Yea and it again was on my 12 lb floro leaders. I tie one a no 8 treble as well. I always play the fish Thats half the fun. With the leader i can feel it strech. And thats when i let more line out. 9/10 times the fish will be hooked in the corner f the mouth. And the line while fighting is right behind the weird flap of skin on the lip keeping it away from teeth.