch start to increase. Back in the early 80's when I first started ice fishing Cando you could catch 2 perch at a time all day long, but they were all small. DEC started its tiger stocking program and within a few years the avg. size started to improve. Coincidence? I think not.
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A friend and his kids were out by the island yesterday on the East side.. He said nothing over 5"...
Ice is good over there because they are putting out a 6 x 8 green monster shanty... ;D ;D
We stopped out there for an hour on our way home yesterday to see chris. Always some action on cando even if it's 4 inch fish
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I'm a tip up guy. Sometimes I jig for perch while I'm waiting. 20 mins from the north end. Is it worth the trip for me?
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The solution comes from us anglers again license fees are not covering much these days .The area needs a muskie club where members raise funds and hold derbies etc.These clubs buy the fish themselves even properly stock fish that can survive!The lake is off tigers 10 per acre for 5 To 6 years may help greatly curtailing all those dink perch.I have pounded the lake for tigers over the years it always was tough producing heavy beautiful tiger muskie.Now it stinks The chances someone putting enormous amount of time effort and resources these days no way.New jersey has done.Esox angling in NY is shot certified bait thanks Dec. ::) :-\ ???
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The only issue I see with musky stocking is their size and what they eat esox. Your signature describes what happens perfectly. Once they hit 25 inches they wont target the small perch any more but will really eat larger perch bass walleye etc.i received a picture a few years back from a buddy who was boating on cando. Found a giant tiger floating dead.and I mean giant. In its mouth was a walleye. He was able to grab and measured the walleye at just under 24 Inches. Imagine how many bass walleye pickerel that fish had ate who were eating the dink perch.
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Guys, I know some of you don't want to hear this but.... it's all about selective harvest, you got to keep what you need and stop taking all of the bigger fish and keep some of the 7,8,9 in. If everybody keeps the 10-13+ fish all the time, 25 at a wack, then the lake can only sustain that size of fish for so long. It takes along time to grow a perch to be 12''+. We are the dominate predator in the lake more than the tiger muskie and we are the ones that can controll this if we are smart about the pressure that we put on the perch population.
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Tigers are in the same family as northern pike. Almost identical in their diets. If northern pike are such efficient predators that they are controlling the populations of other game fish species, lakes all over this nation where they exist would have few bass and walleye. In fact, most lakes with healthy pike populations also have healthy bass/walleye populations. Not saying that they won't take a walleye when the opportunity exists but they certainly don't focus on larger game fish once they get to a certain size. Nothing in research literature suggests that. Here's a quote from Utah Outdoors on the subject of perch:
Tiger muskie do not normally reproduce and so their numbers can be controlled directly by regulating stocking and harvest. In Utah, they are being used effectively as a management tool to control the number of pan and rough fish in reservoirs. Before tigers were introduced in Pineview, the reservoir was overpopulated with perch and they were stunted — most running 5-7 inches. Now the perch population is healthier and fish run 9-11 inches.
Remove every tiger and pickerel from Cando and you will see no resulting increase in bass/walleye populations. Fisheries Biology 101.
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"Guys, I know some of you don't want to hear this but.... it's all about selective harvest, you got to keep what you need and stop taking all of the bigger fish and keep some of the 7,8,9 in. If everybody keeps the 10-13+ fish all the time, 25 at a wack, then the lake can only sustain that size of fish for so long. It takes along time to grow a perch to be 12''+. We are the dominate predator in the lake more than the tiger muskie and we are the ones that can controll this if we are smart about the pressure that we put on the perch population"
Smartest thing I've seen in a long time...
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I'm not saying to reduce the number or remove the fish.the larger predators definitely play their role in keep ecology on track.but when they stock walleye fry all it is is a small perch buffet.without good numbers of the mid sized predators to feed on the small fish where is the balance?
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"Remove every tiger and pickerel from Cando and you will see no resulting increase in bass/walleye populations. Fisheries Biology 101."
There is no way I could believe this...if you saw the walleye fry we stock, this past year's were the size of my thumbnail. Pickerel are hammering that buffet. Same thing with the newly hatched bass fry etc. Now, the alewives do a heck of a lot more damage than the comparatively few pickerel, but sill, the predator fish make a difference.
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MBrown aren't you supposed to be at work!!
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Haha yes sir I am but was feeling a little under the weather today I guess :P
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Nobody fishing Cando? A few days ago not one sole out there. What gives?
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RTF, I am thinking the lakes reputation has preceded itself :(.
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I would go along with bigger walleyes to keep the dinks down not thumbnail size and the computer has def. put the hurting on this lake !!!
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How many small perch need to be thinned out to allow for growth? Is there a way to get rid of ale wives, other than bigger fish? Can we use cast nets when they are spawning. Pp
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How far do u go out for perch
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30 ft off shore to 30 fow. Anywhere in between.
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i rmember 5-6 yrs ago when i lived down that wsy it was fantastic perch fishing....
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I live right next to the lake my whole life and I love to ice fish, haven't fished on Cando for a few yrs unless I have small children to take out to have fun catching little perch. Drove by the last few days and if there was 5 people on the lake. Just a shame from what it use to be. Now I drive the hr and half to Oneida or fish Otsego
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And I use to drive 1.5 hrs to fish it 5-6 times a year it was great to fish
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Please take me Uncle Bryan, I want to catch a bunch of small perch. LOL ;D
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Only got one little niece left now KC, and shes getting past the fishing small stuff now lol
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I talked to an Encon Officer out there one time. He said in the 80's the perch fishing was outstanding. There were guys commercial fishing the perch day in day out - just filling pails - soon after they put the 25 perch limit into effect - He said this was the first lake in the state to put a limit on perch. Even 10 years ago there were a lot of nice perch in there, I pulled 2 - 15's out of there one day - still my biggest perch anywhere. Hope it comes back around.
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Yeah, I refuse to believe that the internet and the pressure the lake saw 4-6 years ago caused this cycle we are in now....
I fished it alot in the late 80s and early 90s, while not the number of guys fishing as a few years ago there was a group that pounded it almost daily and the lake kept on giving. Back then open water eye fishing you also saw alot of muskies loafing around, them and the solid number of walleyes kept the perch numbers in check. That along with a huge forage base of small stuff kept the lake pumping. Add the intro of alwieves which eat a ton of the small stuff perch would be eating and the lack of predators... and we have what we have now...
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Man these same alewives are killers.wish there was a way to wipe them out like a alewife disease or something.
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been 5 yrs since fishing it, went out with a bang though, had my sons and dad with me sight fishing the sunkin island, we took 2 limits of hoggers that day. then it all went to.......... couple of good points above. my fisheries background will tell you that alewives grow big fish, but once fish are on em they want nothing else. as far as the limit.....25 is enough for anybody but i was fishing the 80-90's when there would be 300 guys off marble taking buckets. I even used to do it on spring break from college. blew a trany in the truck and in 1 week made over $600. 00 to buy another. too many mild early ice outs, a drop in predators including humans, intro of zebras, reduction of daphnia pulex, a popular zooplankton those perch use to filter feed on, and yes the introduction of the alewife. Lota change here but i bet you could still get some nice ones along with some pie plate gills on that south end as long as your neck dont get to soar. Remember if you fished early 80's thats all you caught back then were smaller perch. Mid 80's it started to improve. Maybe we need the limit lifted for a few years to let human predation try to help balance what the walleye and few muskie dont want to eat anymore, a spinny finned perch. Until then im sure there are locals that still gotta a line on good fish.....there just not talking....and i dont blame them. Fish on everybody.
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Back in the 80's Art Andrews was the local Dec officer and a great person . I remember him showing us a pile of filleted perch on the ice that would have filled a garbage can , pretty disgusting just for the $$$$ , it sort of took the fun out of it . Shortly after the limit was reduced to 25 and personally I along with several friends are fine with that .If I knew where the big perch were on the lake I sure wouldn't advertise because it would turn into a little village out there all over again . My grandkids have a lot of fun fishing for those little fish , I've had my fun and it's great to see them having a good time , sometimes it's not all about the numbers . One day the lake may get straightened around with good management but for now I guess it is what it is .
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Perch...Yeah, I got checked by Art off and on myself. Nice guy. I used to take my 1 burner coleman out there to cook up some venison steaks and he would pull up to my tent with his skidoo and say "sure smells good out here!" Of course I always gave him a steak sandwich. I, too, remember the hoards off Marble Rd raping the perch population. Lots of variables affecting the population now but I think most everyone would agree the lake is too small to sustain that type of pressure. As to lifting the limit for a few years, hardly anyone, including myself, is interested in keeping 25 6-7" perch let alone 50. Hence, no pressure to speak of anymore. I drive by now and it sort of reminds me of the early 80's when I first started ice fishing there.
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It's a shame-- that was my favorite lake about 10 years ago-- now I switched to Oneida, as you have more of a chance of getting something big out of there. Although, if it's a warm late-season ice fishing day and you have young kids, you can always walk out 50 feet, set up some chairs and have fun pulling dinks out the hole for a few hours.
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I fished near Hyder a few times last year before I discovered the lakers at Otsego and I managed to get limits of 8-10 inchers. I did have to sort through 100-150 fish to do it but the day went by quickly.