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Now THIS is interesting!I get that some people have a simple guttural reaction to any number of things but I have never heard of your condition before.I take it eating fish isn't the issue here? Just the processing...Yes?
We just don't eat that much meat, either, which could be part of it. Mostly buy chicken or pork, a bit of beef to grill. I get a deer once every so many years, or a pop a few squirrel, rabbit, or pheasant, but overall meat really isn't our dietary centerpiece.
What is your center piece then? I guess I don't understand not eatting meat everyday
There are some very nice pasta dishes using cheese and vegetables that are great and meatless. Also, some mushroom or other Risottos are very nice as a meatless main dish. Ratatouille and Eggplant Parmesan also work well.
I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with taking fish. Perhaps that’s the disconnect. I’m saying to do so under the idea that the fisheries managers have given you limits under which you can operate however you’d like, while simultaneously saying the managers routinely put out bogus data is hypocritical, at best. I’m saying that you want to discuss how fisheries were essentially destroyed and management plans brought them back while also saying C&R is garbage and has no impact.
You’re basically spinning up each of your replies to fit a specific narrative that doesn’t remain intact throughout the thread.
If their data and management plans are bogus, why not take it upon yourself to do your part?
If the management plans don’t work, how do you explain the examples where they have? If C&R mimics nature where only “fast-growing dinks” end up becoming prevalent, how do you explain monster fish caught up here in bodies of water that rarely see fishermen? If harvesting fish from fisheries has no impact on populations, why do limits change/adjust? Why is that take used as a management tool if it has no measurable impact?
I’m just trying to figure out your position on all of this. You’re clearly in favor of taking fish, which is totally fine. But it’s like you’re almost opposed to C&R. But the confounding thing, in my opinion anyways, is that you’re alright with taking fish because the biologists or managers who set limits have allowed you to do so and you trust their work (when it pertains to you taking fish). Yet you also say they’re incapable and routinely put out bad information using inadequate methods to get their data. So I’m just having a hard time connecting the dots between how you condone taking limits of fish on every outing when you’ve stated the mechanisms that set those limits are erroneous, in your opinion.
Yes but almost everyday? I mean my wife makes stuff with veggies alot califlower zucchini ect but I know I couldn't go without meat even 3 nights a week. Im not knocking anyone just curious
My best man is a hunter and eats meat every day (I believe) and his wife is (has been since her teens) a vegetarian. I have eaten her cooking many times and I dont even think of meat while eating her dishes. She is an amazing cook. I think that if I could cook as she does, it wouldnt much matter to me if I had meat or not.That said... I am not a great cook and meat is my best salvation LOL
I agree, we probably do meatless 1or 2 nights a week, because my wife likes the meatless item she put on the menu - not because we are trying to go VEGAN or something like that.That said, when we do have meat, I eat less of it than I used to. Fish would tend to be an exception. I like it and the portions have remained consistent. Usually they are grilled and so they are fairly light on calories.
We do meatless maybe 1-2 nights month a little more in summer when the garden is going and we are getting stuff everyday. Idk I just can't not have meat and fish in my diet. Hell for Christmas dinner we had steak and shrimp with a huge baked potato
I hear you. I hunt/fish so I have 3 freezers full by the start of each year and they are empty by the start of deer season each year. Then we start all over.I really like vegetables but I prefer them to be served with meats. Stir fry is great and corn on the cob with a steak is great. Not often am I ever sitting down to just vegetables.
The fact of the matter is that most wildlife resource managers are poor performers, who fly by the skin of their teeth.
How can you prove and/or quantify this?
I hear you but (for me) a walk past the local fish department in our grocery store convinces me that this is not so. Walleye at $14 a pound equals 30# to pay for the new auger. 10# pays for the pop up ice shelter. 13# pays for the heater, chairs and tow sled. 10# pays for my traps and 20# pays for the wife's poles and jigs maybe.Thats less than 100# of fish paying for things that will last 10 years or more, which means 10# of fish a year pays for everything required...and things that are not even necessary. Thats less than a pound a week (1 meal) to justify the offset.
Are you the guys who saw me releasing short bass and said "hey well take those?" and then I said "they aren't even legal" and then the wife said "doesn't matter to us!"? I don't get it, someone explain please?
I love eating fish.And catching them is a ton of fun.But having worked on a commercial fishing boat I'll say this.I've eaten fish three meals a day. I've eaten fish seven days a week.But I will not eat fish three times a day seven days a week.I love fish but one can only eat so much and you become tired of it.I think most people would too if they ate it every day.And I'm talking fresh from the ocean fish everyday at that.
explanation: not enough game wardens. same around here. I see it a lot. one of the worst was fishing late ice on public lake. bite was hot ice was bad. only 2 guys out there. we have sub culture around here that takes all they get. big small they eatum all. we so happened they were on the spot we were going to fish.(probably a spot they seen others catching from too) get there and there is dinks all over the ice. crappie gills by the dozens. they were gathering up by time we walked over there. they had two buckets full to the top! and left several dozen on the ice that wouldn't fit! on the way off the ice you pass a wooded island. they stopped by the island and pulled out two more buckets full of fish! when they hit shore a van pulled up and they rammed all in a split. luckily they left us our two limits to catch still biting. but that is the mentality of some people. sad isn't it. enough to make a "sportsman" sick. so you mite understand how its get them or get ___ed. thats why we have limits. IMO nothing wrong with keeping what the law allows unless nothing eats them and are wasted.
Why do I catch and release?First I find it respectful to the sport of fishing and to my prey.Second, the states where I fish all have warnings about frequency of eating fish, especially large predators because of high mercury levels.Third FRESH fish always tastes better than frozen fish. I'm not interested in eating a dog food fed stocked trout that's been sublimating, (freezer burning) for months and months.Yeah, I catch and release. Wanna make something out of it?
I have no issues with calling a warden, what so ever.More good would be done with a phone call (in this situation) than all the C&R you could do yourself.
To each their own just don't understand C&R. Where I fish we don't have that warning on fish. My fish are n very freezer burnt. Vacuum sealer makes that not happen
I've seen trout/salmon caught and released to be caught again.One salmon a buddy of mine caught in October(he's allergic to fish), was caught ice fishing in a derby three months later. Misidentified at a brown trout....I think took 2nd place in trout category. If it was in the salmon category it would have also paid out.I also have seen a steelhead caught THREE times in one fall/winter. Twice in the same river over a months time, then left the river and showed up miles away near another river. Twice it was caught by the same angler.I like to fish for bowfin....they are very sporting, but not very tasty IMO and a real pain to clean. Have no desire to bring a cooler of ice out fishing for them in the summer, just to fillet them for somebody else.I like to fly fish for trout in a "secret spot". If I do well I can catch my limit of 6 trout. They are strong wild rainbows which can grow bigger. If I limited out and took them home, they wouldn't be there later. Sure they do eventually die and get replaced by young ones, but I would rather hook a 20" trout on a dry fly than a 12". This river would be considered marginal trout water at best due to warm summer temps, so it is not filled to the brim with runts needing to be harvested.
You bring up an interesting point with regard to law enforcement and rules on the book. Come hunting season where I'm at, you would be lucky to see a warden checking fishing licenses....fast forward to ice fishing season, they are hitting the ice fishing/derby circuit in force.If say you add a bunch of slot limits, water bodies with different regs, rivers with C and R in one stretch, but kill stretch one mile downstream, some anglers see that as excessive control of the resource and won't buy a license or go to less restrictive states to fish. In the little state of Vermont we have quite a variation of fishing zones, Lake Champlain, Inland and Connecticut River, you can also add some local waterbody restrictions in a northern section of the state. We even have several restrictive zones on baitfish use due to potential spread of diseases and invasive plants/animals. This all needs to be patrolled by wardens, which can be limiting.For me I have no problem reading the regs and understanding the laws and what I can fish for, but many of the "just want to go fishing" seem to not be able to decipher new regulations in areas that they may have fished their entire lives. Many times those regs do get changed based on fishery and/or public access or pressure.We have had several biologist changes in the last few years so there has been many changes in stocking/managing certain waterbodies and different sets of eyes on angling potentials. We are actually having several changes being made in the rule book to make it less restrictive for overall angling in the state and eliminating some waterbody specific regs that don't make sense and will fall under general regs making it easier for fishing overall.
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