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thanks for the insight, guys. i see marcum has direction on theirs, does A.V. ? anyone know. we use cam. up in midwest to scout bottom ,n, look for stuff (structure, fish, lost scoops, etc). don,t use much here in pa., waters too dirty, stained, but we take several trips each winter to the upper midwest, so its an acceptable expense to my boy ,n, i. again , thank you all. wire