That is why I went with the hillsound's instead of the kahtoola's. The kahtoola's don't have a base plate. Like you said you have to try to keep them in position. Plus, without a base plate you have a concentrated pressure point in a small area. The hillsounds have a front and rear base plate that spreads out the contact pressure to a larger area and they don't shift around. Also I think the hillsounds are easier to take off and on.