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Maine => Ice Fishing Maine => Topic started by: nightrider on Feb 22, 2010, 05:48 PM
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Had a great day on the ice, but these bugga's kept stealing my bait so I fixed um!!!! :roflmao: :woot:
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You're quite the "sportsman".
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those will be some fat & happy eagles!
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Nice presentation even added garnish for the birds! :) BTW perch is the actual eagle food lol
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Nice! NOT!! Should be like while hunting if you shoot something you have to use it or eat it can't just leave it or you can be ticketed. From squirrels to deer.
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from the sebago post to the pike post. this is one tough day.
GREAT PICS...love it
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Nice! NOT!! Should be like while hunting if you shoot something you have to use it or eat it can't just leave it or you can be ticketed. From squirrels to deer.
why? the state actually asks anglers to kill invasive fish
seems nightrider WAS doing his duty as a sportsman ;D
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You're quite the "sportsman".
way to go sportsman!!!!!!!!!!! kill every one u can get ur hands on!!!!!!!!!!!! love it.... keep the pics coming
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Nice presentation even added garnish for the birds! :) BTW perch is the actual eagle food lol
What do you mean for the birds, that is the best part of the fish. went right into the frying pan. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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I am just jealous I want to catch them.
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:thumbsup: NICE JOB :clap:
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why? the state actually asks anglers to kill invasive fish
seems nightrider WAS doing his duty as a sportsman ;D
Why thank you very much Yukon!!! :clap: :clap: We aim to please !!! ;D ;D
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Great kill shot keep them coming. 8) 8) I whack and stack every pike I get. ;D ;D
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Great kill shot keep them coming. 8) 8) I whack and stack every pike I get. ;D ;D
Exactly, the way it should be. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :clap: :clap:
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Great kill shot keep them coming. 8) 8) I whack and stack every pike I get. ;D ;D
Just wondering why you didn't keep them? Pike are great eating. 30" and bigger are even better. They are a pain to fillet but if you google how to clean a pike it will show you. Each one of those is like 6 perch, or do you feed those to the birds too.
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depends on what water they came from, too......there's lots of water in maine that hold pike that i wouldn't eat a big fish from
although pike are good eating
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Nice! NOT!! Should be like while hunting if you shoot something you have to use it or eat it can't just leave it or you can be ticketed. From squirrels to deer.
Well you know if I come across a coyote in the woods deer hunting it will feed the eagles also, how bout you do ya eat them? ??? ???
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Well you know if I come across a coyote in the woods deer hunting it will feed the eagles also, how bout you do ya eat them? ??? ???
Or use IT. use the fur to tie flies or have pelt tanned . It is actually illegal to shoot anything and not use it in some way.
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They get used very well, they feed the needy !!!
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Or use IT. use the fur to tie lys or have pelt tanned . It is actually illegal to shoot anything and not use it in some way.
I think using the pike to feed the Gulls makes more sense then having pike feed on the trout all day. Nice pics!
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Or use IT. use the fur to tie flies or have pelt tanned . It is actually illegal to shoot anything and not use it in some way.
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not if they are a nuisance.
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Great pics and fish, nice work on thinning the herd ;D
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It really is a waste, but whatever makes you feel good - go for it.
Killing a few doesn't make a difference, it just gives you a chance to post on Ice Shanty.
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Man some people guess your dad taught you to kill things just to kill things...there is a thing called ethics in this world and you are lacking.
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Man some people guess your dad taught you to kill things just to kill things...there is a thing called ethics in this world and you are lacking.
disagree
one could make the argument that his ethics are impeccable, in that he is killing an invasive species, one with no size or bag limits, one that our IF&W encourages killing of
sounds like you are actually (mis)applying YOUR ethics onto him
and the crack about his father was in poor taste
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Man some people guess your dad taught you to kill things just to kill things...there is a thing called ethics in this world and you are lacking.
I hate to say it Ive lived in Maine all my life and seen people do unethical thing like jack deer and you see on the news people killing eagles.This is no different in my mind it gives this sport in this awesome fishing state a bad name.We have such a variety fish fishing and hunting for everyone to enjoy and these types of people want to ruin it for our youngsters.The way its going there wont be much left when my 3 year old is my age Great job Maine well done :thumbsup:
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I think using the pike to feed the Gulls makes more sense then having pike feed on the trout all day. Nice pics!
I still have yet to see a trout in the belly of a pike with all these kill shotts and being gutted out huh ???
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You're quite the "sportsman".
Ya i bet you save a 12" trout and man will it be fun to pull in a 12" trout cant wait !! ::)
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Come-on now!!! what do you ethical sportsman use to catch the fish you eat??? MMMM ??? LIVE BAIT !!!! ??? enough said.
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Come-on now!!! what do you ethical sportsman use to catch the fish you eat??? MMMM ??? LIVE BAIT !!!! ??? enough said.
Then why isnt anyone eating these pike ???Everone one ellse says there good.
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I think using the pike to feed the Gulls makes more sense then having pike feed on the trout all day. Nice pics!
Second that but i throw every fish i catch back as long it's not invasive, and smaller then my biggest of that species of salmon or trout.
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way to go sportsman!!!!!!!!!!! kill every one u can get ur hands on!!!!!!!!!!!! love it.... keep the pics coming
Nice !!!!!!! ::)
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I still have yet to see a trout in the belly of a pike with all these kill shotts and being gutted out huh ???
How many pike have you cut into????
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I dont need to i see enouph on here ;)Ive made nuggets for my wife and inlaws i dont eat fish. :sick: just like to catch and release thats why i bass fish in the summer ;)
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Great looking pike! I bet that deep, deep down inside you actually enjoyed catching them on a tip up. I mean come on, you get to the trap and the spool is spinning faster than you've ever seen before. Then the fight, and the runs those fish make at the hole..................
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no body eats pike because most of them come from lakes that used to be filled with trash androscoggin, sabattus, etc. hey it was one of our own that put them here theres no one to blame but ourselves. there someone out there that knows who did this mayhem of stocking this invasive species. Probably because they couldn't catch game fish. anyway i believe if you catch it you do what you want with it. if you want to let them go than thats fine, if you want them to be eagle bait then so be it. Maybe we should start censoring before we post. Like beware if you like pike you shouldn't read this post Graphic Content Beware!!! than none of you would be offended. People need to stop whining and worry about themselves. No one is perfect i'm sure one of you guys saying its not ethical have done something unethical before. Let the guy fish. its not like there arn't enough pike to go around there only invading every lake in southern maine.
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I guess people just like to argue about this issue - The perverbial line in the sand has been drawn, sides have been decided and I'm guessing nobody will be switching alliances. Until the State of Maine changes it's laws there is nothing unethical about leaving pike on the ice for the eagles enjoyment. Do I like it? No, actually I don't...But, I hate seeing pike gaining inroads into every Maine waterway due to bucket bios/natural causes even more. I've never fished for or caught a pike, but if caught it will most certainly end up on the ice. If that makes me a bad sportsman, then I'll learn to live with it.
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Great looking pike! I bet that deep, deep down inside you actually enjoyed catching them on a tip up. I mean come on, you get to the trap and the spool is spinning faster than you've ever seen before. Then the fight, and the runs those fish make at the hole..................
NOT !! you get a flag and don't even realize you have a fish till you start to spool your line and then you get excited for the eagles. and believe me they can tell when I arrive they fly overhead just waiting.
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no body eats pike because most of them come from lakes that used to be filled with trash androscoggin, sabattus, etc. hey it was one of our own that put them here theres no one to blame but ourselves. there someone out there that knows who did this mayhem of stocking this invasive species. Probably because they couldn't catch game fish. anyway i believe if you catch it you do what you want with it. if you want to let them go than thats fine, if you want them to be eagle bait then so be it. Maybe we should start censoring before we post. Like beware if you like pike you shouldn't read this post Graphic Content Beware!!! than none of you would be offended. People need to stop whining and worry about themselves. No one is perfect i'm sure one of you guys saying its not ethical have done something unethical before. Let the guy fish. its not like there arn't enough pike to go around there only invading every lake in southern maine.
People eat the white perch out of sabattus so why not the pike there was one thread the guy jigged up 27 he said what do you think he did with them ???
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People eat the white perch out of sabattus so why not the pike there was one thread the guy jigged up 27 he said what do you think he did with them ???
They make some good coyote bait ;)
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honestly, i've caught pike to 14lbs through the ice, and up to 5lbs on the fly
on the fly they are awesome on the take, but not much else after that
all the pike over 5lbs i've landed through the ice came straight out, little fuss, no fight
then again, i'd argue that the best fighting fresh water fish i've seen are carp....
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no body eats pike because most of them come from lakes that used to be filled with trash androscoggin, sabattus, etc. hey it was one of our own that put them here theres no one to blame but ourselves. there someone out there that knows who did this mayhem of stocking this invasive species. Probably because they couldn't catch game fish. anyway i believe if you catch it you do what you want with it. if you want to let them go than thats fine, if you want them to be eagle bait then so be it. Maybe we should start censoring before we post. Like beware if you like pike you shouldn't read this post Graphic Content Beware!!! than none of you would be offended. People need to stop whining and worry about themselves. No one is perfect i'm sure one of you guys saying its not ethical have done something unethical before. Let the guy fish. its not like there arn't enough pike to go around there only invading every lake in southern maine.
I've eaten one pike and a bunch of white perch out of Sabattus, and THEY BOTH WERE DELICIOUS............. ...................... ......... instead of leaving em on the ice, you should actually give em a try, you probably will be surprised.
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NOT !! you get a flag and don't even realize you have a fish till you start to spool your line and then you get excited for the eagles. and believe me they can tell when I arrive they fly overhead just waiting.
Im sure your a legend !
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People eat the white perch out of sabattus so why not the pike there was one thread the guy jigged up 27 he said what do you think he did with them ???
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ok, enough playing around - serious answer is big fish eat small fish, so the accumulated badness from their environment is far, far greater than small fish....the big fish get all the bad stuff from all the little ones they eat
smaller fish are always 'safer' to eat
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NOT !! you get a flag and don't even realize you have a fish till you start to spool your line and then you get excited for the eagles. and believe me they can tell when I arrive they fly overhead just waiting.
you have never cought a monster pike then they will spool you in no time and ive seen my share of monsters 8)
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honestly, i've caught pike to 14lbs through the ice, and up to 5lbs on the fly
on the fly they are awesome on the take, but not much else after that
all the pike over 5lbs i've landed through the ice came straight out, little fuss, no fight
then again, i'd argue that the best fighting fresh water fish i've seen are carp....
Little fuss, no fight. You must be joking??
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Little fuss, no fight. You must be joking??
Like i said ;D
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Only in the Eagles eye!!!! :clap:
Im sure your a legend !
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yeah.....i've had togue half the size that were a lot tougher, honestly
the best pike ever was one in 2' of water, below the ice.....dropped the shiner, as i lifted it off the bottom, it came slashing at the bait again, and missed
my buddy, a newbie, spent 10 minutes, line in hand, laying on the ice, before he hooked it...it kept slashing at the bait, missing, coming back.....that was cool
but honestly, the little ones go nuts, kind of like a wild brookie.....they know something isn't right, they thrash around without a real plan (a big brown, a river smallie, a largemouth in the salad....they have a plan).....the big ones have pulled hard simply because they were big and didn't like what was going on, but....
every time i catch them on the fly in the spring, i always swear after landing the first one that i am going to clip the point of the hook off, because it is all about the take....after that, it's just kind of a PITA, they come in easy and then thrash at the boat
the take, though.....that's worth the effort sometimes
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Nice Pics! But this thread has turned to shizit.
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Little fuss, no fight. You must be joking??
Thank goodness because i was beginning to think i was hallucinating all these years ;D
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this one is modest, for sure, but my biggest to date
just under 14lbs on jim's scale (is he still open?)
from the time i set the hook until it was flopping on the ice was maybe 7 seconds.....and all the other ones over 5lbs (maybe 20-30 fish i've caught or seen caught....i don't target them but a few times a winter and once or twice after ice out) were similar
maybe i just get the lazy ones
and i joke around on the pike threads, i've probably put as many back in the water at sabattus as i've killed, but i am serious about the lack of fight i've seen
the take can be epic.....i've had large pike flies just destroyed, and two hooks broken....but after that, nothing to write home about
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this one is modest, for sure, but my biggest to date
just under 14lbs on jim's scale (is he still open?)
from the time i set the hook until it was flopping on the ice was maybe 7 seconds.....and all the other ones over 5lbs (maybe 20-30 fish i've caught or seen caught....i don't target them but a few times a winter and once or twice after ice out) were similar
maybe i just get the lazy ones
and i joke around on the pike threads, i've probably put as many back in the water at sabattus as i've killed, but i am serious about the lack of fight i've seen
the take can be epic.....i've had large pike flies just destroyed, and two hooks broken....but after that, nothing to write home about
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Thats not to bad of a fish but when they get to 17 pounds up hang on
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Disgusting.....makes me want to puke....you people that kill every pike you catch just for the fun of it because it is an "invasive species" are the reason sportsmen get a bad name....and don't give me the "he's doing his duty" crap....that just shows how unintelligent you really are. Do you want to kill all the turkey's off too?!? The pike are here to stay and I love it!!!!!! Death to all the trout. I have never caught any trout that put up a fight even close to that of a small 5 lb pike. That's right trout fisherman.....small is 5 lbs in pike land. You should try it.
If I post the same pictures but with trout in it how will I be recieved?
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Catch the trout and feed them, we will respond!!!
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Disgusting.....makes me want to puke....you people that kill every pike you catch just for the fun of it because it is an "invasive species" are the reason sportsmen get a bad name....and don't give me the "he's doing his duty" crap....that just shows how unintelligent you really are. Do you want to kill all the turkey's off too?!? The pike are here to stay and I love it!!!!!! Death to all the trout. I have never caught any trout that put up a fight even close to that of a small 5 lb pike. That's right trout fisherman.....small is 5 lbs in pike land. You should try it.
If I post the same pictures but with trout in it how will I be recieved?
Go for it!!! Good luck!
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Disgusting.....makes me want to puke....you people that kill every pike you catch just for the fun of it because it is an "invasive species" are the reason sportsmen get a bad name....and don't give me the "he's doing his duty" crap....that just shows how unintelligent you really are. Do you want to kill all the turkey's off too?!? The pike are here to stay and I love it!!!!!! Death to all the trout. I have never caught any trout that put up a fight even close to that of a small 5 lb pike. That's right trout fisherman.....small is 5 lbs in pike land. You should try it.
If I post the same pictures but with trout in it how will I be recieved?
YA actually I want to kill all the turkeys, and then maybe the deer population will be half way decent again. And Are you serious about death to all trout? Obviously you arnt a serious fisherman or else you would know that trout and salmon are Maine's past time. Those fish have been fished in Maine waters for century's, and it's a dieing shame when a trout lake has pike introduced to it. Woodab17, you sound like a god d@$n highlander to me. Move out west and catch all the pike you want.
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YA actually I want to kill all the turkeys, and then maybe the deer population will be half way decent again. And Are you serious about death to all trout? Obviously you arnt a serious fisherman or else you would know that trout and salmon are Maine's past time. Those fish have been fished in Maine waters for century's, and it's a dieing shame when a trout lake has pike introduced to it. Woodab17, you sound like a god d@$n highlander to me. Move out west and catch all the pike you want.
No Thanks.....there are plenty of big pike here in New England for me to catch. I guess as an outdoorsman I don't see the difference between killing a nice pike for no reason and killing a nice trout for no reason. I wouldn't kill either unless it was going to be eaten.
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Well 2 wrongs dont make a right ;)I wouildnt crap on what anyone fishes for
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Disgusting.....makes me want to puke....you people that kill every pike you catch just for the fun of it because it is an "invasive species" are the reason sportsmen get a bad name....and don't give me the "he's doing his duty" crap....that just shows how unintelligent you really are. Do you want to kill all the turkey's off too?!? The pike are here to stay and I love it!!!!!! Death to all the trout. I have never caught any trout that put up a fight even close to that of a small 5 lb pike. That's right trout fisherman.....small is 5 lbs in pike land. You should try it.
If I post the same pictures but with trout in it how will I be recieved?
Didn't see any pics??? ??? I'm sure you were being sarcastic, but "death to trout" is ok, but "death to pike" isn't? Have you ever caught a 5lb trout to compare to a similar sized pike? I certainly haven't, so can't comment one way or the other, and would guess you haven't either. As I stated in my previous post, the sides have been decided and alliances probably won't be changing. Rather then inciting the board with outrageous posts, perhaps you would like to add something tangible...
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Thats not to bad of a fish but when they get to 17 pounds up hang on
somehow i don't see it changing much; bigger, stronger fish, but behavior doesn't really change
pike are solid game fish for a short window - post spawn until the water warms
they have to eat in winter, especially pre spawn, so they are good to ice fish for, but they generally don't expend a ton of energy - it doesn't make biological sense
once the water warms, they get lazy and look for the deeps if they can
but that post spawn period, they aren't half bad
i don't begrudge them, when push comes to shove (invasive issues aside), but they aren't a tremendous game fish - if you like the chance to catch big fish, especially big fish that aren't particularly hard, have at it....i like to catch fish, period, so i'll target them on occasion (but wish i didn't have the opportunity here)
but when push comes to shove, i'd rather a 4lb river smallie (they fight harder), a big old largemouth (something about summertime largemouths), or a trout rising in a tough spot (i like tough to catch fish)
i think pike tend to appeal to people who like big fish....that's ok, we all do this for our own reasons....they just aren't super high on my list
(sorry to go serious in such a fun thread on a monday evening ;D)
as much as it is fun to get each other going, don't begrudge the original poster.....it IS an invasive fish, take IS encouraged by our biologists, and what he did is legal (and, for the most part, encouraged)...he chose not to eat them, and leaving them to benefit eagles and other animals is far better then tossing them in the dumpster
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Wait A minute Now! people buy bird food and feed the birds, people buy deer food and feed the deer, people buy all sorts of crap and feed wildlife, and that's OK. but you let me buy one little smelt and catch a pike or so and feed the eagles, fox, coyotes etc. and I become unethical. whats up with that?
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Didn't see any pics??? ??? I'm sure you were being sarcastic, but "death to trout" is ok, but "death to pike" isn't? Have you ever caught a 5lb trout to compare to a similar sized pike? I certainly haven't, so can't comment one way or the other, and would guess you haven't either. As I stated in my previous post, the sides have been decided and alliances probably won't be changing. Rather then inciting the board with outrageous posts, perhaps you would like to add something tangible...
Actually.....I have caught 5 lb Togue, and Brown Trout. So I can compare, and find the pike to be a better fight....especially when you get real big ones.
Also I would like to know if anyone has ever caught a pike with a trout in it's stomach?
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Wait A minute Now! people buy bird food and feed the birds, people buy deer food and feed the deer, people buy all sorts of crap and feed wildlife, and that's OK. but you let me buy one little smelt and catch a pike or so and feed the eagles, fox, coyotes etc. and I become unethical. whats up with that?
Are you shooting deer and then feeding them to the coyotes?
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obviously they are invasive and you are free to do what you wish with them. I personally throw them back. I do think if you want to kill them you could do something else with them.Leaving them out on the ice and posting pictures with their guts hanging out does nothing but hurt the sport and fuel the anti's.A family on a lake walking or skating might not want to see that.Take em home and put em in the trash or make a bait pile in the woods if your doing it for a cause. what was the point of taking pics of gutting? just to show off on the net? just curious.
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look on the if&w site, there's been multiple pics of fish from the belgrade's alone with trout in pike's stomach
i remember one 5+lb brown in a big one, in fact
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Wait A minute Now! people buy bird food and feed the birds, people buy deer food and feed the deer, people buy all sorts of crap and feed wildlife, and that's OK. but you let me buy one little smelt and catch a pike or so and feed the eagles, fox, coyotes etc. and I become unethical. whats up with that?
I think an eagle is a bird not sure tho ;D and you can get free bait from a butcher wow imagine that ::)
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Are you shooting deer and then feeding them to the coyotes?
no offense, but there really isn't a parallel
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look on the if&w site, there's been multiple pics of fish from the belgrade's alone with trout in pike's stomach
i remember one 5+lb brown in a big one, in fact
Put a link up i cant find it ???I looked every were i even googled it :'(
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i'll see what i can do, but it was on the if&w bios reports back when they were opening long to ice fishing, 3-4 years ago maybe?
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Put a link up i cant find it ???I looked every were i even googled it :'(
I cant find that either, but would be very interested in seeing it
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Are you shooting deer and then feeding them to the coyotes?
I dont think he was saying that :roflmao:
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Actually.....I have caught 5 lb Togue, and Brown Trout. So I can compare, and find the pike to be a better fight....especially when you get real big ones.
Also I would like to know if anyone has ever caught a pike with a trout in it's stomach?
Sorry, I was thinking brook trout, not togue or brownies. I'll have to defer to you, since I've never caught a pike ever, but have got to wonder...
Do you honestly believe that pike aren't a threat to salmon and trout??
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i'll see what i can do, but it was on the if&w bios reports back when they were opening long to ice fishing, 3-4 years ago maybe?
If that's the case it was probably old and dead on the bottom like the earlier post said there not a very active fish to be chasing browns and salmon and brookies
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Put a link up i cant find it ???I looked every were i even googled it :'(
let me drop an email or two, i'll see if i can find it easier than googling, but it may take a day or two
did you search the archives here? i KNOW it appeared here a few years ago, too....or on MFF
honestly, big wild brookies and smaller pike, to me, fight similar....lots of wasted energy and spastic 'fighting'...no real plan
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Sorry, I was thinking brook trout, not togue or brownies. I'll have to defer to you, since I've never caught a pike ever, but have got to wonder...
Do you honestly believe that pike aren't a threat to salmon and trout??
I dont think they do unless the fish is sick or week
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obviously they are invasive and you are free to do what you wish with them. I personally throw them back. I do think if you want to kill them you could do something else with them.Leaving them out on the ice and posting pictures with their guts hanging out does nothing but hurt the sport and fuel the anti's.A family on a lake walking or skating might not want to see that.Take em home and put em in the trash or make a bait pile in the woods if your doing it for a cause. what was the point of taking pics of gutting? just to show off on the net? just curious.
Not to gross anybody out, the eggs that you see make a great plate. You mix them with corn meal and fry in butter till crunchy and MMMMM good. that is good with any fish egg not just pike. and the gutting is very educational to any youngster who happens upon it.
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if i recall, the brown was in good shape, and barely digested
but it was a few years ago
i know if&w had a few pictures, let me see if i can locate them
google is too broad, but i'll send an email or two
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Not to gross anybody out, the eggs that you see make a great plate. You mix them with corn meal and fry in butter till crunchy and MMMMM good. that is good with any fish egg not just pike. and the gutting is very educational to any youngster who happens upon it.
Is it fishie sounds nasty :sick:
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lol, my last google brought up this thread
pike very much will target healthy, adult trout.....the 'sick & weak' argument doesn't hold up with pike any more than it holds up with coyotes/deer - would they PREFER easy prey? sure, less calories used up in the kill makes great biological sense, but pike very much have the tools to take healthy, large, adult trout & salmon
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shad roe with bacon & onion is actually pretty good
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this is cool - whitefish from a pike not much bigger (canada)
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I dont think they do unless the fish is sick or week
So, what do they feed on? ??? They obviously have a voracious appetite to grow as big as they do...
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Sorry, I was thinking brook trout, not togue or brownies. I'll have to defer to you, since I've never caught a pike ever, but have got to wonder...
Do you honestly believe that pike aren't a threat to salmon and trout??
No i think there is a definate possibility they are a threat. But I don't think spreading their guts on the ice is going to have ANY effect on that.
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lol, my last google brought up this thread
pike very much will target healthy, adult trout.....the 'sick & weak' argument doesn't hold up with pike any more than it holds up with coyotes/deer - would they PREFER easy prey? sure, less calories used up in the kill makes great biological sense, but pike very much have the tools to take healthy, large, adult trout & salmon
I would really like to see it first hand or a picture.I think us as anglers hurt our trout more than any fish.Just look at the people that keep there limets everyday and sometimes more.They bring there kids just to fill another one.Like smelting geez hun if you and the kids go we can keep 8 quarts ive herd it more than once.
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No i think there is a definate possibility they are a threat. But I don't think spreading their guts on the ice is going to have ANY effect on that.
Sorry! I will rate the next post.
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No i think there is a definate possibility they are a threat. But I don't think spreading their guts on the ice is going to have ANY effect on that.
I would argue that simple mathematics would disagree...For instance, if you have 4 people eating the same amount of food, take one away more food would be left over.
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oh, i think pike are a bigger threat
we can, to some extent, limit angler effect through regulation & enforcement
pike don't follow any rules beyond biology
give me a few days....google isn't helping, i am wondering if if&w cleans its site every little bit
but the brown/pike pic made the rounds all over the place, it was pretty cool, actually - it was a real solid brown
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I would argue that simple mathematics would disagree...For instance, if you have 4 people eating the same amount of food, take one away more food would be left over.
dont leave me out man im a buck 50. :flex:
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from the if&w site: (not the picture i am looking for, but cool nonetheless)
(http://www.maine.gov/ifw/fishing/newsletter/images/pike.jpg)
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Yukon I remember seeing that article, It does scar the true sportsman. :roflmao: :roflmao:
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dont leave me out man im a buck 50. :flex:
Sorry Ace, you "buck 50" guys are the first to go ;D
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the 150 guys will fit down a 10" hole! ;D
been fun goofing around, hope no one took it too serious
i'll see what i can do on the pictures
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You are right Yukon, till the next catch see ya!!!!
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I know a ton of lakes in Maine that get stocked with Brook Trout that have no Pike and whatever Brookies don't get fished out in the first couple weeks are eaten by the Largemouth Bass. Fish eat Fish, plan and simple... I do agree that Pike will have an affect on the Trout and Salmon populations but in no way will they completely destroy the population, they still need to eat. If you do your reading on Pike you will learn that post spawn they become somewhat cannabalistic and even eat their own kind and larger females will eat the developing eggs... It's survival of the fittest, and fish eat fish world in every lake in existence... There are prime examples of lakes where the Trout and Pike coexist and create Trophies for both in the same lakes.. Lake of the Woods is a prime example...
It's very true that at this particular moment in time there is no management plan for Pike, but I guarantee that in the course of my lifetime, restrictions and regulations will be put on these fish in this state. A club will form and they will get the funding they need to effectivly lobby for it, just as the Bass Fisherman have. In my opinion, at this point it would be better to manage what we have more effectively, if we took every pike from Sabbatus or the Belgrade region, those areas would suffer financially, those spots have become a go to spot for a whole slew of anglers that are into the big fish mentality. Pike have been in the state for close to or over 40 years. It's true that a few selfish people have changed the heritage of this state whether it be for the good or the bad by moving these fish into and around in this state.. The Bucket Biologists are the true problem in this arguement and that is what needs to be stopped so that we can maintain some of what this state has been known for, for generations...
I don't hear any ongoing arguements about Crappie, I know most Crappie don't end up going back because of their delicious nature, but their presence in a trout lake will in theory have a similar effect on the population.. The crappie just eat the baby trout before they had a chance to grow... I have seen it... a 14" crappie I caught had a 4" Brookie in it... and I have seen a 4" Brookie in a Yellow Perch... Fish Eat Fish... there will be a period of time where the population levels will fluctuate until a balance is formed and from then on the Lake will have a normal ebb and flow of each species, it may be true that with the presence of pike they will become the top of the food chain, but each species will still have a population, the Belgrade lakes show us that. Trophy Browns and Trophy Pike in the same lake. Going to established Pike Lake like Sabbatus and throwing the Pike on the ice, in my opinion is unethical, I can understand throwing the pike on the ice in Sebago, it's not a Pike lake, but again in my opinion I don't think the Pike will ever be able to completely wipe the Trout and Salmon from that lake, we may see a change in the quantity, size, and quality, but I know my kid's kids will be able to catch Trout there... I think the IF&W needs to take a good hard look at the entire state's fishery and devise a management plan that both protects & promotes our state Trout and Salmon heritage, and at the same time takes advantage of the angling opportunity the "Invasive Species" presents... Whether we want to accept it or not, our sport to the state is about money and management is the key to capitalizing on that...
If you want to whack them and stack them feel free, but boasting and bragging about it online is only gonna create hard feeling between us all, like others have said before the lines have been drawn and everyone has their opinion... If you have spent any time on this site, you would know that Pike are a touchy subject and you would know posting pictures like that would get a negative response. That is the unsportsmanlike conduct that is not necessary or needed, kinda like rubbing a win in a basketball game into the losers face.. This issue is only gonna get worse if we do that type of thing, people do horrible things out of spite, the last thing we want them to do, is to take their buckets to the remaining Pristine Trout and Salmon Lakes, just to get back at someone that angered them. We need to stand together as anglers and find a way to stop the spread of Pike and others to every water in the state, and then effectively manage our fisheries so that our towns and states can make the most of what we have...
Sorry for my long rant guys, I pretty much post my thoughts on this subject once a year, and my opinion hasn't changed... I like fishing, all types, I don't each fish, so 95% of the time every fish I catch goes back. The lakes that I fish, the reason I go there is for a specific species, I would like to keep it that way, I think it's awesome to have all the opportunities that we have.... I just think, we, as a group, need to adjust our focus and fix the real problem at hand, these fish are spreading by other than natural means. If you want to fish for Pike drive to the lakes that already have them in it, don't bring them closer to where you live and change the natural environment of yet another lake....That is the Unethical Unsportsmanlike thing to do, instead of fighting each other, lets find these individuals and fight them, they are the real problem, not the fish... ;)
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Well said Lefty !!!
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If it makes fellow fishermen mad, imagine what it does to the anti's. Sportsmen are losing rights left and right and we are our own worst enemies. Bowhunters don't like crossbows, hunters don't like trappers, deer hunters don't like dogs for bear, trout fishermen don't like bass fisherman, fly fishermen don't like bait fishermen, etc, etc. Half of the anti hunting and fishing propaganda that gets publcised probably comes from outdoor forums like this. Yes, we can do whatever is legally within the law, but common sense says don't blast it all over the internet for the whole anti world to see.
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Musky, but you get the idea ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI71Hsy_PaU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI71Hsy_PaU&feature=related)
Trout guys, dont feel bad, there not picky :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K45YcVyAATw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K45YcVyAATw)
Not exactly on topic, but pretty cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiu8wIgdsPk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiu8wIgdsPk)
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YA actually I want to kill all the turkeys, and then maybe the deer population will be half way decent again. And Are you serious about death to all trout? Obviously you arnt a serious fisherman or else you would know that trout and salmon are Maine's past time. Those fish have been fished in Maine waters for century's, and it's a dieing shame when a trout lake has pike introduced to it. Woodab17, you sound like a god d@$n highlander to me. Move out west and catch all the pike you want.
actually not out west the west coast has no pike except in totally secluded lakes that have no way of flooding into other bodies of water.
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Well said Lefty !!!
Ditto :thumbsup:
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I know a ton of lakes in Maine that get stocked with Brook Trout that have no Pike and whatever Brookies don't get fished out in the first couple weeks are eaten by the Largemouth Bass. Fish eat Fish, plan and simple... I do agree that Pike will have an affect on the Trout and Salmon populations but in no way will they completely destroy the population, they still need to eat. If you do your reading on Pike you will learn that post spawn they become somewhat cannabalistic and even eat their own kind and larger females will eat the developing eggs... It's survival of the fittest, and fish eat fish world in every lake in existence... There are prime examples of lakes where the Trout and Pike coexist and create Trophies for both in the same lakes.. Lake of the Woods is a prime example...
It's very true that at this particular moment in time there is no management plan for Pike, but I guarantee that in the course of my lifetime, restrictions and regulations will be put on these fish in this state. A club will form and they will get the funding they need to effectivly lobby for it, just as the Bass Fisherman have. In my opinion, at this point it would be better to manage what we have more effectively, if we took every pike from Sabbatus or the Belgrade region, those areas would suffer financially, those spots have become a go to spot for a whole slew of anglers that are into the big fish mentality. Pike have been in the state for close to or over 40 years. It's true that a few selfish people have changed the heritage of this state whether it be for the good or the bad by moving these fish into and around in this state.. The Bucket Biologists are the true problem in this arguement and that is what needs to be stopped so that we can maintain some of what this state has been known for, for generations...
I don't hear any ongoing arguements about Crappie, I know most Crappie don't end up going back because of their delicious nature, but their presence in a trout lake will in theory have a similar effect on the population.. The crappie just eat the baby trout before they had a chance to grow... I have seen it... a 14" crappie I caught had a 4" Brookie in it... and I have seen a 4" Brookie in a Yellow Perch... Fish Eat Fish... there will be a period of time where the population levels will fluctuate until a balance is formed and from then on the Lake will have a normal ebb and flow of each species, it may be true that with the presence of pike they will become the top of the food chain, but each species will still have a population, the Belgrade lakes show us that. Trophy Browns and Trophy Pike in the same lake. Going to established Pike Lake like Sabbatus and throwing the Pike on the ice, in my opinion is unethical, I can understand throwing the pike on the ice in Sebago, it's not a Pike lake, but again in my opinion I don't think the Pike will ever be able to completely wipe the Trout and Salmon from that lake, we may see a change in the quantity, size, and quality, but I know my kid's kids will be able to catch Trout there... I think the IF&W needs to take a good hard look at the entire state's fishery and devise a management plan that both protects & promotes our state Trout and Salmon heritage, and at the same time takes advantage of the angling opportunity the "Invasive Species" presents... Whether we want to accept it or not, our sport to the state is about money and management is the key to capitalizing on that...
If you want to whack them and stack them feel free, but boasting and bragging about it online is only gonna create hard feeling between us all, like others have said before the lines have been drawn and everyone has their opinion... If you have spent any time on this site, you would know that Pike are a touchy subject and you would know posting pictures like that would get a negative response. That is the unsportsmanlike conduct that is not necessary or needed, kinda like rubbing a win in a basketball game into the losers face.. This issue is only gonna get worse if we do that type of thing, people do horrible things out of spite, the last thing we want them to do, is to take their buckets to the remaining Pristine Trout and Salmon Lakes, just to get back at someone that angered them. We need to stand together as anglers and find a way to stop the spread of Pike and others to every water in the state, and then effectively manage our fisheries so that our towns and states can make the most of what we have...
Sorry for my long rant guys, I pretty much post my thoughts on this subject once a year, and my opinion hasn't changed... I like fishing, all types, I don't each fish, so 95% of the time every fish I catch goes back. The lakes that I fish, the reason I go there is for a specific species, I would like to keep it that way, I think it's awesome to have all the opportunities that we have.... I just think, we, as a group, need to adjust our focus and fix the real problem at hand, these fish are spreading by other than natural means. If you want to fish for Pike drive to the lakes that already have them in it, don't bring them closer to where you live and change the natural environment of yet another lake....That is the Unethical Unsportsmanlike thing to do, instead of fighting each other, lets find these individuals and fight them, they are the real problem, not the fish... ;)
thats is 100% correct
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obviously they are invasive and you are free to do what you wish with them. I personally throw them back. I do think if you want to kill them you could do something else with them.Leaving them out on the ice and posting pictures with their guts hanging out does nothing but hurt the sport and fuel the anti's.A family on a lake walking or skating might not want to see that.Take em home and put em in the trash or make a bait pile in the woods if your doing it for a cause. what was the point of taking pics of gutting? just to show off on the net? just curious.
This is right on! I personally don't agree with anyone throwing pike on the ice, actually it infuriates me to see these fish wasted in this way, especially from people who love to fish from pike but don't understand that they are ruining what they and I love to do. However I understand that people have the right to do with them what they will, although I don't agree with it. What I think is absolutely wrong is leaving them on the ice, this sends the wrong message to the non sportsman. Many people who don't know the in's and out's of this situation would just think that fishermen are a bunch of unethical slobs. Just go to the Andro and see all the carcasses of pike melted into the ice, wouldn't take much to fuel the fire in some anti's. Many of the killers are living in the past, they need to wake up and accept reality. Keeping all pike are not going to eradicate them, yes it may slow the progression a little but lets be honest it isn't making an iota of difference and killing pike is not going to stop the bucket biologists. Time for a new strategy. Of course as long as there are no regs on pike than there are people who will be indiscriminate killers, these are the same people who kill anything that is in season whether they use it or not, it is human nature.
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Of course as long as there are no regs on pike than there are people who will be indiscriminate killers, these are the same people who kill anything that is in season whether they use it or not
That's a rediculous statement.The people killing the pike are doing exactly what the biologists are asking them to do,if you don't like it you should be writing to them,not this forum.If you guys put half the effort in directing your complaints to IF&W as you do to this board you might have a chance at changing the regs.
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That's a rediculous statement.The people killing the pike are doing exactly what the biologists are asking them to do,if you don't like it you should be writing to them,not this forum.If you guys put half the effort in directing your complaints to IF&W as you do to this board you might have a chance at changing the regs.
Well said Buddah! :bow:
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What happens if a Eagle gets a Y bone stuck in his throat and dies? I would think TROUT would be a easier meal,that nice soft mushy flesh and soft bones.If a warden saw it do you think he's bust you for killing an eagle?
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Thanks Budda! :thumbsup:
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What happens if a Eagle gets a Y bone stuck in his throat and dies? I would think TROUT would be a easier meal,that nice soft mushy flesh and soft bones.If a warden saw it do you think he's bust you for killing an eagle?
That is the risk of feeding any wildlife I would say. Many times I have taken road kill deer and beaver carcasses out on the kennebec to feed the eagles and not yet see one choking on a bone. But I do have a cell to dial 911 if need be.
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Great looking pike! I bet that deep, deep down inside you actually enjoyed catching them on a tip up. I mean come on, you get to the trap and the spool is spinning faster than you've ever seen before. Then the fight, and the runs those fish make at the hole..................
Exactly, so put them back so my future Grand Children can experience the same rush. ::)
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By then thats all we will be catching is pike if something isn't done with them now. the rush will be had by all.
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Thanks Budda! :thumbsup:
Buddah is right about the where the efforts are directed
But leaving Fish all over the place makes people look bad and when posted on IS it makes IS look bad I'm sorry but i'mk teaching my little girl to respect the sport we enjoy so much maybe im worng but i can tell you if my 7 yr old saw that she would cry if i keep a fish out of the water for too long she will tell me to put it back.
Maybe you would say im not doing the right thing but respecting Fish and the Sport of fishing is my main goal with her. and like i said before i spent Many yrs of my life fishing the West branch , Roach river ,Kelly pond and many others most every weekend of my childhood and was ALWAYS and i mean ALWAYS weather it was of legal limit or not to CATCH AND RELEASE.
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JinnieDean,I agree with you,they would be 40 inches in a couple of winters,I never though pike was a great eating fish till I tried it,and learned how to get the Y bones out,very good when eaten fresh,mild white meat,I think if more guys tried it,they would think it great,I don't like to kill anything unless I or someone I know will use it,but I guess that just me.
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We did not leave fish guts ALL over the place for people to see. :nono: I will bet if any of us went back out there there would be no mess left other than a few bones. :thumbsup: for all you sportman that do not consume fish I thank you for catch and release. ;D and as I said before for the ones with the girly stomach's I will rate it national geographic post. :icefish: viewer discretion advised.
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Hi five dude. Way to do your part. Those are some very happy eagles.
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Buddah is right about the where the efforts are directed
But leaving Fish all over the place makes people look bad and when posted on IS it makes IS look bad I'm sorry but i'mk teaching my little girl to respect the sport we enjoy so much maybe im worng but i can tell you if my 7 yr old saw that she would cry if i keep a fish out of the water for too long she will tell me to put it back.
Maybe you would say im not doing the right thing but respecting Fish and the Sport of fishing is my main goal with her. and like i said before i spent Many yrs of my life fishing the West branch , Roach river ,Kelly pond and many others most every weekend of my childhood and was ALWAYS and i mean ALWAYS weather it was of legal limit or not to CATCH AND RELEASE.
Both sides of the issue Jay is really just a matter of perspective. I've taught my kids that not rewarding the behavior of the illegal stocking activity is a BIGGER issue than leaving a pike on the lake. I don't consider myself an uneducated or ignorant man, or a bad parent for that matter, others may disagree which is fine. When a pike comes up through the hole in our group, young and old know where it stays. Every attempt is made to find someone who wants to take it and eat it but no sleep is lost if that doesn't happen. I have no problem if fishing with someone who has a different take on the issue. Mike G. and I are good friends, co-exist fine, and couldn't be any further a part on this pike issue... Heck, I've probably even seen Bee release a pike back in the water, no problem, personal preference.
These kids don't look any worse for wear to me because there are a couple of pike in the picture. 8)
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r106/gamefisher_photos/DCP_2186.jpg)
I'll continue to do with my family just what IFW tells me they want me to do with these fish and not look back. You have the right to do just as you see fit as well. :tipup:
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I don't like to see people leave big piles of pike or any fish on the ice..What a mess!!I seen this guy, I forgot his name but, he left about 10 good size pike in a pile and even the eagles could not eat the whole lot..It attracted alot of darn crows though. If your in a killing mood, just ask someone they might actually eat the fish. Whats that saying, waste not.... :tipup:
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Actually.....I have caught 5 lb Togue, and Brown Trout. So I can compare, and find the pike to be a better fight....especially when you get real big ones.
Also I would like to know if anyone has ever caught a pike with a trout in it's stomach?
Actually the one that was caught last summer on Sebago had a 16" Salmon in it gut.......
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well said buddah and gamefisher
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We did not leave fish guts ALL over the place for people to see. :nono: I will bet if any of us went back out there there would be no mess left other than a few bones. :thumbsup: for all you sportman that do not consume fish I thank you for catch and release. ;D and as I said before for the ones with the girly stomach's I will rate it national geographic post. :icefish: viewer discretion advised.
It has nothing to do with a "girly stomach". If I was going to show you a pic of a deer I just harvested I dont think Id give you one with its innards all over the place. What was the point of the picture with its guts split open? It remeinds me a lot of the ethical stages of a hunter. Ever heard of it? here ya go, a little read for ya. Just seems a little childish for a man to split open an animal and post a pic for the simple fact to show off on the computer. BUT,thats just my opinion. lets call it the ethical stages of a fisherman...what stage are you in?
http://www.outdooralabama.com/hunting/articles/stages.cfm (http://www.outdooralabama.com/hunting/articles/stages.cfm)
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Actually.....I have caught 5 lb Togue, and Brown Trout. So I can compare, and find the pike to be a better fight....especially when you get real big ones.
Size 2 treble's, steel leaders, and 45 lbs ice fishing line doesn't make for much of a fight if you ask me.
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Both sides of the issue Jay is really just a matter of perspective. I've taught my kids that not rewarding the behavior of the illegal stocking activity is a BIGGER issue than leaving a pike on the lake. I don't consider myself an uneducated or ignorant man, or a bad parent for that matter, others may disagree which is fine. When a pike comes up through the hole in our group, young and old know where it stays. Every attempt is made to find someone who wants to take it and eat it but no sleep is lost if that doesn't happen. I have no problem if fishing with someone who has a different take on the issue. Mike G. and I are good friends, co-exist fine, and couldn't be any further a part on this pike issue... Heck, I've probably even seen Bee release a pike back in the water, no problem, personal preference.
These kids don't look any worse for wear to me because there are a couple of pike in the picture. 8)
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r106/gamefisher_photos/DCP_2186.jpg)
I'll continue to do with my family just what IFW tells me they want me to do with these fish and not look back. You have the right to do just as you see fit as well. :tipup:
Thanks Gamefisher. Looks as tho you are doing a great task with those kids. :thumbsup: Did you have to say smile for the camera, or did you just say catch more eagle food to get all 4 to smile? ;D ;D ;D
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It has nothing to do with a "girly stomach". If I was going to show you a pic of a deer I just harvested I dont think Id give you one with its innards all over the place. What was the point of the picture with its guts split open? It remeinds me a lot of the ethical stages of a hunter. Ever heard of it? here ya go, a little read for ya. Just seems a little childish for a man to split open an animal and post a pic for the simple fact to show off on the computer. BUT,thats just my opinion. lets call it the ethical stages of a fisherman...what stage are you in?
http://www.outdooralabama.com/hunting/articles/stages.cfm (http://www.outdooralabama.com/hunting/articles/stages.cfm)
The gut shot shows as to how many little pike won't be swimming in that water comes spring. and the best part of a pike is the roe, the rest you, or the wildlife can enjoy. :whistle: :whistle:
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very interesting article.
Nevada/Officials might poison pike in Nevada lake
RGJ.com
Officials might poison pike in Nevada lake, by Jeff Delong
Nearly three years after California biologists poisoned a popular Sierra fishing lake to rid it of Northern pike, Nevada officials are considering doing the same thing at another lake overrun by the voracious predator. And if the Nevada Department of Wildlife succeeds in ridding Comins Lake of pike, the small reservoir south of Ely could once again become a trophy trout fishing destination that once enjoyed worldwide fame.
“The fishing was fabulous. It was probably the best I’ve ever seen,” said Bob Marcum, a long-time fisherman and angler supplier in Ely.
“I literally had fly fisherman coming in from all over the world,” said Marcum, 89.
No more. Pike, a top-line predator, have eaten the trout of Comins Lake. Now they’re eating each other.
“Number-wise, it’s tens of thousands” of pike in the lake, said Chris Crookshanks, a fisheries biologist for the Nevada Department of Wildlife. “They’ve virtually eliminated all the trout and bass.”
Pike and Comins Lake have a long history. In what Crookshanks acknowledges was a “huge mistake” in hindsight, Nevada biologists in 1969 stocked the lake with pike as a means to control populations of Utah chub, considered a nuisance fish, while providing a new opportunity for anglers.
They controlled the chub and more, with Comins Lake becoming a big “cereal bowl” for the aggressive fish, Crookshanks said.
“Pike did what they often do in a small reservoir environment. When they finished with the chub, they ate the trout and bass,” Crookshanks said. “By the mid 1980s, they had totally decimated those fisheries. It was basically just a buffet and a feeding frenzy.”
Pike poisoned in 1989
Recognizing the problem, Nevada biologists in 1989 poisoned Comins Lake with the chemical rotenone to rid it of pike. The lake dried up the next year, allowing officials to confirm all the pike were gone.
Water levels rose during subsequent years and in 1995, NDOW again began stocking the lake with rainbow and brown trout. Trout thrived in a lake rich with the invertebrates they need for food and in no time, Comins was full of “huge, huge trout,” Crookshanks said.
“It quickly became a phenomenal trout fishery. It was a trophy class, blue-ribbon trout fishery,” he said.
But then someone replanted pike in the lake around 1999, probably bringing them from Bassett Lake, a lake about 20 miles north of Ely where pike are also found.
Knowing it would be “game over” for the Comins Lake trout fishery if pike became firmly reestablished, biologists tried to control their population through efforts such as electroshocking.
“Our efforts were futile,” with strong spawns of pike documented in the lake in the early 2000s and a corresponding crash of the trout population experienced, Crookshanks said. As recently as 2006, trout were about 80 percent of the fish in Comins Lake. In 2008, they represented less than 10 percent.
“Once the pike became established it only took a few years to virtually eliminate trout,” Crookshanks said. “They are virtually gone today.”
With much of their food supply gone, the pike of Comins Lake are in a vulnerable position. That makes now the ideal time to again attempt eradication of pike by poisoning the lake as well as nearby Bassett Lake.
“It’s the only feasible solution to get rid of pike, to eradicate and start over,” Crookshanks said.
While Nevada’s budget problem makes the proposal uncertain, biologists are proposing a $173,000 effort to try once again to remove pike from the area, hopefully this time for good.
Lake Davis experience
The situation is similar, if less controversial, to years of efforts to get rid of the pike first discovered in 1994 in Lake Davis near Portola, Calif. Pike decimated the lake of trout and led to fears they would escape downstream, potentially invading the Sacramento-San Joaquin delta and threatening multimillion-dollar salmon and steelhead fisheries.
In 1997, the California Department of Fish and Game poisoned the lake with rotenone in a highly controversial move that led to candlelight vigils by protesters, opponents chaining themselves to buoys and gun-bearing police swarming the streets of Portola.
Pike reappeared in Lake Davis in 1999, either because they were replanted there by someone or because the first eradication effort failed to kill all the fish.
After a public outreach campaign, California Fish and Game poisoned Lake Davis again in 2007 in a $16 million effort described at the time by one official as “probably the biggest operation in fish-and-game history.”
Surveys conducted last October indicate the effort succeeded, with no pike found.
“It’s clean,” Joseph Johnson, a senior environmental scientist with the state, said of Lake Davis.
Some anglers like pike
Not everyone wants the pike in Comins Lake to go, Marcum said. To some, they remain a popular fighting fish that provide an angling challenge.
“There’s a number of locals here who love to catch pike. They have no qualms about it,” Marcum said. “And they are completely against removing them.”
That raises the issue that if Nevada does spend the money to eradicate pike, the danger could persist that someone could introduce them again.
To help discourage such activity, NDOW is pursing a new law that would make introduction of “injurious aquatic wildlife,” including pike and piranha, a felony with civil penalties of up to $250,000.
“For personal reasons, someone wanted pike in there,” Rob Buonamici, Nevada’s chief game warden, said of the last time pike were introduced into Comins Lake.
That practice can’t continue, Buonamici said. Fines assessed against any violators could help finance any costly eradication efforts stemming from their crime.
“Why should honest sportsmen foot the bill when someone breaks the law, he asked.
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Natureboy...why don't you stick to the NH board? It may be less offensive to you!! :o
Nice job Nightrider...kill 'em all!!!
Wow, I think there is a huge group of great people on the maine board as well as NH. Funny thing is that your probably one of the first people to complain when you lose rights to a fishing spot or a lake.An Im not offended,I simply asked what the point of it was....
and I got an answer. whether I agree with it or not everybody is entitled to an opinion..thanks for the suggestion duck,cant believe I didnt think of that. Might take that advise too :bow: :bow: :bow:
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Natureboy...why don't you stick to the NH board? It may be less offensive to you!! :o
Nice job Nightrider...kill 'em all!!!
You guys are the first to complain about other states comeing to our threads but ive seen several post from Mainers on theres and they dont tell us to stick to our own site.I bet if you wanted to fish NH you would put a post on theres.
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I lurk everywhere! >:D
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Mike G. and I are good friends, co-exist fine, and couldn't be any further a part on this pike issue...
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If I had to "co-exist" with a fellow fishermen, I'm glad it's you. Aces in my book!
This whole species thing bores me to death. The only thing I kill are yellow perch (yummy!) because they are all I know how to catch. :whistle:
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, the Belgrade lakes show us that. Trophy Browns and Trophy Pike in the same lake.
The sad thing is it used to be trophy Salmon and Brook trout. Back when there would be 200 vehicles parked at castle Island up and down the side of the road. Now it's dead in the spring/summer, the camps haven't been full for years. The landing hardly gets used. People don't flock here to pike fish. It's a fantasy. Salmon brought way more money to Belgrade than pike ever will. So sad. They can't even get enough people for the pike derby for crying out loud. Thats why the Lions club dropped it.
One other thing, YOU CAN put a dent in the population, don't let the left fool you in thinking you can't. Proof is in long pond. |The first year they opened it to ice fishing, everyone was flopping pike on the ice. Now a few years later the pike fishing has slowed drammaticlly. The bio. are very happy with the results. Thats why after the trial period they have left it open. 8)
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i guess the 200 plus people parked and fishing had nothing to do with that keeping limit after limit 8)
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mmm, everytime i fish castle island the camps are full and the landing always has at least a handful of trucks with boat trailers there.....
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The sad thing is it used to be trophy Salmon and Brook trout. Back when there would be 200 vehicles parked at castle Island up and down the side of the road. Now it's dead in the spring/summer, the camps haven't been full for years. The landing hardly gets used. People don't flock here to pike fish. It's a fantasy. Salmon brought way more money to Belgrade than pike ever will. So sad. They can't even get enough people for the pike derby for crying out loud. Thats why the Lions club dropped it.
One other thing, YOU CAN put a dent in the population, don't let the left fool you in thinking you can't. Proof is in long pond. |The first year they opened it to ice fishing, everyone was flopping pike on the ice. Now a few years later the pike fishing has slowed drammaticlly. The bio. are very happy with the results. Thats why after the trial period they have left it open. 8)
Great post Rude!! Generally I've found you pretty costic, but not this one - Well done!!
Brian
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In the early 90's long pond went from a two fish, 14 inch limit on salmon to a one fish 16 inch limit to try and salvage some sort of salmon fishing and after 15 - 20 years it didn't help, it has continued to decline to next to nothing. So the argument that people keeping there limit ruined it holds no water in my book. I know the owners of castle Island and the former owner on a personnel and professional level, I have sold them bait for 20 years and worked on the camps, A full camp to the owner is NO VAC. It Hasn't been full for a few years. Keepah hit it right on the head though, a handful of pike and bass fisherman in the summer, big deal. Spring time used to be awesome out there. Talk to the local business about what used to be. Ask Kerry or Mark at days store if they like it better now. Maybe if they put coho's or rainbows in long they could get something going again. Like I've said before, It's hard to appreciate something you have never experienced. Not trying to be rude but the fishing I speak of was when a lot of you were still having someone wipe you butt. 8)
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Rude there is more to the story at Long. I fish there quite a bit still, I still catch salmon and some browns. The problem is the salmon are all skinny racers. The browns are quite healthy but to few and far between. The lake is full of alewives. There are few if any smelts. I think the alewives have more to do the salmon stinking than any other reason. The bass are fat, fat, fat...
As to the camp owners, they have resisted attempts to stock rainbows and browns. Fish that would do well on alewives. They are stuck on the image of 30 years ago of Long being a salmon water. Remember, salmon are a stocked fish and long is a made up fishery. They insist on salmon and fight against changing things up. Imagine what we could have if we put in browns? The ones that drop down from Great do very well. Rainbows? In 6 years we would see many fish over 7 pounds each year.
They want to fill up the camps again they have to adjust to the facts on the ground. Without smelts salmon will not do well.
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Right on JimP
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First off let me say I don't think anyone that kills the pike are neccesarilly "bad people". I consider PikeHater a pretty good friend and a damn good fisherman, but we also could not be seperated further on this issue. I would say if you want to kill the pike, go ahead. I completely disagree with Rude about denting the population. I view it a lot like the controversy in the coyote population. If the population is down I believe the females will have bigger litters that spring, no different in the pike population and therefor I believe they are here to stay.
As for everyone agreeing with what buddah said about the IFW telling people to kill pike. BS, the IFW tells has told us to do many things over the years that we all complain about on here as being ludacris, but we are going to just take this one and say "they told us to do it, so we should." That's ridiculous. Where buddah is right is in the fact that we should be talking to the IFW about protecting the pike population.
Also Rude stated the Pike don't bring nearly as much economical boost as the salmon used too. Have you driven by sabbattus this year?!? There are pike baits every 5 miles heading in there and I would garuntee the lake gets more action now than it did a few years ago. A LOT more action.
As for the guy that says simple mathematics would say that taking pike out does help the trout/salmon population. Again BS, I am a math major, and now a math teacher. The rule of simple mathematics does not hold any water here. If there are four of us and you take away one........the three of us will just have more to eat. I am pretty sure the Pike aren't watching their intake to keep their weight down.
What pictures get the most views on IceShanty in New England??? Big Pike Pictures, I understand trout/salmon are the historical fishery in this state and I completely disagree with bucket biologist. But......Pike are the future and maybe it's time some of you traditionalist realize this and embrace it.
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The problem is, there is a fine line (both in theory and in practice) between promoting a pike fishery and encouraging other pike fisheries to start showing up...I can't stand when people love catching a species and transport them to a place where they don't belong. So encouraging pike fishing could increase the spread of pike by bucket biologists to other waters.
I don't like to see fish killed as much as anybody else, but I have taken part of fish removals (by electrofishing) and know that removal of a top predator can be effective on a large scale. I'm not saying fishermen can improve the salmon fishery by killing pike...it is highly unlikely that the salmon fishery would ever come back to what it was just by fishing control alone. It may come back a little, but would probably be sub-par in terms of fishery quality. Therefore, if the pike cannot be taken out, I would say manage that lake for pike if they would do well. Trophy pike do bring people, and money. It is a change from the old ways, and not necessarily for the better, but wouldn't it be better to have a good pike fishery than a poor fishery for both pike and salmon? The damage has been done...we have to live with it. A fishery with an added species is a different fishery than it was before that introduction, and should be managed differently to maximize benefits. Improve education so that pike are not being transported around, and increase penalties/fines for live pike being transported. Basically, keep your salmon fisheries salmon fisheries, and manage fisheries with invasives for what they are.
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To each is own on this topic!!!
But I would recomend this solution!! If you live within 20-30 miles of the GRAY ANIMAL FARM take all the fish you don't want and give them to GRAY ANIMAL FARM , or to your reginal Biologist With our State in such a BUDGETT CRISSIS the people and animals would sure love the free food. consider it the GOOD SHEPARD FOOD BANK FOR ANIMALS!!!!!!! Thats where the Biologist take any fish not wanted at the SEBAGO DERBY. I think both sides could agree on this solution. The issue is waste and not being used!!!! This would solve both sides concerns. Plus the Bears,Fox,Coyote,Skunk,Racoons,Fishercats,and Eagles would thank you,YUM YUM
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I view it a lot like the controversy in the coyote population. If the population is down I believe the females will have bigger litters that spring, no different in the pike population and therefor I believe they are here to stay.
What controversy, its a fact. That doesn't stop me from whacking them.
Also Rude stated the Pike don't bring nearly as much economical boost as the salmon used too. Have you driven by sabbattus this year?!? There are pike baits every 5 miles heading in there and I would garuntee the lake gets more action now than it did a few years ago. A LOT more action.
ever see Sebago at ice out. lots of people come, actually, used to come to catch fish that were not available for them in their state / country like salmon and brookies. Warmwater fish are everywhere, why would they leave their state / country to catch a fish they already have available to them.
As for the guy that says simple mathematics would say that taking pike out does help the trout/salmon population. Again BS, I am a math major, and now a math teacher. The rule of simple mathematics does not hold any water here. If there are four of us and you take away one........the three of us will just have more to eat. I am pretty sure the Pike aren't watching their intake to keep their weight down.
I agree, it is much more complicated than that.
What pictures get the most views on IceShanty in New England??? Big Pike Pictures, I understand trout/salmon are the historical fishery in this state and I completely disagree with bucket biologist. But......Pike are the future and maybe it's time some of you traditionalist realize this and embrace it.
thanks for your opinion, lets get the state to change its fish to the most popular one. :roflmao:
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The problem is, there is a fine line (both in theory and in practice) between promoting a pike fishery and encouraging other pike fisheries to start showing up...I can't stand when people love catching a species and transport them to a place where they don't belong. So encouraging pike fishing could increase the spread of pike by bucket biologists to other waters
Overall I agree with your outlook TheOutdoorsman. I think it is reasonable and pretty well thought out. I would like to add that if you are going to go down that logic road of the part I quoted, isn't it as likely possible that people would be just as apt to move pike into trout and salmon waters as a retaliation against pike hating crusaders? Or to create a new trophy spot after their old haunts get filled with hammer handles.
Pictures like the ones posted, and the endless threads of us against them help to foster and fuel what has turned into a pike/trout war. I for one think it is not worth the risk to our fisheries. It puts fisherman against each other and divided we all will lose. The pike lovers are just as determined as the pike haters. The damage is done, give them a place to fish and stay away if you don't fish for pike.
The picture with the eggs illustrates why killing them doesn't work and why they out compete other species. Mother nature has made them a top dog. Look at the quantity of eggs, compare it to that of a trout or salmon and that tells you all you need to know.
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can't believe this thread attracts so much attention, its another post gone wild
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can't believe this thread attracts so much attention, its another post gone wild
Yeh!! Crazy isn't it? I would never have thought that some dead fish would attract so many replies. I will be heading to the same location this weekend, weather permitting to fish for brookies and browns again. If the invasive fish are stealing my bait again do any pike lovers want them? I'm sure the Eagles are a little heavy right now???
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Not to gross anybody out, the eggs that you see make a great plate. You mix them with corn meal and fry in butter till crunchy and MMMMM good. that is good with any fish egg not just pike. and the gutting is very educational to any youngster who happens upon it.
Not to rain on your parade but if you are not eating the pike because the water is polluted the eggs would be as polluted as the meat of the fish. If you are willing to eat the eggs give the rest a try. You will be pleasantly surprised
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that's actually not true.....most toxins/heavy metals will settle in muscle tissue (meat)
the eggs may have some of the same pollutants, but the concentrations will be highest in the flesh, based on all i have read
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I have always understood the toxins accumulate in the fatty deposits, the brain and organs of the fish. Mercury accumulates in the mussel.
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This post more than any other I have seen on this topic has atleast spurred some pretty good rational solutions. I am a Pike Lover clearly....but I would NEVER introduce a fish to a water it isn't native to. I just hate the waste, and if you are going to participate in this discrimination of pike atleast don't post the pictures of the guts all over iceshanty. It gives us all a bad name.
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This post more than any other I have seen on this topic has atleast spurred some pretty good rational solutions. I am a Pike Lover clearly....but I would NEVER introduce a fish to a water it isn't native to. I just hate the waste, and if you are going to participate in this discrimination of pike atleast don't post the pictures of the guts all over iceshanty. It gives us all a bad name.
Stop whining! :'( It is only one pic of guts, and it is not all over iceshanty just one post that you can ignore. thanks for the eye opener!! ;)
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This post more than any other I have seen on this topic has atleast spurred some pretty good rational solutions. I am a Pike Lover clearly....but I would NEVER introduce a fish to a water it isn't native to. I just hate the waste, and if you are going to participate in this discrimination of pike atleast don't post the pictures of the guts all over iceshanty. It gives us all a bad name.
And it's not wasted, our beloved eagles are getting the sustenance they need in the winter. No different then bringing them to the Gray Animal Park.
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that's actually not true.....most toxins/heavy metals will settle in muscle tissue (meat)
the eggs may have some of the same pollutants, but the concentrations will be highest in the flesh, based on all i have read
OK I worded it wrong. The eggs are not as polluted but contain the same pollutants.
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If the pike contains toxins and mercury aern't you poisioning the eagles? The eagles will do fine on their own. I came accross a coyote killed deer this weekend it had 8-10 bald eagles on it.
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JimP, its probably more along the line of GREED and IGNORANCE than revenge or spite. But then again its just speculation.
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Stop whining! :'( It is only one pic of guts, and it is not all over iceshanty just one post that you can ignore. thanks for the eye opener!! ;)
Really??? Pretty sure there were more than one picture posted yesterday alone! Maybe you should pay attention before you open your mouth. And my point isn't about me viewing the pictures, it is about the fools that are just looking for a reason to stop hunting and fishing alltogether.
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way to go sportsman!!!!!!!!!!! kill every one u can get ur hands on!!!!!!!!!!!! love it.... keep the pics coming
doesnt look like you killed quite enough of them. keep em coming
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that little bit of guts isnt bad gee heck the biologist do it on the ice when they check your fish! free cleaning!! lol ya want guts heck here are guts!
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/Mainehazmt/cliffgutting.jpg)
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JimP, its probably more along the line of GREED and IGNORANCE than revenge or spite. But then again its just speculation.
It is all speculation... I agree with you that greed and ignorance play a key role.
Stop whining! Cry It is only one pic of guts, and it is not all over iceshanty just one post that you can ignore. thanks for the eye opener!!
It is not one picture or one post, there have been dozens. Yours is just the latest in a long line of flaming stupid posts. The point is you are not doing sportsman any favors. In fact I think posts and threads like yours really hurt the cause and in a big way.
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If the invasive fish are stealing my bait again do any pike lovers want them? I'm sure the Eagles are a little heavy right now???
It is not about being so called Pike lovers. I do not think pike should even be in Maine period. They are not native here. But you should at least use the fish if your going to kill it. If not at least take them off of the ice to a less visible spot.
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Another thing, stop using Eagles as an excuse for poor behavior. They do NOT need you to feed them, they are a majestic bird that can fend for themselves. Probably doing more harm than good leaving food for them. First step in domestication of a species is to start feeding it. Cripes the ones on Sabattus act more like seagulls than eagles. Ought to be a law against it.
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It is not about being so called Pike lovers. I do not think pike should even be in Maine period. They are not native here. But you should at least use the fish if your going to kill it. If not at least take them off of the ice to a less visible spot.
but people leave perch out all of the time and nobody gets there panties in a bunch. quit the whining, pike suck, and to make others happy, keep the massacred pike pics out although i dont mind
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:thumbsup: great pic Mainehazmat, but please, please clean up your mess before someone see's it or the animals get to it. :cookoo: :cookoo: :roflmao:
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believe it or not we did haul most of it away
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that little bit of guts isnt bad gee heck the biologist do it on the ice when they check your fish! free cleaning!! lol ya want guts heck here are guts!
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/Mainehazmt/cliffgutting.jpg)
Oh I can't believe all you took from that moose was the guts and left the rest to the wildlife, wait until the anti's get word of this. LOL Pike SUCK!
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Pictures like the ones posted, and the endless threads of us against them help to foster and fuel what has turned into a pike/trout war. I for one think it is not worth the risk to our fisheries. It puts fisherman against each other and divided we all will lose. The pike lovers are just as determined as the pike haters. The damage is done, give them a place to fish and stay away if you don't fish for pike.
Very true. Sportsmen are a divided group, and with the increasing funds and support to groups such as PETA and the HSUS, we are our own worst enemy if we quarrel about everything.
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Friday, April 03, 2009
Feeding the Eagles!
From an email.... click on the pictures to see them bigger!
In January the weather was so cold that the bald eagles were cruising over our houses looking for hapless cats to make a quick meal. Some kind souls decided to feed the eagles down at Goose Spit so they would survive the cold spell. Here's what happened!
A former teaching colleague took these photos in front of his home. They are incredible!
What a sight to see...
Feeding the Eagles!Comox, B.C., Vancouver Island , Jan. 2009
A beautiful morning feeding the eagles. Jan.2009
Feeding the Eagles Jan.2009
sorry here is the link. othersiderainbow.blogs pot.com/2009/04/feeding-eagles
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here ya go lol
""As long as you consider animal rights breaches a trivial offence we don't get anywhere," he says, noting that in many cases pet owners get away with a fine.
The debate took on a new dimension two weeks ago when prosecutors in the canton of Zurich accused an angler of having tortured a large pike, because the battle between man and beast took about 10 minutes. "
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2010/02/18/12929451-ap.html (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2010/02/18/12929451-ap.html)
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You guys are ridiculous all of a sudden the guys that like pike are animal rights activist or something give me a break i think trout fishing sucks so i don't do it.Go to Ur trout waters and catch trout and if you get a pike there leave it or take it but most of you guys go to sabattus were there arnt any trout and think Ur doing such a good deed by talking the fishing i love or try away to me and my family.Ive seen white perch on the ice bass and everything ellse in that lake.So why are you fishing it if ur going to just leave them there?
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You guys are ridiculous all of a sudden the guys that like pike are animal rights activist or something give me a break i think trout fishing sucks so i don't do it.Go to Ur trout waters and catch trout and if you get a pike there leave it or take it but most of you guys go to sabattus were there arnt any trout and think Ur doing such a good deed by talking the fishing i love or try away to me and my family.Ive seen white perch on the ice bass and everything ellse in that lake.So why are you fishing it if ur going to just leave them there?
Never fished sabattus lake or never intend to, so your pike there are safe from my knife. :P
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Never fished sabattus lake or never intend to, so your pike there are safe from my knife. :P
I put allmost all my fish back just becouse i dont no what will be around when my son is older.It just very discureging to see anything on the ice he doesnt mind chaseing flags even if there just yellows.Its good time with the family without them getting bored.I had a freind bring his nefews to sabattus and they cought the biggest fish they have ever cought.The look on there face was priceless and thats what it should be all about.I teach my kids to eat what they kill.Yote hunting i understand i use to do it but i think thats allitle different i think i could be wrong.
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You guys are ridiculous all of a sudden the guys that like pike are animal rights activist or something give me a break i think trout fishing sucks so i don't do it.Go to Ur trout waters and catch trout and if you get a pike there leave it or take it but most of you guys go to sabattus were there arnt any trout and think Ur doing such a good deed by talking the fishing i love or try away to me and my family.Ive seen white perch on the ice bass and everything ellse in that lake.So why are you fishing it if ur going to just leave them there?
because most of them are sort of mindless when it comes to that stuff, as for me i was taught to eat what i catch or release it, regardless of the species and my 6 kids will and are being taught the same thing by me.
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im suprised eagles even eat trout ;D ;D
i dont know about the eagles in maine but i do know a eagle is one of the best hunters in the world
dont see why you would have to feed them anything, if a lake is over ran with something you call invasive
why not try another lake that just has the species your after...if this is what biologists are suggesting to do
ok but why make it seem like your so into killing these fish???...i know i waste alot of fishing time here on this site but when im fishing atleast im not wasteing my time then with species i dont care for
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http://www.kennebecriveroutfitters.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3790 (http://www.kennebecriveroutfitters.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3790)
So, is anyone other than me offended by the increasing sportsman welfare going on in ME?
I hate it as it is directed toward the most consumptive (fish killing...), dangerous (live bait using..), and selfish (they want EVERYTHING their way - including **** they don't even use...) sportsmen out there..
These guys get so much yet are willing to concede so little.. Worse is that while they demand we pay for the **** they kill, they deny us ANY piece of the pie.. They even go as far as to protest changes that would effect resources that they do not even use..
How many of the nitwits actually fish the Kennebec, Andro, Magalloway or other rivers? How many of the nitwits actually fish small FFO trout ponds? How many actually fish more than casually?
Rational sportsmen should be outraged that they are getting so little and paying for so much of what those denying them their fair share of the pie are consuming....
This put-and-take fall-yearling ice fishing stocking program is unbelievably wasteful.. We pay for it by not killing our share of teh stocked fish.. It would NOT work without us.. Yet the nitwits refuse to concede ANYTHING to us..
Another small example of what some of our fellow sportsman think of icefishing in general.
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I was just wondering. Do we need to leave all knives, guns, and brass knuckles at the door when arriving to this year's Ice Shanty Banquet in April? :roflmao: :roflmao:
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I edited my post Joe. Sorry. I got you mixed up with Flag. It was him I sent the apology to. I still think calling me names is below you. I still think feeding eagles is stupid. Weather we need a law or not is debatable, I would think common sense would be enough.
There all mad when you get on here because you make sense all the way around on this topic.If its not there way its no way there isn't one thread on here bashing trout or that we call them junk fish that Ive seen.If there is its because of quoiting them bashing pike and bass.Like Ive said if you dont want to fish for them don't target them 8)
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I was just wondering. Do we need to leave all knives, guns, and brass knuckles at the door when arriving to this year's Ice Shanty Banquet in April? :roflmao: :roflmao:
Real Mainers dont need weapons ;D
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Real Mainers dont need weapons ;D
You're right, Terry. The real tough ones just use their keyboard. :D
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I edited my post Joe. Sorry. I got you mixed up with Flag. It was him I sent the apology to. I still think calling me names is below you. I still think feeding eagles is stupid. Weather we need a law or not is debatable, I would think common sense would be enough.
So Jim....do you think feeding deer, ducks and birds is OKAY ???
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So Jim....do you think feeding deer, ducks and birds is OKAY ???
I think its against the law to feed the deer so yes im not jim tho ;) and as for the ducks what a mess they make ;D
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I think its against the law to feed the deer so yes im not jim tho ;) and as for the ducks what a mess they make ;D
You must not hunt Terry....cause feeding deer is NOT illegal....you can not bait deer while hunting!!
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I think its against the law to feed the deer so yes im not jim tho ;) and as for the ducks what a mess they make ;D
Terry,its only illigal during deer season. As far as your coyote statement, its different, How so?
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So Jim....do you think feeding deer, ducks and birds is OKAY
I don't do any of that. I would be in favor of habitat improvement and stuff like that. Which I guess is sorta like feeding them indirectly. My comment was more directed at using feeding the Eagle's as an accepted excuse for fish plunder. It isn't like I am going to go out and try and get a law enacted, it was just a toss away comment of my opinion. Take it for what its worth. No more or less than any other opinion. Cripes sakes though, guys getting all po'ed about a comment on a forum, holding grudges is ridiculous but predictable. I've seen it on lots of different forums.
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I teach my kids to eat what they kill.Yote hunting i understand i use to do it but i think thats allitle different i think i could be wrong.
Do you mean to say that coyote hunting is okay because you are killing a predator ??? I don't kill pike in Sabbattuss, but I sure will in another lake where it is a predator towards a trout or salmon!!!
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I'm not mad. You mad? :whistle: You guy's are too much! Every post ends the same way. Wan a Fight???
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I don't do any of that. I would be in favor of habitat improvement and stuff like that. Which I guess is sorta like feeding them indirectly. My comment was more directed at using feeding the Eagle's as an accepted excuse for fish plunder. It isn't like I am going to go out and try and get a law enacted, it was just a toss away comment of my opinion. Take it for what its worth. No more or less than any other opinion. Cripes sakes though, guys getting all po'ed about a comment on a forum, holding grudges is ridiculous but predictable. I've seen it on lots of different forums.
I don't take any of this personally. We all have our views of the matter and no matter what, not everyone is going to agree!!! I enjoy watching eagles swoop down and feed on the perch I leave for them and since I have been leaving perch on the Chickie, I have noticed more Eagles and bigger perch....when I first moved there you could never catch a perch over 8 inches, now we are catching them 10-12 inches....
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Sorry MD its recomended you dont feed the deer like its recomended you dont drive on sebago this time of year 8)
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That's it........I am throwing every salmon/trout I ever catch again on the ice. I hear the eagles are hungry. :cookoo: :cookoo:
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Sorry MD its recomended you dont feed the deer like its recomended you dont drive on sebago this time of year 8)
Good Point!! ;D
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Maybe if you guys are really lucky I will gut them and post the pics on here too. :cookoo: :cookoo:
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Disgusting.....makes me want to puke....you people that kill every pike you catch just for the fun of it because it is an "invasive species" are the reason sportsmen get a bad name....and don't give me the "he's doing his duty" crap....that just shows how unintelligent you really are. Do you want to kill all the turkey's off too?!? The pike are here to stay and I love it!!!!!! Death to all the trout. I have never caught any trout that put up a fight even close to that of a small 5 lb pike. That's right trout fisherman.....small is 5 lbs in pike land. You should try it.
If I post the same pictures but with trout in it how will I be recieved?
I find it funny that you think him killing 4 pike will have any effect on the population whatsoever...
also...if you can find a pic where you Iced 4 trout...put em up...and ill say CONGRATS!
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I find it funny that you think him killing 4 pike will have any effect on the population whatsoever...
also...if you can find a pic where you Iced 4 trout...put em up...and ill say CONGRATS!
I would say congrats to the guys that only kept what they ate instread of everthing and let it sit in there freezer untill it got freezer burn.There are allot of guys on here that release allmost all there fish meaning trout like budda i dont think ive ever seen him post a pic of a sebago salmon he kept and if he did there was something wrong with it.
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I find it funny that you think him killing 4 pike will have any effect on the population whatsoever...
also...if you can find a pic where you Iced 4 trout...put em up...and ill say CONGRATS!
I don't think killing pike will have ANY effect on the population....as I have stated numerous times on this post.....So THANK YOU for helping to prove my point that killing the pike is a mindless event that will have no effect on the future. Icing trout is not a problem for me, and frankly I don't care if you believe me or not corso. I choose not to fish for trout as I do not eat fish and find catching those little guys to not be very exciting.
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That's it........I am throwing every salmon/trout I ever catch again on the ice. I hear the eagles are hungry. :cookoo: :cookoo:
Thanks for helping nice neighbor. The Biologist and Wardens feed the Eagles down on the eastern river with road kill deer. why would that be??? ??? ???
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I don't think killing pike will have ANY effect on the population....as I have stated numerous times on this post.....So THANK YOU for helping to prove my point that killing the pike is a mindless event that will have no effect on the future. Icing trout is not a problem for me, and frankly I don't care if you believe me or not corso. I choose not to fish for trout as I do not eat fish and find catching those little guys to not be very exciting.
No need to thank me...I dont eat fish either...but I also dont see the problem w/killing them
Tell me this wood...If you had a trout pond that youve put BIG money in to...would you ever release pike into it?
some bucket bioligists did just that to many waters of the state(our ponds)...perhaps thats why the kill mentality
do I blame them?...NOT AT ALL!!!
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I'm a little confused (NIGHTRIDER) if you are a Salmon/trout lover why would you waist a day and fish for a so called junk fish? shouldn't you be out fishing for trout/salmon.Unless you really like the fight of a pike.And don't give me the only reason is that you are doing a public service by killing all the pike you can.If you hate them so much why would you waste your time & money?why give up a day of so called real fishing??
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSET PIKE LOVER, LIKE ALOT OF PEOPLE ON HERE THAT FISH FOR THEM BUT SAY THEY WANT THEM ALL DEAD?..if you hate them why fish for them?
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I'm a little confused (NIGHTRIDER) if you are a Salmon/trout lover why would you waist a day and fish for a so called junk fish? shouldn't you be out fishing for trout/salmon.Unless you really like the fight of a pike.And don't give me the only reason is that you are doing a public service by killing all the pike you can.If you hate them so much why would you waste your time & money?why give up a day of so called real fishing??
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSET PIKE LOVER, LIKE ALOT OF PEOPLE ON HERE THAT FISH FOR THEM BUT SAY THEY WANT THEM ALL DEAD?..if you hate them why fish for them?
He was targeting trout and salmon........but he is such an impressive fisherman that he targets these "game species" in a spot where he catches mostly gators. Very Impressive ::)
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I'm a little confused (NIGHTRIDER) if you are a Salmon/trout lover why would you waist a day and fish for a so called junk fish? shouldn't you be out fishing for trout/salmon.Unless you really like the fight of a pike.And don't give me the only reason is that you are doing a public service by killing all the pike you can.If you hate them so much why would you waste your time & money?why give up a day of so called real fishing??
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSET PIKE LOVER, LIKE ALOT OF PEOPLE ON HERE THAT FISH FOR THEM BUT SAY THEY WANT THEM ALL DEAD?..if you hate them why fish for them?
I was fishing for brookies and the pike were slaying my smelts, p**ssing me off, I was also fishing for browns a little deeper. no pike on those lines. come-on this is cobbossee lake for cri*st sake. You won't find to many property owners on this lake that are excited about the pike here. it is, or was a great place to fish for bass, brookies ,browns,etc.
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You guys are ridiculous all of a sudden the guys that like pike are animal rights activist or something give me a break i think trout fishing sucks so i don't do it.Go to Ur trout waters and catch trout and if you get a pike there leave it or take it but most of you guys go to sabattus were there arnt any trout and think Ur doing such a good deed by talking the fishing i love or try away to me and my family.Ive seen white perch on the ice bass and everything ellse in that lake.So why are you fishing it if ur going to just leave them there?
If people would quit stocking pike in every GD waters in the state we would leave the F'n things alone.... but you keep praising how awesome they are and every knuckle head that couldn't catch a cold on the ice needs them in the water closest to them..... When will you guy's get it?? I could care less what the hell you fish for just keep them in the same spot......
If I catch a pike while trout fishing I will kill it and feed the Eagles, coyotes or what ever the hell wants to eat it.... And I will post pictures on here as well....
good thing they are in sabattuss huh Livinbass, your bait shop might not do so well if not for them??
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Another small example of what some of our fellow sportsman think of icefishing in general.
Bob Mallard is the last person I would consider my fellow sportsman and I don't give a rat's ass what he thinks.
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Waste Of Game. A person may not waste a wild bird or wild animal that has been wounded or killed while hunting. For purposes of this section “waste” means to intentionally leave a wounded or killed animal in the field or forest without making a reasonable effort to retrieve and render it for consumption or use.
retrieve and render it for consumption or use.
retrieve and render it for consumption or use.
retrieve and render it for consumption or use.
Theodore Roosevelt led the charge in pushing for a legislation to control hunting. In an address to the congress in Dec 1907 he said “To waste, to destroy our natural resources, to skin and exhaust the land instead of using it so as to increase its usefulness, will result in undermining in the days of our children the very prosperity which we ought by right to hand down to them amplified and developed.”
I would say both above quotes which specifically apply to hunting also apply to fishing. Fishing is a form of hunting...it is a blood sport.
Gentleman...please remember. The root of all opposition (both overt and passive) to hunting and fishing is that WE DO KILL ANIMALS.
It's how it looks from the outside to outsiders that counts.
I understand that IFAW has recommended that we kill pike in certain waters...So if you kill them, I think you should make a concerted effort to be an ethical sportsman and eat them. And if you don't want to do that give them to someone who could and would want to.
Leaving dead fish of any species, even the perch i commonly see on the ice, makes us look bad...It's such a waste....and it only provides more ammo to those who oppose what we do.
If I don't like seeing dead perch or pike on the ice or dead bass in the bushes at the Rapid, what do non sportspeople think about it?
I don't like seeing wasted game of any kind, fish or fowl or mammal. I don't like seeing dead fish anymore than I like seeing dead coyotes sprawled on the ice and left to rot. Or coming across a gut shot deer in the woods that someone lost.
Don't you think it reasonable that if you take on the responsibility of taking another organisms life like a coyotes you should make an attempt to utilize it...to skin and tan the hide?
Don't you think if you take on the responsibility to take another organisms life like a pike or a perch you should make very effort to harvest it and eat it? or at least give to someone who would enjoy eating it? And I'm not talking about Beavers or eagles or mink....I mean another human being!
Leaving anything to rot is just....I think wrong....not all of these frozen solid fish seem to get picked up by eagles...so the feed the eagle thing? that is a crock...I see frozen solid fishes of any kind on the ice and just shake my head....such a waste...and I realize that a sentient and thinking human being did this?
whatever...your mileage may vary....I think if you kill something you should eat it or use it...make a hat out of it I don't know...but killing for killing's sake...is brutish.
Just mine...
i think the old scholl guys who kill chubs and throw them in the bushes are wrong too....
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We caught and killed some big chubs on the Moosehead trip and smeltslayer made us eat them.They were'nt bad either,cooked over an open fire on a stick.
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If people would quit stocking pike in every GD waters in the state we would leave the F'n things alone.... but you keep praising how awesome they are and every knuckle head that couldn't catch a cold on the ice needs them in the water closest to them..... When will you guy's get it?? I could care less what the hell you fish for just keep them in the same spot......
If I catch a pike while trout fishing I will kill it and feed the Eagles, coyotes or what ever the hell wants to eat it.... And I will post pictures on here as well....
good thing they are in sabattuss huh Livinbass, your bait shop might not do so well if not for them??
AMEN Brotha'!!!!
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We caught and killed some big chubs on the Moosehead trip and smeltslayer made us eat them.They were'nt bad either,cooked over an open fire on a stick.
:P.....I like mine extra smokey!!! :P
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nice fish!!
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If people would quit stocking pike in every GD waters in the state we would leave the F'n things alone.... but you keep praising how awesome they are and every knuckle head that couldn't catch a cold on the ice needs them in the water closest to them..... When will you guy's get it?? I could care less what the hell you fish for just keep them in the same spot......
If I catch a pike while trout fishing I will kill it and feed the Eagles, coyotes or what ever the hell wants to eat it.... And I will post pictures on here as well....
good thing they are in sabattuss huh Livinbass, your bait shop might not do so well if not for them??
Took the words right out of my mouth.
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i would be having a nice fry with those pike.
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We caught and killed some big chubs on the Moosehead trip and smeltslayer made us eat them.They were'nt bad either,cooked over an open fire on a stick.
I suppose if I were hungry I would eat a chub also, or a pike without hesitation. Isn't smeltslayer mean making you eat a chub?
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Another thing, stop using Eagles as an excuse for poor behavior. They do NOT need you to feed them, they are a majestic bird that can fend for themselves. Probably doing more harm than good leaving food for them. First step in domestication of a species is to start feeding it. Cripes the ones on Sabattus act more like seagulls than eagles. Ought to be a law against it.
If you spent less time defending pike on iceshanty you could have spent more time with your representative and put that very law into effect.
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Disgusting.....makes me want to puke....you people that kill every pike you catch just for the fun of it because it is an "invasive species" are the reason sportsmen get a bad name....and don't give me the "he's doing his duty" crap....that just shows how unintelligent you really are. Do you want to kill all the turkey's off too?!? The pike are here to stay and I love it!!!!!! Death to all the trout. I have never caught any trout that put up a fight even close to that of a small 5 lb pike. That's right trout fisherman.....small is 5 lbs in pike land. You should try it.
If I post the same pictures but with trout in it how will I be recieved?
You ought to spend some time away from the stocked lakes with easy access. Take some time to find those areas that really hold trout, you will have a whole new respect for them!
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This is from a website run by a fly shop owner and outspoken fisheries activist. He publishes articles and has been a mover and shaker in Augusta.
Please don't bring 'BobWatch' over to iceshanty. If I wanted to read what Bob and his buddies think, I'll go read it on his forum (or that other site that quotes his every word). ::)
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Bob Mallard is the last person I would consider my fellow sportsman and I don't give a rat's ass what he thinks.
I agree 100%. Just saying what we are up against and why we should stick together.
If you spent less time defending pike on iceshanty you could have spent more time with your representative and put that very law into effect.
Blah Blah Blah... I don't defend pike... I'm not out crusading to change laws. I will respond to insults, falsehoods, posts intended to do nothing but flame a war between pike and trout fisherman and ridiculous comments.
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Blah Blah Blah... I don't defend pike... I'm not out crusading to change laws. I will respond to insults, falsehoods, posts intended to do nothing but flame a war between pike and trout fisherman and ridiculous comments.
Hmmm, seems you do more posting to flare up the fire than anyone else.
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Okay, it's agreed, you all are a$$holes.
Anybody want to go fishing with me tomorrow?
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For Pike?
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Okay, it's agreed, you all are a$$holes.
Anybody want to go fishing with me tomorrow?
What are you thinking Den....Sabattus maybe ??? ::)
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What are you thinking Den....Sabattus maybe ??? ::)
Not sure, someplace where 2 people can walk in opposite directions, 10 paces, turn and fire!!!!! :roflmao: :roflmao:
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Honestly, I have no problem with people who like to fish for pike. I'm sure it would be fun to catch a lunker. I'm just not so sure it's as easy as just welcoming them with open arms. I would think that if Maine's ecosystem were conditioned for them then they (or something equally as impressive) would already be here. I'm not sold that a pike population can even sustain itself here in Maine. I guess we will continue to watch the quality of those lakes with established pike populations and see where it takes us.
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Hmmm, seems you do more posting to flare up the fire than anyone else.
Yeah right, How many threads have I posted with gut piles of fish? How many threads have I started with the intention of riling everyone up. ANSWER: NONE I have done nothing but RESPOND to others that start these stupid pike threads. Be fine with me if there was never another one. Seems pretty clear to me that the pike haters are the ones that have to put a stupid comment or picture in EVERY THREAD where pike is mentioned. My idea would be to leave the pike fisherman alone and let them enjoy their sport without the nastiness from the trout and salmon crowd.
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Yeah right, How many threads have I posted with gut piles of fish? How many threads have I started with the intention of riling everyone up. ANSWER: NONE I have done nothing but RESPOND to others that start these stupid pike threads. Be fine with me if there was never another one. Seems pretty clear to me that the pike haters are the ones that have to put a stupid comment or picture in EVERY THREAD where pike is mentioned.
:roflmao: Jimmy I thought you were done with this thread!! ??? ;)2
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I'm feeling like a brookie today.... Can't help but rise to the bait.... ;D ;D ;D
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The sad thing is Pike when properly boned(youtube has a super video on this) are superior in flavor to any trout, especially those of the Salvelinus Genus, which includes brookies and lakers. Ive had both wild and stocked brookies,browns, and rainbows and I know how to cook them with an incredible variety of methods. Yes wild trout are good, but Pike caught through the ice poached in some lemon,butter,white wine sauce with a fresh herb bouquet puts any trout dish to shame and most salmon as well especially landlocks, which are not even up there with the best tasting salmon. ;D
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The sad thing is Pike when properly boned(youtube has a super video on this) are superior in flavor to any trout, especially those of the Salvelinus Genus, which includes brookies and lakers. Ive had both wild and stocked brookies,browns, and rainbows and I know how to cook them with an incredible variety of methods. Yes wild trout are good, but Pike caught through the ice poached in some lemon,butter,white wine sauce with a fresh herb bouquet puts any trout dish to shame and most salmon as well especially landlocks, which are not even up there with the best tasting salmon. ;D
Sounds like a great dish to bring to the Ice Shanty banquet, Locnar.
And we won't even force you to wear a master chef hat.
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The sad thing is Pike when properly boned(youtube has a super video on this) are superior in flavor to any trout, especially those of the Salvelinus Genus, which includes brookies and lakers. Ive had both wild and stocked brookies,browns, and rainbows and I know how to cook them with an incredible variety of methods. Yes wild trout are good, but Pike caught through the ice poached in some lemon,butter,white wine sauce with a fresh herb bouquet puts any trout dish to shame and most salmon as well especially landlocks, which are not even up there with the best tasting salmon. ;D
If ya need to dress it up with all that crap It isn't worth eating anyway. If ya can't throw it in a frying pan with some salt , pepper and butter and eat it then its not worthy. :roflmao:
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(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u124/T0mmyT316/IMG_0384s.jpg)
;D
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I agree, start simple, but why limit yourself especially when some of the so called fancy methods only take a few more minutes to prepare than the usual pan saute or flour and fry. I live in PA so I dont think ill see any IS ME banquets anytime soon, hopefully the ice holds up for my spring break trip to Messalonskee, I want to show my friend a real Pike&Lobster bake with some PA beers.
Perfect eating size Pike ya got there btw.
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If people would quit stocking pike in every GD waters in the state we would leave the F'n things alone.... but you keep praising how awesome they are and every knuckle head that couldn't catch a cold on the ice needs them in the water closest to them..... When will you guy's get it?? I could care less what the hell you fish for just keep them in the same spot......
If I catch a pike while trout fishing I will kill it and feed the Eagles, coyotes or what ever the hell wants to eat it.... And I will post pictures on here as well....
good thing they are in sabattuss huh Livinbass, your bait shop might not do so well if not for them??
I dont even sell bait anymore ;)I did it for one year and i would rather be fishing then sittin there waiting for a customer.So please get ur facts straight 8)
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(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u124/T0mmyT316/IMG_0384s.jpg)
;D
Is that a pressure ridge, or just another pike ridge that is so common these days?
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(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u124/T0mmyT316/IMG_0384s.jpg)
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WOW !!! Now honestly what did you do with all those fish TommyT ??? ???
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Be very careful Dennis ,your walking on thin ice and along a pressure ridge. You don't want to sink to the bottom on this thread. :cookoo:
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WOW !!! Now honestly what did you do with all those fish TommyT ??? ???
left a few small ones for the eagles, but we split them up and did what we wanted with them. My share went in the compost. Got a new garden planned this summer.
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Is that a pressure ridge, or just another pike ridge that is so common these days?
Thats the ridge everyone talks about Dennis allmost like the big crack ;D
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I dont even sell bait anymore ;)I did it for one year and i would rather be fishing then sittin there waiting for a customer.So please get ur facts straight 8)
But you did so you profitted from them 8)
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But you did so you profitted from them 8)
I did it for one year woopeee and profit ya right hahahaha ur the smatest guy on this site ;)
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Be very careful Dennis ,your walking on thin ice and along a pressure ridge. You don't want to sink to the bottom on this thread. :cookoo:
No need to worry, Jim. I've been to the bottom and back twice on this thread. And there doesn't seem to be any end in sight. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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left a few small ones for the eagles, but we split them up and did what we wanted with them. My share went in the compost. Got a new garden planned this summer.
:thumbsup: :bow: :bow:
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No need to worry, Jim. I've been to the bottom and back twice on this thread. And there doesn't seem to be any end in sight. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
How do ya think I feel, it all started with a good day on the ice sunday with what I thought was a good deed. wow!! was I wrong Ha!!! :nono: :nono: Well You know some of us are just to d**n old and stubborn to change now.
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How do ya think I feel, it all started with a good day on the ice sunday with a I thought, a good deed. wow!! was I wrong Ha!!! :nono: :nono: Well You know some of us are just to d**n old and stubborn to change now.
I don't think it makes you a bad person tho we allways have these threads.I said it at first ice there was a post and its like beating a dead horse no one will give on it.I think if there in ur trout waters you should try to keep them in check no one should loose there fishery
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But you did so you profitted from them 8)
Wait a minnute are you a maine guide?so you profit from the fishery to and you would be very stupid not to from the pike am i wrong?
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I did it for one year woopeee and profit ya right hahahaha ur the smatest guy on this site ;)
This has to be the smartest thing you've said cause , Mark does have ALOT of knowledge! ;)
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This has to be the smartest thing you've said cause , Mark does have ALOT of knowledge! ;)
I should use spell check ;D
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If you catch a pike and let it go wont it kill more fish ? so by killing the pike arent you saving more fish. keep the pike on the topside 8)
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If you catch a pike and let it go wont it kill more fish ? so by killing the pike arent you saving more fish. keep the pike on the topside 8)
AGREED, GREAT POST :)
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The only thing this post is missing is some pics of some dead bass! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z140/tdspoleman/100_1885.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z140/tdspoleman/100_1889.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z140/tdspoleman/100_1887.jpg)
Hope this helps. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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How old are those pictures will :P
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How old are those pictures will :P
From this past June. I can go dig up two years ago pics if you would like to see them. ;D ;D ;D
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Wait a minnute are you a maine guide?so you profit from the fishery to and you would be very stupid not to from the pike am i wrong?
I wouldn't guide anyone for pike...
No challenge....
1/4" Rope, 10/0 hook and some bait...... woopeee
ps at the bottom of your post there are 3 (three) icons, post preview spell check
try hitting the one in red ;)
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How old are those pictures will :P
I dug them up for you. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z140/tdspoleman/100_0931.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z140/tdspoleman/100_0929.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z140/tdspoleman/100_0928.jpg)
These are the pics from 2 years ago.
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The only thing this post is missing is some pics of some dead bass! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z140/tdspoleman/100_1885.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z140/tdspoleman/100_1889.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z140/tdspoleman/100_1887.jpg)
Hope this helps. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Looks like us when we net the alewives.
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Holy **** Will are those Eagle peck marks on the bottom of your boat? ???
Not my boat. One left on shore. We ate the most of these fish - so not much eagle food. These fish are a result of a bucket bio just the same as your pike. I kill every invasive PERIOD!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I wouldn't guide anyone for pike...
No challenge....
1/4" Rope, 10/0 hook and some bait...... woopeee
ps at the bottom of your post there are 3 (three) icons, post preview spell check
try hitting the one in red ;)
You must of missed the post after that i allready said that and as for guiding it doesn't matter weather its easy or hard for the customer that's why the bass guides are busier than you :o
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Not my boat. One left on shore. We ate the most of these fish - so not much eagle food. These fish are a result of a bucket bio just the same as your pike. I kill every invasive PERIOD!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
And a great job at that!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :clap: Craps no gut shot Ha!! :'( :'(
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Hey Nightrider...stop stoking the fire already!!!
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You ought to spend some time away from the stocked lakes with easy access. Take some time to find those areas that really hold trout, you will have a whole new respect for them!
I didn't know the Togue in Sebago were stockies???
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Hey Nightrider...stop stoking the fire already!!!
Come on !! its my thread !! Ha! Ha! :clap: :clap:
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Come on !! its my thread !! Ha! Ha! :clap: :clap:
have you got any crappie outa there yet i no there in there?
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have you got any crappie outa there yet i no there in there?
Yes we have mostly in the spring on the north end.
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Come on !! its my thread !! Ha! Ha! :clap: :clap:
A good damm good thread at that! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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How did I ever miss this thread???? :o So much new info on how we can work together!!!! ::) So much PROGRESS, ;D LL
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A good damm good thread at that! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thanks! I find it to be very informational, and what a way to learn the way others perceive the way we fish and live, and raise our children WOW !!!!
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All I know is my girl knows how to deal with those darn pike as well!!!
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Alot of people around here feel same way bout bass n pickeral..ruining r lakes..trout r gettin rare here ???
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All I know is my girl knows how to deal with those darn pike as well!!!
My kids know how to kill them pike as well. ;D ;D
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All I know is my girl knows how to deal with those darn pike as well!!!
:clap: :clap: :thumbsup:
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Over 3,200 views and 200 replies! It took me 30min to get caught up from last night. Way to go Nightrider!
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Thanks Shybeaver!! We will do it again soon, maybe with another invasive species?? :thumbsup: :icefish:
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Stocked Brookies?? their dumped in via bucket.... ;)
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Stocked Brookies?? their dumped in via bucket.... ;)
Good point, :o :o There flesh probably taste like pellets don't ya think ??? I'm sharpening my knife :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Heh! the fish are gone the Eagles are full and don't tell me this weren't fun :clap: Thanks to all that still can't let it go. :whistle: :whistle: I just realized with this post, I graduated to a Regular from a Rookie, Thanks to all. :thumbsup: :bow: :bow:
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Heh! the fish are gone the Eagles are full and don't tell me this weren't fun :clap: Thanks to all that still can't let it go. :whistle: :whistle: I just realized with this post, I graduated to a Regular from a Rookie, Thanks to all. :thumbsup: :bow: :bow:
Congrats!!!! :thumbsup: :afro:
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You must of missed the post after that i allready said that and as for guiding it doesn't matter weather its easy or hard for the customer that's why the bass guides are busier than you :o
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Have you ever actually guided???
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Over 3,200 views and 200 replies! It took me 30min to get caught up from last night. Way to go Nightrider!
Tell me about it ! :blink: actual number of posts is probably closer to 300...did my best to clean it up but if it gets too nasty again then ol' nightrider is gonna go back to rookie status with one swift swipe of my delete key . like pike , pike debates arent going anywhere soon so lets try to be civil to each other please!
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Tell me about it ! :blink: actual number of posts is probably closer to 300...did my best to clean it up but if it gets too nasty again then ol' nightrider is gonna go back to rookie status with one swift swipe of my delete key . like pike , pike debates arent going anywhere soon so lets try to be civil to each other please!
Speaking of Pike...did you get my PM about the Pike Fest Poll ??? ;D
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Speaking of Pike...did you get my PM about the Pike Fest Poll ??? ;D
Yeah...will ya quit friggin bugging me? ::) hehe im on it! ;D
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Yeah...will ya quit friggin bugging me? ::) hehe im on it! ;D
HA HA Sorry Man.... :-\ 8)
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Tell me about it ! :blink: actual number of posts is probably closer to 300...did my best to clean it up but if it gets too nasty again then ol' nightrider is gonna go back to rookie status with one swift swipe of my delete key . like pike , pike debates arent going anywhere soon so lets try to be civil to each other please!
Well at least we're not the only ones.................. ......
http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=144874.0 (http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=144874.0)
At least guys in the other states agree to listen to their biologists,imagine that.
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Heh! the fish are gone the Eagles are full and don't tell me this weren't fun :clap: Thanks to all that still can't let it go. :whistle: :whistle: I just realized with this post, I graduated to a Regular from a Rookie, Thanks to all. :thumbsup: :bow: :bow:
dont forget the "stirrer" award...which I believe this post alone put you ahead of me :clap:
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even if there was a length/bag limit on pike, i don't believe the guys complainin about them would stop killin them. i think what the bios say is used for an excuse. people like to fish for trout and salmon, people like to fish for pike. big deal....i like to fish for anything. i personally could care less what is posted on here for words or pictures, and i could care less if you guys leave fish on the ice, i do it myself. this pike debate goes no where every year.....but it's when i see people post pictures of a big pike that they are proud of, and wanna show it off, i get sick of the arrogance of the people that just have to chime in and say something to the affect of "you shoulda killed em all". that in my opinion is childish and stupid. we all joined this site for one reason, we LOVE to fish, so like scott has said, can't we keep it civil?
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i agree getting all wound up is kind of silly, but i thought a lot of the 'didja kill it' cracks were kind of a running gag on here
seriously, that's how i take most of 'em, along with 90% of the pike threads.......only about 5% of the guys on either side truly seem gung ho serious, a lot of it to me looks like guys busting balls
that's kind of what guys do.....
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Tell me about it ! :blink: actual number of posts is probably closer to 300...did my best to clean it up but if it gets too nasty again then ol' nightrider is gonna go back to rookie status with one swift swipe of my delete key . like pike , pike debates arent going anywhere soon so lets try to be civil to each other please!
Wow! Can't control what other peoples opinions are. I didn't know the pike topic was a sensitive area with you guys. You gotta do what you gotta do, billditrite.
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Wow! Can't control what other peoples opinions are. I didn't know the pike topic was a sensitive area with you guys. You gotta do what you gotta do, billditrite.
Kinda sucks when you lose like 50 posts an once. I lost a lot of posts today. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Kinda sucks when you lose like 50 posts an once. I lost a lot of posts today. ;D ;D ;D ;D
and how was that?
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and how was that?
They pulled a couple hot threads that I commented a few times on. - The lost trap, The trophy for Iceshanty fish, and one other one. ;D ;D ;D Happens a lot to me. ;D ;D ;D ;D I still cant believe the bass pics are still up. Those don't usually last long. ;D ;D
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I cant believe you guys are still talking about this ?? i bailed on page 3 or 4
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I still cant believe the bass pics are still up. Those don't usually last long. ;D ;D
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They pulled a couple hot threads that I commented a few times on. - The lost trap, The trophy for Iceshanty fish, and one other one. ;D ;D ;D Happens a lot to me. ;D ;D ;D ;D I still cant believe the bass pics are still up. Those don't usually last long. ;D ;D
I did try to be civil, but you know the pike are still there to be had!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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I cant believe you guys are still talking about this ?? i bailed on page 3 or 4
You came back for more though. ;D ;D ;D Or to see what you was missing? :o :o
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They pulled a couple hot threads that I commented a few times on. - The lost trap, The trophy for Iceshanty fish, and one other one. ;D ;D ;D Happens a lot to me. ;D ;D ;D ;D I still cant believe the bass pics are still up. Those don't usually last long. ;D ;D
just a matter of time i am sure :D
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Crazy Post, you guys are all fired up.
Just wondering if you guys eat those bass or dump em' for the eagles, I've never eaten bass but some say they are pretty good through the ice.
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Not my boat. One left on shore. We ate the most of these fish - so not much eagle food. These fish are a result of a bucket bio just the same as your pike. I kill every invasive PERIOD!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Read the post.
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Wow! Can't control what other peoples opinions are. I didn't know the pike topic was a sensitive area with you guys. You gotta do what you gotta do, billditrite.
you are absolutely right . I can't control anyones opinion , nor would i want to . I have my own opinions and they really are the only ones i wish to control and have a hard enough time doing that most of the time . I dont WANT to remove any threads. This thread alone i have well over an hour invested between reading every post , and decideing which ones have to go . after all that the last thing i want to do is remove the entire thread but when it has run its course and we revert to personal attack on those with a different opinion the as a moderator it is my job to "clean it up"!
there is much ground to be covered in this pike debate , and i expect there will be for many years to come. stick to the topic and the posts and never mind the personal attack on whos posting it.
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you are absolutely right . I can't control anyones opinion , nor would i want to . I have my own opinions and they really are the only ones i wish to control and have a hard enough time doing that most of the time . I dont WANT to remove any threads. This thread alone i have well over an hour invested between reading every post , and decideing which ones have to go . after all that the last thing i want to do is remove the entire thread but when it has run its course and we revert to personal attack on those with a different opinion the as a moderator it is my job to "clean it up"!
there is much ground to be covered in this pike debate , and i expect there will be for many years to come. stick to the topic and the posts and never mind the personal attack on whos posting it.
Well said Scotty!!! :thumbsup:
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You came back for more though. ;D ;D ;D Or to see what you was missing? :o :o
Ok your right ;D
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so i cant decide when i catch the trout do i throw them in the bushes or leave em for the eagles pr put em back in the water hahahahahahahahahahaha
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so i cant decide when i catch the trout do i throw them in the bushes or leave em for the eagles pr put em back in the water hahahahahahahahahahaha
prob could just dont get to throw as many eather on the ice or in the bushes when you throw trout they got a limit! not like perch or pike or the other stuff
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the banquet should be fun this year i might have to go
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prob could just dont get to throw as many eather on the ice or in the bushes when you throw trout they got a limit! not like perch or pike or the other stuff
Come on guys I thought this thread went to sleep??? ??? ???
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was talking to state biologist a couple years ago he said that we have been trained to catch and release fish over the years. like bass, pike, pickerel and such, all the aggressive fish, now they have taken over area's that would be home to trout and salmon. so at camp now whenever we catch bass they become either raccoon food & eagle food, even the few dump chickens ( seagulls ) are welcome. it's the least i can to help keep things in balance.
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was talking to state biologist a couple years ago he said that we have been trained to catch and release fish over the years. like bass, pike, pickerel and such, all the aggressive fish, now they have taken over area's that would be home to trout and salmon. so at camp now whenever we catch bass they become either raccoon food & eagle food, even the few dump chickens ( seagulls ) are welcome. it's the least i can to help keep things in balance.
Scarfish do you have any kill shot pics to post?
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If your fishing a pike pond why not let those monsters go for others to enjoy? If your on sebago and your coldwater gamefish are being over run why not put em on the ice? Just my opinion
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If your fishing a pike pond why not let those monsters go for others to enjoy? If your on sebago and your coldwater gamefish are being over run why not put em on the ice? Just my opinion
I feel the same way. I never fish "Pike Ponds"
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If your fishing a pike pond why not let those monsters go for others to enjoy? If your on sebago and your coldwater gamefish are being over run why not put em on the ice? Just my opinion
MOST PIKE PONDS USE TO BE TROUT AND SALMON PONDS!!!!!!!! :'(
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I know, that's the shame about Pike in Maine. Give it time and they will be in every body of water in the state.
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I know, that's the shame about Pike in Maine. Give it time and they will be in every body of water in the state.
Thanks for the encouragement!!!!!!! ::) ::)
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we have them in some ponds around here too that are connected to the sandy river :'(
so if we are gonna kill all the invasive fish .....shouldnt we be killing all the salmon from rangeley too :unsure: or is it only pike that hurt the lakes ???
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was talking to state biologist a couple years ago he said that we have been trained to catch and release fish over the years. like bass, pike, pickerel and such, all the aggressive fish, now they have taken over area's that would be home to trout and salmon. so at camp now whenever we catch bass they become either raccoon food & eagle food, even the few dump chickens ( seagulls ) are welcome. it's the least i can to help keep things in balance.
What irks me the most is we can only keep 1 Bass and everywhere I fish it seems they outnumber all other species combined by catch ratio.
A 4 lb Bass is common. A 4 lb Salmon is something needing to be in my dreams nowadays.... ::) ::)
It's sad when you try to categorize a time-line for invasive's when it has been ongoing over a l-o-n-g time. A Bass? A perch? A Togue in a Salmon water? A Salmon in a Togue water? At one time we were alllllllllll told they would not hurt the trout populations...
If we keep putting the big pike back in a small pond we are essentially maintaining our own personal aquarium. I feed my Oscars beef heart chunks.
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I know, that's the shame about Pike in Maine. Give it time and they will be in every body of water in the state.
I sure as hell hope not >:( If it does though a lot of lakes ponds will have a lot less fisherman on them because a lot of people could care less about catching a pike.
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I sure as hell hope not >:( If it does though a lot of lakes ponds will have a lot less fisherman on them because a lot of people could care less about catching a pike.
You obviously never fished Sabattus prior to 1980......I used to have the lake to my self W/ no access problems.......BEEN THERE LATELY???? ::) Don't try to tell me people care less about fishing for pike. :P.....LL
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\ because a LOT of people could care less about catching a pike.
a lot of people don't care about catching pike, granted a lot do, but just as many do not
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(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/newell-34/Ice%20Fishing/EagleFoodPart2.jpg)
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I was thinking other day about this debate and the whole Trout arguement end of it, then I started looking thru posts of various Trout caught.... Half of the Trout I saw were females.. If the trout population is hurting so bad, why doesn't IF&W restrict us from keeping female Brook Trout... a single male can fertilize a couple female's worth of eggs. Would this increase the population by allowing all the Females the chance to spawn? They use similar thinking on the Deer population. I know some will say that we don't need more restriction, I understand that arguement. They say kill the invasives to help the population and preserve the heritage, why not go at the problem 2 fold by saying throw back the females. I don't keep any fish, but if the populations are hurting so bad, then why not lower the bag limits to 1 fish per day or none like they have with salmon on so many lakes. If we could get more natural reproduction from the Lake Native Fish (they could have been stocked at one point, more or less the fish that live in the lake), then they can spend less on stocking and have more money to promote natural reproduction areas in lakes, create a invasive species management plan to go along with those promotions, and educate how to respect our fishery system, so that we can keep it in balance, and enjoy Fast Paced Trophy fishing on every lake in the state. I guess that just goes back to management, and what we should and shouldn't do to maintain our heritage and create a profitable Fishery for Maine, and in my opinion, include Pike and Bass in that Fishery. I have been looking at a lot of Lake Maps and half of them I have read, have some statement about Natural Reproduction Areas and how they are limiting the fish or there is no area for them to. By increasing their natural reproduction, would the trout have a better chance at competing with Pike in the Lake setting? and would that prove true for salmon too?
Another thing I have been thinking about and have talked about it a couple times with some of you guys is, Have you noticed that almost every other species you catch on Sabattus, White Perch and Bass are on average larger? You really don't see the smaller or dink fish caught, maybe it was just me. What we came up with is they gotta grow Big quickly in that lake so they don't become lunch for the Toothies, more or less they adapted to survive, or all the small fish have been picked off and only the Larger fish are left. With that being said, would they be more active eaters, in order to compete? Would this create a more active fishery? If that is true for that Lake, would it also be true for other lakes with Pike in them? Would the Trout and Salmon grow to a size that they wouldn't become lunch, adapt to their environment in a way to survive?
Do we have any biologists on here? I have been reading a lot lately and a ton of questions like this come to mind, would any of this be feasible or possible? I think gathering all the facts for both sides of the plate on this issue, would be the first step to come to a compromise on what should be done to manage our fishery. We would have to go on the fact, what's done is done, and go from now on what we should do and what is right to have the best of both worlds available in this state. Trophy Trout and Salmon Water, Trophy Bass and Pike Waters. Educate everyone that would have anything to do with our waters, on what is right and wrong, and what is needed to do, to maintain the fishery for Trophy fishing. Then by creating and maintaining these Trophy waters, we would create the needed economic stimulus this state so despratly needs. It seems like a logical solution to me, I know some don't agree, but I am pretty sure, they would not like to see their favorite lake poisoned to rid the lake of the invasives. That is what a lot of states do to manage fisheries. We live in a political country and most the time, in order to get things accomplished you need to make both sides happy. We are all intelligent people here, well most of us... :P, and we have had a ton of great ideas about this topic, let's do something about it and make this fishery what it should and can be. The only way it would work, would be in a cooperative manner, or more or less, the trout side accepts the Pike in certain restrictive waters, and the Pike side helps to promote the trout and salmon to do their part to help preserve the heritage. Then Both sides fight the Bucket Dumpers together. I think this would paint a far better picture of what it means to be a True Sportsman.
Just some thoughts I had....I'm interested to know how others think we could come to a respectful compromise on this issue, so that this issue, isn't so touchy. I know we will never make everybody happy, but there has to be a way to make the majority happy... ;D
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You make a lot of sense Lefty...
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I think I could write on this topic all night... I have to keep stopping myself from rambling on and on and just try to get my thoughts and points out in as simply as I can... or I end up writing novels....Sorry for the novel guys...Like I said before, just some thinking I had been doing about the topic... ;D for you reading enjoyment hopefully... 8)
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thank you lefty I couldn't agree more.
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Lefty it's a complicated issue. It stirs up lots of emotions whichever side your on. There is no perfect solution. Only choices that tend to be the lesser of two evils.
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Very True and without all the facts for both sides, who is to say what is right or wrong on how to handle the situation. Is the IF&W decision based on the facts 100% or is going on the fact of they weren't here before, so they shouldn't be there, kill them? I guess I haven't heard or seen that arguement from them, to me it seems to be the latter on their decision to catch them and throw em in the bushes. How do we go about getting all the facts in a nonbiased objective way?
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Lefty,more of us need to be thinking on the lines you mentioned; most of the bickering on here is getting us nowhere.(we are just spinning wheels)....{& I'm just as guilty as the next guy}......Thanks for the logically based post; Makes sense to me; "A GIANT STEP" in the right direction. LL
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i can see your reasoning for these to be out of most of your trout waters but i can also say there has to be people around who would eat these fish why not look for them....to me its just nonsense to waste .....back when i was a kid the guys on the ice here in NY would throw burbot on the ice for the seagulls to eat
so a couple yrs ago we were catching them in with our walleye and i took one home and tried it...it wasnt bad tasting firmed up like a walleye after ya cook it up...ive acually ate them a few times now...and if i dont eat them i know a few that will
some say a pike is the best eatting fresh water fish
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You obviously never fished Sabattus prior to 1980......I used to have the lake to my self W/ no access problems.......BEEN THERE LATELY???? ::) Don't try to tell me people care less about fishing for pike. :P.....LL
Thats one lake in a heavily populated area. I'm willing to bet anyone who wants to catch an easy pike within a 80 mile radius drives down there to catch one. I drive by the belgrade lakes quite a bit and I dont see an army of pike fisherman out there. I'll bet if people were catching Salmon/trout in numbers the lakes would be loaded with fisherman. Pike have their place just keep them in the warmwater ponds where they already are.
As for sabattus only having larger bass and fewer smaller ones what happens when all the big ones are gone and the pike have eaten all the smaller ones. You won't catch very many bass anymore. Then the pike will start eating each other.
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As for sabattus only having larger bass and fewer smaller ones what happens when all the big ones are gone and the pike have eaten all the smaller ones. You won't catch very many bass anymore. Then the pike will start eating each other.
That concern was the reason I became interested in pike in the first place. Like Lou, I used to fish Sabattus before the pike and had the place mostly to myself. I would have to say after all these years my concerns about the pike displacing the bass and white perch have not panned out. The Bass fishery is as robust as it ever was and I have seen 2 pound white perch this year.
Very True and without all the facts for both sides, who is to say what is right or wrong on how to handle the situation.
Lefty, I have been thinking about that one all morning. Establishing the facts is hard. I have read a ton of studies and darn near every one contradicts itself even within the same study. We have seen it right here on the shanty. I post an excerpt, Buddah will find something right from the same link to contradict what I just posted. We are both right and we are both wrong. So what do we do? First up you nailed it when you said we have to talk to each other not at each other. Listening is a big part of any conversation. Fishing is both scientific and social. The fact that socially, pike have developed a huge following needs to be addressed. Pike is becoming big business in Maine. I don't think we can ignore that. Personally I am open to trying different things on different waters. The one thing I am pretty confident about is we are on the wrong path now. We are creating a divide amongst ourselves that is going to be pretty darn hard to heal.
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Thats one lake in a heavily populated area. I'm willing to bet anyone who wants to catch an easy pike within a 80 mile radius drives down there to catch one. I drive by the belgrade lakes quite a bit and I dont see an army of pike fisherman out there. I'll bet if people were catching Salmon/trout in numbers the lakes would be loaded with fisherman. Pike have their place just keep them in the warmwater ponds where they already are.
As for sabattus only having larger bass and fewer smaller ones what happens when all the big ones are gone and the pike have eaten all the smaller ones. You won't catch very many bass anymore. Then the pike will start eating each other.
do you drive by all the lakes in the belgrade lakes everyday? could be a reason why you don't see an army of pike fishermen there. or perhaps it could be because there's so much more area to cover in the belgrade lakes then at sabbatus pond. it's nothin to round snake point and see north bay of great pond lined with traps with at least a dozen shacks in there. it's nothin to get on north pond at pine tree camps and see at least a dozen shacks with 2 times as many people fishing. should have been with us for the veterans get together on messalonskee a few weeks ago and saw just how many people drove their trucks, wheelers, and sleds on the ice from the sidney launch and headed to the south end. believe me, plenty of people like fishing for pike....just because you don't see people doing it, doesn't mean they don't exist.
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We fish pike in the winter and stripers in the warm season, but myself I would rather catch a northern pike than a brood stock brookie that looks like they dragged it to the lake, wild brookies would be a differant story, pike are fun and grow big.here they are game fish so you can only keep so many .But I don't know many that keep any under 36" .If you have them you got them ,no need to waste any fishery.BB