Author Topic: Best Panoptix transducer for 3-5 lb lake trout in 60+ fow?  (Read 368 times)

Offline Sharkbait22

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Anyone have real-life experience with any of the multi element transducers. Watched a few videos and it seems the lower frequency old school panoptix has better deep water performance. However it still seems difficult to see smaller lures in deep water, so having fun watching trout react and chase lures isn't possible until in range. The PS30 looks pretty amazing but not sure if it can be adapted to ice fishing, particularly down view mode.

The higher frequency Livescope seems limited to water less then 60ft give or take 10ft. It really shines in less then 30ft.

Given the depth of lakers and that they always are on the move I can't see using the side view (searching mode) much with any transducer model. I tend to move to high percentage spots.

Any thoughts from the laker chaser crowd appreciated.

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Re: Best Panoptix transducer for 3-5 lb lake trout in 60+ fow?
« Reply #1 on: Nov 20, 2021, 10:38 AM »
Don't even need a fish finder for little lakers.
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Re: Best Panoptix transducer for 3-5 lb lake trout in 60+ fow?
« Reply #2 on: Nov 21, 2021, 06:10 AM »
Why's that? When is sonar needed then? Thx

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Re: Best Panoptix transducer for 3-5 lb lake trout in 60+ fow?
« Reply #3 on: Nov 22, 2021, 04:28 PM »
PS30 is absolutely AWESOME in deeper water for lakers. We used it in 80-140 fow this summer. With 4 guys in the boat we could tell whose jig was whose and could tell when fish were chasing which jig. It was the most fun I've had in a long time. Even a guy that has a really hard time catching anything was able in just a short time to catch on and had three fish 30-34" in a couple of hours! I believe it would be pretty easy to rig up the PS30 to fish through the ice. We have also used the Livescope in water up to 80" deep for lakers and Whitefish, but were never really trying to see a jig in front of a specific fish I used it mainly to stay in the fish and always caught plenty with the knowledge that we were on em. I'm going to really make an effort to go after those lakers this winter and try the Livescope in that 40-80 fow where they are most likely going to be through the ice.   


Offline Sharkbait22

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Re: Best Panoptix transducer for 3-5 lb lake trout in 60+ fow?
« Reply #4 on: Nov 23, 2021, 07:31 AM »
Thanks for the feedback sra61. I'll keep an eye out for a used PS30 or maybe Garmin will develop a deep water version of Livescope.  I'm not sure if that is technically possible unless maybe they crank up the power a lot. Both setups are the same price. I've used the LVS32 Simcoe (deep and clear water) and it worked well in less than 50 fow, tried in 60 fow a few times but it was frustrating to see the lure and sometime the fish.  I think many people think that Livescope is an advancement (better tech), it is but it depends on the application.

PS30 Transducer no GLS10 black box needed
FREQUENCY               417 kHz
POWER                   144 W
BEAMWIDTH           120x90 really wide
MAXIMUM DEPTH   300 ft.

LVS32 Transducer
FREQUENCY         530 - 1,100 kHz almost CHIRP like given the range?
POWER                 500 W
BEAMWIDTH         135x20
MAXIMUM DEPTH     200 ft.

Here is a link for anyone interested in basic sonar physics https://www.awe.gov.au/environment/marine/marine-species/cetaceans/sonar-seismic-impacts 

Output frequency

Active sonars use a range of frequencies depending upon the role of the equipment. Lower frequencies (below 20 kHz) have potentially greater ranges in seawater due to lower rates of sound attenuation with distance. Detection of distant objects therefore relies on the use of lower frequencies, the lower the better, however, lower frequencies are not suitable for detection of small objects.

High to very high frequencies (above 100 kHz) provide excellent resolution of objects such as fish, small objects, and the sea floor but suffer from severe attenuation with distance from the source. These systems are only practical in shallow water or for short range detection of objects near the source.

Output power

The output power of active sonar is dependent on the designed purpose of the system. If the system is required to detect objects or the sea floor at great distances then high power transmissions will be required. This is because only a small amount of the output power may be expected to be reflected back to the detector from an object distant from the source. High power sonars include military antisubmarine sonars, commercial sidescan sonars, deep water echo sounders and fish finders. Lower output powers are used for sonars designed to detect objects in shallow water or close to the source.

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Re: Best Panoptix transducer for 3-5 lb lake trout in 60+ fow?
« Reply #5 on: Nov 23, 2021, 08:06 AM »
I have a body of water that reaches 200 fow, this lake does have current at times.  I primarily fish this lake for Lakers.  I have livescope aswell and used every outing.  I cant tell you how many times I wish I would had brought my old flasher with me when my group suddenly decides they wanna go to the 100+ fow.  I do have the traditional ice ducer for the garmin headunit aswell, but the lag is so bad in deep water compared to a vexilar or marcum.  I tried playing around with the different frequencies and a scope, but to no avail on lag. 

70fow is tolerable to see jig and fish all the way down at bottom.  If you only want to track fish and not your lure at same time, either unit (panoptix or livescope) will do fine.  I can still see fish at 150 fow at bottom moving, but your lure may disappear at around 70-80 depend on what lure you use.  This is just from my experience.  If I am using livescope, I expect to see my jig and fish at same time and the interaction.  Otherwise, it just takes the whole experience out of it.

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Re: Best Panoptix transducer for 3-5 lb lake trout in 60+ fow?
« Reply #6 on: Nov 23, 2021, 05:10 PM »
Thanks for the feedback sra61. I'll keep an eye out for a used PS30 or maybe Garmin will develop a deep water version of Livescope.
I actually bought my PS30 used on Ebay. I think I paid $600. Kind of risky I guess, but it works like a dream. I have it mounted on my transom, I may look, I might be able to just buy an extra bracket and figure out a mount for ice.

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Re: Best Panoptix transducer for 3-5 lb lake trout in 60+ fow?
« Reply #7 on: Nov 23, 2021, 08:50 PM »
I think the bracket for the PS31 fits the 30 if you are looking for more options. Best of luck and I'd be interested in the results.

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Re: Best Panoptix transducer for 3-5 lb lake trout in 60+ fow?
« Reply #8 on: Nov 24, 2021, 05:46 AM »
I will echo what UnderTheIce said, with Livescope it gets real tough to see a jig much deeper than 60', anything deeper than that, it is all about spotting fish.

 



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