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Ice Fishing Tips -Check your local regulations! => Equipment => Topic started by: sleddog1 on Jan 31, 2020, 02:53 PM
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I’ve been using a Panoptics 73cv this ice season, along with Vexilar FLX-28. Using it to locate fish. I can say it’s not the game changer I anticipated.
I’m pretty mobile, fishing from an ATV. I routinely drill 30 + holes searching. More often I cover the lake without locating any fish. I’ve used it on everything from small private ponds to large several hundred acre lakes.
What’s your experience with it?
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I have had Panoptix Livescope for over a year, there are normally always fish of some sort to be seen. There must be an issue with your adjustments, or equipment. It is a learning experience, in my case there was no one in my area that had one, so reading up and reaching out on the internet were the only options. In the last year there are countless units being used out there if you are in the US, (and you must be if you are fishing off of an ATV) if there are any in your area, try to hook up with someone to show you some pointers, or just ask online. These units are game changers.
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I do see fish on the screen & a few times have been able to move toward them & be successful. In down view I see my bait & fish approach. I like the area down view lets you see.
I’m trying to use it for locating fish, Crappie, Bluegill & Perch. It’s just not the game changer I was expecting.
I will be fishing with a friend/guide that uses Panoptics. Hopefully he’ll help me be more successful.
It only makes sense it should make locating fish easier.
Thanks for your input
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i guess i'm not understanding what you are wanting it to show you and why its not the game changer you anticipated.
panoptix will show you fish and structure from side to side when set up correctly you should be able to find fish and structure without having to drill many holes compared to the ole ground and pound lets drill out 3000 sqr ft of fish.
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i guess i'm not understanding what you are wanting it to show you and why its not the game changer you anticipated.
panoptix will show you fish and structure from side to side when set up correctly you should be able to find fish and structure without having to drill many holes compared to the ole ground and pound lets drill out 3000 sqr ft of fish.
Damn, never had to drill that much ice to find fish. If your good enough and knowledgeable enough you don't need the panoptix. It's called learning where the fish would normally be dependeding on weather conditions and time of year. Also having a contour maps helps too. If your drilling that much ice you should take up another sport or invest in the panoptix to help ya out a little or should I say A LOT ;D
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Damn, never had to drill that much ice to find fish. If your good enough and knowledgeable enough you don't need the panoptix. It's called learning where the fish would normally be dependeding on weather conditions and time of year. Also having a contour maps helps too. If your drilling that much ice you should take up another sport or invest in the panoptix to help ya out a little or should I say A LOT ;D
If you are psychic you don't need a panoptix either. But I am not and I think that they are absolutely awesome.
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side scan is a bit tricky sometimes to catch perch and other bottom hugging fish. Rotate slow, stop and watch the bottom for a few moments, usually you will see it kind of flash and fidget a bit where bottom huggers are. I found that if you rotate it around too fast while side scanning sometimes you will not notice the bottom huggers all that well. Slow the rotation down, let them have a chance to poke up enough off the bottom to see it flash n fidget. In 20ft of water you will only see out maybe 40-50ft with any level of accuracy. now fish up in the water column you should see with no problems at all but those darn bottom huggers take a bit more patience to see. Once you see the bottom do its flash n fidget a few times it will be easier to recognize that is likely a fish on the bottom. I run the 73CV with the lp22 ducer so I don't have the fancy live scan view, maybe it is easier to see them bottom huggers with it. Also when you see the bottom fidget, I sometimes kinda rock the boom back n forth in the hole to change the angle of the ducer just slightly. I have found that this will sometimes, not always, give enough difference that the bottom fidget becomes more pronounced. I think slight change to the angle let it see different cross sections and makes that flashy fidget show up more. I'm still figuring it all out and get better at detecting fish every time I go out. If you are hole hoping and do get on a school, pull out and go over to an old hole and sidescan back at where you know there are fish. This may help you start to pickup the flash fidget sign of bottom huggers.
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i guess i'm not understanding what you are wanting it to show you and why its not the game changer you anticipated.
panoptix will show you fish and structure from side to side when set up correctly you should be able to find fish and structure without having to drill many holes compared to the ole ground and pound lets drill out 3000 sqr ft of fish.
3000sqft Is not that much. Only 30'x100'
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Damn, never had to drill that much ice to find fish. If your good enough and knowledgeable enough you don't need the panoptix. It's called learning where the fish would normally be dependeding on weather conditions and time of year. Also having a contour maps helps too. If your drilling that much ice you should take up another sport or invest in the panoptix to help ya out a little or should I say A LOT ;D
And you know where a school of crappie may be swimming at any given time in a several hundred acre deep water basin that has no structure? It would be nice to be good enough and knowledgeable enough to be able to do that! For some of us mortal souls, the Panoptix is a help.
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3000sqft Is not that much. Only 30'x100'
Not that little either, lol. Most lakes I fish I have a pretty good idea where I'm goin to target them. Gotta put a little time and homework in that's all. I understand everyone has to justify why they dished the money out for that particular technology and that's totally cool. No biggie. When the day comes I have to spend that type of money because I can't catch or find fish, I'll quit fishing....but that probably ain't happening :roflmao:
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I have to say that you're the only one I've heard of being disappointed with it. I had the original panoptix and now have Livescope and can't imagine going back to the flasher. Today I put myself and my friend on top of schools of roving gills and crappies non-stop.
It makes finding cribs, brush piles, etc as simple as pie.
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I have to say that you're the only one I've heard of being disappointed with it. I had the original panoptix and now have Livescope and can't imagine going back to the flasher. Today I put myself and my friend on top of schools of roving gills and crappies non-stop.
It makes finding cribs, brush piles, etc as simple as pie.
It's funny cause I've seen guys get outfished that have the livescope by guys that have just the traditional style flashers. Yikes that embarrassing...
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It's funny cause I've seen guys get outfished that have the livescope by guys that have just the traditional style flashers. Yikes that embarrassing...
Yup, it still doesn't make the fish bite or teach someone how to jig or what presentation to use. It's a lot of fun to see fish come in though!
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And you know where a school of crappie may be swimming at any given time in a several hundred acre deep water basin that has no structure? It would be nice to be good enough and knowledgeable enough to be able to do that! For some of us mortal souls, the Panoptix is a help.
if you fish the same bodies of water for many years and do the same ole same ole everytime, you don't need to drill a lot of holes.
most of our bodies of water are unmapped, no boat access, and we try and fish new bodies of water all the time. always on the hunt so prior to panoptix we put our drills and augers through their paces each season. its what made the justification to panoptix palatable.
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Still like figuring it out on new bodies of water like the good old days, more rewarding and still catch fish. ;D
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I'll join the "livescope is not exactly what I hoped" group. It does a lot, it makes finding structure wonderful. It is very entertaining. I can easily get on gills, and crappies, but the machine doesn't make them bigger.
It also had a 500ms delay. It weighs a ton, the transducer is awkward to haul around. I built my system. For 2300 bucks, I could have booked several trips with the perch patrol, or any number of other guide services. My real fear is that a Garmin will release a significantly better system in the next year, and I'll be filled with regret.
The most frustrating thing is that it shows suspended fish very well, but the drilling spooks the fish.
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To the OP. Sounds like you are just going through the learning curve. Good deal you are going to be fishing with someone how uses one, without a doubt will help! I don’t think I will be buying one any time soon. Watched a guy get one setup in an area I could have told him held fish. Not because I know the lake but because he was setting up along a tree line along a channel. I drilled probably 15 holes in an area between the shore and where the twisting line of trees were. Had some marks and started fishing. Went from around 10 fow out to around 16 fow. Found some nice crappie at 14 fow. So the came on the ice right after me. Started drilling holes just as I decided to drop my jig. By the time I saw him drop his first bait I had almost half my limit. By the time I had my limit he was still fiddling with his unit. Maybe he was a new user and going through the curve. To the folks that have them and will never go back to a simpler unit great! Someday I hope to see one in action. To the folks who say don’t need one great! Just another tool to get the job done! An example. I tried an electric knife. Still haven’t learned how to do a good job with it. Still a good tool. Don’t mean that folks who love electric knifes can’t get the job done without one. My main deal is getting out when my back will allow it so going back to a simpler time. Does that mean I leave most of my toys at home? No! But if I can’t see pictures of the fish I have no problem with that. Some folks like the newest stuff some folks are happy with what the have. Sorry for the rambling. Season getting close to being over in most places. Get out as often as you still can and use whatever tools you got to get the fish in the grease!
Keep it safe! JDL
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It also had a 500ms delay. It weighs a ton, the transducer is awkward to haul around.
Change your tvg and interference settings to get rid of the delay. I agree on the weight, I'm betting that they'll release a head unit that doesn't need the black box in the future. I won't be an immediate upgrader, but that would be huge!
The Summit fishing pole is 100x better than the Garmin system; I'd recommend you check it out.
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To the OP. Sounds like you are just going through the learning curve. Good deal you are going to be fishing with someone how uses one, without a doubt will help! I don’t think I will be buying one any time soon. Watched a guy get one setup in an area I could have told him held fish. Not because I know the lake but because he was setting up along a tree line along a channel. I drilled probably 15 holes in an area between the shore and where the twisting line of trees were. Had some marks and started fishing. Went from around 10 fow out to around 16 fow. Found some nice crappie at 14 fow. So the came on the ice right after me. Started drilling holes just as I decided to drop my jig. By the time I saw him drop his first bait I had almost half my limit. By the time I had my limit he was still fiddling with his unit. Maybe he was a new user and going through the curve. To the folks that have them and will never go back to a simpler unit great! Someday I hope to see one in action. To the folks who say don’t need one great! Just another tool to get the job done! An example. I tried an electric knife. Still haven’t learned how to do a good job with it. Still a good tool. Don’t mean that folks who love electric knifes can’t get the job done without one. My main deal is getting out when my back will allow it so going back to a simpler time. Does that mean I leave most of my toys at home? No! But if I can’t see pictures of the fish I have no problem with that. Some folks like the newest stuff some folks are happy with what the have. Sorry for the rambling. Season getting close to being over in most places. Get out as often as you still can and use whatever tools you got to get the fish in the grease!
Keep it safe! JDL
my first experience was with a friend out on a basin. we knew that there were cribs but we'd never marked them. we fished one pond and had found them but it took almost 2 hours before we really found them. we caughta few fish scattered but just kept searching.
we went out onto another lake on the property that we knew had similar structure and found the cribs within a handful of minutes. he was pretty experienced with his unit so he knew what he was looking for.
That said i've also gone out with another gentlemen who hadn't used his much and it was quite and ordeal for him to manuver around with it. Its definitely a bulky apparatus as opposed to a flasher/lcd unit so you have to factor that in but once a system is down, fishing unmapped bodies of water with no visual cues above the water its a pretty effective machine.
The OP needs to remember that A) the effective range of side view is only 5x the depth of water you are in. and B) a 100 foot diameter circle of coverage is not that much area. you still have to homework your spots and/or drill. it just makes it easier to cover a 10k sqr ft basin
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Damn, never had to drill that much ice to find fish. If your good enough and knowledgeable enough you don't need the panoptix. It's called learning where the fish would normally be dependeding on weather conditions and time of year. Also having a contour maps helps too. If your drilling that much ice you should take up another sport or invest in the panoptix to help ya out a little or should I say A LOT ;D
Gotta kindly disagree with that statement, you make it sound like you can drill one hole and be on them, all the time, based on year and conditions.
If your that good. I'll fish with you anytime :)
Why do most guides and professional fisherman use them??
Im sure they know how to fish and they have certainly put in their time, they have their spots to hit, etc...
They use them because they work and help them produce fish for clients, which makes them generate more business. It cut down on the time wasted drilling those holes.
The technology works. It's a matter of what each person chooses to spend their money on.
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Gotta kindly disagree with that statement, you make it sound like you can drill one hole and be on them, all the time, based on year and conditions.
If your that good. I'll fish with you anytime :)
Why do most guides and professional fisherman use them??
Im sure they know how to fish and they have certainly put in their time, they have their spots to hit, etc...
They use them because they work and help them produce fish for clients, which makes them generate more business. It cut down on the time wasted drilling those holes.
The technology works. It's a matter of what each person chooses to spend their money on.
I NEVER said I can drill 'one' hole and be on fish 'all the time', lol. That would truly be amazing if anybody could do that. First of all guide services are in it to make $$$, that's a little different when part or all of your yearly income is from guiding, gotta keep your clients happy.
Without a doubt panoptix is the finest technology out there right now and I don't care one bit what people choose to spend there money on, thats all personal preference, never really said anything about that.
And as far as wasting time?!? Believe me, every second matters to me out there but I still like to actually 'hunt' for the fish and use my head a to think about where they might be. Not always easy but DEFINITELY much more rewarding. Panoptix is kinda for the lazy fishermen. Like shooting fish out of a barrel. :icefish:
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Being outdoors or fishing is never a waste of time.and if im out there and it takes a few more hours and holes to find fish so be it.i sit out all day regardless if i catch fish or not anyways because i enjoy it.guess instead of panoptix i will buy extra blades for my auger for the fish search.alot cheaper.jmo.no hate toward any panoptix users its just not my style.
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someone who tells me a piece of technology is for lazy people better do all their fishing with a hand auger, schooley rod, and nothing that uses a transducer down a hole. otherwise sounds pretty lazy.
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someone who tells me a piece of technology is for lazy people better do all their fishing with a hand auger, schooley rod, and nothing that uses a transducer down a hole. otherwise sounds pretty lazy.
Lol i still do, just not all the time. :thumbsup: I put a post on hear a while back saying how I still go out on what I call 'traditional' outings. Fishing blind, with a chiseled, not hand augered hole and fiberglass blank with two nails on the handle for my line. Most the time have modern gear out especially fishing with friends but the technology has made it MUCH easier for the average ice fishermen now, can't deny that. Don't consider myself lazy.
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Lol i still do, just not all the time. :thumbsup: I put a post on hear a while back saying how I still go out on what I call 'traditional' outings. Fishing blind, with a chiseled, not hand augered hole and fiberglass blank with two nails on the handle for my line. Most the time have modern gear out especially fishing with friends but the technology has made it MUCH easier for the average ice fishermen now, can't deny that. Don't consider myself lazy.
Not lazy...more a bleeding heart nostalgia that drives that kind of behavior. Nothing wrong with it, but it underscores the fact that actually catching fish is simply one possible byproduct of your fishing “experience.” Almost as if bringing fish home is besides the point. Nostalgia and reliving memories simply takes priority over a few filets.
Do I understand?
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Wow!
this post starts out with somebody asking for help on figuring out how to run a piece of gear and quickly descends into "Trollville". Yeah I'm F***ing LAZY. Work 60+ hrs a week, get up at 430am to drive 2hrs to haul 150-200lbs of gear out on the ice by hand so I can use my LAZY Panoptix. If you don't have something constructive to say and or real help to offer then Frankly I think you are a disgruntled Troll. Sad. I come on here to help and get help not bad mouth people and their gear. I have seen too much of this from people who respond to a post not to offer help or constructive criticism but simply to dog other people and be a Troll. Panoptix is just another tool. When used properly it can help those who don't have 30+yrs ice fishing experience to get on some fish. I have drilled one hole scanned and my next hole was on fish, it can be done. Does it happen that way everytime? Hell No. Does it make me better than you? Hell No. But if someone is asking for HELP do you dog them, call them lazy, and offer no real Help? If so then you need to take a look at your self and stop pointing fingers at others and dogging people who are asking for help.
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I see a place that has the ice package for $2307 with a rebate for another $200 available. Still a lot of money but I'm a sucker for fishing gear so I check the deals every now and then. Maybe sell my LX6 to help offset the cost. Another concern is how rapidly the technology changes. I wouldn't be surprised to see them come out with a more streamlined package (eliminate the black box) in the near future and that would be a plus.
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Wow!
this post starts out with somebody asking for help on figuring out how to run a piece of gear and quickly descends into "Trollville". Yeah I'm F***ing LAZY. Work 60+ hrs a week, get up at 430am to drive 2hrs to haul 150-200lbs of gear out on the ice by hand so I can use my LAZY Panoptix. If you don't have something constructive to say and or real help to offer then Frankly I think you are a disgruntled Troll. Sad. I come on here to help and get help not bad mouth people and their gear. I have seen too much of this from people who respond to a post not to offer help or constructive criticism but simply to dog other people and be a Troll. Panoptix is just another tool. When used properly it can help those who don't have 30+yrs ice fishing experience to get on some fish. I have drilled one hole scanned and my next hole was on fish, it can be done. Does it happen that way everytime? Hell No. Does it make me better than you? Hell No. But if someone is asking for HELP do you dog them, call them lazy, and offer no real Help? If so then you need to take a look at your self and stop pointing fingers at others and dogging people who are asking for help.
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Wow!
this post starts out with somebody asking for help on figuring out how to run a piece of gear and quickly descends into "Trollville". Yeah I'm F***ing LAZY. Work 60+ hrs a week, get up at 430am to drive 2hrs to haul 150-200lbs of gear out on the ice by hand so I can use my LAZY Panoptix. If you don't have something constructive to say and or real help to offer then Frankly I think you are a disgruntled Troll. Sad. I come on here to help and get help not bad mouth people and their gear. I have seen too much of this from people who respond to a post not to offer help or constructive criticism but simply to dog other people and be a Troll. Panoptix is just another tool. When used properly it can help those who don't have 30+yrs ice fishing experience to get on some fish. I have drilled one hole scanned and my next hole was on fish, it can be done. Does it happen that way everytime? Hell No. Does it make me better than you? Hell No. But if someone is asking for HELP do you dog them, call them lazy, and offer no real Help? If so then you need to take a look at your self and stop pointing fingers at others and dogging people who are asking for help.
Yea I work those long hours too, I'm far from lazy. A lot of people work hard. Calm down and get a grip! Just making a statement about the technology and your taking to the next level....you like your troll description I see ::)
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It's funny cause I've seen guys get outfished that have the livescope by guys that have just the traditional style flashers. Yikes that embarrassing...
Bigfoot86... this is offering help.... NOT!
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Damn, never had to drill that much ice to find fish. If your good enough and knowledgeable enough you don't need the panoptix. It's called learning where the fish would normally be dependeding on weather conditions and time of year. Also having a contour maps helps too. If your drilling that much ice you should take up another sport or invest in the panoptix to help ya out a little or should I say A LOT ;D
If you are drilling that much ice you should take up another sport..... So helpful
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Not that little either, lol. Most lakes I fish I have a pretty good idea where I'm goin to target them. Gotta put a little time and homework in that's all. I understand everyone has to justify why they dished the money out for that particular technology and that's totally cool. No biggie. When the day comes I have to spend that type of money because I can't catch or find fish, I'll quit fishing....but that probably ain't happening :roflmao:
And this is so much help to the Original Post too.....
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If you are drilling that much ice you should take up another sport..... So helpful
Alright, get over it, stop your whining....life is too short.
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Alright, get over it, stop your whining....life is too short.
Do you have anything to offer as help on this post?
If not go be a troll somewhere else, you spoil this forum for people looking for help.
I actually offered advice and help but not you, why is that? Do you not like to help? Do you have nothing to offer as far as help or is it just make fun of people. tell em to quit the sport if they suck so much they need fancy tech?
Sad, seems like you have experience, too bad you won't help people and only seem to dog them. Must suck to be you. Sorry
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I see a place that has the ice package for $2307 with a rebate for another $200 available. Still a lot of money but I'm a sucker for fishing gear so I check the deals every now and then. Maybe sell my LX6 to help offset the cost. Another concern is how rapidly the technology changes. I wouldn't be surprised to see them come out with a more streamlined package (eliminate the black box) in the near future and that would be a plus.
You can bet they will eventually consolidate the black box into the head unit, it will be more compact and weigh less. Meanwhile when people are waiting on that technology to become available (or even something better), the Livescope was here to be used today. Life is getting shorter every day, if you can afford what makes you happy, why not...then you too can be belittled by someone that is probably jealous because he doesn't have the wherewithal to buy one. ;)
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Do you have anything to offer as help on this post?
If not go be a troll somewhere else, you spoil this forum for people looking for help.
I actually offered advice and help but not you, why is that? Do you not like to help? Do you have nothing to offer as far as help or is it just make fun of people. tell em to quit the sport if they suck so much they need fancy tech?
Sad, seems like you have experience, too bad you won't help people and only seem to dog them. Must suck to be you. Sorry
Always happy to share my experience and also more than happy to take advice or learn from others. I've provided other members with any information I could give them in the past if I knew enough about what they are asking. Again putting words in my mouth, never said anybody sucked because they use high tech equipment?!? So I'm goin to be the gentleman here and let this go....you need to learn to relax and not get offended by what every person says out there
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You can bet they will eventually consolidate the black box into the head unit, it will be more compact and weigh less. Meanwhile when people are waiting on that technology to become available (or even something better), the Livescope was here to be used today. Life is getting shorter every day, if you can afford what makes you happy, why not...then you too can be belittled by someone that is probably jealous because he doesn't have the wherewithal to buy one. ;)
Yeah the deals will get better too. I bought mine in the middle of Summer. I have looked at the LS32 with the black box, but haven't seen many deals on it yet. Like I need to add weight to the Panoptix that I have, thing is a heavy beast for sure. Sounds bad but was almost hoping my battery would die so I could get a Lithium Ion one as they weigh a fair amount less than the lead acid. Still think it was a good investment. For me it has taught me a bunch about my presentation of bait, how fast or slow to jig, a bunch. And combine it with an underwater camera and wow it has taught me a bunch in a short time. Still don't slay them. But I am getting better at finding them and getting them to come in n check my lure out.
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then you too can be belittled by someone that is probably jealous because he doesn't have the wherewithal to buy one. ;)
Lol, funds are definitely not an issue here to buy one, I just don't need to spend that type of money to find and catch fish. Buy what makes you happy, not trying to belittle anyone here....jeez, people are too sensitive these days.
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Yeah the deals will get better too. I bought mine in the middle of Summer. I have looked at the LS32 with the black box, but haven't seen many deals on it yet. Like I need to add weight to the Panoptix that I have, thing is a heavy beast for sure. Sounds bad but was almost hoping my battery would die so I could get a Lithium Ion one as they weigh a fair amount less than the lead acid. Still think it was a good investment. For me it has taught me a bunch about my presentation of bait, how fast or slow to jig, a bunch. And combine it with an underwater camera and wow it has taught me a bunch in a short time. Still don't slay them. But I am getting better at finding them and getting them to come in n check my lure out.
I bought my Livescope in November of 2018. You are right on the weight with the Livescope, even with the Lithium battery, carrying it, the rod and an auger at the same time is a handful if you are by yourself tracking down fish (that is where a small sleigh to put it in would be handy), two people works better for that scenario. I carry my Livescope on the snowmobile (don't bother with a sleigh, though I do have one) and fish by myself a lot in a skid shack on my home lake. My skid shack has 4 holes in line, the Livescope sees all the holes, it is really interesting to see what bait or presentation the fish react to on any given day. I use two poles, one with a jig and minnow, one with a small tungsten jig/waxy or similar, sometimes a fish will pass through, turn up it's nose at a minnow, but hit the tungsten jig, or visa versa, sometimes it all in the presentation, with the Panoptics I have the ability to see what is going on and change things up as needed. I feel really bad about being a poor fisherman and catching more fish than I used too, but am getting over it. :)
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I feel really bad about being a poor fisherman and catching more fish than I used too, but am getting over it. :)
Don't worry, some of us are catching just as many but just paying less per fish ;D. Sorry I had to, I didn't really mean that...
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Lol, funds are definitely not an issue here to buy one, I just don't need to spend that type of money to find and catch fish. Buy what makes you happy, not trying to belittle anyone here....jeez, people are too sensitive these days.
Says he doesn't want to belittle anyone, does in the sentence beforehand... ::)
Back to the topic at hand. I made a little hole-hop rod holder to use with my Livescope setup:
(https://i.postimg.cc/RJR0MpLw/Attach94058-20200207-114025-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RJR0MpLw)
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Says he doesn't want to belittle anyone, does in the sentence beforehand... ::)
Back to the topic at hand. I made a little hole-hop rod holder to use with my Livescope setup:
(https://i.postimg.cc/RJR0MpLw/Attach94058-20200207-114025-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RJR0MpLw)
Looks nice, but it still would be cumbersome to carry my Livescope with the transducer holder set for 3 feet of ice. It is one piece and telescopes with a tripod that telescopes out as well.
Also, I just bought a third party transducer holder, should arrive tomorrow. Will keep you posted on how it works.
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Looks nice, but it still would be cumbersome to carry my Livescope with the transducer holder set for 3 feet of ice. It is one piece and telescopes with a tripod that telescopes out as well.
Also, I just bought a third party transducer holder, should arrive tomorrow. Will keep you posted on how it works.
If you got the Summit one it's awesome. I got the shorter one and like it a lot. I'm going to work on making a diy 12" extension for it. I don't see needing more than the shorter pole and that extension any time soon.
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You can bet they will eventually consolidate the black box into the head unit, it will be more compact and weigh less...
Looks like Garmin may have already done that with the EchoMAP Ultra models ...
"Built-in support for the full line of Panoptix™ sonars and the Panoptix LiveScope™ scanning sonar system, including Panoptix LiveScope LVS12 sonar"
... but still expensive of course!
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If you got the Summit one it's awesome. I got the shorter one and like it a lot. I'm going to work on making a diy 12" extension for it. I don't see needing more than the shorter pole and that extension any time soon.
Exactly the one that I got. Should make things easier.
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Looks like Garmin may have already done that with the EchoMAP Ultra models ...
"Built-in support for the full line of Panoptix™ sonars and the Panoptix LiveScope™ scanning sonar system, including Panoptix LiveScope LVS12 sonar"
Also .... "ECHOMAP Plus 70cv/70sv/90sv series combos support optional Panoptix LiveScope LVS12 sonar (no black boxes required) plus the full line of Panoptix all-seeing sonar transducers."
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Also .... "ECHOMAP Plus 70cv/70sv/90sv series combos support optional Panoptix LiveScope LVS12 sonar (no black boxes required) plus the full line of Panoptix all-seeing sonar transducers."
The LVS12 is not the livescope you want...
(https://i.postimg.cc/LXQxfjDW/2-FD43-E8-F-8058-41-A7-913-A-8112-A80414-BE.jpg)
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Thanks to those that offered explanation/help. I’ll get it figured out.
A lot (most) of our lakes are big bowls, not much structure or weeds. Trying to track down roaming fish is difficult.
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Surprise, surprise! Seems Garmin is providing some conflicting info. Apparently the EchoMAP Plus models are not compatible with the LVS12 after all, although the Ultra models are.
On the other hand the LVS12 ...
"Provides 30-degree forward and 30-degree down real-time scanning sonar views"
https://buy.garmin.com/en-CA/CA/p/636902/pn/010-02143-00#overview (https://buy.garmin.com/en-CA/CA/p/636902/pn/010-02143-00#overview)
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Says he doesn't want to belittle anyone, does in the sentence beforehand
??? If that's what u think.... ::)
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Thanks to those that offered explanation/help. I’ll get it figured out.
A lot (most) of our lakes are big bowls, not much structure or weeds. Trying to track down roaming fish is difficult.
yeah i get that. for me the tool is simply an easy way to eliminate water at a much faster clip than the old way of drilling out a spot. Its also useful for chasing roaming schools around. obviously you still have to be in the right spots initially.
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If you got the Summit one it's awesome. I got the shorter one and like it a lot. I'm going to work on making a diy 12" extension for it. I don't see needing more than the shorter pole and that extension any time soon.
Is this the set-up you have?
https://summitfishingequipment.com/collections/transducer-poles-arms-and-ice-mounts/products/transducer-pole-and-ice-mount-combo
I'm looking hard at it, and I'm would appreciate any info you have about it.
Thanks,
Mark
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Is this the set-up you have?
https://summitfishingequipment.com/collections/transducer-poles-arms-and-ice-mounts/products/transducer-pole-and-ice-mount-combo
I'm looking hard at it, and I'm would appreciate any info you have about it.
Thanks,
Mark
I did get the Summit and it worked just as expected. Kayl was justified in his recommendation.
It is SOOOO much easier to get the Livescope set up once I get to the location. Great not having to screw together all those little parts of the old Garmin stand. The tripod folds up neatly as does the directional handle on top. Great design to have the shaft "keyed" so that the handle is always pointing with the transducer. I use the D-clip that holds on the transducer to capture the cable as well. Great design.
Only 1 con or concern, in Minnesota we have some extreme cold and I had the bottom shaft freeze inside the shaft it telescopes into (both are metal). It had to get warmed/thawed out to get it extended again. Nothing fatal, but nice to know.
Great product and far easier to use than the stock Garmin one.
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I did get the Summit and it worked just as expected. Kayl was justified in his recommendation.
It is SOOOO much easier to get the Livescope set up once I get to the location. Great not having to screw together all those little parts of the old Garmin stand. The tripod folds up neatly as does the directional handle on top. Great design to have the shaft "keyed" so that the handle is always pointing with the transducer. I use the D-clip that holds on the transducer to capture the cable as well. Great design.
Only 1 con or concern, in Minnesota we have some extreme cold and I had the bottom shaft freeze inside the shaft it telescopes into (both are metal). It had to get warmed/thawed out to get it extended again. Nothing fatal, but nice to know.
Great product and far easier to use than the stock Garmin one.
Thanks!
I was able to get a contact Email by creating an account, and they answered all my questions within 5 minutes of sending the Email. I will be testing the Summit Ice mount out next week!
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Thanks!
I was able to get a contact Email by creating an account, and they answered all my questions within 5 minutes of sending the Email. I will be testing the Summit Ice mount out next week!
Like you, I just ordered an extra pole from Summit (very quick response from him), will use it when moving around and leave my home made one in the permanent shack when fishing out of it. Had the unit sent to a friend in Illinois that will bring it to me when he comes up later this week, will be interested to see how it works.
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You won’t regret it. Garmin should buy the design.
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almost everyone we met on our trip to MN this weekend became a believer. on one lake we fished among a smattering of permanents. we moved all around them and were catching fish one right after another. A guy came out of his shack and is like how are you guys doing that and showed him he waslike hot dang.
we also had people coming over to see it the entire weekend.
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It's funny cause I've seen guys get outfished that have the livescope by guys that have just the traditional style flashers. Yikes that embarrassing...
I see guys fishing on buckets with nothing more than a rod and bait, and catching limits. Unfortunately I am not that good so I like help.
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Ice fishing, even more than warm weather fishing, has a split personality. I do enjoy fishing simply, with home made gear and hand lining in fish. I have been at it long enough to remember pre- flasher/camera/lake map fishing, with rods made out of the top of busted summer rods (bamboo) and pieces of broomstick for handles. I also like trying new things, and learning new ways to catch more fish. We sure catch more than we used to, but at the same time, more people are practicing catch and release, and are trying to conserve the resource.
Every advance, even the sharing of advice and fishing reports on Ice Shanty, has some good and bad effects on the experience, and everyone has their own opinion. What I like about this forum is that people try to be polite about it.
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I love my Livescope. It has helped me catch more fish for sure. I and my friends that fish together are getting a little bit long in the tooth to be hole hopping and drilling endless holes. Some of the guys can't afford the Livescope so we find the fish and then everyone gets to catch. That's fun. For instance with panfish, crappie specifically, we know on this one lake that the schools of big fish feed almost exclusively at night. I set up where I had caught them on a previous trip, and my brother asked where I thought he should set up, I looked at my Livescope and directed him to an edge where I thought those schools might travel as they moved out of a big bay to roam the basin after dark. As dusk approached it was obvious that he definitely was in "The Spot", and the rest of us moved closer to that drop off that was funneling them. We caught a lot of fish. So we don't necessarily just use it to find fish. I've tried it and they move so much that I just can't keep up with it. So we adapted our tactics to fish for those big slabs at night when they are more aggressively searching for food, and let them come to us. For me there just isn't anything like watching those fish come in and be able to actually see them react in real time to my jigs! I have to admit I'm addicted. I guess it's a lot better than the other things I was addicted to in the good ole days!
(https://i.postimg.cc/bdg8YyZ9/IMG-3069.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bdg8YyZ9)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3waM9Rda02g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3waM9Rda02g)
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yeah for us, we are in the thick of being family men, if we can get out, we can get out for 2-3 hours at a time and spending a chunk of that time drilling out a basin can get a bit old. now we drill a few holes plunk down the panoptix as a base spot and go from there. we are also explorers and get bored fishing the same holes all the time.
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3000sqft Is not that much. Only 30'x100'
It would actually be approx 31,000sq/ft