Super Heater?

[Farley]

Anybody ever try mapp gas in a buddy heater?  Thinking about it.  I don't know if it will skrew anything up.  More heat, maybe too much, MELTDOWN, fire, explosion, low O's???

[icejunky]

you better take that question to the experts and go right to the source at Mr. heater. changing fuels is nto the best idea as most units are built to support one kind or intake

[Farley]

It's not a Mr. Heater.  It's a cheap dyna-glo knock off?
I say try it with a fire extinguisher handy?

[littlesturgeonguy]

why bother you can buy alot of propane for what your going to pay for one little can of mapgas

[rgfixit]

It's your eyebrows man!

I wouldn't do it.
rg

[FISHFORPIKE]

If you could rig it with a remote igniter, and if you didn't care for your heater; place it out in an open area with NO combustibles nearby and give it a shot.

I would not do it, at this point in my life - maybe in years past. 

[billditrite]

well i think you just might get that super heater as you put it...easy to regulate...if you get too hot just ...

stop , drop , and roll

[Raquettedacker]

Make sure you tape it so we dont miss out.

[Mainehazmt]

Mapp gas produces a flame temperature of 5301° F        propane max flame temp  3614° F  Doesnt look to smart to do to me!!!   
But I agree a video is a must!   carnage on Iceshanty.com!   LOL


 
SECTION III - Physical/Chemical Characteristics
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Appearance/Odor                          COLORLESS, UNPLEASANT ODOR AT APPROX. 100PPM
Boiling Point                            -54 TO -10F
Vapor Pressure                           97
Vapor Density                            1.48
Specific Gravity                         0.571
Solubility in Water                      SLIGHT
Container Pressure Code                  2
Temperature Code                         4
Product State Code                       L


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SECTION IV - Fire and Explosion Hazard Data
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Flash Point                              -144
Flash Point Method                       UNK
Lower Explosion Limit                    3.0
Upper Explosion Limit                    11.0
Extinguishing Media                      ELIMINATE EXYGEN SOURCE OR STOP FLOW OF GAS. USE WATER TO COOL CYLINDER. DRY CHEMICAL OR CO2 TO REDUCE OXYGEN 
Special Fire Fighting Procedures         COOL CYLINDERS WITH WATER. KEEP PERSONNEL AWAY 
Unusual Fire/Explosion Hazards           AUTO IGNITION TEMP 850 F. KEEP IGNITION SOURCES AWAY FROM CYLINDER AND CONTINUE TO COOL CYLINDER UNTIL GAS FLOW IS SHUT OFF. ESCAPING GAS FROM CYLINDER MAY BE IGNITED 


Propane
Flash Point -156 F (-104 C)
Autolgnition Temperature 842 F (450 C)
Flammability Limits in Air, Lower, % by Volume 2 %
Flammability Limits in Air, Upper, % by Volume g 5 %

PHYSICAL & CHEMICAL PROPERTIES
ODOR AND APPEARANCE
 COLORLESS, ODORLESS LIQUID UNDER PRESSURE WITH MALODORANT ADDED
COLORLESS, ODORLESS GAS AT ROOM TEMPERATURE AND PRESSURE
Boiling Point   -44 F (-42 C)
Specific Gravity  0.49 - 0.508
Melting Point  -310 F (-190 C)
Percent Volatile  100
Vapor Pressure  175 - 208 psi AT 100 F (38 C)
Vapor Density  1.5 (AIR = 1)
Bulk Density  ND
Solubility in Water  SLIGHTLY SOLUBLE
Octanol/Water Partn  ND
Volatile Organic  ND
Pour Point  ND
pH Value  ND
Freezing Point  ND
Viscosity  ND
Evaporation Rate  LIQUID BOILS RAPIDLY TO GAS AT ROOM TEMPERATURE
Molecular Formula  C3H8
Molecular Weight  44.0900
Chemical Family  ALIPHATIC HYDROCARBON
Odor Threshold  ND
 

[rabidsponge]

sounds to me like something you may wanna consult with the boys of mythbusters on..they like to blow crap up lol

[Farley]

I am at hunting camp right now when I get home Wednesday I'll give it a wherl with the cam rolling

P.S. wouldn't be the first time I  lost my eyebrows

[rgfixit]

Recommended Research Reading; take your time...

Poof-No Eyebrows!
By Patrick F. McManus

From the Book
Never Sniff A Gift Fish

   Just as I was assembling the ingredients for a small snack in the kitchen, the doorbell rang My wife, Bun, went to answer it, and I heard her invite in Milt Slapshot, a neighbor who often seeks out my advice on matters pertaining to the sporting life.
    "Is Pat home?" I heard Milt ask. "A fella told me he knows something about muzzleloading."
    Realizing Bun could never resist a straight line like that, I jumped up and headed for the living room in the hope of stifling her.
    "Does he ever!" she said, chortling. "Why, this very minute he's out in the kitchen loading his muzzle!"
    A wife who chortles is an irritation, but one who also regards herself as wit is a social nuisance. I grabbed Milt by the arm and guided him toward the den before Bun could embarrass the poor fellow further with another attempt at emulating Erma Bombeck.
    Stop the cackling, Milt," I told him. "It only encourages her."
    Once his tasteless display of mirth had subsided, Milt explained that he was building a muzzleloader and needed some technical advice from me. A mutual acquaintance, one Retch Sweeney, had told him that I had once conducted extensive scientific research on primitive firearms. That was true. In fact, it would be difficult to find firearms more primitive than those utilized in my research.
    "You've come to the right man," I said. "Yes, indeed. Now the first thing I need to know is, are you building it from a kit or from scratch?"
    "A kid," Milt said.
    "Good," I said. "Building muzzleloaders from scratch is a risky business, particularly when you work your way up to sewer pipe too soon. Now the first thing . . ."
    "Sewer pipe?" Milt asked. "What do you mean, sewer pipe? Are you sure you know something about black powder?"
    "Ha!" I replied. "Do you see my eyebrows?"
    "No."
    "Well, that should answer your question. All us experts on black powder have bald eyes."
    Actually, I do have eyebrows, but they are pale, sickly fellows, never having recovered from the shock of instant immolation thirty years ago. Having my eyebrows catch fire ranks as one of the more interesting experiences of my life, although I must say I didn't enjoy it much at the time.
    Indeed, my somewhat faulty eyesight may be a direct result of having my eyebrows go up in smoke. Either it was that or the splash of Orange Crush soda pop with which my sidekick Retch Sweeney, ever quick to compound a catastrophe, doused the flames.
    As I explained to Milt, who had settled into a chair in the den and was attempting with some success to conceal his fascination, most of my early research into the mysteries of black powder took place during the year I was fourteen. Some of those experiments produced spectacular results, particularly the last one, which enabled Retch and me to attend the annual Halloween party as twin cinders.
    The first experiment, in which my eyebrows were sacrificed to the cause of science, consisted of placing a small pile of black powder on a bicycle seat and touching a lighted match to it. I can no longer recall why a bicycle seat was employed as part of the apparatus, but I am sure my co-researcher and I had sound reasons for it at the time. In any case, we proved conclusively that a match flame serves as an excellent catalyst on gunpowder. I later concluded that the experiment might have been improved upon in only two ways: to have placed the powder on Retch's bicycle seat and to have let him hold the match. Instead, he chose to stand in awe of the experiment and about ten feet away, sucking absently on a bottle of Orange Crush. On the other hand, my sacrifice was not without its reward, since bald eyes and a hole burnt in my bicycle seat made great conversation openers with girls at school.
    The success of the experiment had to be withheld from the rest of the scientific community for fear our parents would find out about it. Unfortunately, my mother inadvertently discovered the secret.
    "Is anything the matter?" Mom asked during supper the evening after the bicycle-seat experiment.
    "No," I replied casually. "Why do you ask?"
    "Oh, nothing in particular," she said. "It just seems a little odd, your wearing sunglasses and a cap at the dinner table."
    She then expressed her desire that I remove both glasses and cap instantly, sooner if possible. After some debate over the finer points of dinner-table propriety, I complied.
    As expected, Mom responded with the classic question favored by the parents of young black powder experimenters everywhere: "WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR EYEBROWS?"
    Looking surprised and fingering the scorched area above my eyes, I tried to convey the impression that it was news to me that my eyebrows were missing, as if they might have dropped off unnoticed or been mislaid at school.
    The truth was soon extracted from me with an efficiency that would have been the envy of medieval counterintelligence agents. This was followed by a bit of parental advice. But scarcely had this parental advice ceased reverberating among the rafters than I was already plotting my next experiments for unlocking the mysteries of black powder.
    The discovery by Retch and me that we could purchase black powder in bulk from a local dealer was to have great impact on our lives, not to mention various parts of our anatomies. The dealer in question was the proprietor of Grogan's War Surplus, Hardware & Gun Emporium, none other than the old reprobate, Henry P. Grogan himself. We weren't at all sure Grogan would sell a couple of scruffy, goof-off kids something as potentially dangerous as black powder. Our first attempt at making a purchase was, therefore, cloaked in subtlety and subterfuge.
    "Howdy," Mr. Grogan, "we opened with, both of us so casual we were fit to burst."
    "Howdy, boys. What can I do for you-assuming, of course, you got cash in your pockets and ain't just here to finger the merchandise?"
    "Oh, we got cash," I said. "Uh, Retch, why don't you read Mr. Grogan our list?"
    "Uh, okay, heh, heh. Yeah, well here goes-one GI mess kit, one helmet liner, a parachute harness, a pound of black powder, and let's see, now, do you have any of those neat camouflage jackets left?"
    To our chagrin, a look of concern came into Grogan's eyes. "Gosh, boys, I don't know if I should . . . It just don't seem right to sell you two young fellows . . . Oh, what the heck! Elmer Peabody wanted me to save those last two camouflage jackets for him, but I'll let you have 'em. Now how much gunpowder was that you wanted--a pound?"
    In all fairness to Grogan, I must admit that he did warn us that severe bodily harm could result from improper use of the black powder. His exact words, if I remember correctly, were, "You boys set off any of that stuff near my store and I'll peel your hides!"
    The black powder we bought from Grogan had been compressed by the manufacturer into shiny black pellets, a form intended, I believe, to make it less volatile. Even before mashing them into powder, we found it was possible to touch off the pellets if they were first piled on a bicycle seat and a match held to them. The pellets did not ignite immediately even then, apparently for the purpose of tricking the person holding the match into taking a closer look at what was occurring on the bicycle seat. Then--poof!--no eyebrows.
    Our first muzzleloaders were small and crude, but as our technological skill and knowledge increased, they gradually became large and crude. We never did develop a satisfactory triggering mechanism. On the average shot, you could eat a sandwich between the time the trigger was pulled and the gun discharged. A typical muzzleloader test would go something like this:
    RETCH: Okay, I'm going to squeeze the trigger now. There!
    MUZZLELOADER: Snick! Pop! Ssssss . . .
    ME: Good. It looks like it's working. Better start aiming at the tin can.
    MUZZLELOADER: Ssss . . .fizt . . .sss . . .
    RETCH: Say, give me a bit of that sandwich, will you?
    ME: Sure.
    MUZZLELOADER: . . .sss . . .sput . . . ss . . . putt . . . ss . . .
    RETCH: What time is it?
    ME: About time for me to--
    MUZZLELOADER: . . . ssst--POOT!
    RETCH: (enveloped in cloud of smoke): How was my aim?
    ME: I think it was pretty good, but the muzzle velocity leaves something to be desired. As soon as the smoke clears, reach over and pick up the ball and we'll load her up again.
    Even as we increased the range of our muzzleloaders, the delay in the firing mechanism discouraged us from using them on game. If we had used one of them for rabbit hunting, say, we would have had to squeeze the trigger and then hope a rabbit would happen to be running by when the gun discharged. Squeezing the trigger before your game appears over the far horizon is the ultimate in leading a moving target.
    Since we had up to three minutes of lead time on stationary targets, hunting with our muzzleloaders seemed somewhat impractical. There was also the probable embarrassment of having our shots bounce off the game. It didn't seem worth the risk. A hunter can stand only so much humiliation.     
    Our first muzzleloader was a small-caliber derringer, the ammunition for which consisted mostly of dried peas. This prompted Retch to remark derisively to a tin-can target, "All right, Ringo, drop your iron or I'll fill you full of dried peas."
    "Okay, okay," I said, "I get your drift. We'll move up to the hard stuff--marbles, ball bearings, golf balls."
    It was a mistake, though, and I knew it. Once you start escalating, there's no stopping until you achieve the ultimate weapon. Within a couple of months, we were turning out muzzleloaders in the .80-caliber range. Then we got into the large-caliber stuff. Finally, we decided the time had come to stop monkeying around with black powder pistols and rifles. We'd had some close calls. We had reached a point where there was some doubt in our minds whether we might be firing a muzzleloader or touching off a bomb. Thus it was with considerable relief that we abandoned our clandestine manufacture and testing of pistols and rifles. After all, a cannon would be much safer; you didn't have to hold it.
    The cannon was constructed of sewer pipe, tow-by-fours, baby-carriage wheels, rubber inner-tube bands, a clothespin, baling wire, and various other odds and ends, all of which, blending into a single, symmetrical unity, neared perfection on the scale of beauty. A croquet ball was commandeered from the Sweeney backyard for the use as shot. In our enthusiasm of the moment, it was thought the croquet ball could be returned to the set after it was recovered from the firing range. Alas, it was not to be so.
    Attired in our muskrat-skin hats, which we had sewn up ourselves, we mounted our bicycles and, with cannon in tow, wet off for the local golf course, where a fairway would serve as a firing range, a putting green as a target.
    As we had hoped, the golf course turned out to be deserted. We quickly wheeled the cannon into firing position and began the loading procedure.
    "Think that's enough powder?" Retch asked.
    "Better dump in some more," I advised. "That croquet ball is pretty heavy."
    "And there's some for good measure," Retch said.
    The croquet ball fit a little too tightly, but we managed to ram it down the barrel.
    Then we both took up positions alongside the cannon to witness the rare and wonderful spectacle of a sewer pipe firing a croquet ball down a golf-course fairway.
    "Ready, aim, fire!" I commanded.
    Retch tripped the firing mechanism.
    Eventually, the thunder was replaced by clanging bells inside our heads, the shattered pieces of earth and sky fell back into place, and the wobbly world righted itself. Retch and I limped over to the side of a utility shed and sat down to relax a bit and collect our senses. Presently, a deputy sheriff drove up. He stood for a moment gazing at the haze of smoke wafting gently over the golf course, the patch of smoldering turf ringed by fragments of sewer pipe, baby carriage wheels, and pieces of two-by-four. Then hoisting up his gun belt, he sauntered over to us.
    "You boys know anything about an explosion out this way?" he asked.
    "What kind of explosion?" Retch asked.
    "A big explosion."
    I was still so stunned I couldn't even think up a good lie. Anyway, I knew the deputy had us cold.
    "Now, what I want to know," the deputy went on, "Is why are you two boys sitting out here behind this shed smoking?"
    "Shucks," I said, "if you'd been a little earlier, you'd have seen us while we were still on fire!"
    I though for sure he was going to haul us off to jail, but instead he just smiled, took one last look at the smoldering debris, and started to saunter back to his car. "Well, if you fellas turn up any information about the explosion," he said over his shoulder, "I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know. I don't reckon there'll be another one, do you?"
    "Nope," Retch and I said in unison.
    Then the deputy stopped and kicked gingerly at something on the ground in front of him. It was Retch's muskrat hat! The deputy turned and gave us a sympathetic look. "Too bad about your dog," he said.
    The cannon petty well quelled our enthusiasm for building our own muzzleloaders from scratch. Not only had it made a big impression on us; it had made numerous small impressions. Years later, while I was undergoing a physical examination, the doctor commented on some bumps under my skin.
    "Pay them no mind, doc," I told him. "They're just pieces of sewer pipe."
    At this juncture of my recitation, Milt Slapshot jumped up and headed for the door.
    "Thanks," he said. "You've answered my question."
    "Gee," I said. "I've even forgotten what the question was. But if you need any help putting your muzzleloader kit together, Milt, just give me a call."
    He hasn't called yet. I suppose he's been tied up at the office a lot lately.


"Too bad about your dog"

One of my favorites
RG
   
   
 

[Farley]

Rgfixit I'm not making a cannon I'm just testing the limits of a portable heater.


That was a funny story though

[bart]

Patrick McManus is awesome! Never Sniff A Gift Fish, A Fine and Pleasant Misery, Grasshopper Trap...

[rgfixit]

I know it's not supposed to be a cannon...but....

I knew a guy who was a Kodak engineer and avid black powder nut. He and his buddies made a bowling ball cannon. They used to fire it straight up in the air in an old gravel pit. It was the culmination of several prior "cannons" that started with golf balls.

Just be careful.
RG

[Grumpyoldman]

Leave the heater alone. Build a cannon.

[FISHFORPIKE]

A potato gun - charged with MAP GAS - now there's a thought! 

[pooley]

i'm standing by with a CO 2 extingusher! i'll put him out!

[holehawg]

Anybody ever try mapp gas in a buddy heater?  Thinking about it.  I don't know if it will skrew anything up.  More heat, maybe too much, MELTDOWN, fire, explosion, low O's???

 
       click......click...... booooooooooooooomm !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (remember...only you can pervent forest fires.... ....) i dont think this is a good idea....if your that cold ..get youself a 5 gal. metal  pail..fill with match light charcoal...& presto...nice warm safe heat....

[pikeking]

KA BOOM!!!!!!!!
DO IT!!! DO IT!!!

I WANNA SEE YOU BLOW UP!!!

[ALASKANSS]

DONT MESS WITH GAS, TRUST ME!   OUT OF SEASON SUNBURNS ARE NOT COOL!

[Mainehazmt]

warn us ahead of time and set up a web cam!

[Farley]

A potato gun - charged with MAP GAS - now there's a thought! 

Ben there done that
potatoe flies about 300yrds

[pikeking]

Ben there done that
potatoe flies about 300yrds

Try using a Wiffle bat in your Potatoe gun, will go about 500ft with a full charge, put Butane it the gun.

[Farley]

Try using a Wiffle bat in your Potatoe gun, will go about 500ft with a full charge, put Butane it the gun.

heck yeah missle launcher!  Once I left potato cannon outside next to the barn for about a month and I saw a mouse run into it.....they got evicted but they only flew about 20ft... not enough seal.

[littlesturgeonguy]

you know what else works good? well it starts like this me and the boys were drinkin some beer and and a family of raccoons happend to show up and start eating the bird seed the birds had knocked to the ground well i got this bright idea to fire up the spud gun i loaded it with a potato and remembered i had some deer corn so a added some of that for shot and put another potato in to keep it all in place i don't think i hit a coon with the taters but you should have seen the spread in the snow from the corn.  works like a shotgun.

[Farley]

I'm not impressed!!!!