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Montana => Ice Fishing Montana => Topic started by: Tip_Up! on Nov 29, 2017, 09:36 AM
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I am starting to get tired of my gas auger because I can never get the darn thing to start when I am on the ice and have been considering getting one of those new electric ice augers. I was wondering if anyone has any feedback, good or bad, on electric augers? The promos make them look pretty sweet. Thanks in advance! Can't wait to get out this year...
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I bought an ION X last year after I used a friends ION (Sold my Strikemaster Honda 4 stroke). Reason for the change - we have a wheelhouse and it has the ability to re-drill iced in holes, also the auger reverse allows you to "Flush the Slush" down the hole.
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Love My ion-x, great piece of equipment. Zero issues with the battery unlike the naysayers want you to believe. There are also many options available now utilizing cordless drills...
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Hey MFish! Can you delete a few of your inbox messages? Tried sending you a PM but you are full. Much appreciated man thank you!
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You convinced me! Thanks everyone. If anyone has had a bad experience with an electric auger, please share...
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There are also many options available now utilizing cordless drills...
As a follow up to the cordless drills piece...that's what I use. Set-up with an auger, a nimrod piece from Scheels, and a drill all for under $100. Just be aware the limitations are the number of holes that can be drilled on one battery. My experience is around 15-20 max through solid ice. Maybe just an aging battery though, who knows. Guess when the battery goes, the handle goes back on for some traditional drilling!
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ION owner here.....2nd best purchase I've made for the hardwater (flasher being 1st).....I punch 25 - 40 holes per outing & never a battery problem.....Recharge the battery after every trip & you're good to go !!
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Bought the ion x last year. Cost a bit more than I wanted to but WELL worth it. It’s awesome!! Pull the trigger and you’re drilling. No bogging down issuers. Plenty of power to punch thru 2 feet last winter. Just keep your battery warm before use and you’re set! I love it. I’d recommend it to anyone. And the reverse feature is awesome too. Clears 90% of the the slush away
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Ion all the way..
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I bought an ION last year and have battery issues. Completely my fault, left it in the charger over night. Dont dont do that. Just charge it for however long and dont over charge that battery. Nice auger for sure.
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I bought an ION last year and have battery issues. Completely my fault, left it in the charger over night. Dont dont do that. Just charge it for however long and dont over charge that battery. Nice auger for sure.
The charger that comes with the ION is not automatic?!?
Tight lines,
Bob
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The charger that comes with the ION is not automatic?!?
Tight lines,
Bob
From Ion's website:
Leaving the battery on the charger will not harm the battery because the charger is programmed to shut off after the battery reaches a full charge. It is best to unplug the charger and remove the battery after a full charge has been reached, signaled by the solid green light on the charger. (This is because the charger’s electronics inside will continue to use power when plugged in.)
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I tried a drill one and it sucked. Gas ones are cumbersome and messy. We got a propane one last year and I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE it. Sips gas and drills ice like a bad dog.
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Some are and some aren't. ;)
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I've had the Ion for about 4 years now. My only complaint is that the blades are Chinese made pieces of junk. Keep an eye out for dirty ice. I was fishing a small trout pond that has a sandy beach near the shore and I ruined two sets of blades drilling through ice that had sand in it. I'm sure it would have happened to other blades but I really wish it had a chipper style blade that would last longer. I think I'm on my 4th or 5th set of blades. The only positive about the blades is that they aren't that expensive. You can usually find a set on amazon for around $30.
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I love my Eskimo gasser, but I'm really excited to try out my cordless drill rig this year.
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Bought Ion Auger, went fishing at Georgetown once last week, sold Jiffy Gas Auger...I'm sure some may think I'm crazy, but that's how much the Ion blew me away. Noticeably lighter, cuts quiet/quickly, and what I initially thought was maybe a gimmick, being able to blow all the ice out of the hole in reverse is great. I was cutting holes just for fun. Can't wait to chew through some more ice with it this winter.
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Its a great tool:)
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Nothing makes fish bit less than having gas on your hands. I need one of these.
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Purchased an ION X midway thru last season. I'll never use my Jiffy gaser again. Gas units are prone toward hard starting when temps are below 15 degrees, are messy, and heavy. Like buggy whips, gasers have seen their time in the sun. They were useful back in the day but technology has triumphed when it comes to ice augers. Try one and you'll be amazed.
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I agree gas is done. But I do have a propane I bought a few years ago and will likely be a few more years before I can convince the wife I need another new auger. The main reason I went propane was so I can drill holes for days without having to have access to power. In hind sight I rarely go on multi day trips and probably have never drilled more holes in a day than what an electric would do. I think if I had electric I would drill less holes to start with, I often perforate an area before fishing it and often drill plenty of holes I never even fish.
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Throw my two cents in!.... before everyone extinct the gas auger last season where the temp was -24°F and windchill @ -32°F.... the Ion(1st gen) and Eskimo propane fail to work where as the gas auger work. It wasn't unil after we got the tent setup and will heated up, the battery for the Ion began to work. Even then, it's was really boggy. That being said the new StrikeMaster Lithuim is intriguing to me for those non-extreme days.
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No unprotected battery is happy at + -30...
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Throw my two cents in!.... before everyone extinct the gas auger last season where the temp was -24°F and windchill @ -32°F.... the Ion(1st gen) and Eskimo propane fail to work where as the gas auger work. It wasn't unil after we got the tent setup and will heated up, the battery for the Ion began to work. Even then, it's was really boggy. That being said the new StrikeMaster Lithuim is intriguing to me for those non-extreme days.
The only way my Strikemaster/Honda 4 stroke will be extinct is if I shoot it. It starts on the second pull when cold, doesn't leak gas, weighs a pound more than an 8" Ion, and I don't worry about keeping a battery or propane cannister warm. Nothing against electric or propane, but why replace what works well for me? :blink:
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I have used both the Ion and Ion X the last 2 years. They are cutting machines and extremely light. My experience with both was battery life has not been good in extremely cold conditions. Buy an extra battery and keep it in a small cooler with some heating packs. Should be good to go!
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I might have to switch to ion. My auger is a pain in the cold and seems like once or twice a year i need to recoil the pull cord spring
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If you are on a budget and not afraid of mechanical maintenance and following the manufacturer's recommendations don't write off the gas and even the old 2-stroke option. You can save some $$. I bought the Eskimo Mako 2-stroke last year on a sale and paid<$300. Used a dozen times. It runs great and starts easily...just pay attention to routine maintenance and off-season procedures and these things work fine. I started it several times last year in sub-zero conditions. If you want no-brainer operation and don't wan't to fiddle with maintenance then the battery operated is probably a great choice...you just have to have a way to keep them warm in more extreme conditions.
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Love my Ion.Canyonferry last year drilled 18 holes in 24 ins of ice on one batteryand still had power left.
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Just purchased a Mako M43 for $284, and have used gas augers for years. Sometimes when I'm walleye and perch fishing I drill 50+ holes a day, and with a full tank of fuel and extra tank if necessary I can do that no matter what the temperature is. I'm a little wary of electric, as stated batteries don't do well in extreme cold conditions. I would be open to propane, but with the money I saved I can go on quite a few fishing trips.
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I'm a little wary of electric, as stated batteries don't do well in extreme cold conditions.
Says all the naysayers that haven't tried them/won't try them. I've never had problems with the ION batteries in any temperature & I don't go out of my way to keep them warm !!
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I am starting to get tired of my gas auger because I can never get the darn thing to start when I am on the ice and have been considering getting one of those new electric ice augers. I was wondering if anyone has any feedback, good or bad, on electric augers? The promos make them look pretty sweet. Thanks in advance! Can't wait to get out this year...
The absolute "best of all" IMO - is the Milwauki M18 cordless, with a 5AH or 9AH battery and a lightweight auger, like the Kdrill or a Finbore augers (Nils if you want the best); no plate, just a drill adapter and safety mechanism to prevent loss of the auger bit.
Super light weight, the Milwauki batteries are resistant to the cold. I left mine in the back of my truck (purposely) last year for 2 weeks, in sub zero weather. Took it out and went to drilling holes. I use both, a Finbore 6" and Nils 8" augers and the system worl=ks great and is reliable. I moved away from gas augers 10 years ago and then moved to lightweight because of back problems. Never looked back, in either case. The new cordless drills and battery technology are the greatest.
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Going to have to pick up an ION X it sounds like!!
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I just bought the 10” Strikemaster Lithium 40v. I bought that over the Ion because it comes with a free extra battery. I will make sure I give a report if we ever get fishable ice in western Montana...
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I love the gas auger when the ice gets thick but it sure is heavy, leaks gas at times, and is noisy as hell. These lithium augers look awesome!
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The absolute "best of all" IMO - is the Milwauki M18 cordless, with a 5AH or 9AH battery and a lightweight auger, like the Kdrill or a Finbore augers (Nils if you want the best); no plate, just a drill adapter and safety mechanism to prevent loss of the auger bit.
Super light weight, the Milwauki batteries are resistant to the cold. I left mine in the back of my truck (purposely) last year for 2 weeks, in sub zero weather. Took it out and went to drilling holes. I use both, a Finbore 6" and Nils 8" augers and the system worl=ks great and is reliable. I moved away from gas augers 10 years ago and then moved to lightweight because of back problems. Never looked back, in either case. The new cordless drills and battery technology are the greatest.
. X2 their batteries are by far the best in cold weather !!!
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Thinking my old gas is a backup....hoping Santa brings a new batt ice auger
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Ok, has anyone tried the 10" auger bit on the ION? I'm debating how it works, as I'm currently using the 8"..
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The reverse on the ION is pretty awesome
Did any one mention that ION's come with a auger extension
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I forgot about the extension too. Also, the batteries from the original Ion and Ion-X are interchangeable. If you're like me and buy the original Ion, you can either right away buy an Ion-X battery as a backup, or wait a couple years like I'm going to do then buy it then. The benefit is you have a larger capacity on the original, which isn't much different than the Ion-X from what I've read.
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Ok, has anyone tried the 10" auger bit on the ION? I'm debating how it works, as I'm currently using the 8"..
Older thread here ----- https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=296326.0
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Older thread here ----- https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=296326.0
At 5:25, that's a perfectly acceptable, pretty fast drilling speed, anything more than that is icing...
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At 5:25, that's a perfectly acceptable, pretty fast drilling speed, anything more than that is icing...
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??? Ahhhhh.....OK !!
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Yeah I think he meant at the 5:25 point of the video, not that it took 5 minutes. I can chip a hole with my ice picks in under 5 minutes LOL!
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My Brother has a 6" Nils that works great.
I will likely sell my Jiffy and get an 8" Nils.
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Bought my Ion 2 years ago and love it! Even my wife likes drilling holes with it! my only regret was I didn't buy one sooner!!
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Just got an adapter for my $50 Eskimo. Already had an electric drill. I don't plan on drilling 100 holes a day so it will probably suffice. And when it dies I just throw the handle on and get crankin.
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I would also vote for the kdrill. I bought one last year, and it works with my existing bosch 18 volt drill. Secret on the battery is to keep it in a lunch box with a hot hands. We did about 18 holes and used less than a quarter of one battery in over 18 inches of ice. K drill weighs like 3 lbs, don't miss lugging that darn gas auger around and the extra gas. I can drill inside my ice house no exhaust smell. No more bucket that smells like gas. Never going back. Sold my Jiffy this summer. Now I use my drill all summer for work and all winter for fun.
Good luck you will love the electric.
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I would also vote for the kdrill. I bought one last year, and it works with my existing bosch 18 volt drill. Secret on the battery is to keep it in a lunch box with a hot hands. We did about 18 holes and used less than a quarter of one battery in over 18 inches of ice. K drill weighs like 3 lbs, don't miss lugging that darn gas auger around and the extra gas. I can drill inside my ice house no exhaust smell. No more bucket that smells like gas. Never going back. Sold my Jiffy this summer. Now I use my drill all summer for work and all winter for fun.
Good luck you will love the electric.
X2 on the K Drill. Twice as fast as the Ion X. Half the weight of the Ion X. Zero blade issues in any type of ice conditions dirty or clear. Free lifetime blade sharpening as well. Milwaukee lithium batteries are the best cold weather battery on the market.
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still no issues with Ion blades or batteries...and any blade will dull in dirty ice...
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still no issues with Ion blades or batteries...and any blade will dull in dirty ice...
For you maybe. Post #14 says results aren't the same for others.
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run your k-drill blades through sandy ice and see what happens...
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run your k-drill blades through sandy ice and see what happens...
Bet they last longer drilling dirty ice than Ion shaver blades.
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still no issues with Ion blades or batteries...and any blade will dull in dirty ice...
Chipper blades will not dull as dramatically as the Ion blades. FACT
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still no issues with Ion blades or batteries...and any blade will dull in dirty ice...
Here's a thread about the quality of Ion blades..
https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=330974.0
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Here's a thread about the quality of Ion blades..
https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=330974.0
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To that point, I have also broke a pair of blades and have had to order 3 other sets due to dulling in dirty ice. I believe, dont quote me on this, but you could attach a Mora to the Ion and at least you can get Swedish made blades for the Mora.
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Still no issues with Ion blades or batteries no matter how badley you guys want to find issues :)
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Still no issues with Ion blades or batteries no matter how badley you guys want to find issues :)
Calling the last poster, and everyone that replied to the link I gave you, lying?
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just reading through the thread and wondering why everyone wastes all this money buying blades. Sharpen what you got. Little bit of time, some sand paper of different grits, oh and don't forget a few beers you can make any blade sharp again. Takes practice. I have multiple hand augers all bought used or found in garbage. All needed a little work. Sharpen the blades all work like new. My jiffy gas auger has chipper blades. Same process just a different blade. I don't know maybe im wrong but why waste the money on blades. SHARPEN them!!
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Some were broken
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Calling the last poster, and everyone that replied to the link I gave you, lying?
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Missoulafish is an Ion fan boy and is just totally unwilling to admit that the Ion has had some problems in the past with a few things like broken or dulled blades, and auger freeze ups in the past. I do find it kind of odd that in the link you referred to he asked the question "So does the black ring have a matte finish or a gloss finish?" like that is supposed to mean something one way or another? Maybe he knows a certain finish on the ring could affect performance that nobody else does?
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just reading through the thread and wondering why everyone wastes all this money buying blades. Sharpen what you got. Little bit of time, some sand paper of different grits, oh and don't forget a few beers you can make any blade sharp again. Takes practice. I have multiple hand augers all bought used or found in garbage. All needed a little work. Sharpen the blades all work like new. My jiffy gas auger has chipper blades. Same process just a different blade. I don't know maybe im wrong but why waste the money on blades. SHARPEN them!!
I had a pair professionally sharpened and the edge just doesnt hold up like new blades do. If I had all of the tools to do the sharpening and someone with the knowledge to show me how to do it I'd love to learn the skill. However, I've tried using what i've got and the edge lasted about one trip. I clearly didn't know what I was doing but since my blades were getting replaced for free I figured I'd give it a try.
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fan boy naw, that's you Northern, go look at all your posts. I just call BS on the things you guys are digging up. Didnt call anyone a liar, that's your word Scratcher. Keep on guys, I know theres no issues and if there was its just like any thing else that was ever invented. Things have issues and they get resolved. You think your k drill and drills never had issues? The whole fan boy thing and undying loyalty for a specific thing because of its name is a joke...but hey I like how you call me a fan boy after I called you on exactly that. If I had issues with my Ion that were real issues id tell you about them right here:)
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I do find it kind of odd that in the link you referred to he would ask the question So does the black ring have a matte finish or a gloss finish?
Lol, I didn't even notice he had already posted on that thread in the past. Where does the denial come from? Lol
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Lol, I didn't even notice he had already posted on that thread in the past. Where does the denial come from? Lol
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Right! Yet he still says BS on the things we are "digging" up.
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wow, you guys are better than Scooby Doo! You really cracked open a mystery!!!
How then do you explain your question about the ring finish being matte or gloss on the other thread about broken Ion blades then? That is kind of an odd question to ask if you weren't trying to get at something specific?...like the recall Ion had on their Ion X auger shafts due to the ring finish being the direct cause of heavy auger blade freeze up and many had to be returned and replaced by Ion last winter.
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they had an issue, like previously stated by many people and they resolved it. But you being the detective you are want to imply that its still an issue like the breaking blades that a couple people had issues with.
Are you realy that naive to believe your k-drill and makita were designed, manufactured and sold with zero issues?
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they had an issue, like previously stated by many people and they resolved it. But you being the detective you are want to imply that its still an issue like the breaking blades that a couple people had issues with.
Are you realy that naive to believe your k-drill and makita were designed, manufactured and sold with zero issues?
He finally admits it! Nowhere did I say it was still an issue. I was saying at one time or another it was an issue. Like last year and their rollout with the new at that time Ion X auger. K Drill doesn't recommend to pair their auger with Makita. They've always recommended the Milwaukee Fuel drill for the K Drill which is what I own. They may have tested Makita before they went retail with the K Drill but if you look back at all their advertising videos in the past they always say Milwaukee is what they recommend. They designed the K Drill around the Milwaukee drill. As far as I know K Drill never has asked a large number of their customers to return their drills or augers for replacement because of defect like broken blades or the wrong finish that was applied.
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lol, whatever dude. Go fishing. Nothing to admit or deny here, thats your game clearly:)
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getting kinda salty around here.
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As an angler who does not yet own a power auger, would an electric be more beneficial or should I just buy a gas for my first?
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Many opinions myself I go with electric!
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As an angler who does not yet own a power auger, would an electric be more beneficial or should I just buy a gas for my first?
Do you have a good cordless drill yet?
If not, I highly suggest you go that route, everyone should have a good drill for life in general...
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I have an Eskimo Mako M43 gas auger but after watching my friend put his ION 40v through last season with no problems I am planning on switching to an electric myself. I think it's like any new technology, there were some kinks when they first came out a couple years ago but now they are nearly flawless and in a price range that makes them affordable. All I know is gas augers are heavy, loud, often leak gas and can be a pain to start at times. I would go electric hands down, it's definitely the future of ice augers. There was a good article on In-Fisherman about the new generation of electric augers.
http://www.in-fisherman.com/ice-fishing/alternative-ice-augers-for-cleaner-results/ (http://www.in-fisherman.com/ice-fishing/alternative-ice-augers-for-cleaner-results/)
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I already had a drill (actually 3 lol) so this rig cost me $70 to put together
Mora 6" auger- $30, like new off Craig's list..
Clam plate- $40 like new off Craig's list..
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As an angler who does not yet own a power auger, would an electric be more beneficial or should I just buy a gas for my first?
Are you planning to drill enough holes to justify the cost or are you content to just drill a few holes and fish whether you are catching fish or not?
Some guys drill holes all day...some guys drill a couple and are perfectly happy with that.
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It now has a lightened, extended "8 Mora, with a gearbox, add another $70, lol my gears, cost as much as the rest of it... Now $140!
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they had an issue, like previously stated by many people and they resolved it. But you being the detective you are want to imply that its still an issue like the breaking blades that a couple people had issues with.
Just posted..
https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=355254.0
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Wow! You really busted this case wide open😱
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Bought the ion this year best decision yet I pull the battery off and take it in the hut to to keep it warm also when traveling to the lake it is always in the truck no problem punching 40 plus holes a trip.
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Bought the ion this year best decision yet I pull the battery off and take it in the hut to to keep it warm also when traveling to the lake it is always in the truck no problem punching 40 plus holes a trip.
remember a soft lunch cooler with handwarmers works great on those cold days...3rd year on my ion..no issues and I absolutely love it....after my g friend left...I bring it bed and snuggle with it...no..of course not...but I do give it special care...it has performed just perfectly for me...
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Put together a clam plate and 8 inch k drill with both dewalt and milwaukee drills that are recommended. Have drilled hundreds of holes now with both drills. I can honestly say if you go this route the dewalt drilled more holes using less battery. Went out last night with dewalt 5 ah battery and drilled 70+ holes through 8 to 10 inches of ice. No issue. Day before went to same lake and drilled 68 holes with milwaukee before battery was dead. Both drill work perfectly for hole hopping. Guess it really comes down to what color drill you want.
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I already had a drill (actually 3 lol) so this rig cost me $70 to put together
Mora 6" auger- $30, like new off Craig's list..
Clam plate- $40 like new off Craig's list..
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Somebody posted a DIY version of a clam plate made of plywood but I can't find it anymore, Anbody else see that thread?
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Put together a clam plate and 8 inch k drill with both dewalt and milwaukee drills that are recommended. Have drilled hundreds of holes now with both drills. I can honestly say if you go this route the dewalt drilled more holes using less battery. Went out last night with dewalt 5 ah battery and drilled 70+ holes through 8 to 10 inches of ice. No issue. Day before went to same lake and drilled 68 holes with milwaukee before battery was dead. Both drill work perfectly for hole hopping. Guess it really comes down to what color drill you want.
What model Dewalt ...I'm using a refurbished 995 w/4ah batteries 8"Kdrill and Clam plate ...very impressed ...drilled a lot of holes and ran one 4ah dead and used quite if not all of the other battery ...drilled so many holes and moved I lost interest in counting ...does all my needs and more .
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It now has a lightened, extended "8 Mora, with a gearbox, add another $70, lol my gears, cost as much as the rest of it... Now $140!
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It looks like you cut most of the vanes off. Do you have to pull it up quite often to clean the hole ?
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It looks like you cut most of the vanes off. Do you have to pull it up quite often to clean the hole ?
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On deeper holes, yes, lift up to clear chips, but not any more often than with full flights.. Mora flights are welded in three places, top, bottom, and middle.. I cut the top weld, and cut the flights, just above the middle weld... That 8" bit weighs just over 3lbs...
Works great..
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What model Dewalt ...I'm using a refurbished 995 w/4ah batteries 8"Kdrill and Clam plate ...very impressed ...drilled a lot of holes and ran one 4ah dead and used quite if not all of the other battery ...drilled so many holes and moved I lost interest in counting ...does all my needs and more .
Dewalt dcd991p2. Needed to add with those 70+ holes still had one bar of battery left. Ran my radio for 6 hours after drilling holes.
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I am starting to get tired of my gas auger because I can never get the darn thing to start when I am on the ice and have been considering getting one of those new electric ice augers. I was wondering if anyone has any feedback, good or bad, on electric augers? The promos make them look pretty sweet. Thanks in advance! Can't wait to get out this year...
I have an older Gator attacker with a new set of batteries . It works well but it is heavy . It is overkill for me because I live in northern Indiana and lately we don't get much ice . I purchased this before the hand drill craze started and after I had 2 unsuccessful shoulder surgeries. The drill performs well equal or better than a gasoline auger. It's not in the classifieds but if I knew someone interested I would part with it . Montana probably gets a lot more ice than I do. This drill would work well in thick ice conditions
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I actually bought an adarter for my ice auger and a 5 amp battery for my 20v Dewalt drill. Drilled about 20 holes on 14" ice, and it drilled the hole in seconds, and barley drained my battery.
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time to let this topic die.
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time to let this topic die.
;) Just quit looking. :P It's a great topic and good to see all the options out there. Was not too many years ago that cordless options as good alternatives to fuel powered augers were even considered by many folks. Now, they are one of the best options, and there a lot of them.
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Guess I'm old school I have an old Strike Master that runs off my marine battery that I use in the summer for my trolling motor. Yea it's heavy but has never, ever failed me even in AK at 20 below. Not sure about the new batteries but I would have to go with the lithium(?) if I do replace old reliable...
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time to let this topic die.
no joke...
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Move along, there's nothing to see here! ;D